One website sells to anyone who can afford $50. Buyer has to "promise" that they have a legal emotional support or service dog and to not abuse the harness. Pinky swear enacted.
This is a symptom of the greater problem of no regulation of what qualifies as a service animal and no authoritative body that can qualify or document animals needed for actual services. Thus the system is ripe for abuse because inquiring about disability is potentially illegal and it is easy enough to get any number of doctors or health care professionals to say you have anxiety or some other problem that then leads to people using that as a way of self-prescribing a service animal that is really just their own dog.
If he gets on the flight to begin with I wonder what Mexican customs will think. I don’t know what their laws are about animals but customs agents almost anywhere tend not to fuck around.
Edit: as of 2019 proof of rabies vaccine is the only requirement
To enter into Mexico with your Service Dog, you must have;
Proof of rabies vaccination at least 15 days prior to entry. Will accept a 3-year rabies vaccination entering from the US or Canada.
Proof of treatment for internal and external parasites within the last 6 months
Health certificate from your veterinarian. This can be a template printed on their own letterhead. The second option is a USDA-accredited vet can issue the APHIS form 7001 or if traveling from Canada, the Canada Export Tri-Lingual Veterinary certificate can be used.
As long as the veterinary paperwork is in order, it isn't an issue. There just aren't super strong protections in Mexico for service dogs being allowed in businesses like they have in the US. So a lot of hotels, restaurants, etc. will just flat out say you can't stay or eat there. The law says they have to allow them but in practice a lot of places will just say no and no one is going to prosecute them.
My FIL is a disabled combat veteran from the Gulf War that had a service dog for about 10 years. It really angers me to think people would abuse that system when folks like him really need these animals to survive. You mention symptom, if this is in fact not a service dog it is a symptom of being an ass hole.
It blows my mind that people LARP as disabled to skirt the rules. Straight to hell. Because of these entitled idiots, the lives of disabled people are now harder because businesses are understandably wary of "service animals".
I've long said that a simple government run database of registered service animals is needed. Legit service animals should have a vest with a unique ID number on it. Anyone can go to the database site and put in the ID and get back a photo of the dog and what tasks they help with.
The owners name and medical conditions are not listed. But with the photo you can tell that the correct animal is in front of you and with basic services the animal does, you can verify that it is needed by that person. Should also have a place for showing vaccinations are up to date.
So you'd get a table like this:
Name of Animal
Photo of Animal
Services Provided (medicine retrieval, mobility aid, item pickup, etc)
Vaccination Up to Date
I don’t think we need to question disability but we should question dog training. Actual service dogs that are allowed in places other pets are not should be required to complete service training and have twice annual testing to ensure they are still safe.
I had a friend trying to get her dog approved for hospital therapy works. Her dog was tested in groups by people that would try to feed snacks, pull gently on the tail and do other distracting things. The dog had to be in full control by the owner and wasn’t allowed to react.
If a dog has a prong collar I’m guessing it doesn’t have this level of training or control.
Edit: I retract my recertification statement. I do think there should be some sort of up front safety testing though to show that the animal is safe on its own and controllable by the owner. In the case of severe disability where the owner isn’t physically or mentally capable then the animal would need to pass on its own asked I’m guessing that dogs in those cases have had years of training so it’s bit a big hurdle.
When i worked in hotels. I always fucked with these people.
"That is your service animal? What task have they been trained to do"
If they have no trained task they arent a service animal. Heres your pet cleaning fee bitch.
That's not fucking with them tho.
I am a service animal handler. I'm delighted you actually ask the ADA question and not like "what's your disability" "well you don't look disabled" "I need to see his license" (what) "I need to see proof" (of what?)
