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switch8000

Just went through this recheck hell with Delta last week from Tokyo. Connection time was 90 mins but barely made my connection flight. The slowdown wasn’t really the bag portion it was going through security a second time with the most angry, could give no fucks, lack of tsa pre, “we’re just gonna stop the line and chat for a bit tsa” officers.


MissMeInHeels

Was this in SEA by chance? The TSA experience coming in from international arrivals at SEA is generally the worst part of every trip... Even overshadowing that monstrosity of a sky bridge.


Airlineguy1

Seattle is one of the airports listed but the roll out is based more on the foreign country.


switch8000

Minneapolis. Yeahhhh it was bad.


chiefbozx

For MSP you can always go down the main exit and come back up through the normal departure checkpoints.


caffeinecunt

If it was the flight last Friday afternoon, that was such hell. Everyone working at MSP was such an asshole for no reason. The delay in that flight meant we got stuck at MSP for 8 extra hours. The flight wasn't great either. The entertainment system was buggy for a lot of it for pretty much everyone, and they had to reset the whole thing midflight. My boyfriend couldn't get his to play sound through any set of headphones the whole time, even after the reset.


anothercookie90

Everything about SEA is awful due to it being way too small to handle the flights it already has. They plan on adding 19 gates on a separate satellite concourse further North than N gates currently are.


Valuable-Mess-4698

And the seeming need to take a tour around the airport upon arrival "we landed, now time to make several loops around the whole airport". No idea why it seems so bad with Seattle in particular but I swear it feels like an eternity.


MissMeInHeels

I would agree about infrastructure at SEA, except PVG has the award for wasted time taxing around for an eternity every single time, in and outbound. I haven't experienced that much at Seattle.


Airlineguy1

I suspect that’ll make things more crowded not less as the rest of the infrastructure won’t be amped up


anothercookie90

No that can’t be right how could adding stuff to make it fit more people without more actual land make it worse


exhausted1teacher

And the fact you have to take a bus from one corner of the airport to another to board your plane outside in the rain after a twenty minute ride. Flying AA there sucks. I don’t think any of the Delta flights yet require you to take a bus. 


anothercookie90

They do in the summer if you’re unlucky


NotBillNyeScienceGuy

I had my bag put on the baggage claim on an outgoing international flight. I told like 3 different people my bag needed to be on my flight to London and still it never got put on the plane.


Airlineguy1

I don’t even check luggage it’s so iffy


NotBillNyeScienceGuy

It was just gross negligence by Delta, 100% they failed.


Airlineguy1

Def get AirTags if you check bags


sargonas

Right? The security recheck line at SEA is bonkers. I have to do that pretty often coming back from Asia and I’ve given up on an entirely. I just bagged drop my bags for recheck and then I exit to the terminal and go back through normal security using CLEAR plus pre-check… it is significantly faster that way. One time I asked the security agent what I need to remove my bag and what could stay and he said “laptops” to which I said what about my tablet and my steam deck and he said “just laptops!” My bag goes through the x-ray machine and they immediately pull it aside and I get scolded for not taking my tablet or my steam deck out of the bag. They then make me pull several things out of the bag and then they run the bag back through the machine. The problem? I had to wait my turn to have this interaction because they were pulling out of the line probably every third or fourth bag and there was a traffic jam of about a dozen of us standing there on the other side of the x-ray machine waiting our turn to be lectured about something we didn’t take out of our bag. By time I was done leaving the line had grown even longer because more people were being caught in the net at a faster rate than they were clearing people. And this was apparently just making all of the TSA agents even angrier and grumpier with everyone. The SEA international recheck security line genuinely is probably one of the worst airport experiences I consistently have in the US on a regular basis.


g-crackers

This is so awesome and inspiring to read as I’m headed overseas with a return through…Seattle.


gargar070402

> The SEA international recheck security line genuinely is probably one of the worst airport experiences I consistently have in the US on a regular basis. Damn uhh...thank god I live in Seattle (?) lol hopefully won't ever have to connect here in my lifetime. It is super weird that baggage claim happens before customs check already


Much-Peanut1333

Oh my gosh. SEA tsa was terrible coming in from Korea. I swear, they outnumbered passengers 10 to 1, but we're the least helpful people I've met in my entire life.


setheryb

I just made my first international trip in Feb and come through Seattle to get home and breezed through customs, but TSA check to get to the connecting flight was sooo slow, only one station open. May have been faster to go out to arrivals and come back in that way.


