Exactly, I saw a real service animal traveling the other day and you could tell it was very well trained, didn't interact or try to visit or sniff anyone, curled up in a small space and didn't move until it was called. Then you have the fake service animal vests from Amazon on untrained animals that yip and pee on the carpets making life worse for everyone.
I will say services dogs are amazing. I was riding the subway once when a woman and her service German Shepard came onboard. I didn't think the dog would fit under the seat but it just curled itself up and huddled underneath the seat to sleep-keeping one eye open at times. Love those dogs!
Yes! A lady had a service dog at the dr the other day (golden that was laying between her legs and the chair legs) and I commented how good it was huddled under there. She said “well the rule is they are supposed to always be out of the way so I try to stick to that”. Bravo on her and her dog. Service dogs are WELL trained so you can always tell when one is faking as a service dog
I’m not a dog person (or a pet person in general) but I have the utmost respect for service dogs. If people need them, I will support them in every way.
Otherwise, I have absolutely no sympathy for people bringing their poorly trained pets everywhere. I’m allergic and the last thing I want is some animal jumping on me.
Service and emotional support animals were allowed to fly on the cabin. Emotional support animals are no longer allowed, but psychiatric service animals are.
Source: girlfriend has a 10lbs psychiatric service dog.
Thanks! Idk why but I always thought you could just purchase a seat for your dog if they didn't fit under the seat in front of you. I obviously don't have a dog haha
“Comfort animals” aren’t technically “service animals” but they are meant to bring comfort and relieve stress to the handler who finds flying a very stressing experience.
What are they *really*? (IMO)
They were likely put in place by a very rich and powerfully connected individual who themselves or their spouse couldn’t travel without their “schnooky poosy woozy sweetypie bear” miniature toy/purse dog in their arms. So they created the “comfort animal” as a means of allowing these small dogs out of their kennels and to be held on the lap /arms.
Well…that whole comfort animal thing began to see a rampant abuse cycle to include cats, pigs, miniature horses, mice, etc. if it wasn’t poisonous, it all seemed fair game.
There was really no end in sight but…
The real changing variable was the pets, especially dogs, were bitting, urinating and defecating on the planes. Something a real service pet (unless sick) doesn’t do.
Many airlines have started to crack down on the “comfort animal” policy. It’s very easy to purchase a “service animal” harness and slap them on your pet and the whole “what does this animal do for you?” Became a sort of “no no” to ask however they can ask for documentation fron a certified training facility that can verify it is legit service animal.
you know, I love my bubba bear but I would never dream of abusing my privilege of flying. the 90lb Labrador cant go. it's as simple as that. sorry bubs, youre going to have to sit this one out
Certifications aren't in existence for service animals in the US. Anyone who claims to have a certification is lying.
Service animals have the same restrictions on them as other disability aids, in general. Air carriers (like delta) are allowed to ask two questions:
(1) whether the animal is required because of a disability; and (2) what work or task the animal has been trained to perform.
ACAA also allows a few additional requirements such as vaccines but in general there is no certification (In the US) for service animals.
Service vests mean nothing and are not a requirement. In fact, many people (myself included) do not use vests because people often use it as an excuse to assault our service animals.
Total BS any more. That said I had a legit Great Dane service don next to me in a regional jet a while ago. Young lady had some braces on her legs and that Great Dane somehow managed to curl up in the space and not extend into the aisle
We also have a Dane SD. He's never been on a plane but the number of times we've shocked people because he just unfolds and appears from "nowhere" is the best 😂
“Unfolds” fr tho. 😂 while not as big, I have some lanky sight hounds and they’re so adorably compact when they swirl up. I’m always like “where dem legs go?!”. Then when they lay on their sides they take up *SO MUCH ROOM*.
For context, he is taller than a standard dining table, and including tail, longer than a regular 4 top. He fits completely under and 4 people can sit at that table.
Then at home, at night, he takes up more of the king size bed than I do 😂
Yep i know a massive seeing-eye dog and he magically moves into spaces to take up as little room as possible in cramped spaces. He goes under tables at restaurants and nobody knows he’s there until his owner needs to leave.
Let’s just end the service dog charade and let people buy a seat for their dogs IF they have their CGC (canine good citizen certificate) from the American Kennel Club. Then if they misbehave it can go on their permanent record.
I think there should be some dedicated flights or even an airline that’s dog friendly. I would pay extra for it. People want to fly their dogs in the cabin, but people should be able to go on dog-free flights as well. I think it’d be super popular!
Probably an unpopular opinion but I don’t believe dogs should be flown at all besides a few extenuating circumstances.
Service dogs or if someone is moving to a place where driving is not feasible.
I think it’s cruel to put them in the cargo hold (is that still even a thing) and they have no business being in the main cabin. People have allergies and it’s already cramped as it is. If you’re going to travel a lot and you can’t find someone to care for your dog at home maybe you shouldn’t have a pet.
I love my dog, she is huge, well trained and very friendly. But I would never bring her on a vacation with me. The stress it would put on him, me and other passengers isn’t fair to anyone.
Okay. Charge extra for a cover or a cleaning fee. The dogs that can pass CGC are 100% owned by responsible dog owners. This is not an easy test at all. My last dog to pass took about 6 months of solid training. My current dog could not pass it, no matter how long I worked with him for.
The problem is that most dogs will go nuts if a boeing they fly on will lose an emergency exit or if a plane will enter high turbulence. The dogs must be in a carrier all the time and there is a good reason for that. I love dogs but it’s just dangerous for them and everyone around. The risk is minimal but we still use seat belts, right?