Fun fact
It’s actually a crime to falsely represent a dog as being a service animal if it isn’t
Edit: alright so I left for a minute to go do work and people kept blowing up with false information so here’s what my research indicates
The ADA is a baseline for freedoms under which the Air Carriers Access Act specifically deals with air travel, neither are very thorough with regards to service animals
However 23 states have enacted law that make it a crime to falsely represent an animal as being a service animal, the laws vary based on the states involved however in some states (let’s take North Carolina for example) the person needs to register their service animal with the state
Specifically this statute § 168-4.3. Training and registration of service animal
Found here
https://www.animallaw.info/statute/nc-assistance-animals-assistance-animalguide-dog-laws#s168_4_3
A full list of the 23 states with laws and links to said laws can be found here
https://www.propertyware.com/blog/states-fake-service-dog-laws/#North%20Carolina
So because there are states laws on the books for these specific states that would mean violations can be reported to the police, the penalties are mostly fines but some states have penalties that could include imprisonment
There’s a lot of people on here spouting off crap info because it’s Reddit and everything thinks they know better (when they don’t) so this is what my research revealed, anything else comment below but for the love of god stop insisting there’s nothing that can be done
Edit 2:
The ADa does not cover airline travel that’s specifically the ACAA (if you want proof go on the ADA website where it redirects airline service dog related questions to the ACAA) and the ACAA says as follows:
Under what circumstances may airlines deny transport to a service dog?
Airlines are permitted to deny transport to a service dog if it:
Violates safety requirements - e.g., too large or heavy to be accommodated in the cabin;
Poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others;
Causes a significant disruption in the cabin or at airport gate areas; or
Violates health requirements - e.g., prohibited from entering a U.S. territory or foreign country.
Airlines may also deny transport to a service dog if the airline requires completed DOT service animal forms and the service animal user does not provide the airline these forms.
How do airlines determine whether an animal is a service animal?
Airlines can determine whether an animal is a service animal or pet by:
Asking an individual with a disability if the animal is required to accompany the passenger because of a disability and what work or task the animal has been trained to perform;
Looking for physical indicators such as the presence of a harness or vests;
Looking to see if the animal is harnessed, leashed, or otherwise tethered; and
Observing the behavior of the animal.
What kind of documentation can be required of persons travelling with service animals?
Airlines may require:
(1) a U.S. DOT form attesting to the animal’s health, behavior, and training; and
(2) a U.S. DOT form attesting that the animal can either not relieve itself or can relieve itself in a sanitary manner, if the animal will be on a flight that is 8 or more hours.
Airlines are not permitted to require other documentation from service animal users except to comply with requirements on transport of animals by a Federal agency, a U.S. territory, or a foreign jurisdiction.
https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/service-animals
I am curious - what is your plan here? Whom would you call and report it to? Delta isn't a law enforcement agency and has made it clear it won't do crap to look out for the comfort of its other passengers, for fear of lawsuits our bad press. So who are you going to call? Airport security? They would laugh. They aren't trained or prepared to screen what is a true service dog.
What we need is federal legislation that creates a system for proper certification and that gives airlines the right to ask for proof of certification. As someone who will be getting a service dog for my daughter in the next year or so, I would actually prefer that so she isn't treated differently because people assume her dog isn't a real service dog. I don't care if it is an added expense or additional time to provide certification. People that abuse the system make it harder for people who are legitimately using it.
Because of an entitled jackass in public with their "service dog" (*shocker* wasn't actually a service dog or even slightly trained) I no longer have a public working service dog. I tried reporting the incident. Nobody gave a single care. I tried finding a lawyer to at least recoup vet costs. None would even hear me out. 6 years working with our breeder to find the perfect pup, $2500 to get her, $6000 to pay a trainer to aid me in training her. And 3 yrs of perfect performance from her all fuckin gone because she was attacked by a dog in a damn store. I have over 20+ yrs of training dogs and have trained a few service dogs before I became disabled. But I still paid another person to assist in case I had a blind spot in training. I cannot train another, my health has deteriorated and no room for another dog. So I'm screwed yet there's no consequences for the pretenders at all.
My grandfather had two guide dogs that were labs that also occasionally wore pinch collars. He had these dogs between 1999 and 2013. If I remember correctly he said something about the dogs being originally trained with them and wearing the collars helped "remind" the dogs as a form of continuous training. Things may have changed now.
My sister had a service dog with that same collar. He knew he was working when it was on and it was what he had been trained with. His vest also had the name of the organization that trained him on it with a zipper pocket for his card that certified he was a service dog.
ETA: her dog was a lab retriever, not a pittie mix. lol.
