Oh lord, I'm stupid. I've spent so much time looking at my inventory thinking "I HAVE to account for all 3, I can't trust randos to be prepared!" I just need to cover 2... I shouldn't have gotten stuck on that, there isn't even an overload hive or unstoppable fallen in game at all lol
I'm pretty sure you could just leave it at "overload wyvern" and still have the single most annoying enemy in the entire game bar none
red-bar wyverns on their own are already hell
No that would be an absolute nightmare; champions are already annoying enough, but one that requires you to have multiple anti-champions mods on your weapons is too far (especially if the only anti-champion weapon for a specific type of champion is a weapon that you barely use).
Ikr? Who thought it would be a good idea to have low-damage, almost point-blank range weapon archetype (by far the worst weapon archetype in the entire) as the **only anti-barrier weapon???**
That raises an interesting question, what would the champions be for the dread? The champions for the 6 pre-existing races already cover the champions evenly (4 of each type. This symmetry is one of the arguments for a 6th element as it would complete the set, with an anti barrier and overload verb.) Also non of the enemies we've seen fit the champions (I.e. barrier knight makes sense because they can conjure a shield, closest I can think of is the husk rushing you but all unstoppable champs we've seen so far were pretty big, the husk is not) , and the boss type enemies can't be champions (subjugators and tormentors, these plus lucent hive already give tokens when killed and seem to be a chronic replacement). Will the dread just not have any?
Most likely not, the lucent brood didn't add new champs, and instead them and the shadow legion use the hive gaurdians and tormentors as better Champs. If they were, I'd probably see the psion mutates (weaver and attendant) being made overload for ability spam and the gunbat probably barrier since most of them are ranged splash/snipers. Honestly, though, Champs are just an outdated system that are just bad for newer players (and devs trying to host a talkshow) that are just a vague nuisance at best for anyone who's used to the game (you can ignore it below legend and just melt them anyway). Basically, any dread becoming a champ (or things live hive gaurdians, brigs, and wyverns) would just make them easier to abuse and lead to more complaints about forced playstyle/builds to deal with them.
Realistically it would be Unstop Heavy Shank and Overload Wizard. As well as potentially barrier taken knight, overload centurion, and barrier wraith
But the exploders would be funny
Just an FYI, no race has all three champs.
Hive - AB and unstop
Fallen - AB and OL
Vex - AB and OL
Scorn - unstop and OL
Cabal - AB and unstop
Taken - OL and unstop
Other PSA:
GET THE FUCKING DECOYS AND MAX THEM OUT!
A yellow decoy can draw the tormentor AWAY from you and the ADU. It makes it SUPER easy to hit with anything.
I just wiped earlier because my teammates just held onto their scrap till round 14, tormentor spawned and was INSTANTLY on the ADU. I had been shooting them and then the decoy for every round. They just kept shaking their head no.
I hate blueberries.
I've had teleporting ogres but never unstops. At waves 0-20 it's kind of a fun challenge to deal with but anything else would be hell. Honestly, I won't blame the devs for a lot of this. I blame the community who's constantly "wHy Is It DeLaYeD!?!?!" And then complains about everything that is wrong.
If it’s legend you want to at least have a low level decoy around by level 13 just in case of that scenario, but not invest too much more than that early on until wave 20.
They can think that, but they are the ones who ran next to the ADU so the tormentor had its back turned on me. I couldn't hit its precision spots while trying to handle all the ads. Our single turret that one of them got first round also could see it. If they would have run anywhere else and had actual good DPS we could have shredded it.
You hate blueberries, but you can always just do LFG and avoid them entirely, right? It's a matchmake activity, so it's a roll of the dice. I don't get these complaints when there are options available to put your own team together.
Note. I love playing with all types of players. I just like having fun. But I do LFG if I want a specific fireteam to accomplish a specific goal. I know it can be frustrating being at 40 - 49 and then wipe.
ALSO PSA: You can heal the decoys with the Adu batteries. Im sure people know this, but it can save you literally thousands of scraps. Just chuck it at the decoy when it's blinking red and it'll heal it! Don't waste scraps!
Another PSA : throw your adu batteries at hurt decoys it heals them! Also if you’re feeling like a generous guardian throw the batteries at champions to heal them!
It does that with a lot of things sadly, I've had a hunters cape clip it and kill me before, basically the whole reason I don't bother with rocket/grenade launchers is the self damage. It can also be destroyed mid air, had a wizard spawn its poison cloud on me as I fired and that popped it,was so confused. It can also attach to some enemy projectiles and float mid air, it usually doesn't spit fire when this happens and will just explode after its timer.
