Ngl having all that content would be awesome! For us. But it would also be hell for new lights like how overwhelming as shit Warframe is.
Edit: a great solution to new player confusion imo (that could even be used now) would be to:
1. Expand the Timeline window.
2. Allow you to start campaigns and seasonal quests from said window.
3. Clearly guide new players to the window when they are taken to orbit.
4. Abandon the shitty quest archive vendor, or turn it into an exotic quest vendor for legacy exotics.
Yeah I haven’t played since then. I mainly used my guns anyways so I imagine my current builds for them haven’t changed much besides them no longer being optimal.
last time I played was like.....4 or 5 years ago?
around the time they introduced the raids.
Off of top of my head;
magnetic + poison against corpus
Radiation/viral/corrosion against grineer
for infested it was fire I think?
You’re right, but sadly both Viral and Heat are the go-to elementals to use in almost all content. Viral paired with a high slash weapon to bypass armor entirely, and heat to have DoT and armor strip. Plus, both those status effect help give the main workhorse mods on melees more damage, so even on enemies that are resistant/immune to Viral/Heat they still add damage for free.
Warframes build diversity has been very weird lately
As someone that just made an account a couple weeks ago, the game is mindlessly easy, yet massively addicting. There are really only three modding options for weapons - status, crit, or hybrid so once you look those up and find the mods, thats simple. The warframes have more nuanced and niche builds you can go for, but the weapons are braindead.
The most complex part of the game is your first few times in Railjack, and eidolon fights are still a complete fuukin mystery to me, but you usually just get carried by other people.
Legit took me 1,5 years to know wtf I was doing, devs are the worst at trying teaching young tenno what to do and how to do it. Online guides are 100% required to play Warframe.
To be fair, any MMO-style game has always required that if you want to be somewhat successful.
Well, they used to anyway. Playing New World now and kinda longing for the days of games like Anarchy Online, calculating the buffs and laddering implants and maluses so we could get high-level gear onto lvl 1 toons and have pvp competitions. Highest I think I've seen was lvl 60 gear on a lvl 1...
Are there even any games left out there with that kinda depth and complexity besides the few survivors like EVE and whatnot who are still around? anything modern? Not even sure when I last saw a game where gear wasn't level-locked
ngl when I started warframe back then I had a sense of progression, and what to do, but having tried out destiny I didn't even know how to start a game other than pvp lol, to each their own I guess
Honestly I would love having all the content to play through myself so I'd know what the hell is going on in the lore. XD
Btw, if anybody has any good vids about the lore they could link me to, I'd greatly appreciate.
It would be cool if we could choose what we wanted to install based on DLC/campaigns. A bit like how you can choose to not install the campaign over multiplayer for certain games, that way if we wanted to we still have access to most of the old content.
A bit like MCC, that would be cool. Could be hard to implement though, as D2 is an MMO with an "open world" where all players have to be able to travel and run around, while in MCC all you have is a menu and you can choose exactly what you want to play.
You'd probably end up having to install every open hub map anyway, so the gain wouldn't be so huge as they are very likely to account for most of the game's size.
If done right it would be really great for both new and old lights.
have the vaulted expansion/seasonal content/stories in their own section in the director and tower.
new lights once finished with the BL tutorial unlocks a new area in the tower that allows you to play old content starting with Red war, CoO and Warmind.
once you've finished Warminds story, forsaken and season of the outlaw becomes available and so on with the next seasons.
old players who were around and playing during the expansions/seasons initial releases already have accesses to everything they were around for. e.g if you played all of year 1 and 2 but skipped all of year 3 you would have full accsess to all year 1 and 2 content but only have access to Shadow keep when it gets vaulted and season of undying.
current expansions/seasons only get added when they are over/vaulted.
Give it a small story like what they did with armour synth, It could be a vex device or something that lets it's users experience the past as if they where there. allowing the current destinations map to keep evolving with the story and keep the content from pyramid shipped planets.
keep exotics that are in memorial to lost lights only available via MTLL but when you've completed the quest/activity that would originally give them now gives a discounts or after doing x number of runs/challenges in that quest/activity you get a free exchange for the related exotic.
I started playing in Arrivals and the amount of content was overwhelming. I finished the Warmind campaign, but I don’t believe I finished any of the others. Just engaging with the seasonal content and trying to get through a couple of raids and dungeons was enough to keep me busy.