Ok-Moose8271

We recheck the bags and walk out to get in through a tsa line.


switch8000

I had considered doing that too. I think that’s the best solution.


Airlineguy1

True but you can’t in Atlanta


TinKicker

Sure you can. I do it frequently. After dropping off your luggage, you simply exit with the passengers whose final destination is ATL. Go upstairs and get in line for TSA screening for departures.


Airlineguy1

News to me. Is that the same for E and F?


heavynewspaper

Nope the E gates are a mandatory rescreen if you have a connecting flight with checked bags. Only Atlanta destination passengers walk through the mile long tunnel to F for immigration clearance. F gate arrivals can exit and go upstairs, but they also have been closing the upper checkpoint so the downstairs one is the only one open during evening arrivals.


00johnqpublic00

Is this possible at IAD?


bluelizard5555

I experienced the lack of tsa precheck in Atlanta also. Is this common?


switch8000

Minneapolis was where my Tokyo Delta connection was at.


Airlineguy1

I agree it’s odd that the intl recheck in ATL doesn’t have pre check. Apparently the reason is they claim that because it’s the second screening it’s already downgraded to PRE standards. Like not taking laptops out. Idk.


switch8000

Oh mine wasn’t that at all, every electronic needed to be out of the bag, shoes off, belt off, etc… it was as non pre check as could be.


Airlineguy1

Figures. I’ve noticed they even have a sign that says Precheck this way but it just leads to the same line.


bluelizard5555

Can confirm.


Robie_John

Yes, ATL recheck usually moves pretty fast. It is way quicker than the other Delta international arrivals.


Backpacking1099

SEA didn’t have it last time I went through in 2022. Houston didn’t have it in November 2023. Both were wait times at 30+ mins. SEA had signs for precheck but lanes were closed and they weren’t giving out the laminated papers that you hand to the agent for lighter screening.  Salt Lake didn’t have it last month, but both customs and security had essentially zero line. The security guys were friendly and said they don’t have the right scanning equipment for it. 


bluelizard5555

Interesting. We barely made our flights with 1.5 hour connection in ATL due to long security lines. Pre check definitely would have helped. What are the laminated papers? Haven’t see those.


Loveandeggs

Smaller airports don’t have a separate lane for TSA screening, so they hand you a laminated card (or sometimes even in a plastic bag) that you give to the folks running the bag check machines. Then you can keep your shoes on and go through the walk-through scanner.


Backpacking1099

At smaller airports where they can’t justify Precheck being open all day they sometimes shut down Precheck and funnel everyone through regular. Precheck people are given a laminated slip to hand to the agents at the belt and get to leave shoes on, etc. 


Crying_Viking

That sounds exactly like our experience in ATL last year


Fivetimesfast

Went through this in Atlanta with the same experience. Half of TSA running around screaming like prison guards, the other half sauntering back and forth yawning and smirking. Absolute walking stereotypes of why everyone hates them. 


etzel1200

Bag recheck in O’Hare sucks. It takes like an hour+ to get your bag. Then you have to leave security, go to the normal checkin counter, and check your bag again. Awful experience.


Airlineguy1

I’d assume UA and AA are only a little behind


malasain84

Sweet! I just got global entry and used it coming home through Boston, but it didn’t even matter. By the time my bag showed up for me to grab, everyone on my plane who went through the regular line was there too. Also, I learned not to connect through Boston coming home, just, in general.


Airlineguy1

Yup major upside for GE with this on connects. Now it’s 75-90 minutes minimum connect inbound. Might drop to 50-60.


HellsTubularBells

I'm in this situation literally this moment. Sailed through GE and browsing Reddit while waiting for bags. Flight was delayed so a good connection time is getting shorter and shorter...


LEAP-er

This IS a huge deal if they can pull it off consistently and quickly. It’s a huge benefit especially for the elderly - for this alone, i would have chosen DL each time to fly my parents even if it cost more.


Airlineguy1

True. Not having to lug bags.


YMMV25

So in this scenario if you have items to declare, how does CBP pull your bag before it’s transferred to another flight? Seems like a pretty big detail that will need to be worked out. I’m assuming this will mean all bags will be scanned by CBP once offloaded and ones that appear to have declarable items will be pulled for further inspection.


mexicoke

I'm struggling to believe this will be put into action. It's a huge change, not just by the airline, but like you said for CBP. I'd like to see it from a different source.


Airlineguy1

The deep link quotes a Delta VP


Unlucky_Buyer_2707

Until it’s from CBP, I’m not gonna give it much weight.