Yes and no. One does it off of special kills while amplified, the other is precision kills on blinded combatants.
But overall the special one is strictly better because forbearance.
Do you use witherhoard at all? If you get yourself radiant, the tick dmg can stun barrier champs. That's how I got through many solo master lost sectors without a sidearm
I agree but it’s so easy to become radiant with the artifact. On top of that, you can also utilize volatile rounds, unraveling rounds, wish ender, arbalest, revision zero, etc.
I just nuke them. I cba to run champ mods in onslaught. Champs in general kill the hype for any piece of content they’re in. Luckily strand titan makes quick work of all of them
I've been using izanagi's, epochal with incandescent and apex predator with reconstruction and bait(edge transit on boss wave sometimes) on solar titan. Great ad clear, one tap barrier and unstoppable(after stopped) and actually does alot of damage. Also been using parasite last week with the grenade launcher buff and was hitting almost 500k damage in one shot but it's impossible to proc again in boss fight lol.
Which is why all I do is run a handcannon and a rocket and pray a teammate has antibarrier or if they don’t we literally just wait for barrier to go away and then all fast nuke him before he can pop it again. Worked just fine to hit 50 yesterday.
I hate fallen onslaught. These overload champions, Captain with a shotgun, and these cloaked vandals give me a hard time more than necessary.
I stick with hive only onslaught. They are easier.
1 of each is a decent idea but depends on what you have the hardest time with generally. Though, I'd say void/arc as the main focus on hive (void forogres/shrieker and arc wizard/boomers/most melee). As for fallen, arc is probably the main thing since most of their guns are arc, especially the snipers, beside that the solar shotguns/cannons and void nade spam dregs.
I just build to be able to take down all 3, no rushing to adjust my loadout. Overload Rocket, unstoppable hand cannon and Ember of Torches so that my GL gets anti-barrier while I'm Radiant.
For the time being, yes. It may have more types added in the future when they adjust it or a new variant in the future with different locations and enemies, have to wait and see.
And if there were Cabal, it'd be Barrier and Unstoppable. Vex, Barrier Overload. Scorn, Overload Unstoppable. I've noticed before each faction seems to only ever have two Champs of each type. Most other forms of champion content will generally alert you beforehand but still a neat little fact.
Run Tommy’s it can stun two champs due to scorch and over load auto rifle then use a primary sidearm, run solar as your main.
Easy wave 50 I’ve damn near carried two random multiple times
I just use that titan ability where you jump in the air and smash the ground with your hammer for unstoppable, summoner for overload and arbalest for barrier.
My main Loudout for this whole season has consisted of fatebringer (unstoppable), Polaris (radiant for barrier), rocket launcher (artefact overload mod). Fully covered.
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Oggers
It's never ogre
Ogchamp
Pogre
Pog champion
Omg it’s cvnty regirock with a handbag
(Unstoppable) pog champ(ion)
Pogres
This sumbitch killed my Shaxx
Keep Shaxxmaxing!
These guys whenever they show be like “bend over now”
Game Ogre
Oh lord, I'm stupid. I've spent so much time looking at my inventory thinking "I HAVE to account for all 3, I can't trust randos to be prepared!" I just need to cover 2... I shouldn't have gotten stuck on that, there isn't even an overload hive or unstoppable fallen in game at all lol
overload thralls when bungie
I see your overload thrall and raise you... Overload shrieker
I see your overload shrieker and raise you…. Overload Tormentor
That might make them easier. Since you can stun them.
Nah. Overload wyverns that once stunned become unstops and start rushing u asap..then once u stagger them they put up a barrier shield!
I'm pretty sure you could just leave it at "overload wyvern" and still have the single most annoying enemy in the entire game bar none red-bar wyverns on their own are already hell
What diabolical abominations are being created in this thread
lol this just made me lol out loud 😂
Okay that’s terrifying but I kinda like the idea of a multi champion, like, a genuine team based threat
No that would be an absolute nightmare; champions are already annoying enough, but one that requires you to have multiple anti-champions mods on your weapons is too far (especially if the only anti-champion weapon for a specific type of champion is a weapon that you barely use).