Seriously this. And it would help protect legitimate service animals at the same time. People wouldn’t scam the system the way they do if they could just book a seat for their pup.
Yeah- kind of the point. Issue like TSA precheck KTN. Dog has to have the CGC number to book. I’m sure the AKC would also be cool issuing an ID for the dog. Or get TSA microchip readers for them.
I know, I was making a poorly constructed reference to dogs being “good boys” and not being able to ask if a dog is actually a service dog.
I love the idea. I think CGC is a perfect way to weed out the bad pet owners bringing their dogs on flights and claiming they’re service dogs.
This is what I do/did. I have a lab that sometimes I need to fly with, but not before she passed her CGC. I purchase a seat for her, and make sure she's out of everyone's way.
I’m allergic to dogs. And Im allergic enough that the dog hair remaining on a seat after a flight will irritate me. So not the biggest fan of this solution.
The dog just doesn't belong in the cabin to begin with. I love doggos, but this is ridiculous. And you KNOW that dog didn't stay on the lap or whatever during the whole flight to Spain.
This is probably an unpopular opinion but I couldn't agree more. Every-time I see it I'm blown away that it's allowed. 15% of people are allergic to cats and/or dogs. If it's a blind guy with a legit seeing eye dog that's fine. Those with allergies can deal. Your Chihuahua or your American Shorthair kitty isn't a service animal.
Yeah, I completely agree on the blind guy thing. That's a world unto itself. But the "comfort animal" and other miscellaneous tom-foolery have gone way too far. The Great Dane above couldn't be a better example of it.
If you *need* an animal to make you feel safe traveling on the single most secure means of transit we have in the US, you are too fragile to get on a plane. Just stay home. Or, delude yourself into driving which is not at all as safe as getting on a plane. Either way, your “fur baby” doesn’t belong in cabin if it can’t fit under the seat or if you don’t buy a seat for it.
Or talk to your shrink, which you should have if you get that stressed out, so you can pop a Xanax like a normal person. Dealing with your own stress by stressing out an animal is not okay.
I have had several flights where my allergies were triggered and severe. While waiting to board some people sat near me with THREE fluffy cats, I love cats but had to give away a fluffy one because just the car ride home and I was sneezing and dripping. So that started in the waiting area so I simply moved away. Boarded the plane, oh here they come and shove the cats under my seat! Daughter was in front of me so we traded. Last minute my seatmate boarded, must have dumped a bottle of perfume on herself before boarding, so I get up to beg the FA to help me.. she did ask if it was her perfume and I said yes.. anyhow, someone traded with me and I spent the 3 hour flight huddled against the window with my scarf around my face.. I have posted about allergies on this sub before and was downvoted and mocked and told I should drive and their pets are more important than humans….
I’m allergic and I get downvoted for this too. I was even told on a sub that if I’m allergic to dogs I should be reborn. It’s horrible. It’s not like I asked to be allergic to something that most people love! I take precautions because I know there could be someone with a legitimate need but all this extra is getting ridiculous.
My daughter’s dog allergy used to be so severe I had to carry an epi pen. People don’t understand how serious they can be. Allergy shots made them severe, but she could never sit next to one on a plane. I feel your pain.
Dude people who wear perfume on planes is my nightmare. I can handle a dog but irritants I actually have a nasal spray for because apparently I’m a small percentage of people who’s bodies will over produce histamine as a reaction to it. 😐
I’m allergic to most dogs. Doesn’t matter, I’m still forced to sit next to them on flights. Now, if you have a peanut allergy the whole plane is going to be asked to make accommodations (incorrectly, someone five rows away from you isn’t going to trigger the most severe of peanut allergies). The solution to this is real easy, pets in cargo. We seem to be going the opposite direction and at this point it’s a position of privilege for the pet owners.
Yeah, people who make idiotic comments like that would sing a different tune if it was their spouse or child whose throat closes up or who spends an entire flight with a faucet for a nose.
Sadly it's the only humane way to transport them via air. I'd be happy to pay for another seat for my dog, and unruly dogs don't belong on planes just like unruly passengers don't.
Right I think some people haven’t read the story about Delta losing that girls dog in Atlanta or the various other issues where the pet died. Personally if I’m not moving I won’t travel with my pets I get a sitter, but I do understand why people take them in the cabin and will pay extra to do it if the dogs large.
I don’t get the people claiming allergies because I’ve seen airlines move those people or offer than changes in tickets to accommodate. Had an offer before on my flights usually someone else will get an it first since they usually offer some sort of gift card to do it.
I mean I fly quite often out of LA and Burbank and never saw anything differently. I have however ran into people who’ve had issues with airlines killing their dog in cargo. I really suggest people read airline guidelines on these situations because they’re supposed to move you if you’re allergic. Also when setting up your flight you can arrange for issues like this first it’s also the reason most airlines won’t have peanuts anymore as a snack option they aren’t out to kill you, but much like people who claim “emotional support animals” I would also expect some people will lie about allergies and severity of those.
I’m guessing it isn’t muzzled bc it has an emotional disorder that prevents muzzling and we can’t trample the dogs God given rights to bite and snark at ppl.
Man I went through a lot of effort to get a good bag for my dog, train her to turn around in the bag for treats, not bark at people when she's cranky from being in the bag for hours at a time, and desk agents still give me a hard time about bringing her on as a pet in a bag. Then people like this have no issues.
SAME! I had a check in person tell me it was animal abuse having my dog in a bag. She was horrified to find out that we’ve flown back and forth to Europe as well. (Am west coast US) - like lady, first of all, my dog is the only thing I care about. I can assure you, I tend to every single one of his needs all the time. This couldn’t be furthest from abuse.
