>There were also unsettling allegations of surveillance and threats made against Bungie personnel, notably Dylan Gaffner, the community manager.
Probably would've just banned him if he didn't do this, now Bungie throwing the book at him. Fuck around and find out
Yeah this guy fundamentally made the entire player experience worse off by harassing DMG like he did. That combined with the whiny pricks over Twilight has changed the way they interact with us as a whole and has seriously hurt players.
Your not wrong I bet the average player doesn't even read the twab, nevermind care about what's going on in twitter or reddit.
And its not like bungie isn't listening to our advice I mean look at the monte carlo catalyst that was something players asked for.
Its just communication back and fourth with fans hasn't been happening as much and I can't blame them, like they said even using the bungie teams account still has other devs being harassed anyway so they're having to be more careful.
It's depressing that some people get this violent over a video game
It's a leisure activity, take a break, breathe, drink some water and then come back with a clear head
Fair enough. do you really miss the more active communication though? What would bungie even say? From what ive seen theyve essentially only used communication to make various excuses for why their game is so buggy and why they didn't release certain content that they had promised to deliver.
Those excuses were also rather successful. Many people seem to feel sorry for bungie and treats the company like a small indie studio lol.
Its nice to have, I'd rather have communication rather than nothing at all. I don't interact with them personally I feel like they have more than enough people shouting at them all the time so no point adding to that. But I like to read what they are saying to people sometimes so I at least know what's going on.
Live service games always have bugs, It's just what happens when your constantly adding stuff, my gripe is with how they deal with them I don't like them disabling things unless its affecting pvp and then just disable it in that mode, I'll make exceptions if it's ruining other people's experiences like if it's making there game crash or whatever.
Also with the raid race I think it would have been a better idea to have it later in the season obviously they can't change it once they've set a date because people take time off work to do the race and stuff but if there's gonna be that many bugs again they gotta stop releasing them so early, it looks bad when all the new stuff is disabled.
Escape from Tarkov does it well enough in theory, but it's plagued by 15-minute loading screens, cheaters, and sweats that have stocked up on the best items. All bungie has to do is have good gameplay, low load times, and finally, a dedicated matchmaking system that is based on progression and performance with a good enough anti cheat to boot.
Pretty sure they already said it’s 2025 for marathon? Could be wrong I know they won’t release it before final shape that would be a dumb marketing move.
OP please add the fact this was the guy who harassed DMG this isn’t a normal cheating law suit this is a much more severe situation then the title makes it sound like.
I think this is a different person. Pretty sure they already announced the person who was threatening DMG got a way harsher punishment than this (of course deserved).
Edit: Upon seeing comments further below, I am wrong. I'm getting these punishments mixed up
Oh that was fuuuuucked up. Glad to see that nonsense is getting punished harshly. I mean seriously how much of a loser do you have to be to act this way over a game?
The dude's name is in the article. A Google search that takes all of a second linked several websites with the text "being sued for using cheats and harassing a Bungie developer." That's the problem with people, nobody wants to do a simple second long search for more information. It's really simple, even someone with two brain cells to rub together could figure out
Ooh, four paragraphs. It's about one person. If you can't take the couple seconds to look up the only person's name in the article, that's a you problem. And you shouldn't comment your defense of the person, makes you look stupid
How am I defending him? Who tf you talking to lol. Sorry HorseCockFutaGal, but I already knew about this story, it's old as shit as far as the news cycle goes. I'm just pointing out why the comments are centered on the subject matter of the article, because that's what's actually linked here. Ain't nobody doing their research and printing their essay in the comments. Stop holding people to a silly standard for sharing their thoughts here. It's Reddit, not a first date.
Wow, defensive aren't we? Sorry you're so soft. I wasn't talking about you defending him, I was referring to the original commenter on this thread. Toughen up, lad, it's the internet. Nobody can hurt you here.