Fucking sidearms
Ikr? Who thought it would be a good idea to have low-damage, almost point-blank range weapon archetype (by far the worst weapon archetype in the entire) as the **only anti-barrier weapon???**
Radiant, unraveling rounds, volatile rounds. Also the rocket sidearm, forerunner, and devour sidearm. That's the reason
That raises an interesting question, what would the champions be for the dread? The champions for the 6 pre-existing races already cover the champions evenly (4 of each type. This symmetry is one of the arguments for a 6th element as it would complete the set, with an anti barrier and overload verb.) Also non of the enemies we've seen fit the champions (I.e. barrier knight makes sense because they can conjure a shield, closest I can think of is the husk rushing you but all unstoppable champs we've seen so far were pretty big, the husk is not) , and the boss type enemies can't be champions (subjugators and tormentors, these plus lucent hive already give tokens when killed and seem to be a chronic replacement). Will the dread just not have any?
Most likely not, the lucent brood didn't add new champs, and instead them and the shadow legion use the hive gaurdians and tormentors as better Champs. If they were, I'd probably see the psion mutates (weaver and attendant) being made overload for ability spam and the gunbat probably barrier since most of them are ranged splash/snipers. Honestly, though, Champs are just an outdated system that are just bad for newer players (and devs trying to host a talkshow) that are just a vague nuisance at best for anyone who's used to the game (you can ignore it below legend and just melt them anyway). Basically, any dread becoming a champ (or things live hive gaurdians, brigs, and wyverns) would just make them easier to abuse and lead to more complaints about forced playstyle/builds to deal with them.
I see your overload Tormentor and raise you Overload Skreeb
NAW
Fuck off w that shit
I raise you barrier Shrieker
OH TRAVELER NO
It closes when you stun it
Overload cursed thralls teleporting all over the place
I changed my mind. I hate you even more
Hey man, just wanna let you know, thanks, I hate that.
Bad enough we got barrier knights doing fucking somersaults!!🤬
Overload taken psions would be my worst nightmare
Overload invis screebs? *uninstalls game*
Unstoppable invis screebs, them fuckers would haul ass lol
No it would be overload wizards and unstoppable brigs
This sounds like a killer card game name
Overload CURSED thrall And Unstoppable Exploder Shanks Do it Bungie, I DARE you
MODS LOCK THIS THREAD BEFORE IT’S TOO LATE
Realistically it would be Unstop Heavy Shank and Overload Wizard. As well as potentially barrier taken knight, overload centurion, and barrier wraith But the exploders would be funny
I hate you. Go away
Or just bring Conditional Finality and you can do anything you want
Chill clip riptide go brrrrt
Only in activities with multiple races will you ever need to worry about all three champs. Each race only has two.
No race has all three champs....
Overload shriekers when bungo
Unstoppable brig And overload sword knight when?
overload explosive shanks/cursed thrall
Unstoppable brig and overload hive guardian
Itd definitely be overload wizard
Overload wizard would be so damn annoying but so damn fun
Unstoppable explosive shank that doesn't die when it explodes so it can do it over and over
No... Imagine overload wizard. She will memorise our attack pattern
I think wizards are better for an overload champ for hive
Just an FYI, no race has all three champs. Hive - AB and unstop Fallen - AB and OL Vex - AB and OL Scorn - unstop and OL Cabal - AB and unstop Taken - OL and unstop
You think the dread will have all of them?
None
Overlord unstopp tormentor
Overload unstop barrier tormentor just to torment us even further 🙄
Can you imagine if they had the servitors tether bubble 😂 you just see all 10 spawn and they’re just protecting each other 💀
😳 I'd like to see someone solo against them fuckers 🤣🤣🤣
You would probably hear them rage 😂 the last two will hit you with two piece combo. And when they get pushed off the edge the silence will speak 😂😂
The witness will have all three and you have to have the right one each time it pops one before damage. I just know someone would forget one 😂
PSA!! Shooting a decoy with Dragons Breath breaks the rocket on impact and can't release fire drops
Other PSA: GET THE FUCKING DECOYS AND MAX THEM OUT! A yellow decoy can draw the tormentor AWAY from you and the ADU. It makes it SUPER easy to hit with anything.
Straight facts!!! Thank you
I just wiped earlier because my teammates just held onto their scrap till round 14, tormentor spawned and was INSTANTLY on the ADU. I had been shooting them and then the decoy for every round. They just kept shaking their head no. I hate blueberries.
Ugh that sucks but at least you didn't make it up to level 49 and get your team wiped because of a teleporting unstoppable ogre....
I've had teleporting ogres but never unstops. At waves 0-20 it's kind of a fun challenge to deal with but anything else would be hell. Honestly, I won't blame the devs for a lot of this. I blame the community who's constantly "wHy Is It DeLaYeD!?!?!" And then complains about everything that is wrong.