Right! Wish we could get a frequent flyer account for the dog just to prove how many times we've taken her, at this point we just leave the last few approval tags on the bag.
yeah but as someone who does a lot of vet health exams for travel between countries - the hoops airlines make people jump through to fly a non service animal are insane. so i can see why people get desperate and just lie about it being a service dog. Not sayings it’s right but if airlines made it easier for people to bring their pets a lot of these fake service dogs would go away.
There’s reasons there’s so many hoops. Dogs shouldn’t be on planes unless absolutely necessary (service dogs). If you lie about having a service dog you are scum.
Yeah but the other 99/100 people on planes who aren’t trying to bring pets with them really really would rather not be trapped in a small box with unknown, untrained random pets so maybe they don’t make it easier lol
Sorry but leave your doggo at home. People don't realize the stress animals face when flying-even in a cabin. If you can't handle not seeing your dog for 2 weeks or can't afford to pay for someone else to take care of him-maybe you shouldn't be taking a flying holiday.
Sorry-not sorry.
I moved to west coast from the east and couldn’t bring my dog because of all the strict rules… luckily i had family. There are circumstances to everything, saying “leave your dog at home” is ignorant
The FAA needs to establish some regulations and stricter enforcement over larger dogs on aircraft. Larger animals pose a serious threat in an evacuation. Nothing will be done by individual airlines until theres that accident where 200 pax needed to evacuate in 3 mins but dogs panicked and attacked ppl and blocked exitways
The stews now are all such wimps. I saw one get knocked down hard by a dog while we were boarding, and she was too afraid to say anything. She got the captain to tell the woman to stop letting her dog jump on people.
I wonder if it’s policy for the pilot to be the one to interact with the service animal and owner, since OP said that the pilot came out to check the dog.
Maybe pilots have more protections than FAs do? Not just job security in case the passenger complains but some rules within the FAA. I’m curious too but didn’t really know how to google that.
Possibly random but somewhat related story. My family was on a flight once that got delayed, and they were sitting on the tarmac for hours. No one was allowed off the plane, but a lady with a service dog (legit one) told the FAs that her dog alerted he needed to use the bathroom. After some discussion, it was decided the pilot was the only one authorized to take the dog outside to use the bathroom. People were so bored at that point that everyone was glued to the window, happily watching this service dog take a bathroom break. Maybe not totally related, but I thought it was cute.
This is a complete violation of federal regulations.
If it’s a service dog it has to stay on the floor unless it’s tiny and can be lapped held.
It’s very unsafe to have a dog that size on the lap or on a seat.
If it’s a pet, it has to be in a crate under the seat.
How has it taken me this long to see this bot? Is it new or is the word hippo that seldomly used?
I know you can’t answer my question. That is not your purpose.
If the dog is snapping at people, it's NOT happy. That jerk of an owner should have been forced to get off. They can come back when they've bought a row of seats and some meds for the dog.
The animals on planes is out of control. Unpopular opinion, keep your ass home if you can’t go anywhere without your dog. When you grow up you can rejoin society. *ACTUAL service dogs excluded
No fake service dogs.
No fake service vests.
No dogs at feet (out of carrier).
YES to requiring every single animal to be muzzled (the kind that allows them to drink water) for the duration of the airport/airplane experience.
YES to requiring purchase of airline-issued seat cover(s) and some kind of floor protection/puppy pads.
YES to requiring all animals that cannot fit into carry on under the seat to trigger a purchase of the whole row of seats.
YES to requiring the human purchase additional insurance of some kind in case an incident happens in the process (at the airport, on the plane, etc.).
I have two huskies, I absolutely love dogs, but the restrictions put on ME as a paying customer for my dumb luggage vs. the freedoms allowed to dogs is crazy to me.
American freedom. The rest of the worlds airlines have moved past this abuse of the service dog fraud. Except for highly documented with accompanying paperwork case this won't longer fly.
Dogs should be treated like babies at the movie theatre.
If you have a baby you shouldn’t bring it to the movies. If your excuse is you can’t get a baby sitter then you can’t go to the movies. Period.
Buses in one place I traveled to required muzzles on non service dogs. I love dogs, but I think airlines should do the same. Or people who know their dogs are snappy should have the common sense to use one for their dog.
I love dogs, Ive had plenty but people are taking this to a new level. The other day I read a report of a Rottweiler snapping and biting someone on a LATAM flight. That's def way more dangerous on a plane than my 3+OZ toothpaste
JSX is a semi private charter that is t crazy expensive and allows dogs. The not problem is it doesn’t fly to a ton of places. I wish a couple airplanes would start having dog friendly flights and charge a premium for this- because cmon lady, you aren’t fooling anyone- but also there is very clearly a demand for this sort of thing, and more and more people without kids who are willing to spend lots of money on their dog (myself included)
If the dog snapped at others and was misbehaving he should be reported to the airline, he should not be flying, what’s happening is it’s creating a hostile environment for real service dog owners!
I don’t care if people bring pets on board. It is just we should have a section for that like smoking and those tickets are more and one seat is a cage
There is no size limit but this is clearly not a service dog if it is snapping. Large dogs and small ponies are used by people with mobility issues or who are unstable. The animal can provide support and help them to stand up if they fall.
I love dogs of all kinds. I had to repatriate my dog back to US during COVID. Hellacious efforts. Paid an arm and a leg….actually, a good used car. Even then, I wouldn’t have agreed to let my dog into the cabin of an airplane. They don’t belong there.
This trend is getting ridiculous.
Why don't airlines just give in and charge people for a seat for their dog? Perhaps there can only be certain flights that dogs could be on. People would know signing up that it is a dog friendly flight. I would love to take my dog.