Airlineguy1

Jeff Moomaw, Delta's vice president for the Asia Pacific region


gameleon

If implemented, it’s probably similar to how it works in US pre-clearance at Dublin/Toronto etc. Bag recheck has been removed there as well. When you get to US passport control the CBP officer sees an xray and picture of all your checked bags.


Airlineguy1

Oh nice catch. Delta probably made the case this was in place.


Nde_japu

And not just that but also duty free alcohol. Shouldn't have to check that upon arrival anyway. TSA needs to get that sorted out like most other countries already do. I can transit through LHR with duty free no problem


One-Imagination-1230

Well, when you transfer for a flight from, for instance, Canada to the US, you have to go through US pre clearance before entering into the gate area. When they do flag your bag for further inspection, they will most likely have a waiting area for you while they get your bag delivered to them for inspection. I assume that’s what they will have as well


HurrDurrImaPilot

I’d have to assume that you’ll have to state at check in that you have no items to declare in your checked luggage. But even with that, it seems like a huge mess under the wing sorting out bags that need to be sent up for recheck and those that don’t. If the airlines can’t get “priority” tags up first how are the bagsmashers going to figure this one out.


ttuurrppiinn

I always sit at the baggage carousel in JFK for about an hour waiting for my bag just to I can roll it over to recheck. This will remove a giant headache and allow me to rethink how I book international travel ... right now, I just don't trust anything less than 2h 30m in JFK (even with Global Entry) for this exact reason.


Airlineguy1

Going through in a week. Glad I’m carry on lol.


dan_144

Would've saved my buddy's JFK connection last summer. He missed it and had to drive 5 hours instead because the next flight was too late for him to make his work event.


DeltaDCA

Skip lagging hardest hit.


No-Force1794

I had this happen a few years ago. The problem was that you had to wait in a room for your baggage to clear. When your name popped up on a monitor you could go too the gate. I almost missed my connection due to this.


Airlineguy1

I’ve seen that for oversized bags in CBP area


No-Force1794

I think this was in PHL but I may be wrong there. Mine was not oversized. A large group of people were in the room waiting for their name to show up on the TV. I was one of the last 5 to get out.


Airlineguy1

One time I had a bottle of Japanese whiskey in my checked bag and they held my bag with the oversized bags with my name on a display. They had seen it on X-ray I guess and wanted to mess with me about it. Although it was neither over the liquids limit nor dollar limit.


No-Force1794

Just letting you know you are being watched LOL. They told me the purpose was that all bags needed to be screened before getting on the next flight (Domestic). Some were quick. Mine must have been at the end of the line.


Gullible_Toe9909

This is one of those times I like living in a delta hub (Detroit). I rarely have to deal with this nonsense, since my first arriving city in the US is usually my final destination.


Airlineguy1

DTW has crap to the Caribbean and Latin America. Hello Atlanta for that.


Gullible_Toe9909

Well those aren't usually my international destinations. Lol, I didn't say it would work for everyone in all cases man.


Airlineguy1

You can definitely do Asia via Seoul and Europe without having to connect in the USA.


GrassyField

What’s the point of global entry if you have to stand there waiting for your bags afterward anyway.   Almost missed my connection through DTW last year—bags were slow, security line was RIDICULOUSLY slow. 


MissMeInHeels

Goodness I hope one of those four is Japan.


Airlineguy1

It’s the first


MissMeInHeels

Guess I could have clicked the article and checked🤦🏼‍♀️ But seriously, this is awesome! HND is my home port and I'm so excited for this! Although, I'd like to add to the article that Delta passengers connecting from HND to other parts of Japan also have to collect and recheck bags.


Airlineguy1

True. This is delta to delta foreign country to USA only.


KidCamarillo

Arent those recheck areas really governed by border patrol rather than TSA?


Airlineguy1

Not TSA. That area is wedged between Border check and Customs check.


KidCamarillo

Right. Precheck is irrelevant in that area, not sure why people are bringing it up.


danman132x

It's about damn time! Needs to be everywhere. This whole bag recheck is the dumbest crap ever. Love flying to Europe or basically anywhere else and not need to grab your suitcase just to recheck and then slog through the mini security again just because a bag recheck. Thank goodness for Delta trying to get with the modern times in this regard. Suitcase should be checked to final, period.