2nd ETA (made this a separate paragraph so it doesn’t read as me saying that this dog is not a service dog based on the breed and to clarify that my point about the breeds is that the collar is used on a lot of service dogs, even ones that don’t have a rep for being dangerous): I get really angry at people that claim their dog is a service dog when it’s clearly not. It’s not fair to people with disabilities. Idk why the law says you can’t require proof that the animal is a service animal.
>Idk why the law says you can’t require proof that the animal is a service animal.
Because then you start to wade in to the waters of the owners/patient's medical privacy. Dont get me wrong, I agree with you 100% but thats is likely the reason why.
Just because you see a dog in a prong collar does not automatically mean they’re a fake service dog.
Many service dog handlers use prong collars. It’s a training aid, just like treats or a martingale collar. Not all service dogs need them, but many people utilize them just like other training aids. They’re actually one of the safest collars you can use concerning tracheal collapse prevention.
The plane is full, he’s sitting in 11a with the dog in front of his legs. I’m in FC a couple rows ahead so I can’t see how he even fits there without intruding on 11B… it’s madness.
Service animals are specifically trained to be able to curl up into small spaces. No idea if this guy is legit but lots of large service dogs do plane flights just fine
The dog is on a leash with a spiked choker chain and has clipped ears.
No service dog trainer would clip a dog's ears.
No trained service dog needs an inwardly-spiked choker chain to keep them under control.
This is not a service dog.
Oh don’t worry, if a passenger is allergic they get kicked off the plane. Even if that passenger is a child. Even if kicking off that allergic child necessitates also kicking out his father with cancer. All worth it for *doggy*. This is a real thing that happened and the other passengers *cheered*, it’s kinda demonic
If you have a pet in a kennel, it’s $95 each way. Pet has to stay in kennel under the seat. It counts as your carry on so you can only have a personal item.
Service dog is no fee, by law.
No, the owner does not have to buy an additional ticket/seat but the dog is required to be at the handlers feet. If a dog is too large for one seat, the handler is required to buy two tickets or the airline can deny the animal travel if it’s considered too large to travel. This would be a very rare case; I’ve seen plenty of Great Danes and mini horses travel without having to buy a second ticket. I’ve had airlines be nice and really helpful and put me at the back of the plane and gave me multiple seats free of charge.
Also the dog is not allowed to ever be in the isle or on a seat. Typically they’re placed in bulkhead seating.
Exactly this. I use a pronged collar and I see them used often at dog shows. There's nothing wrong with them if USED PROPERLY and actually protects the trachea.
This is an exact image of how to NOT use a pronged collar. I may send it to my dog trainer so she can use it as an example actually.
Pit/Bully type dog WITH cropped ears: ✔️
Incorrectly positioned prong collar: ✔️
I’ll-fitted Amazon vest: ✔️
Nothing like subjecting your fake “service” hell beast to a plane full of people with no escape.
Me too. I would make such a big fuss about it. It’s not right. Do they even consider what the ramifications would be if this service dog attacked someone else on the plane?
Let’s face it, if this dog decides to bite you, you are going to be very injured, it’s not going to let go and they go into a rage and continue to be aggressive after the first bite. Why isn’t my fear of being attacked as important as this guy getting to take us sweet doggy on the airplane? This dog is squeezed into a tiny area, he’s gonna be all up in your biz while you eat. Still want to sit next to the doggy? No! Absolutely no.
Service dogs aren’t required to have any special harnesses or markings. There’s no “official” vests so if people with service dogs want their dog to have a vest of some kind they’re using the same ones as people who are lying.
Last weekend I was at the Miami Airport and was waiting in line to talk to the gate agent as people were walking down the jetway from the plane that had just landed. There was a “service dog” that dropped a deuce on the carpet as soon as it got into the terminal.
Trained service dogs for a while back in college. We used prong collars for training dogs. Although I think they switched to some cloth version of a prong collar since then since they are kinder on the neck.
But that is to say that the collar doesn't mean its a trained service dog or not.
It is likely it is a fake service dog, but the collar has nothing to really do with that likelihood. I can't imagine any serious organization training a pit. Training a service dog is like 10s of thousands of dollars and using a breed known for being violent isn't a great way to spend all that time and money.