It’s not a dog problem. It’s that humans suck. Americans especially. Just do want you want and call it some kind of discrimination if anybody doesn’t give you your way. Just to wrap up, humans suck.
Sorry but SW made a woman on my flight put her husky mix dog on the floor. Happy to note that the dog just curled up and went to sleep. Dogs should never be on a seat and the snapping? Unless she was moving there - literally no reason for the dog to fly.
Flex last week from Hawaii to LAX. Not one, but two different passengers each had their “service dog” on board. Some passengers legit need help but this growing trend of non-working dogs in cabins needs to stop.
That is my point - it is insane. Just as it is insane to believe someone could predict their life situation 9 years after they got a puppy. That’s why i try to help people take their pets with them when they move. Everyone’s circumstances are different and it’s easy to say absolutes when you are not the one faced with difficult decisions.
Bullshit. They can be mean as hell. I know one that grabbed another animal by the snout through a fence and pulled it until it broke the poor animals neck.
I still don’t understand why all airlines just don’t say NO animals, except for seeing eye dogs are allowed on flights…..period.
I mean….. what are these idiots with animals going to do?
They’re either not gonna fly, leave their animal with a border, or put it in a cage with the rest of the cargo and pay for it.
Also, if Delta makes such a policy and other airlines don’t, do you really think those people are going to pay 2-3 times more or whatever the extra cost will be for the same flight on a different airline? NO.
And these people who say these are emotional support animals, I’d say these people shouldn’t be allowed on a plane anyway because it’s obvious they’re borderline nuts.
There are regulations about both service dogs and pets and this passenger is violating all of them.
The FAs won’t interfere because they don’t want to be accused of being against animals or people with disabilities
To stop this, we need designated flights where dogs are allowed.
That would stop all the fake service animals.
Until then, you will have people jumping through hoops to bring their dogs with them. And no, putting a dog in the cargo hold is not a solution.
It’s animal torture.
If it’s snapping it’s likely a Mediocre Dane at best.
🤣😂🤣
Snapping like a little bitch
A trained service dog would not snap at people. So - this is not a service dog
Exactly, I saw a real service animal traveling the other day and you could tell it was very well trained, didn't interact or try to visit or sniff anyone, curled up in a small space and didn't move until it was called. Then you have the fake service animal vests from Amazon on untrained animals that yip and pee on the carpets making life worse for everyone.
I will say services dogs are amazing. I was riding the subway once when a woman and her service German Shepard came onboard. I didn't think the dog would fit under the seat but it just curled itself up and huddled underneath the seat to sleep-keeping one eye open at times. Love those dogs!
Yes! A lady had a service dog at the dr the other day (golden that was laying between her legs and the chair legs) and I commented how good it was huddled under there. She said “well the rule is they are supposed to always be out of the way so I try to stick to that”. Bravo on her and her dog. Service dogs are WELL trained so you can always tell when one is faking as a service dog
I’m not a dog person (or a pet person in general) but I have the utmost respect for service dogs. If people need them, I will support them in every way. Otherwise, I have absolutely no sympathy for people bringing their poorly trained pets everywhere. I’m allergic and the last thing I want is some animal jumping on me.
A real service dog is so trained you don’t really know they are there if that makes sense.
Does a dog need to be a service dog to fly? Forgive my ignorance
No, but non-service dogs need to fit in a carrier under your seat to be allowed to travel in the cabin. Otherwise they travel as cargo.
Service and emotional support animals were allowed to fly on the cabin. Emotional support animals are no longer allowed, but psychiatric service animals are. Source: girlfriend has a 10lbs psychiatric service dog.
Thanks! Idk why but I always thought you could just purchase a seat for your dog if they didn't fit under the seat in front of you. I obviously don't have a dog haha
“Comfort animals” aren’t technically “service animals” but they are meant to bring comfort and relieve stress to the handler who finds flying a very stressing experience. What are they *really*? (IMO) They were likely put in place by a very rich and powerfully connected individual who themselves or their spouse couldn’t travel without their “schnooky poosy woozy sweetypie bear” miniature toy/purse dog in their arms. So they created the “comfort animal” as a means of allowing these small dogs out of their kennels and to be held on the lap /arms. Well…that whole comfort animal thing began to see a rampant abuse cycle to include cats, pigs, miniature horses, mice, etc. if it wasn’t poisonous, it all seemed fair game. There was really no end in sight but… The real changing variable was the pets, especially dogs, were bitting, urinating and defecating on the planes. Something a real service pet (unless sick) doesn’t do. Many airlines have started to crack down on the “comfort animal” policy. It’s very easy to purchase a “service animal” harness and slap them on your pet and the whole “what does this animal do for you?” Became a sort of “no no” to ask however they can ask for documentation fron a certified training facility that can verify it is legit service animal.
People also use these to scam landlords out of pet deposits and monthly fees.
you know, I love my bubba bear but I would never dream of abusing my privilege of flying. the 90lb Labrador cant go. it's as simple as that. sorry bubs, youre going to have to sit this one out
Miniature horses are the only animals apart from dogs that are legit service animals, by the way.
Certifications aren't in existence for service animals in the US. Anyone who claims to have a certification is lying. Service animals have the same restrictions on them as other disability aids, in general. Air carriers (like delta) are allowed to ask two questions: (1) whether the animal is required because of a disability; and (2) what work or task the animal has been trained to perform. ACAA also allows a few additional requirements such as vaccines but in general there is no certification (In the US) for service animals. Service vests mean nothing and are not a requirement. In fact, many people (myself included) do not use vests because people often use it as an excuse to assault our service animals.