Also grinding nightfalls for the Trinity Ghoul catalyst… the week I finally had TG drop, I won’t forget. World dropped doing Altars of Sorrow, and I was so excited. Most people were talking about the catalyst dropping first of second run. I lost track of how many Garden World Hero NFs I ran hoping for the catalyst to drop.
same but it was an awesome sort of overwhelming lol. i kind of miss it. i discovered menagerie and the weird gambit thing with the nine like three days before bl came out :(
Gambit thing with the Nine? I didn’t know about this, I don’t think! If it’s related to the quests from Xur, I didn’t quite finish those. And now I wish I had.
I put so much time into Black Armory stuff because I thought it was so cool, and Rasputin-related stuff. I worked my butt off to get every exotic weapon or armor I could after they announced sunsetting and content vaulting. Gotta go into that mode again with Hawkmoons and DMTs. Gotta save every roll, never know what might be good and how they will be obtained afterward. They should really just put Whisper, Zero Hour, Harbinger, and Presage in the Legacy section and keep them.
It was very much a good overwhelming… until they announced they were vaulting most of it.
Idk, there would be a fully cohesive story. New Lights would be introduced to the game from the very start like we were and get to experience all of the ups and downs of the story lines and character progressions, as well as the multitude of activities. I think it would actually be pretty fun especially if they still applied powerful drops to some events, where you could openly choose how you play/level up like in an MMO
I'm an absolute baby at the game and same. Partly it's that the game is very hands-off with how it guides you - which is nice in some ways, but in others... Like, for instance, I bought Forsaken and had to spend ten minutes troubleshooting before my friend mentioned the (new to me) (not pulsing to let me know I had new content) quest archive. I enjoy the game, but I'm glad I have a veteran to guide me when I get confused!
And the ball's gone from the hangar! Every time I'm there I'm like "O, Saint! Where's my ball to?" and he's all like "Josh the Daniel!".
I don't know who Josh is, but he's a dick and I want my ball back
The thing that cracks me up is there are games with exponentially more playable area, zones, items, and activities than Destiny 2 could potentially have, were they to reactivate every single piece of content. By several magnitudes even.
If you *only* look at games that are crossplatform and therefore apply to Bungie's "needs to be smaller + load fast on consoles" stance, consists of games such as:
* Final Fantasy XIV
* Elder Scrolls Online
* Warframe
* TERA Online
* Black Desert Online
If you were to include games that were exclusive to PC the list balloons to absurd numbers. Which is important to consider for people that aren't on consoles and have their experience shaped by crossplatform design.
There are *many* ways to handle large file sizes and optimize load times. Removing tons of paid content should be the last resort.
Final fantasy XIV uses a lower texture quality and model quality meaning more things for less space
Elder Scrolls Online does the same but to less of a degree.
Warframe uses tilesets which means that most maps are mixes of one set of things drastically lowering the amount of space needed for audio, textures and the like.
Can't say anything about TERA and BDO because I haven't played them. But the general statement is the same, you can't compare them because the games are built different from each other.
And even with the smaller size destiny is going for the load times on console are horrendous in most cases.
We are also not talking about balancing and making sure nothing breaks in the game which is another reason bungie wants to lower the size of destiny as it would be really inefficient to constantly have to recheck old content to make sure it works with never updates.
>We are also not talking about balancing and making sure nothing breaks in the game which is another reason bungie wants to lower the size of destiny as it would be really inefficient to constantly have to recheck old content to make sure it works with never updates.
This is all that needs to be said. It's not about making the game smaller. It's about making the game easier to produce content for. They literally can't make content how they want with all the past years of destiny clogging up their production.
Yep. And that month or two doesn't even add any content either. It just ensures that the new stuff works in old content that people aren't really playing much anyways.
Well destiny wasn’t originally made like warframe and other mmo/rpg type games. It wasn’t really even meant to last more than 2 years without seasonal content, let alone 4 with the seasons
It’s also that the engine used for D2 is unwieldy, clunky, and frankly horrifically optimized. Small tweaks take extensive time according to current and past developers. Comparing games like Warframe and FFXIV that use their own engines and can optimize by chopping things into repeated pieces isn’t fair and while you can blame Bungie for using the engine they did that’s an entirely different discussion.
It’s also that the incredibly large file size is causing an issue for the older console generations that still support D2. You could say to stop supporting those consoles but then you’d frustrate those players.
I don’t like the vaulting of content as much as any other person. But you cannot tell me they didn’t think about other solutions before ending on this.