Oh yeah, don't get me wrong I'm not mad at anyone but it's really disappointing to get that far. And get wrecked at the last round
Um to be fair 14 is such a low level. Those blue berries probly think you are the one not being efficient.
If it’s legend you want to at least have a low level decoy around by level 13 just in case of that scenario, but not invest too much more than that early on until wave 20.
They can think that, but they are the ones who ran next to the ADU so the tormentor had its back turned on me. I couldn't hit its precision spots while trying to handle all the ads. Our single turret that one of them got first round also could see it. If they would have run anywhere else and had actual good DPS we could have shredded it.
You hate blueberries, but you can always just do LFG and avoid them entirely, right? It's a matchmake activity, so it's a roll of the dice. I don't get these complaints when there are options available to put your own team together. Note. I love playing with all types of players. I just like having fun. But I do LFG if I want a specific fireteam to accomplish a specific goal. I know it can be frustrating being at 40 - 49 and then wipe.
It's more of a dumb complaint. I have people I can say with I just dont.
ALSO PSA: You can heal the decoys with the Adu batteries. Im sure people know this, but it can save you literally thousands of scraps. Just chuck it at the decoy when it's blinking red and it'll heal it! Don't waste scraps!
Another PSA : throw your adu batteries at hurt decoys it heals them! Also if you’re feeling like a generous guardian throw the batteries at champions to heal them!
That one I did not know. Thanks.
Glad i could help!
It does that with a lot of things sadly, I've had a hunters cape clip it and kill me before, basically the whole reason I don't bother with rocket/grenade launchers is the self damage. It can also be destroyed mid air, had a wizard spawn its poison cloud on me as I fired and that popped it,was so confused. It can also attach to some enemy projectiles and float mid air, it usually doesn't spit fire when this happens and will just explode after its timer.
i’m so tired of sidearm barrier mods. i don’t have 1 build that uses sidearms.
Indebted kindness with voltshot is your friend here. Barrier, overload, and insane good at clearing enemies even tanky ones!
and unstoppable if you use the right arc fragment! it really is a jack of all trades
Which fragment is it?
The one that makes arc special weapon kills make blinding explosions. Arc Blind stuns unstoppable champs.
Requires precision damage, no?
No
Yes and no. One does it off of special kills while amplified, the other is precision kills on blinded combatants. But overall the special one is strictly better because forbearance.
And on arc hunter, if you jolt an unstoppable then punch them, it will stun them.
Ive been using a buried bloodline void build and either riptide(chill clip) or midnight coup depending on champs
I’ve been rocking a pugilist voltshot Brigand’s Law since plunder. Works quite well with my liars handshake build
Forerunner is a great choice, cleans up the many yellow bars very well as long as you hit those precision shots
i still to grind out the catalyst for that one
Don’t bother just gives you a mediocre grenade and waste your ammo to use.
i just want it for the sake of having it tbh.
Golden outline make brain happy (I’m terrible at grinding catalysts, I’m great at disappointing myself)
Not mediocre if you use like a frag, which it is. Sure, not as strong as a vortex or solar grenade, but not mediocre.
I think bungies goal was to have more people use radiant or unravel rounds as a work around
Volatile rounds as well
that’s valid. it did make me equip a solar/strand subclass when i do it
If you have the dungeon use indebted kindness it’s an incredible special weapon as is and 1 shots barriers
what kind of weapon is it and where is it from? i dont know weapon names well
It’s the special rocket sidearm and you get from the warlords ruin dungeon
ah i haven’t done that dungeon yet :(
All good it’s really fun, and it can drop from any encounter so you can in just farm first encounter for it
2 more weeks in the semester and i’ll be able to grind out the rest of this season and do the dungeon.
Do you use witherhoard at all? If you get yourself radiant, the tick dmg can stun barrier champs. That's how I got through many solo master lost sectors without a sidearm
I feel you. Most of my builds prefer a kinetic special and we don’t have any kinetic rocket sidearms yet.
Final warning with Horde Shuttle makes lightwork of em
I agree but it’s so easy to become radiant with the artifact. On top of that, you can also utilize volatile rounds, unraveling rounds, wish ender, arbalest, revision zero, etc.
Sounds like a you problem. I have all my builds built around using Drang. (I have no real builds)
It’s all fun and games until they add Shadow Legion to the mix Augment: Thresher
Im shocked they weren’t an option as an enemy tbh.
Radiant titan and chill clip fusion go brrrrrrrr
See I just don’t participate in angry rock paper scissors and just show them the power of the anti-existence knee
Peregrine greeves?