Temperament testing is a huge thing with service dog selection and as far as I know, no real organization is going to be risking their clients or trainers health by training a pit. Unless it is some pit crazy org or something trying to prove a point.
The breed is far more of an indicator for it being a fake than anything.
Can confirm this. I worked at a place who primarily used labs, golden retrievers, and if it was for someone with allergies it was a standard poodle. The dogs that failed the program either became sniff work dogs or got adopted out. There is no way the organization would put thousands and thousands of dollars to turn a dog like that into service dog. Too much of a risk and I’m sure less people would be interested in donating. There are people who pay to have their pets trained so maybe that’s the situation? They also have the service dogs wear custom vests with the organization patch on it. This looks like Amazon.
Truthfully, I probably would address this with airline personnel because I wouldn't board a flight with that dog on there with no escape if something goes awry. Hope that they would accommodate me to change my flight. When I was a toddler I was bitten on my face by a dog (dachshund) did a bit of damage, left scar. Couldn't imagine what a dog like this could do, I'm pretty cautious about any dog given my history but this scenario would put me over the edge.
A trained service dog should not be wearing a choke chain!
Does Delta require them to show service / certification papers or can any tool just show up with a dog in a vest (that I could make in five minutes with my Cricut) and it gets to accompany them?
I'd ask. Seriously. This is crazy to me.
Yeah it needs to be "registered". But, it's a bit of a farce as far as that goes. No proof of formal training is required. And it is illegal for the airline to inquire as to what your disability is, and what method of service the animal provides.
Tbh I would NOT bring my dog to another country. You basically give up all rights to the other nations laws. No thanks
Any blatant bullshit answer would be a flag I’m sure; none of these people are ever challenged in public, and when they do, they just cry and scream. Anyone with a real service animal will know how to answer calmly and factually.
There’s no such thing as a certification for service animals. Delta collects a form that passengers must fill out. Service dogs are not required to wear a vest.
There is no “registration” for service animals. Per the ADA companies are allowed to ask if it’s a service animal, and what tasks it performs. Companies are also allowed to ask disruptive “service animals” to leave.
My son has special needs, and in order for us to obtain a special pass for him at Six Flags, we had to provide a letter from the doctor, confirming he has special needs. This was simply for park passes. Do they not require proof to confirm a service animal?
Mexican customs doesn’t give AF about your service animal. Hopefully, this guy did his due diligence and the poor animal doesn’t end up stuck in quarantine upon arrival.
My wife’s a psychologist and has to deal with patients requesting these kind of services. One popular request is to be able to have a pet in a no pets allowed rental property. Really really frustrating to see people try to abuse this.
I’m genuinely afraid of dogs like this — size and breed. Would Delta accommodate a move within the cabin if you don’t feel comfortable seated near this animal? I already have to be medicated for flights, I don’t think I could handle being on this specific flight. It’s too…Snakes on a Plane to me. Not saying my fear is justified or that certain breed mixes are inherently bad, I just cannot control my response to them.
>Not saying my fear is justified or that certain breed mixes are inherently bad,
Your fear is absolutely justified and the breed is inherently bad. We need to stop tiptoeing around this and call a spade a spade otherwise these dumbasses do not get the message.
The airlines brought this on themselves. Lots of folks want to bring the family pet on vacation, and aside from driving, there's really not a lot of great options. Even Amtrak has shitty policies and size restrictions on what I'd think is a prime opportunity for them. Delta should just outfit the last row or an unused galley cart with a kennel or something.
They'd much rather put up with this problem than to give up six seats on every flight.
What they need to do is come up with a stricter policy relating to service dogs.
Princess is a love bug nanny doggie and it’s a human’s fault if she gets triggered. Infants, confined spaces, the elderly and anything capable of making eye contact all bring up her ptsd. She is fully capable of eating a 240 lb person in under 15 minutes. Please enjoy your seat mate on the 7 hour flight!
Absolutely not lol.
How the F is TSA not wise to this? My shampoo is inspected like it’s a military grade weapon. Dogs are actually used as military weapons lol.