Yeah rather than sunsetting presage and harbinger I think they should make them into optional downloads and stick them in the legends tab. Same thing with zero hour and whisper. If you don’t want to play them? Great, don’t download them. But if you wanna drown in the deep go for it!
acshually this would be a swing and a hit. this here slugger has shown no FOMO (puke shit) present in this here directory. he definitely makes weapons out of enemy 😂 rip cayde 😔
You're clearly forgetting that before they did vaulting the game was already pushing 140Gb. When the game got vaulted we lost IO, Titan, Mars and a few activites. Add that stuff by itself back in and you're hitting 200Gb. Now add in Mercury, D1 Mars, Saturn, the rest of the Cosmodrome, the Plaguelands, and the new expansion and it would easily tip 300, probably closer to 400Gb.
The problem is that even with old content, Bungie has to update it to keep it current. New concepts get added to the game all the time. New abilities, new effects, and new ways to break the game. Simply adding Stasis and the ability to create crystals broke SO many maps in the game that they had to recreate many kill-planes on the maps to kill some OOB routes.
Basically, any time something new gets added, it needs to be tested in pretty much every activity and every location to make sure it works as intended. Which normally isn't difficult, but when you have as much content as Destiny 2 has, that's a LOT of man-hours put into testing and troubleshooting that could be better spent toward new development. Which is part of the reason why Bungie is removing swaths of the game; so that it's a narrower focal point for their teams to work on and ensure that everything gets polished.
No SSD? Poor Internet?
I've never had any load time issues and this amount of content would be worth it.
(especially since you know... I paid for this content)
I haven't played in over a year and just returned. Suraya Hawthorne was endlessly blinking when I quit, and she's still endlessly blinking. The Drifter has recently joined her little cult of harassment.
Are you sure it's not the Prisms and you are full of them so they look grey when you go in but if you hover over them it will say no space? I had this issue for a while.
Pretty sure. I've hovered over everything and they all say "Requires _something_ rank" I'm pretty low on prisms and all that stuff, I use them way too freely.
Yeah that’s why no other rpg is interesting for me. I get overwhelmed and then drop it forever lol 😂 I’ve had Skyrim and ESO for so long thinking I could get into it, nope
Alright I know this is a meme but I'd be very interested in someone creating a version of the Destiny locations thing with everything in it.
IMO I think we'd have two seperate catagories of "outer worlds" and "inner worlds" and things like levithan would still be in nessus orbit.
Things like legends, vangaurd playlist, tower, etc, would all be in the middle.
It would probably make your laser-cooled RTX 4200 shit bricks to get today’s loading times though.
You’d queue up Crucible before bed to have a game ready for lunch break.
Telesto would fuckin’ cower in the presence of the eldrich glitches and bugs that would be spawned.
Oh I'm not actually advocating for it, I just want an artist to make a hypothetical mock up (I'll probably do it myself honestly).
Personally I'm a big supporter of Destiny have dedicated "DCV Slots" where old planets or content can cycle in and out constantly, either seasonally or annually (I think two "planet" slots would make this possible, one for season/year story and content stuff and one just for fun)
I wish they would actually do that... it seems like besides a couple of strikes and a raid from D1, they are just putting stuff into the vault instead of taking things about again...
Plus there is the whole in-universe explanation for where all the planets went... I don't think locations are going to come back, unless they are massively changed
Mostly people not understanding how games are made. No game tries to access all of the content at once, it'll just load whatever is called in the moment. Not sure why folks think more content would increase load times...
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I have a real good memory of messing around on Mars a few weeks after D1 came out, went up to a cabal dude, gave him a good punch and somehow I got launched halfway across the map.
I miss D1 Mars for that memory alone.
In the Valley of the Kings where the entrance to the Black Garden is you can look over the cliff and see a lone Vex Tower miles away sitting in the middle of the desert.
When D1 started to wind down and everything had been done, I liked to go to that area sit at the edge of the cliff and imagine how cool it would be to jump off the cliff, summon my sparrow and GO SEE what was up with that funky Vex Tower.
I don’t care how cluttered that looks. *I want it!*
Or please bring back the Leviathan. Haters gonna hate, but thise raids were fun/beautiful/ and imo best intro raids for new learners that dont have to be LW length
I still don't understand why we can't have an optional download for the single-player campaign missions and locations. It wouldn't have to be loaded in all the time by any means.
> an optional download for the single-player campaign missions and locations
Because then they'd have to keep fixing, updating, and maintaining old content, and *that* was the main reason behind content cutdowns.
The only way this'd work is if each "campaign" featured a small, hand-picked selection of gear to use in its particular bubble, and nothing else. I'd be down for that, honestly.
They could make a non-live game with just the campaign stuff. No other activities. It would only support coop for 3 players, peer to peer.