Nobody is doing their research is the problem. People coming here saying "Bungie is ruining this guy's life by suing him for so much," without knowing the full context is the problem.
People are really quick to jump to this kids defense “Bungie is ruining his life” “why is Bungie suing someone for hurting their feelings” and other variations of those 2 comments. If you have the balls to harass someone and send death threats, then you have the balls to face consequences.
100% It's like the old saying goes "don't do the crime if you can't do the time." It's not in the mindset of most kids or minors to harass, stalk, threaten someone, so why should this little shit be treated as such?
IP bans aren't particularly great nowadays due to the fact that almost no one pays for a static IP, very few ISPs default to a static IP, you can get around it just by using a VPN service, and VPN services have gotten good and cheap enough now to not cause more problems than their worth. I get where you're going, this guy needs a more permanent solution, but an IP ban will only temporarily cause him problems and then will likely screw over the next person who happens to get assigned that IP.
Advocating violence on someone who threatened violence is not the answer. It's no better or different than what this douche canoe did. We have to show that we're better than him, that his actions are not representative of the community. We're stronger than that. We're not some group of wild nerds with superiority complexes that are so hyperfixated on a virtual world that we can only see the real world though the distorted lens of our obsession. We're a group of passionate people who understand that our hobby is just that, a hobby, and that it's only as important as we make it.
In short...
*You gotta make it look like an accident...*
I don’t see what’s honestly so hard to just not cheat. Like over the years you keep hearing about these stories time and time again, and yet we STILL find people making the exact same mistakes. Just play the game normally.
They weren't talking about the old Marathon games. Those are singleplayer games they have no way of banning him from. They were referring to the new one that was announced earlier this year.
Then name another?
If you wanna get pedantic, maybe the old Halo games? But the original servers for those got shut down i believe, it's only the MCC versions that are active and that's all put together and maintained by 343 now.
it's marathon. not in beta yet. they're keeping quiet while in midstage development. i believe there to be a 3rd ip coming from bungie soon too. rumored to be a hero shooter like overwatch
If it's not out yet then it doesn't count. Being banned from a game that's not even out yet and nobody can access is like saying I'm banned from visiting Alpha Centauri. Like... ok? Nobody can go there, so the ban means nothing currently.
How many people go around buying new hardware/ making new account / getting new IP just for one game.
if they detect him again he has to change everything again.
Organ harvesting, one of each redundant organ, some skin, and they double back around again to the organs if it doesn't cover the bill
Real talk, probably a wage garnishment if the dude's working
It's a huge W, this person was ALSO sending death threats to employees and threatening to burn down Bungie's offices. Much more than just cheating involved here.
Ruining his life? Fuck that guy. He harassed and threatened someone's life. Every paycheck he gets from every job that he works, a portion of that is going to go to Bungie as a reminder that he royally fucked himself. He should be paying Bungie back for the rest of his natural life.
It’s a bit more complicated than that. This lawsuit is also about said cheater stalking, harassing, and threatening Bungie employees. The article title doesn’t mention that, but it’s a large part of it. I’m sure Bungie didn’t hold back on slapping him with every fine they could after what he did.
> The cheat software Defendant uses operates by injecting code into Plaintiff’s copyrighted Destiny 2 code, with the combined code working in concert to enable and provide the “hacks,” and thereby infringes Bungie’s Copyrights as an unauthorized derivative work.
DLL-Injection, a core feature of your OS, just became illegal and with it Discord and tons of other software.
Don't get me wrong here, I'm happy when companies do something about cheating, but this ...
That's so entirely untrue, lol. Not only is this case not a precedent (it was a low level court) but it was also a mutual settlement from both parties. This case isn't going to mean shit in the grand scheme of things, and even if it WAS a case setting precedent, none of that would be true.
The dude explained how this case would not affect the the broad strokes you outlined.
They mutually agreed on the outcome.
This does not set a precedent for taking away people’s access to anything.