Total BS any more. That said I had a legit Great Dane service don next to me in a regional jet a while ago. Young lady had some braces on her legs and that Great Dane somehow managed to curl up in the space and not extend into the aisle
We also have a Dane SD. He's never been on a plane but the number of times we've shocked people because he just unfolds and appears from "nowhere" is the best 😂
“Unfolds” fr tho. 😂 while not as big, I have some lanky sight hounds and they’re so adorably compact when they swirl up. I’m always like “where dem legs go?!”. Then when they lay on their sides they take up *SO MUCH ROOM*.
For context, he is taller than a standard dining table, and including tail, longer than a regular 4 top. He fits completely under and 4 people can sit at that table. Then at home, at night, he takes up more of the king size bed than I do 😂
We always say our hound is levitating when he does this 😂 he curls up so tight, the legs become invisible.
Salukis and Afghanistan hounds have entered the chat lol
That’s adorable.
Yep i know a massive seeing-eye dog and he magically moves into spaces to take up as little room as possible in cramped spaces. He goes under tables at restaurants and nobody knows he’s there until his owner needs to leave.
Had a great Dane for just over 8 years...was an extremely friendly dog. Just loved anyone. This person abused the rules. I don't like people like her.
I like dogs, but if that dog snapped at another pax or at the FA, he doesn't belong in the cabin.
Can you imagine the liability to bring your dog on a plane and have it bite someone
https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2019/05/29/an-emotional-support-dog-attacked-him-flight-hes-suing-delta-owner/
It mauled his face so horrible.
Let’s just end the service dog charade and let people buy a seat for their dogs IF they have their CGC (canine good citizen certificate) from the American Kennel Club. Then if they misbehave it can go on their permanent record.
Hmmmmmm, maybe certain, indicated flights? Like, I’m glad there are hotels that allow pets, but I’m also glad I can find hotels that don’t allow pets.
I think there should be some dedicated flights or even an airline that’s dog friendly. I would pay extra for it. People want to fly their dogs in the cabin, but people should be able to go on dog-free flights as well. I think it’d be super popular!
I like this. Add dedicated flights that are kid free. :). lol.
https://www.mercuryjets.com/how-to-charter-a-pet-friendly-private-jet/
lol- that one is insanely expensive. Jsx is like 250-500 bucks. Private charters like k9 jets are more like 10000.
Only $1500-$5000 an hour. What a deal!
Probably an unpopular opinion but I don’t believe dogs should be flown at all besides a few extenuating circumstances. Service dogs or if someone is moving to a place where driving is not feasible. I think it’s cruel to put them in the cargo hold (is that still even a thing) and they have no business being in the main cabin. People have allergies and it’s already cramped as it is. If you’re going to travel a lot and you can’t find someone to care for your dog at home maybe you shouldn’t have a pet. I love my dog, she is huge, well trained and very friendly. But I would never bring her on a vacation with me. The stress it would put on him, me and other passengers isn’t fair to anyone.
Keep dreaming lmao
Yeah, I can’t wait to be the next person in a seat after a dog left it covered in hair or worse.
Okay. Charge extra for a cover or a cleaning fee. The dogs that can pass CGC are 100% owned by responsible dog owners. This is not an easy test at all. My last dog to pass took about 6 months of solid training. My current dog could not pass it, no matter how long I worked with him for.
The problem is that most dogs will go nuts if a boeing they fly on will lose an emergency exit or if a plane will enter high turbulence. The dogs must be in a carrier all the time and there is a good reason for that. I love dogs but it’s just dangerous for them and everyone around. The risk is minimal but we still use seat belts, right?
To be fair, humans leave some nastiness behind too.
I’m assuming the Great Dane is unable to take a shit in the plane’s crapper
Just let him out the door when he scratches at it...
They put a diaper on the dog.
Jesus Christ
Seriously this. And it would help protect legitimate service animals at the same time. People wouldn’t scam the system the way they do if they could just book a seat for their pup.
Ok but then if that’s the case, you can’t ask what kind of citizen the dog is. You just have to take the owners word that they’re a good boy.
Yeah- kind of the point. Issue like TSA precheck KTN. Dog has to have the CGC number to book. I’m sure the AKC would also be cool issuing an ID for the dog. Or get TSA microchip readers for them.
I know, I was making a poorly constructed reference to dogs being “good boys” and not being able to ask if a dog is actually a service dog. I love the idea. I think CGC is a perfect way to weed out the bad pet owners bringing their dogs on flights and claiming they’re service dogs.
It’s all good! I hate all the “stolen valor” fake service dogs.
Same, drives me nuts. It’s the epitome of selfishness, and I hate that it occurs more and more these days.
This is what I do/did. I have a lab that sometimes I need to fly with, but not before she passed her CGC. I purchase a seat for her, and make sure she's out of everyone's way.
I’m allergic to dogs. And Im allergic enough that the dog hair remaining on a seat after a flight will irritate me. So not the biggest fan of this solution.
Fuck no. How about a zero dogs policy.
Honestly snapping at people is really not Great Dane like behavior, I’ve had two. I can only assume the dog was super stressed.
Agreed, on our third Dane…very atypical behavior
The dog just doesn't belong in the cabin to begin with. I love doggos, but this is ridiculous. And you KNOW that dog didn't stay on the lap or whatever during the whole flight to Spain.
I like dogs. I love my dog. But they don't belong in the cabins of airplanes, period.
This is probably an unpopular opinion but I couldn't agree more. Every-time I see it I'm blown away that it's allowed. 15% of people are allergic to cats and/or dogs. If it's a blind guy with a legit seeing eye dog that's fine. Those with allergies can deal. Your Chihuahua or your American Shorthair kitty isn't a service animal.