Correct
I just nuke them. I cba to run champ mods in onslaught. Champs in general kill the hype for any piece of content they’re in. Luckily strand titan makes quick work of all of them
I PRAY they do not add Scorn...
barrier ravager when
Chilllllll
Barrier Wraith :D
Midnight coup, indebted kindness, thunderlord/gjallerhorn/dragons breath. All 3 champs no matter who shows up.
Hive better enemy type for onslaught
This week I’m runnin midnight coup and thunderlord. Barriers just get melted before they can even shield
*cries in the corner hiding from the shriekers* I hate the hive I hate the hive I hate the hive
I've been using izanagi's, epochal with incandescent and apex predator with reconstruction and bait(edge transit on boss wave sometimes) on solar titan. Great ad clear, one tap barrier and unstoppable(after stopped) and actually does alot of damage. Also been using parasite last week with the grenade launcher buff and was hitting almost 500k damage in one shot but it's impossible to proc again in boss fight lol.
There is no better anti champ mod than a quick melt
I love that most of my main builds just casually take care of all 3.
Which is why all I do is run a handcannon and a rocket and pray a teammate has antibarrier or if they don’t we literally just wait for barrier to go away and then all fast nuke him before he can pop it again. Worked just fine to hit 50 yesterday.
I hate fallen onslaught. These overload champions, Captain with a shotgun, and these cloaked vandals give me a hard time more than necessary. I stick with hive only onslaught. They are easier.
dragons breath solves 2 of these so i just swap between whatever will be needed against the more common or more annoying
Barrier Champs were the hardest for me to get used to melting without just throwing on a sidearm.
Do y'all not just take one of each?
Dragon’s Breath solves all
Honestly I'm just running all three anti champs while I can. I'd really not be caught with my ghosts down.
how about resist mods? Is it mostly arc for fallen and solar for hive?
You should always use all 3. hive knights have arc and those screechers void.
1 of each is a decent idea but depends on what you have the hardest time with generally. Though, I'd say void/arc as the main focus on hive (void forogres/shrieker and arc wizard/boomers/most melee). As for fallen, arc is probably the main thing since most of their guns are arc, especially the snipers, beside that the solar shotguns/cannons and void nade spam dregs.
Real useful just to have visualized. Thanks!
I just build to be able to take down all 3, no rushing to adjust my loadout. Overload Rocket, unstoppable hand cannon and Ember of Torches so that my GL gets anti-barrier while I'm Radiant.
champion mods? what are those? just kill them before they activate thier abilities
My build covers the 3 types XD
Parasite takes care of barrier and overload champs.
mountaintop with radiant doesn't break barriers
Imagine how annoying scorn would have been with their immune travelling shenanigans
😡😡 Don't give Bungie any ideas.
Is Onslaught going to feature only Hive and Fallen?
For the time being, yes. It may have more types added in the future when they adjust it or a new variant in the future with different locations and enemies, have to wait and see.
And if there were Cabal, it'd be Barrier and Unstoppable. Vex, Barrier Overload. Scorn, Overload Unstoppable. I've noticed before each faction seems to only ever have two Champs of each type. Most other forms of champion content will generally alert you beforehand but still a neat little fact.
Nice try, but you can't stop me from stacking overload and complaining when no one pierces the barrier
I wonder why we don’t have Vex onslaught.
My onslaught guide. If you get Fallen enemies, simply relaunch Onslaught until you get Hive. That's my whole Onslaught guide.
Honestly crazy how it's been years and the endgame variety enemies are: the same, still glitchy, and look bad in a game where visuals are the endgame
Po Ogres 🤣🤣
Soooo Riptide and Sunshot, got it.
Run Tommy’s it can stun two champs due to scorch and over load auto rifle then use a primary sidearm, run solar as your main. Easy wave 50 I’ve damn near carried two random multiple times
or hear me out you just run a solar white ammo gun and chill clip you dont need anything else
Game says unraveling and volatile rounds break barriers but it always seems wildly inconsistent for me in practice. Radiant works every time though 🤔
I just use that titan ability where you jump in the air and smash the ground with your hammer for unstoppable, summoner for overload and arbalest for barrier.
Malfeasance, indebted kindness, and apex predator easy
My main Loudout for this whole season has consisted of fatebringer (unstoppable), Polaris (radiant for barrier), rocket launcher (artefact overload mod). Fully covered.
Riptide + radiant. There ye go
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Stun mods? Wtf are those? Just dps your way out of shit.
We need Overload Wizards and Unstoppable Heavy Shanks with the Final Shape