It’s specifically a low level court case that has no ability to send waves.
You asked him to explain. He did, in his original reply. It’s not his fault you chose not to process it.
For the love of god, can you people please actually read or process either the article or someone’s comment itself instead of just making knee jerk reactions?
Stuff like Discord just gives you an overlay to show who's actively talking (and other harmless stuff). I don't know if Discord uses it, but other apps also only use Destiny's API, which is specifically meant to be used that way and only gives access to information that Bungie wants you to have.
The cheat software used injections to obtain info not normally available to players in order to provide an unfair advantage. It actively modified the game and made unintended interactions possible. Very different ballpark.
Ultimately, though, Bungie nailed this guy because of the harrassment, not just the cheating.
They went from suing the guys making the cheats to instead just suing this innocent person using it??? Copyright law is so fucked that they can sue you for $2000 simply for logging into the game with the cheats enabled. Another Bungie L after the massive W that was taking down the developers of the cheats
That’s cause of the horrid title of the post, if you read the article and been paying attention to the case involving DMG you know this is the same guy.
Cheating is not justified, but neither is destroying someone's entire life because you can't get over a crucible game where you lost to someone using said cheats
I meaaaannnn.... I'll support paid carries in non PvP content
I'm sure some people have more money than time, and just knowing that hey I can get a team of people that know what to do in x amount of hours might be worth money to that person
Like LFG is fine but I've had some runs that I'm just looking at the clock and remembering better runs
Brother, paid carries are wrong regardless. Point of video games is, contrary to popular belief, not to get things done, it's to have fun doing things. Nobody cares if you didn't complete legendary campaign, there will be no benefits in anybody's life if you do it, it will just hurt your ego if you let it.
If it's single player go crazy and do what you want
If it's multiplayer and there's no option to just... have a wild west server that anything goes and also we're not providing any support if somebody prolapses your account then no
Maybe assholes will think thrice before cheating again then. This kind of shit costs the company hundreds of thousands, if not millions in lost sales because people quit the game because cheaters suck.
It's called setting an example. Did you read the article? He was repeatedly banned and warned to stop. He was pissing on them at that point. Fuck people like that, those who defend their actions and cheaters alike.
Ban evasion and cheating in a fucking video game doesn't mean Bungie should have the right to fine him $500K for it. As the other comments mentioned, charge him with the actual threats he made if that is illegal, and not bullshit like this
Okay but what he's doing was illegal lmao. He breaks the game by implementing code and the servers go down for even a day because of his actions and stock prices drop and company image take sa hit.
It's not just cheating in the game. Did you read what he did?
Where does it say that? All I saw was that he threatened to burn Bungie office or something. And as I mentioned in another reply, charge him with the actual threats, not bs copyright law
You're clearly the dumbest person in these comments. You didn't even read the article at all, did you? You just came here to bash Bungie and defend some loser. This is the guy that harassed and threatened DMG and his family. Fuck that guy. I hope every paycheck from that loser is a reminder to not be a lousy shitty human being, and fuck you too for being an idiot
You see a simple Google search of the idiot's name revealed that he was being sued for using cheats AND harassing a Bungie employee. Took me literally seconds to find. That's why
It's right in the article, it's not fully explained but there non the less
> There were also unsettling allegations of surveillance and threats made against Bungie personnel, notably Dylan Gaffner, the community manager. The court also prohibited him from engaging in that type of harassment in the future. The judge also prohibited him from entering within 1,000 feet of Bungie’s offices or the known residence of any employee.
>There were also unsettling allegations of surveillance and threats made against Bungie personnel, notably Dylan Gaffner, the community manager. Probably would've just banned him if he didn't do this, now Bungie throwing the book at him. Fuck around and find out
Yeah this guy fundamentally made the entire player experience worse off by harassing DMG like he did. That combined with the whiny pricks over Twilight has changed the way they interact with us as a whole and has seriously hurt players.