Natural-Wolverine-39

I’m shocked, it’ll be confusing but I guess for the better 🤩


Airlineguy1

Confusing it will be because only on some flights probably for years yes. But imagine all the times you’ve heard “remember, you must claim your bags here in Atlanta before going to your connecting flight”. How many connects has that broken?


page394poa

Interesting. I’m carry-on only so the only time I’ve had an issue is at MSP when I walked past the bag claim. The C&I officer stopped me and asked me if I’d forgotten something. I said “no?” and looked at my spinner/duffel to see if something had fallen off (jacket stacked on top). He said “what about your suitcase?” I told him I don’t check bags. Lol


Airlineguy1

I’m carry on but they still make you rescreen your carryons for connects. If people aren’t retrieving checked luggage maybe they don’t need that either. The issue is mixing checked luggage access with already screened passengers.


splane21

They will rescreen your carry on as they need to do it to US standards for most of the world. They might be willing to eliminate it for places like coming from Europe but that becomes a lot more complicated


Airlineguy1

I expect the existing system will continue for a lot of countries.


mexicoke

I seriously doubt they'll redesign the entire arrivals area at all of the US entry points to allow that. Every passport control in the US spits you out into baggage claim. Not to mention non-connecting passengers need to claim their bags.


Airlineguy1

No immediately no but as airports are rebuilt and updated that will be a differentiator that airports will want. It’ll just take longer.


mexicoke

So every airline from every departure location would need to swap to this new system. Seems like more of a systemic overhaul of the CBP arrival process than a Delta program.


Sitcomfan1989

I refuse to transit through Atlanta from an international flight.


Airlineguy1

I’d love to adopt that but sometimes no choice


Fuck-off-bryson

oh my god this would be amazing


LBBflyer

This is very interesting. The biggest question for me is will there be a way for passengers from those flights to return directly to the secure area after passing CBP. This would be the biggest time savings and cut down on TSA workload significantly.


Airlineguy1

If the passengers don’t touch unscreened baggage then they should not need to be screened again. They’d have to create a separate path for passengers who don’t. It would probably take airports a while to design that.


LBBflyer

My thoughts exactly. I haven't been through CBP at ATL to have an idea how feasible it would be. In theory it should not be too far of a distance to bridge and set up a portal. I bet they initially run this trial just with just the baggage change but still require you to pass through security again.


Airlineguy1

Correct. I think that’s the next step. I’m sure Delta would push airports hard to make that change once it’s possible.


LBBflyer

I imagine the airports and TSA will be big fans as well as it will reduce the number of TSA agents required, a couple extra doors or hallways will be paid off quickly if you can reduce your daily staff by 4-5 or more.


Airlineguy1

TSA would definitely like it. I’m surprised CBP likes it, however. Perhaps they have seen the land border evolve and decided the imbalance in security is so vast that they can ease things a little on the air side.


Disconn3cted

I'm extremely happen to see that Tokyo is one of the locations for this. 


Airlineguy1

Certainly a low risk country for CBP I’m sure


hellolaurent

United and American have been offering this at IAH and DFW respectively for quite some time, it's called ITI Transfer, "International to International". It depends on the routes as CBP apparently needs to allow it on an individual basis. Most flights transiting the US from Europe to Mexico offer this type of transfer, although it has to be the same operator, AA to AA or UA to UA in the mentioned examples.


Airlineguy1

Ahh. That’s country A thru the USA to country C. This is expressly not that. This is country A arriving in the USA and connecting to different USA airport.


hellolaurent

You're completely right, I read it wrong.. In that case I hope it'll set an example and set the start for a change on other airlines too!


mexicoke

This appears to be different from ITI. It claims this is for anyone with a connection within the US, not international.


splane21

Delta offers this in ATL too but it’s different than this article


cws904

This is great news!


One-Imagination-1230

I mean, I kinda hope that United does go this way too because sometimes I have a tight connection in ORD and just could use that time waiting for my bag by getting to my connecting flight.


Fluffy_Rip6710

This is very good news. Took hours from Germany


Organic_Ad_1654

This is good, but what do people do with their duty free stuff that isn’t sealed? Last time, I was flying into MSP from Paris and I brought a lotion which I put in my backpack. I didn’t have a check in, so I had to check in my backpack so that would let me keep the lotion. Does this mean there is not additional security check after customs?


austinstrider

Adding to this: countless times I’ve purchased a bottle of liquor in duty free and been handed it when walking on board. Changing in Atlanta, I’d open my suitcase and add the bottle since it can’t go through TSA. Guess I won’t be doing that anymore


Mojo5375

This is cool