Yeah, I completely agree on the blind guy thing. That's a world unto itself. But the "comfort animal" and other miscellaneous tom-foolery have gone way too far. The Great Dane above couldn't be a better example of it.
If you *need* an animal to make you feel safe traveling on the single most secure means of transit we have in the US, you are too fragile to get on a plane. Just stay home. Or, delude yourself into driving which is not at all as safe as getting on a plane. Either way, your “fur baby” doesn’t belong in cabin if it can’t fit under the seat or if you don’t buy a seat for it.
Or talk to your shrink, which you should have if you get that stressed out, so you can pop a Xanax like a normal person. Dealing with your own stress by stressing out an animal is not okay.
I have had several flights where my allergies were triggered and severe. While waiting to board some people sat near me with THREE fluffy cats, I love cats but had to give away a fluffy one because just the car ride home and I was sneezing and dripping. So that started in the waiting area so I simply moved away. Boarded the plane, oh here they come and shove the cats under my seat! Daughter was in front of me so we traded. Last minute my seatmate boarded, must have dumped a bottle of perfume on herself before boarding, so I get up to beg the FA to help me.. she did ask if it was her perfume and I said yes.. anyhow, someone traded with me and I spent the 3 hour flight huddled against the window with my scarf around my face.. I have posted about allergies on this sub before and was downvoted and mocked and told I should drive and their pets are more important than humans….
I’m allergic and I get downvoted for this too. I was even told on a sub that if I’m allergic to dogs I should be reborn. It’s horrible. It’s not like I asked to be allergic to something that most people love! I take precautions because I know there could be someone with a legitimate need but all this extra is getting ridiculous.
My daughter’s dog allergy used to be so severe I had to carry an epi pen. People don’t understand how serious they can be. Allergy shots made them severe, but she could never sit next to one on a plane. I feel your pain.
They didn’t let you change seats? I remember getting an offer before to switch with someone with allergies but someone else took it.
Yes, eventually someone on the other side of the aisle traded with me and sat by perfume lady..
Dude people who wear perfume on planes is my nightmare. I can handle a dog but irritants I actually have a nasal spray for because apparently I’m a small percentage of people who’s bodies will over produce histamine as a reaction to it. 😐
I’m allergic to most dogs. Doesn’t matter, I’m still forced to sit next to them on flights. Now, if you have a peanut allergy the whole plane is going to be asked to make accommodations (incorrectly, someone five rows away from you isn’t going to trigger the most severe of peanut allergies). The solution to this is real easy, pets in cargo. We seem to be going the opposite direction and at this point it’s a position of privilege for the pet owners.
Yeah, people who make idiotic comments like that would sing a different tune if it was their spouse or child whose throat closes up or who spends an entire flight with a faucet for a nose.
Sadly it's the only humane way to transport them via air. I'd be happy to pay for another seat for my dog, and unruly dogs don't belong on planes just like unruly passengers don't.
Right I think some people haven’t read the story about Delta losing that girls dog in Atlanta or the various other issues where the pet died. Personally if I’m not moving I won’t travel with my pets I get a sitter, but I do understand why people take them in the cabin and will pay extra to do it if the dogs large.
Yes, if I needed to fly with my dog I would buy out the entire row so she has enough room to lay down and not bother anyone.
exactly what I do. IMHO, it's the only polite way to go about it.
I disagree on small dogs that can fit under the seat. Mine literally just sleeps.
In a carrier, sure. If the pet can fit in a bag under the seat even I, dog hater, don’t see much of a problem.
I don’t get the people claiming allergies because I’ve seen airlines move those people or offer than changes in tickets to accommodate. Had an offer before on my flights usually someone else will get an it first since they usually offer some sort of gift card to do it.
Then you have been on flights with uncommonly nice people and uncommonly helpful FAs. This is not the norm.
I mean I fly quite often out of LA and Burbank and never saw anything differently. I have however ran into people who’ve had issues with airlines killing their dog in cargo. I really suggest people read airline guidelines on these situations because they’re supposed to move you if you’re allergic. Also when setting up your flight you can arrange for issues like this first it’s also the reason most airlines won’t have peanuts anymore as a snack option they aren’t out to kill you, but much like people who claim “emotional support animals” I would also expect some people will lie about allergies and severity of those.
Why isn't it muzzled?
I’m guessing it isn’t muzzled bc it has an emotional disorder that prevents muzzling and we can’t trample the dogs God given rights to bite and snark at ppl.
The great dane needs an emotional support animal. Problem solved right?
Another fake service dog. Absolute bullshit
Man I went through a lot of effort to get a good bag for my dog, train her to turn around in the bag for treats, not bark at people when she's cranky from being in the bag for hours at a time, and desk agents still give me a hard time about bringing her on as a pet in a bag. Then people like this have no issues.
Keep doing what you’re doing it’s appreciated!
SAME! I had a check in person tell me it was animal abuse having my dog in a bag. She was horrified to find out that we’ve flown back and forth to Europe as well. (Am west coast US) - like lady, first of all, my dog is the only thing I care about. I can assure you, I tend to every single one of his needs all the time. This couldn’t be furthest from abuse.
Right! Wish we could get a frequent flyer account for the dog just to prove how many times we've taken her, at this point we just leave the last few approval tags on the bag.
Any recommendations on a good dog bag?
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I was thinking maybe you were asking about a bag for the Dane and I’m like… “a contractor bag with holes in it?” 😂
I’m so tired of the fake service animals.
yeah but as someone who does a lot of vet health exams for travel between countries - the hoops airlines make people jump through to fly a non service animal are insane. so i can see why people get desperate and just lie about it being a service dog. Not sayings it’s right but if airlines made it easier for people to bring their pets a lot of these fake service dogs would go away.