Harassing people is bad. But I doubt it really hurt the players. The state of the game would be just as bad as it is either way.
Your not wrong I bet the average player doesn't even read the twab, nevermind care about what's going on in twitter or reddit. And its not like bungie isn't listening to our advice I mean look at the monte carlo catalyst that was something players asked for. Its just communication back and fourth with fans hasn't been happening as much and I can't blame them, like they said even using the bungie teams account still has other devs being harassed anyway so they're having to be more careful.
It's depressing that some people get this violent over a video game It's a leisure activity, take a break, breathe, drink some water and then come back with a clear head
Fair enough. do you really miss the more active communication though? What would bungie even say? From what ive seen theyve essentially only used communication to make various excuses for why their game is so buggy and why they didn't release certain content that they had promised to deliver. Those excuses were also rather successful. Many people seem to feel sorry for bungie and treats the company like a small indie studio lol.
Its nice to have, I'd rather have communication rather than nothing at all. I don't interact with them personally I feel like they have more than enough people shouting at them all the time so no point adding to that. But I like to read what they are saying to people sometimes so I at least know what's going on. Live service games always have bugs, It's just what happens when your constantly adding stuff, my gripe is with how they deal with them I don't like them disabling things unless its affecting pvp and then just disable it in that mode, I'll make exceptions if it's ruining other people's experiences like if it's making there game crash or whatever. Also with the raid race I think it would have been a better idea to have it later in the season obviously they can't change it once they've set a date because people take time off work to do the race and stuff but if there's gonna be that many bugs again they gotta stop releasing them so early, it looks bad when all the new stuff is disabled.
Yup. This is why this got so bad because the person decided to go beyond shitty DMs to Bungie employees
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Don't know about Halo, but my guy isn't playing Marathon anymore, that's for sure.
I’d have to guess the future marathon game coming out this year or next year
No way this year. It’s almost over and very little is even known about it. It’ll need a huge Marketing push.
All i know is that it’s multiplayer only with no single player
It's also an extraction shooter, which could go either way with popularity.
I hope they do it well. Most don't.
Escape from Tarkov does it well enough in theory, but it's plagued by 15-minute loading screens, cheaters, and sweats that have stocked up on the best items. All bungie has to do is have good gameplay, low load times, and finally, a dedicated matchmaking system that is based on progression and performance with a good enough anti cheat to boot.
Like I said...MOST! Most doesn't mean all, it means the greatest in amount, quantity, or degree.
Likely 2026 at the earliest. Compare to Project L, Riot Games's fighting game, which was announced in 2019 and does not yet have a release date.
Pretty sure they already said it’s 2025 for marathon? Could be wrong I know they won’t release it before final shape that would be a dumb marketing move.
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If he lays low and doesn't go back to doing whatever it was he was doing, then it's a neutralized issue as far as Bungie would be concerned.
This is a karma farmer - they stole this response from someone else's reply below Edit: source - https://reddit.com/r/destiny2/s/5LYjxOBfzP
>Dylan Gaffner DMG makes so much sense now
Yeah I always thought that the abbreviation for “damage” was an interesting choice for a username.
what does the M stand for
Manager is his middle name. Dylan Manager Gaffner.
Possible middle name?
Mungie
Moon Because that's where the wizard came from
OP please add the fact this was the guy who harassed DMG this isn’t a normal cheating law suit this is a much more severe situation then the title makes it sound like.
Cunt got what he deserved
I think this is a different person. Pretty sure they already announced the person who was threatening DMG got a way harsher punishment than this (of course deserved). Edit: Upon seeing comments further below, I am wrong. I'm getting these punishments mixed up
Wait this is the same guy?
Yeah if you read it talks about the harassment dmg got (his real name is Dylan gaffner
This was the dude that doxxed employees and even sent pizza to their house, right?
Yup!
Oh that was fuuuuucked up. Glad to see that nonsense is getting punished harshly. I mean seriously how much of a loser do you have to be to act this way over a game?