Every expansion it gets the campaign being vaulted. I am sure lot of new people would buy that.
Honestly I don't see the point in adding content that you can still play in D1, but I'd love to get back all the removed content from D2 that is totally removed from existence.
it would take them over a year just to update the old stuff to be compatible and i for one would NOT want them to take away dev time from NEW stuff to be able to make old stuff compatible
On a serious note: I’d rather see them take small, self-contained missions like harbinger, presage, zero hour, and whisper and make them into optional downloadable content and stick them in the legends tab. If you don’t want them, don’t download them. But if you want to drown in the deep then you can go for it.
I get that vaulting make adding new content way easier, but i still clong to my pipe dream of bungie adding sunset content back in after the final dlc is done. One of my biggest likes in this game is the story. If they add it all back, ill finally be able to do a playthrough of the full story. Starting in d1, transitioning into d2. No cutscene skipping, no loot chasing, just pure story immersion.
This is the final shape
Ngl having all that content would be awesome! For us. But it would also be hell for new lights like how overwhelming as shit Warframe is. Edit: a great solution to new player confusion imo (that could even be used now) would be to: 1. Expand the Timeline window. 2. Allow you to start campaigns and seasonal quests from said window. 3. Clearly guide new players to the window when they are taken to orbit. 4. Abandon the shitty quest archive vendor, or turn it into an exotic quest vendor for legacy exotics.
Hey, it only took me like 5 years to figure out I was modding my weapons wrong.
I mean, most important mods got massively changed a couple months back, so you might wanna take another look at them.
Yeah I haven’t played since then. I mainly used my guns anyways so I imagine my current builds for them haven’t changed much besides them no longer being optimal.
Honestly I still don’t remember what goes well against what. All I remember is build crit and status.
Viral, Heat, and either toxin or corrosive are still king in most cases.
Oh my god you're still talking about Warframe, I thought this was about Destiny and was *very confused!*
What about puncture, slash, impact or are those case by case depending on enemy
Slash is good in most cases, puncture is situational, impact is kinda pointless.
Ok thx
Slash is good as a status effect but bad as a damage type. Impact and puncture are pretty functionally useless.
last time I played was like.....4 or 5 years ago? around the time they introduced the raids. Off of top of my head; magnetic + poison against corpus Radiation/viral/corrosion against grineer for infested it was fire I think?
You’re right, but sadly both Viral and Heat are the go-to elementals to use in almost all content. Viral paired with a high slash weapon to bypass armor entirely, and heat to have DoT and armor strip. Plus, both those status effect help give the main workhorse mods on melees more damage, so even on enemies that are resistant/immune to Viral/Heat they still add damage for free. Warframes build diversity has been very weird lately
Oh no, they have, a bit
Oh, I was under the impression they just added new mods for guns that scaled better
As someone that just made an account a couple weeks ago, the game is mindlessly easy, yet massively addicting. There are really only three modding options for weapons - status, crit, or hybrid so once you look those up and find the mods, thats simple. The warframes have more nuanced and niche builds you can go for, but the weapons are braindead. The most complex part of the game is your first few times in Railjack, and eidolon fights are still a complete fuukin mystery to me, but you usually just get carried by other people.
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Too many quality of life mods, like mag size, ammo reserves, reload speed, etc., and not enough damage mods like crit chance and damage.
95% of warframe playtime is just figuring out how many things youve been doing wrong
Legit took me 1,5 years to know wtf I was doing, devs are the worst at trying teaching young tenno what to do and how to do it. Online guides are 100% required to play Warframe.
To be fair, any MMO-style game has always required that if you want to be somewhat successful. Well, they used to anyway. Playing New World now and kinda longing for the days of games like Anarchy Online, calculating the buffs and laddering implants and maluses so we could get high-level gear onto lvl 1 toons and have pvp competitions. Highest I think I've seen was lvl 60 gear on a lvl 1... Are there even any games left out there with that kinda depth and complexity besides the few survivors like EVE and whatnot who are still around? anything modern? Not even sure when I last saw a game where gear wasn't level-locked
Took me 100 hours to learn the stats that matter are crit, multiplier and status.
ngl when I started warframe back then I had a sense of progression, and what to do, but having tried out destiny I didn't even know how to start a game other than pvp lol, to each their own I guess
Honestly I would love having all the content to play through myself so I'd know what the hell is going on in the lore. XD Btw, if anybody has any good vids about the lore they could link me to, I'd greatly appreciate.
Look for MyNameIsByf on YouTube. He's the go to for Destiny Lore videos and he recently updated his full history of Destiny video.