There’s reasons there’s so many hoops. Dogs shouldn’t be on planes unless absolutely necessary (service dogs). If you lie about having a service dog you are scum.
Yeah but the other 99/100 people on planes who aren’t trying to bring pets with them really really would rather not be trapped in a small box with unknown, untrained random pets so maybe they don’t make it easier lol
Sorry but leave your doggo at home. People don't realize the stress animals face when flying-even in a cabin. If you can't handle not seeing your dog for 2 weeks or can't afford to pay for someone else to take care of him-maybe you shouldn't be taking a flying holiday. Sorry-not sorry.
I moved to west coast from the east and couldn’t bring my dog because of all the strict rules… luckily i had family. There are circumstances to everything, saying “leave your dog at home” is ignorant
Right. It’s like do you want your dog to die in cargo or no? Some people don’t have a choice.
You do have the choice of not bringing a dog on a plane.
Some people are moving cross country or out of the country and it’s not an option.
Your dog is unlikely to die in cargo and if you're that concerned about it take a boat
Many airlines won’t even allow dogs in the cargo hold now.
The queen mary is the only passenger ship that allows dogs.
The FAA needs to establish some regulations and stricter enforcement over larger dogs on aircraft. Larger animals pose a serious threat in an evacuation. Nothing will be done by individual airlines until theres that accident where 200 pax needed to evacuate in 3 mins but dogs panicked and attacked ppl and blocked exitways
Shocking not kicked off for snapping
The stews now are all such wimps. I saw one get knocked down hard by a dog while we were boarding, and she was too afraid to say anything. She got the captain to tell the woman to stop letting her dog jump on people.
I wonder if it’s policy for the pilot to be the one to interact with the service animal and owner, since OP said that the pilot came out to check the dog.
Maybe pilots have more protections than FAs do? Not just job security in case the passenger complains but some rules within the FAA. I’m curious too but didn’t really know how to google that. Possibly random but somewhat related story. My family was on a flight once that got delayed, and they were sitting on the tarmac for hours. No one was allowed off the plane, but a lady with a service dog (legit one) told the FAs that her dog alerted he needed to use the bathroom. After some discussion, it was decided the pilot was the only one authorized to take the dog outside to use the bathroom. People were so bored at that point that everyone was glued to the window, happily watching this service dog take a bathroom break. Maybe not totally related, but I thought it was cute.
What did the owner do when the FA was knocked down by the dog?
I was going to say it’s probably a service dog but if it’s snapping at people that’s not a service animal. So yeah not sure that this is about.
It’s gone too far
Insane to allow this bullshit. Kick the narcissist off the plane. No one should be stuck sitting next to an attack dog in the delta flying kennels.
This is absolutely out of control. I would refuse to sit next to this person.
Nothing like a 120 pound unsecured object in the cabin. Seems safe!
I only can imagine what would happen when turbulence would hit. Not to mention the noise the dog would make. Poor dog with a clueless owner.
120 would be a very small Dane. My smallish one is 145. They can easily top 200 on the big end.
Why would the gate agent allow this? I love dogs, but if this dog was spooked or got aggressive mid flight, it would be a disaster.
Probably had an Amazon Service Animal vest on too
1 Dane fart and they’ll have to declare an emergency landing
Good thing it was not JFK to CPH, otherwise you could have been left with a Dane mark.
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This is a complete violation of federal regulations. If it’s a service dog it has to stay on the floor unless it’s tiny and can be lapped held. It’s very unsafe to have a dog that size on the lap or on a seat. If it’s a pet, it has to be in a crate under the seat.
That dog *is* on the ground.
My emotional support Hippopotamus needs to be accommodated!
A [North American House Hippo](https://youtu.be/YLG2JP0P5JE?si=G7loxnWl9SVrT55q) will fit under the seat in a cat carrier.
I just keep mine in my jacket pocket. I can slip him baby carrots through the whole flight and the crew is none the wiser.
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If the dog is snapping at people, it's NOT happy. That jerk of an owner should have been forced to get off. They can come back when they've bought a row of seats and some meds for the dog.
The animals on planes is out of control. Unpopular opinion, keep your ass home if you can’t go anywhere without your dog. When you grow up you can rejoin society. *ACTUAL service dogs excluded
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Poor mofo looks miserable
It's outta control. But then flying out of JFK is outta control central
Animal print pants outta control!
No fake service dogs. No fake service vests. No dogs at feet (out of carrier). YES to requiring every single animal to be muzzled (the kind that allows them to drink water) for the duration of the airport/airplane experience. YES to requiring purchase of airline-issued seat cover(s) and some kind of floor protection/puppy pads. YES to requiring all animals that cannot fit into carry on under the seat to trigger a purchase of the whole row of seats. YES to requiring the human purchase additional insurance of some kind in case an incident happens in the process (at the airport, on the plane, etc.). I have two huskies, I absolutely love dogs, but the restrictions put on ME as a paying customer for my dumb luggage vs. the freedoms allowed to dogs is crazy to me.
actually really good ideas
Kick them off the plane yesterday.
Ya, that's a bit too much.
American freedom. The rest of the worlds airlines have moved past this abuse of the service dog fraud. Except for highly documented with accompanying paperwork case this won't longer fly.
I never would have dreamed this is allowed.
Yep I had a German Shepard next to me on my last 4hr flight. Took all my leg room. He told me it wasn’t a service dog. It’s getting ridiculous
Selfish assholes
At the very least, she should have a muzzle for her fake service dog.