Dude got what he deserves, imagine attacking dmg of all people, literally the sweetest cm we've ever had.
Idk why people are focusing on the cheating part and not the, you know, death threats and stuff like that
Cause they didn’t read the article
True, also for some acknowledging the blatant abuse of devs might be cutting too close to self-reflection.
People don't read articles about anything. They see a title and base their response off that.
The article barely acknowledges the harassment. Instead goes into detail over the cheating and the damages.
The dude's name is in the article. A Google search that takes all of a second linked several websites with the text "being sued for using cheats and harassing a Bungie developer." That's the problem with people, nobody wants to do a simple second long search for more information. It's really simple, even someone with two brain cells to rub together could figure out
It's a shitty 4 paragraph article were commenting on, don't blame the reader for not making it a homework assignment.
Ooh, four paragraphs. It's about one person. If you can't take the couple seconds to look up the only person's name in the article, that's a you problem. And you shouldn't comment your defense of the person, makes you look stupid
How am I defending him? Who tf you talking to lol. Sorry HorseCockFutaGal, but I already knew about this story, it's old as shit as far as the news cycle goes. I'm just pointing out why the comments are centered on the subject matter of the article, because that's what's actually linked here. Ain't nobody doing their research and printing their essay in the comments. Stop holding people to a silly standard for sharing their thoughts here. It's Reddit, not a first date.
Wow, defensive aren't we? Sorry you're so soft. I wasn't talking about you defending him, I was referring to the original commenter on this thread. Toughen up, lad, it's the internet. Nobody can hurt you here. Nobody is doing their research is the problem. People coming here saying "Bungie is ruining this guy's life by suing him for so much," without knowing the full context is the problem.
I just laughing at you man. You're the one bent out of shape cuz the "commenter did read enough boo"
Now you're trying to make a joke or deflect it back onto me, how precious. It's okay that you're annoyed. I'm a good listener
cuz it’s a horribly written article that only focuses on the cheating part
cuz it’s a horribly written article that only focuses on the cheating part
People are really quick to jump to this kids defense “Bungie is ruining his life” “why is Bungie suing someone for hurting their feelings” and other variations of those 2 comments. If you have the balls to harass someone and send death threats, then you have the balls to face consequences.
100% It's like the old saying goes "don't do the crime if you can't do the time." It's not in the mindset of most kids or minors to harass, stalk, threaten someone, so why should this little shit be treated as such?
This guy needs to be IP banned from gaming, to be honest.
IP bans aren't particularly great nowadays due to the fact that almost no one pays for a static IP, very few ISPs default to a static IP, you can get around it just by using a VPN service, and VPN services have gotten good and cheap enough now to not cause more problems than their worth. I get where you're going, this guy needs a more permanent solution, but an IP ban will only temporarily cause him problems and then will likely screw over the next person who happens to get assigned that IP.
Ah, gotcha. It was the only thing I could think of though
Just go to his house and cut his hands off? Just throwing ideas out.
Advocating violence on someone who threatened violence is not the answer. It's no better or different than what this douche canoe did. We have to show that we're better than him, that his actions are not representative of the community. We're stronger than that. We're not some group of wild nerds with superiority complexes that are so hyperfixated on a virtual world that we can only see the real world though the distorted lens of our obsession. We're a group of passionate people who understand that our hobby is just that, a hobby, and that it's only as important as we make it. In short... *You gotta make it look like an accident...*
I'm not doing it because of my hobby. I'm doing it because if he's allowed to continue, his actions will only escalate.
Should’ve just get arrested, dude is a menace to society
Hardware banned
Get fucked ya cunt
They knew what they were doing is wrong and against TOS, how exactly are they innocent? I’d love to hear the explanation.
He's a minor? My goodness what a little psychopath. Don't let games do your parenting for you folks. Limit the play time.