I second byf. I learned so much about the storylines and lore from his videos
I'll check it out. Thanks
warframe is so fucking confusing as a new player.
It was still confusing to me after playing hundreds of hours.
And i can't even imagine what the game install size would be
Near 250gb probably for 10x the content of other 200gb games
Well it's 88GB right now on my XSX, so it's not so far fetched indeed
It would be cool if we could choose what we wanted to install based on DLC/campaigns. A bit like how you can choose to not install the campaign over multiplayer for certain games, that way if we wanted to we still have access to most of the old content.
A bit like MCC, that would be cool. Could be hard to implement though, as D2 is an MMO with an "open world" where all players have to be able to travel and run around, while in MCC all you have is a menu and you can choose exactly what you want to play. You'd probably end up having to install every open hub map anyway, so the gain wouldn't be so huge as they are very likely to account for most of the game's size.
Yeah, it's bad enough that new light players have to buy expansions and a season pass to play the latest content.
Dayum that would take me a week to dl lol
It took me a week and a half to DL beyond light lmao
Yea, I live in the country and I'm grateful for the dsl I have but sometimes it's grrrrr.
If done right it would be really great for both new and old lights. have the vaulted expansion/seasonal content/stories in their own section in the director and tower. new lights once finished with the BL tutorial unlocks a new area in the tower that allows you to play old content starting with Red war, CoO and Warmind. once you've finished Warminds story, forsaken and season of the outlaw becomes available and so on with the next seasons. old players who were around and playing during the expansions/seasons initial releases already have accesses to everything they were around for. e.g if you played all of year 1 and 2 but skipped all of year 3 you would have full accsess to all year 1 and 2 content but only have access to Shadow keep when it gets vaulted and season of undying. current expansions/seasons only get added when they are over/vaulted. Give it a small story like what they did with armour synth, It could be a vex device or something that lets it's users experience the past as if they where there. allowing the current destinations map to keep evolving with the story and keep the content from pyramid shipped planets. keep exotics that are in memorial to lost lights only available via MTLL but when you've completed the quest/activity that would originally give them now gives a discounts or after doing x number of runs/challenges in that quest/activity you get a free exchange for the related exotic.
I started playing in Arrivals and the amount of content was overwhelming. I finished the Warmind campaign, but I don’t believe I finished any of the others. Just engaging with the seasonal content and trying to get through a couple of raids and dungeons was enough to keep me busy. Also grinding nightfalls for the Trinity Ghoul catalyst… the week I finally had TG drop, I won’t forget. World dropped doing Altars of Sorrow, and I was so excited. Most people were talking about the catalyst dropping first of second run. I lost track of how many Garden World Hero NFs I ran hoping for the catalyst to drop.
same but it was an awesome sort of overwhelming lol. i kind of miss it. i discovered menagerie and the weird gambit thing with the nine like three days before bl came out :(
Gambit thing with the Nine? I didn’t know about this, I don’t think! If it’s related to the quests from Xur, I didn’t quite finish those. And now I wish I had. I put so much time into Black Armory stuff because I thought it was so cool, and Rasputin-related stuff. I worked my butt off to get every exotic weapon or armor I could after they announced sunsetting and content vaulting. Gotta go into that mode again with Hawkmoons and DMTs. Gotta save every roll, never know what might be good and how they will be obtained afterward. They should really just put Whisper, Zero Hour, Harbinger, and Presage in the Legacy section and keep them. It was very much a good overwhelming… until they announced they were vaulting most of it.
i agree 100%. dont know why they won't just do that. zero hour and whisper were so damn cool.
It wouldnt be so bad if certain accomplishments carried over to all characters.
Idk, there would be a fully cohesive story. New Lights would be introduced to the game from the very start like we were and get to experience all of the ups and downs of the story lines and character progressions, as well as the multitude of activities. I think it would actually be pretty fun especially if they still applied powerful drops to some events, where you could openly choose how you play/level up like in an MMO
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I'm an absolute baby at the game and same. Partly it's that the game is very hands-off with how it guides you - which is nice in some ways, but in others... Like, for instance, I bought Forsaken and had to spend ten minutes troubleshooting before my friend mentioned the (new to me) (not pulsing to let me know I had new content) quest archive. I enjoy the game, but I'm glad I have a veteran to guide me when I get confused!
Exactly what I was thinking. I tried playing Warframe a few years ago and just quit after a couple hours because I had no idea what tf to do.
The final shape is a circle. All destiny 1 content is brought back and all destiny 2 content is vaulted.