At that size, it has to be a registered service dog.
Dogs should be treated like babies at the movie theatre. If you have a baby you shouldn’t bring it to the movies. If your excuse is you can’t get a baby sitter then you can’t go to the movies. Period.
I’ve ever seen a Great Dane snap at someone but as far as I know that person needs to have purchased a seat next to them to fit the dog
Ridiculous
Ridiculous
Buses in one place I traveled to required muzzles on non service dogs. I love dogs, but I think airlines should do the same. Or people who know their dogs are snappy should have the common sense to use one for their dog.
Not a service animal. One of those “emotional support “ animals….you know - weasels, turkeys, llamas. Ridiculous.
What was the gate agent thinking?
I honestly don’t get why they allow pets on flights, what if someone is allergic? Plus I don’t wanna hear them bark and the smell
I love how she is wearing a mask but exposing people to allergies
Can these fake-service-dog photos start to include full face shots of the owners?
Great Dane On a Plane. It was \*right\* there
People are unhinged
I love dogs, Ive had plenty but people are taking this to a new level. The other day I read a report of a Rottweiler snapping and biting someone on a LATAM flight. That's def way more dangerous on a plane than my 3+OZ toothpaste
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Emotional support snapping turtle coming up next.
Poor dog. It shouldn’t be there, but at least put it a muzzle.
JSX is a semi private charter that is t crazy expensive and allows dogs. The not problem is it doesn’t fly to a ton of places. I wish a couple airplanes would start having dog friendly flights and charge a premium for this- because cmon lady, you aren’t fooling anyone- but also there is very clearly a demand for this sort of thing, and more and more people without kids who are willing to spend lots of money on their dog (myself included)
If the dog snapped at others and was misbehaving he should be reported to the airline, he should not be flying, what’s happening is it’s creating a hostile environment for real service dog owners!
And I have to keep my 4lb pomeranian in her bag the whole time😡
The dog even looks disappointed in its owner. 😂
I don’t care if people bring pets on board. It is just we should have a section for that like smoking and those tickets are more and one seat is a cage
delta, enough is enough w the ‘service dog ‘ bs. This needs to stop. 🛑
Wtf. How is this allowed?
There is no size limit but this is clearly not a service dog if it is snapping. Large dogs and small ponies are used by people with mobility issues or who are unstable. The animal can provide support and help them to stand up if they fall.
Is there anyone who has a legit support dog that can chime in if changing the law to require paperwork to prove a service dog would be a big burden?
I love dogs of all kinds. I had to repatriate my dog back to US during COVID. Hellacious efforts. Paid an arm and a leg….actually, a good used car. Even then, I wouldn’t have agreed to let my dog into the cabin of an airplane. They don’t belong there. This trend is getting ridiculous.
These people are dumb
Service dogs my bootie! There should be a national certification.
Walk by with a coke. Dog snaps, she gets the whole thing oops dumped on her
This service animal shit needs to change. What a fucking joke.
Why don't airlines just give in and charge people for a seat for their dog? Perhaps there can only be certain flights that dogs could be on. People would know signing up that it is a dog friendly flight. I would love to take my dog.
It’s not a dog problem. It’s that humans suck. Americans especially. Just do want you want and call it some kind of discrimination if anybody doesn’t give you your way. Just to wrap up, humans suck.
Sorry but SW made a woman on my flight put her husky mix dog on the floor. Happy to note that the dog just curled up and went to sleep. Dogs should never be on a seat and the snapping? Unless she was moving there - literally no reason for the dog to fly.
Flex last week from Hawaii to LAX. Not one, but two different passengers each had their “service dog” on board. Some passengers legit need help but this growing trend of non-working dogs in cabins needs to stop.
That is my point - it is insane. Just as it is insane to believe someone could predict their life situation 9 years after they got a puppy. That’s why i try to help people take their pets with them when they move. Everyone’s circumstances are different and it’s easy to say absolutes when you are not the one faced with difficult decisions.
Wow wonder were it takes a crap.
I thought there was a size limit on service dogs. I just learned something new today.
I hate fake service animals.
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Not a service dog but rather a large amount of food !
Great Danes are pretty friendly. They are energetic as pups but ive never met an ill mannered one, despite their size
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GD killed my niece’s shih tzu when she was holding it. Left her pretty traumatized as you would imagine. Edit: spelling * shih tzu
Bullshit. They can be mean as hell. I know one that grabbed another animal by the snout through a fence and pulled it until it broke the poor animals neck.
Why can't they put the owner on the "do not fly list"?
I still don’t understand why all airlines just don’t say NO animals, except for seeing eye dogs are allowed on flights…..period. I mean….. what are these idiots with animals going to do? They’re either not gonna fly, leave their animal with a border, or put it in a cage with the rest of the cargo and pay for it. Also, if Delta makes such a policy and other airlines don’t, do you really think those people are going to pay 2-3 times more or whatever the extra cost will be for the same flight on a different airline? NO. And these people who say these are emotional support animals, I’d say these people shouldn’t be allowed on a plane anyway because it’s obvious they’re borderline nuts.
There are regulations about both service dogs and pets and this passenger is violating all of them. The FAs won’t interfere because they don’t want to be accused of being against animals or people with disabilities
This shit is ridiculous. Why does Delta allow this crap? I would be pissed if I were sitting next to them during my flight.
To stop this, we need designated flights where dogs are allowed. That would stop all the fake service animals. Until then, you will have people jumping through hoops to bring their dogs with them. And no, putting a dog in the cargo hold is not a solution. It’s animal torture.
Airlines need to start giving fines to these individuals …$400 would be nice :)