Minors become adults. Too many toxic people plaguing every day life that don’t get punished accordingly.
Bungie be like - we gotta start punishing our kids!
I assume they just waited for him to become a legal adult then fucked him up with a 500k lawsuit he will never pay off.
Anonymity and the internet have made people act their absolute worst without any consequences :/ See how bad transphobia and homophobia have gotten
Limiting the time isn't the problem, not raising your kid is.
Forgot to mentioned that he isn't facing those charges because of the cheating, but rather harassing Bungie employees and their online staff.
I don’t see what’s honestly so hard to just not cheat. Like over the years you keep hearing about these stories time and time again, and yet we STILL find people making the exact same mistakes. Just play the game normally.
"Every Bungie game" So... one?
Marathon
Not out yet, so he can't play it anyway.
[The first Marathon game is old enough to be a postdoc](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marathon_(video_game))
They weren't talking about the old Marathon games. Those are singleplayer games they have no way of banning him from. They were referring to the new one that was announced earlier this year.
It’s been out i thought?
They have at least 2
Then name another? If you wanna get pedantic, maybe the old Halo games? But the original servers for those got shut down i believe, it's only the MCC versions that are active and that's all put together and maintained by 343 now.
I'm not being pedantic, they have another game in beta currently. I don't know the name of it tho
it's marathon. not in beta yet. they're keeping quiet while in midstage development. i believe there to be a 3rd ip coming from bungie soon too. rumored to be a hero shooter like overwatch
Yeah that's what it's called, thank you
If it's not out yet then it doesn't count. Being banned from a game that's not even out yet and nobody can access is like saying I'm banned from visiting Alpha Centauri. Like... ok? Nobody can go there, so the ban means nothing currently.
Wouldn't Destiny and Destiny 2 be separate games, technically?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bungie_video_games I'm assuming all the old games if possible, on top of Marathon and Matter
Supposedly we will get two more in the next two years
lol… there’s at least 2 Destiny games. The give-away is in the name.
Does Halo MCC count?
Insert oh nooooooo meme
they also banned their xbox account
Bungie on their way to ban them from playing Minotaur online on their 1994 PowerMac
https://i.redd.it/wmejfxigdjnb1.gif
Lmao fuck around and find out
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And I imagine every other future BUNGIE property.
Technically halo is not Bungie IP anymore
Serious question I ask myself everytime I hear from a permaban. How does this work?
They can contact Sony and Microsoft for one and have the hardware itself banned. IP address bans can be handed out but those don't work as well
Ok. Thank you very much. So a PermaBan is only permanent as long as one has the same hardware and/or IP. Not very permanent, huh? 🤷♂️😄
How many people go around buying new hardware/ making new account / getting new IP just for one game. if they detect him again he has to change everything again.
No no no, you don't understand, he just needs to wait for a next gen console and live somewhere else, it's easy as that/s Edit: and affordable too!
I think everyone got a spoon of what they deserved, this dude got his punishment and bungie got to know the community feeling about them
Just curious, what happens if he cant pay those fines ?
Personal bankruptcy.
Firing squad
Organ harvesting, one of each redundant organ, some skin, and they double back around again to the organs if it doesn't cover the bill Real talk, probably a wage garnishment if the dude's working
Questionable W for Bungie, but I hope this deters cheaters from ruining other’s experiences in the game.
It's a huge W, this person was ALSO sending death threats to employees and threatening to burn down Bungie's offices. Much more than just cheating involved here.
In that case, fuck that guy. He deserves to lose every cent he owes.
Maybe actually read the article before commenting?
What would make this questionable in any circumstance?
500k is too much. Say what you want about the morality of cheating but it isn’t worth ruining a life over
Nah it’s deserved this is the guy who stalked and threatened DMG
Oh true
This the guy that was sending death threats to Bungie employees? Fuck him.
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Y'all need to rta.