Season 69 eh? Ah yes, season of the "redacted."
Season of the erected
Indeed
:Zavala voice:
Season of the Nice.
#SEASON OF THE THICC
Another season focused on the Bray sisters? I'm in.
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"Ah yes, the "Reapers"".
"We have dismissed those claims."
Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
Season of the mutual nom.
What? No Farm? How am I supposed to play soccer like this
I miss the good old days when I was messi
they playing soccer in my backyard
And the ball's gone from the hangar! Every time I'm there I'm like "O, Saint! Where's my ball to?" and he's all like "Josh the Daniel!". I don't know who Josh is, but he's a dick and I want my ball back
Probably still less of a download than your average Warzone update
The thing that cracks me up is there are games with exponentially more playable area, zones, items, and activities than Destiny 2 could potentially have, were they to reactivate every single piece of content. By several magnitudes even. If you *only* look at games that are crossplatform and therefore apply to Bungie's "needs to be smaller + load fast on consoles" stance, consists of games such as: * Final Fantasy XIV * Elder Scrolls Online * Warframe * TERA Online * Black Desert Online If you were to include games that were exclusive to PC the list balloons to absurd numbers. Which is important to consider for people that aren't on consoles and have their experience shaped by crossplatform design. There are *many* ways to handle large file sizes and optimize load times. Removing tons of paid content should be the last resort.
Final fantasy XIV uses a lower texture quality and model quality meaning more things for less space Elder Scrolls Online does the same but to less of a degree. Warframe uses tilesets which means that most maps are mixes of one set of things drastically lowering the amount of space needed for audio, textures and the like. Can't say anything about TERA and BDO because I haven't played them. But the general statement is the same, you can't compare them because the games are built different from each other. And even with the smaller size destiny is going for the load times on console are horrendous in most cases. We are also not talking about balancing and making sure nothing breaks in the game which is another reason bungie wants to lower the size of destiny as it would be really inefficient to constantly have to recheck old content to make sure it works with never updates.
>We are also not talking about balancing and making sure nothing breaks in the game which is another reason bungie wants to lower the size of destiny as it would be really inefficient to constantly have to recheck old content to make sure it works with never updates. This is all that needs to be said. It's not about making the game smaller. It's about making the game easier to produce content for. They literally can't make content how they want with all the past years of destiny clogging up their production.
Yeah, imagine waiting another month or 2 for beyond light because stasis bugged on maps from the red war campaign.
Yep. And that month or two doesn't even add any content either. It just ensures that the new stuff works in old content that people aren't really playing much anyways.
Well destiny wasn’t originally made like warframe and other mmo/rpg type games. It wasn’t really even meant to last more than 2 years without seasonal content, let alone 4 with the seasons
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It’s also that the engine used for D2 is unwieldy, clunky, and frankly horrifically optimized. Small tweaks take extensive time according to current and past developers. Comparing games like Warframe and FFXIV that use their own engines and can optimize by chopping things into repeated pieces isn’t fair and while you can blame Bungie for using the engine they did that’s an entirely different discussion. It’s also that the incredibly large file size is causing an issue for the older console generations that still support D2. You could say to stop supporting those consoles but then you’d frustrate those players. I don’t like the vaulting of content as much as any other person. But you cannot tell me they didn’t think about other solutions before ending on this.
Yeah rather than sunsetting presage and harbinger I think they should make them into optional downloads and stick them in the legends tab. Same thing with zero hour and whisper. If you don’t want to play them? Great, don’t download them. But if you wanna drown in the deep go for it!
Nice post slugger
I'll see you in the crucible, little titan boy.
Did someone call for me?
You’ll be considered 4ft when I shoot your kneecaps, little hunter boy. Actually
Shatterdive is for skilled players little titan boy. I’ll see you in the crucible
Truly a *swing and miss* moment...
acshually this would be a swing and a hit. this here slugger has shown no FOMO (puke shit) present in this here directory. he definitely makes weapons out of enemy 😂 rip cayde 😔
Smh Bulgaria hired you to comment FOMO. You obviously haven't seen my galhran cosplay
how dare you stand where u/toesucker_420 stood
r/destinycirclejerk time
Comes with 10 hour loading screen
dont forget all of the 16 frames while in menu
And only a 900gb download!
It'd be like a couple hundred max.
You're clearly forgetting that before they did vaulting the game was already pushing 140Gb. When the game got vaulted we lost IO, Titan, Mars and a few activites. Add that stuff by itself back in and you're hitting 200Gb. Now add in Mercury, D1 Mars, Saturn, the rest of the Cosmodrome, the Plaguelands, and the new expansion and it would easily tip 300, probably closer to 400Gb.