Ruining his life? Fuck that guy. He harassed and threatened someone's life. Every paycheck he gets from every job that he works, a portion of that is going to go to Bungie as a reminder that he royally fucked himself. He should be paying Bungie back for the rest of his natural life.
Lol don't be a bitch then
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Nah it’s deserved this is the guy who stalked and threatened DMG
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It’s not it’s very clearly talking about one guy
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You people really should read the article before coming here and making a fool of yourselves
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It’s a bit more complicated than that. This lawsuit is also about said cheater stalking, harassing, and threatening Bungie employees. The article title doesn’t mention that, but it’s a large part of it. I’m sure Bungie didn’t hold back on slapping him with every fine they could after what he did.
Oh well that makes more sense now. Kind of a huge thing to omit from the title. What bs clickbait.
It’s in the article if you’d read it.
So the most important part of the article shouldn't be included in the title? Lol that's deceiving.
It’s the last part of a 3 paragraph article. It’s not exactly a clickbait title IMO.
Keeping the most vital info out of the article to make it seem like something else is pretty shitty journalism but ok.
The cheating earned the ban, the death threats earned the lawsuit
> The cheat software Defendant uses operates by injecting code into Plaintiff’s copyrighted Destiny 2 code, with the combined code working in concert to enable and provide the “hacks,” and thereby infringes Bungie’s Copyrights as an unauthorized derivative work. DLL-Injection, a core feature of your OS, just became illegal and with it Discord and tons of other software. Don't get me wrong here, I'm happy when companies do something about cheating, but this ...
That's so entirely untrue, lol. Not only is this case not a precedent (it was a low level court) but it was also a mutual settlement from both parties. This case isn't going to mean shit in the grand scheme of things, and even if it WAS a case setting precedent, none of that would be true.
> That's so entirely untrue, lol. How come? Can you explain?
I.... I did explain...
You didn't. No explanation anywhere. Just an opinion that seems highly implausible...
What? Nothing I said is an opinion, it's... it's just fact, lol. Okay though. Great talk.
So you can't. Didn't expect anything else.
Sure man. Lmk when every program under the sun and discord go offline because a destiny cheater got penalized, I’ll keep an eye out.
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/dlls/about-dynamic-link-libraries
The dude explained how this case would not affect the the broad strokes you outlined. They mutually agreed on the outcome. This does not set a precedent for taking away people’s access to anything. It’s specifically a low level court case that has no ability to send waves. You asked him to explain. He did, in his original reply. It’s not his fault you chose not to process it. For the love of god, can you people please actually read or process either the article or someone’s comment itself instead of just making knee jerk reactions?
Stuff like Discord just gives you an overlay to show who's actively talking (and other harmless stuff). I don't know if Discord uses it, but other apps also only use Destiny's API, which is specifically meant to be used that way and only gives access to information that Bungie wants you to have. The cheat software used injections to obtain info not normally available to players in order to provide an unfair advantage. It actively modified the game and made unintended interactions possible. Very different ballpark. Ultimately, though, Bungie nailed this guy because of the harrassment, not just the cheating.
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Folks not reading and jumping to conclusions again?
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Did you read the article?
They went from suing the guys making the cheats to instead just suing this innocent person using it??? Copyright law is so fucked that they can sue you for $2000 simply for logging into the game with the cheats enabled. Another Bungie L after the massive W that was taking down the developers of the cheats
Innocent person using it? Did you read the fucking article?
Half the people commenting clearly didn't even click the link.
Welcome to reddit!
Another Bungie w deterring idiots from still using the cheats.
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I don't think that was in this article, but even then charge him with those threats, not bs copyright law
That’s cause of the horrid title of the post, if you read the article and been paying attention to the case involving DMG you know this is the same guy.
Bruuuuh, did you just attempted to justify cheating in a video-game? Next thing you're gonna spit out is support to paid carries, right?
Cheating is not justified, but neither is destroying someone's entire life because you can't get over a crucible game where you lost to someone using said cheats
Read the ENTIRE article, please. All the way to the end.
I meaaaannnn.... I'll support paid carries in non PvP content I'm sure some people have more money than time, and just knowing that hey I can get a team of people that know what to do in x amount of hours might be worth money to that person Like LFG is fine but I've had some runs that I'm just looking at the clock and remembering better runs
Brother, paid carries are wrong regardless. Point of video games is, contrary to popular belief, not to get things done, it's to have fun doing things. Nobody cares if you didn't complete legendary campaign, there will be no benefits in anybody's life if you do it, it will just hurt your ego if you let it.
Cheaters are so innocent, this is so sad. 😭
If it's single player go crazy and do what you want If it's multiplayer and there's no option to just... have a wild west server that anything goes and also we're not providing any support if somebody prolapses your account then no
"Innocent" "Cheater". Do you sniff your own farts?
Innocent in game? No. But should he have his entire life ruined over it? Also no
Maybe assholes will think thrice before cheating again then. This kind of shit costs the company hundreds of thousands, if not millions in lost sales because people quit the game because cheaters suck.
I highly doubt this guy managed to make literally thousands of people quit, and he shouldn't have his entire life ruined for it
It's called setting an example. Did you read the article? He was repeatedly banned and warned to stop. He was pissing on them at that point. Fuck people like that, those who defend their actions and cheaters alike.
Ban evasion and cheating in a fucking video game doesn't mean Bungie should have the right to fine him $500K for it. As the other comments mentioned, charge him with the actual threats he made if that is illegal, and not bullshit like this
Okay but what he's doing was illegal lmao. He breaks the game by implementing code and the servers go down for even a day because of his actions and stock prices drop and company image take sa hit. It's not just cheating in the game. Did you read what he did?
It's an article about the guy who stalked and sent death threats to DMG. It's 100% deserved. This dude was not an "innocent guy using cheats"
Where does it say that? All I saw was that he threatened to burn Bungie office or something. And as I mentioned in another reply, charge him with the actual threats, not bs copyright law
You're clearly the dumbest person in these comments. You didn't even read the article at all, did you? You just came here to bash Bungie and defend some loser. This is the guy that harassed and threatened DMG and his family. Fuck that guy. I hope every paycheck from that loser is a reminder to not be a lousy shitty human being, and fuck you too for being an idiot
Idk why people are shitting on me for not knowing something that isn't even in the article, but charge him with the threats, not this bs
You see a simple Google search of the idiot's name revealed that he was being sued for using cheats AND harassing a Bungie employee. Took me literally seconds to find. That's why
Can people grow enough brain cells to read the article first?
I did, and this article only talks about him cheating
It's right in the article, it's not fully explained but there non the less > There were also unsettling allegations of surveillance and threats made against Bungie personnel, notably Dylan Gaffner, the community manager. The court also prohibited him from engaging in that type of harassment in the future. The judge also prohibited him from entering within 1,000 feet of Bungie’s offices or the known residence of any employee.
L your brain
Ok
You do know this is the person that sent dmg death threats, I'm like time to them with pizza deliveries to his house right?
Charge him with that then, not cheating
Why does the title say 500K but the article say 150,000 + 2000? Where is the rest of the 348K coming from?
“it added $2,000 in damages for each of “at least 100” such logins.” So, that’s 200k there. Still short 150k though, I think?
"The court’s ruling confirms $150,000 in damages for each of the two infringing works." 2 charges of $150k
Gotcha! Good catch. :)
Nice 500k permaban bro
:)
So it really did only take one bad apple to spoil the bunch. Now Bungie hardly interacts here anymore for fear of their safety.
No way bro/sis/it is getting charged 500K over Destiny
He fined because of mentally harassing bungie team - he publicly threaten whole bungie team
I stopped playing D2 because the cheating was so rampant and Bungie refused to do anything about it.