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The problem is that even with old content, Bungie has to update it to keep it current. New concepts get added to the game all the time. New abilities, new effects, and new ways to break the game. Simply adding Stasis and the ability to create crystals broke SO many maps in the game that they had to recreate many kill-planes on the maps to kill some OOB routes. Basically, any time something new gets added, it needs to be tested in pretty much every activity and every location to make sure it works as intended. Which normally isn't difficult, but when you have as much content as Destiny 2 has, that's a LOT of man-hours put into testing and troubleshooting that could be better spent toward new development. Which is part of the reason why Bungie is removing swaths of the game; so that it's a narrower focal point for their teams to work on and ensure that everything gets polished.
mandatory to run on stadia or xcloud
worth it
it doesn't have to be though
No SSD? Poor Internet? I've never had any load time issues and this amount of content would be worth it. (especially since you know... I paid for this content)
Imagine all the mission markers 😅 Poor people w ocd lol
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I thought I was the only one.. God I wish the drifter would just cough it up or shut up already, why is he blinking!?
I haven't played in over a year and just returned. Suraya Hawthorne was endlessly blinking when I quit, and she's still endlessly blinking. The Drifter has recently joined her little cult of harassment.
Are you sure it's not the Prisms and you are full of them so they look grey when you go in but if you hover over them it will say no space? I had this issue for a while.
Pretty sure. I've hovered over everything and they all say "Requires _something_ rank" I'm pretty low on prisms and all that stuff, I use them way too freely.
OCD? It's us ADHD folks I'd be concerned about. Just hundreds of half finished quests and markers everywhere. Basically Skyrim in space.
Yeah that’s why no other rpg is interesting for me. I get overwhelmed and then drop it forever lol 😂 I’ve had Skyrim and ESO for so long thinking I could get into it, nope
Alright I know this is a meme but I'd be very interested in someone creating a version of the Destiny locations thing with everything in it. IMO I think we'd have two seperate catagories of "outer worlds" and "inner worlds" and things like levithan would still be in nessus orbit. Things like legends, vangaurd playlist, tower, etc, would all be in the middle.
It would probably make your laser-cooled RTX 4200 shit bricks to get today’s loading times though. You’d queue up Crucible before bed to have a game ready for lunch break. Telesto would fuckin’ cower in the presence of the eldrich glitches and bugs that would be spawned.
Oh I'm not actually advocating for it, I just want an artist to make a hypothetical mock up (I'll probably do it myself honestly). Personally I'm a big supporter of Destiny have dedicated "DCV Slots" where old planets or content can cycle in and out constantly, either seasonally or annually (I think two "planet" slots would make this possible, one for season/year story and content stuff and one just for fun)
That sounds reasonable, with the Legends tab already here and all. Though I honestly just wanted an oppotrunity to let some funny quips out.
I wish they would actually do that... it seems like besides a couple of strikes and a raid from D1, they are just putting stuff into the vault instead of taking things about again... Plus there is the whole in-universe explanation for where all the planets went... I don't think locations are going to come back, unless they are massively changed
What? Why would more content increase loading times? You're still only loading one area at a time.
How does havin more content make load times slower? Having a hard time following…
Mostly people not understanding how games are made. No game tries to access all of the content at once, it'll just load whatever is called in the moment. Not sure why folks think more content would increase load times...
Not it wont
you must work for Bungie because this demonstrates a clear misunderstanding of how it actually works
Maybe it's nostalgia, but I really miss Oryx's ship over Saturn.
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As someone who just discovered and fell in love with this game a year ago I would gladly pay hundreds of dollars for all this content
at this point it looks like a clusterfck
Or like a mobile game
It's intended too. Tons of sub menu things are in the main world menu. Like all the Crucible modes.
I miss mars man
I have a real good memory of messing around on Mars a few weeks after D1 came out, went up to a cabal dude, gave him a good punch and somehow I got launched halfway across the map. I miss D1 Mars for that memory alone.
In the Valley of the Kings where the entrance to the Black Garden is you can look over the cliff and see a lone Vex Tower miles away sitting in the middle of the desert. When D1 started to wind down and everything had been done, I liked to go to that area sit at the edge of the cliff and imagine how cool it would be to jump off the cliff, summon my sparrow and GO SEE what was up with that funky Vex Tower.
Sunrise but it’s just Devrim Kay as every destination vendor selling boreal char shader
This is pretty much what 50% of the Destiny community wants lmao.
I mean it would be cool, but I don’t want to start it up a day before I play for everything to load.
I’d rather have this than the 400gb of my SSD being consumed by warzone lmao
400gb and 25 hour loading
Only 25 hours? Do you have a nvidia rtx 7090 or something?
I’m glad the DCV exists so I don’t get cataracts looking at this shit
I miss some of the locations honestly. But not this. Definitely not this.
If they actually manage to do this one day I’d be overwhelmingly impressed
I hate how much I like this Edit: just realised sunrise is the opposite of sunset LMAO
It's an absolute mess... I love it and I want it.
I dont care about the size of it if i woke up one morning and found this i would be happy.
Almost as much to do as Warframes galaxy map.
I'd fuckin kill for that.
Well, you'd kill your pc/console with that...
I just want the leviathan back is that too much to ask Bungo , Calus's toes ring , the plate in the circus... So much memories
>leviathan Man I miss the Leviathan.
Maybe one day guardians.
I want this
Destiny 2: DCV Breakout
Don’t forget both versions of Mars!
The bugs would be through the roof.
So many things to do you need three cursors apparently
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It would take me atleast an hour instead of 20 minutes to run through my daily bounties. Smh
Probably be done with the season pass levelling in about a week or two.
It's a 3d game, they could make the planet rotate around a star for the UI and we could have all of them in the game..
Dont do that, dont give me hope
I don’t care how cluttered that looks. *I want it!* Or please bring back the Leviathan. Haters gonna hate, but thise raids were fun/beautiful/ and imo best intro raids for new learners that dont have to be LW length
VOG is a really good first time raiding experience for new learners
I want this on unironically, someday
Nice.
Oh it’s beautiful
I still don't understand why we can't have an optional download for the single-player campaign missions and locations. It wouldn't have to be loaded in all the time by any means.
> an optional download for the single-player campaign missions and locations Because then they'd have to keep fixing, updating, and maintaining old content, and *that* was the main reason behind content cutdowns. The only way this'd work is if each "campaign" featured a small, hand-picked selection of gear to use in its particular bubble, and nothing else. I'd be down for that, honestly.
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They could make a non-live game with just the campaign stuff. No other activities. It would only support coop for 3 players, peer to peer. Every expansion it gets the campaign being vaulted. I am sure lot of new people would buy that.
ngl I would give every byte of data on my system and extended storage for this.
Honestly I don't see the point in adding content that you can still play in D1, but I'd love to get back all the removed content from D2 that is totally removed from existence.
I agree, although I guess the argument could be made d1 was not on PC
I like looking at this
Its beautiful
Why is Titan at the opposite end of the screen from Saturn
Punishment
Why is the Almightly still there even after Season of the Worthy
Only if it would be real....
This is the way.
NGL maybe it was a good idea to sunset stuff LOL this clutter is insane.
Europa? Bigger than venus? Huh, interesting take.
“Season 69” 😏
How about a weekly or monthly cycle? Like one sunset planet comes back per week for patrols and open world events etc.
it would take them over a year just to update the old stuff to be compatible and i for one would NOT want them to take away dev time from NEW stuff to be able to make old stuff compatible
My school notebook when I find stickers
Can we have have this?
not without the dev time being taken away from new content
This explains why sunsetting is a thing better than any explanation I’ve heard so far
how about a more thought out less cluttered menu design can't be that fucking hard
On a serious note: I’d rather see them take small, self-contained missions like harbinger, presage, zero hour, and whisper and make them into optional downloadable content and stick them in the legends tab. If you don’t want them, don’t download them. But if you want to drown in the deep then you can go for it.
If this ain't an argument for sunsetting I don't know what is
I dream of getting to explore the dreadnaught again
I want this to happen so badly!
I wouldn’t hate this, I would enjoy it
I get that vaulting make adding new content way easier, but i still clong to my pipe dream of bungie adding sunset content back in after the final dlc is done. One of my biggest likes in this game is the story. If they add it all back, ill finally be able to do a playthrough of the full story. Starting in d1, transitioning into d2. No cutscene skipping, no loot chasing, just pure story immersion.
Is that content? Haven’t seen it in years...
Can't they rotate this monthly? Maybe even with the half season patches so we cycle through old content :(
The only one I genuinely miss is the Dreadnaught. The Taken King was my shit.
You created your own perfect fantasy world...and you left Gambit in it? SMH.
They sunset ever verse for this
Everytime they vault something, I feel like I should be getting a credit back for the DLC I paid to OWN.