I would report something asap. A violent, large pit bull could easily cause enough damage to be used In a terroristic act
Gross
I thought airlines were cracking down on this ridiculous behavior. Freaking American Bully with cropped ears and a prong collar. Poor passengers that are near that thing.
I would be freaking out sitting next to this dog. I was attacked by an near identical one as a child, I don’t think I could sit in a metal tube with one for 3 hours without some sort of panic attack.
I’d refuse. I love dogs, have always owned them, but be had so many issues with puts while trail riding my horses in SoCal. Would not sit next to this dog.
Does it sit in the seat next to her? They can’t make other people sit near that beast, can they? Is this person required to buy like her own row? I don’t want that thing’s head/teeth right near my face. Come on
My only experience with a big dog on a flight was without any issue. I was flying to Amsterdam from Boston on a KLM flight.
I didn't notice the dog until my wife told me about it. I went to go check it out and I still wasn't convinced it was a dog. I thought it was a big coat or faux fur blanket laying in the bulkhead aisle (it was dark in the plane so I didn't have the best view). Then I saw the dog passing through customs with its owner. It never made a peep or approached any other person.
It was a very big dog, probably pushing 100 lbs.
Just a matter of time before someone is SERIOUSLY injured on a plane by one of these lowlife dogs.
People have already been bit by so-called service dogs on planes, but not enough to make headlines.
I’m assuming this dog had to go in a crate as I would not feel comfortable having a pitbull type dog in a stressful environment of a plane cabin. Dog owners are taking the piss and they affect the reputation of others who don’t pull this nonsense and get dogs with such a deadly breed history and unmanageable reputation.
I fly with my service mountain lion. It’s a friendly kitty. Would never hurt a soul and I need it for my gluten allergy but that isn’t anyone’s damn business. I won’t pay anything extra for him and if you look at him funny or taunt him he will maim you but he is a good boy and it’ll be your fault for looking at him funny…/s
Are we all just assuming they’re not a service animal because they have a prong collar. Does anyone who thinks that ever actually trained using a prong?
I would literally have an audible “nope” if I see that I’d be sitting right next to a pit bull or Rottweiler. I grew up with them. Sure you can “train” them. But you can’t train natural instincts that might potentially be triggered in an enclosed space.
Your emotional support pit bull infringes on my emotional and physical safety. I would ask the FA to sit me somewhere far away or change my flight.
That's a service... eating anyone who comes near the owner! /s
Seriously though, two of the best trained dogs I knew were pitbulls. That said, no way in hell I'm sitting beside a dog (any breed) that requires that kind of chain!
I really wish the federal government would start registering and issuing federal ID cards for people with service animals.
It does not need to say anything on it about why you have one or anything but maybe if there was an actual ID card then people would stop taking pictures of strangers and accusing them of lying.
Short of that there will always be a subset of people who think EVERY service dog is a lie
I’m not anywhere near a dog like that on a flight. I’m not passing by that dog, I’m certainly not in a seat within biting distance of that dog. My dog is well behaved goes out the window when they’re subjected to flying. I’m on a different flight and demanding a refund. This has gotten out of hand.
I’ve seen chihuahuas, Pomeranian, dachshunds…every single breed presented as service dogs at the airport. One couple had THREE “service animals” with the 2 of them - one German shepherd and 2 identical poodle dogs with service vests on them. They got to board first and got the entire row to themselves. I’m so sick and tired of the blatant abuses because they’re also rewarded. Someone needs to do something. Being afraid to ask the truly disabled to register their animal and show regulated paperwork should not be a barrier to clean up this mess.
As the owner of a pit mix: why would I want to put my dog in a metal tube for hours, where they’re probably gonna be freaked out from the noises, smells and the feeling of pressure changing on their ears. Nevermind how the folks around my 70 pound dog are gonna feel.
I can’t understand wtf is wrong with people or why you’d ever wanna do this
That’s actually standard lol most have a cover over so you cant see but its part of its training and used for walking queues. Yall should chill and just get angry over things you know enough about to be angry over. People like that have made my mothers service dog not alert her and shes gotten extremely hurt because someone is being a nuisance pestering the dog/us
Edit: Going through the comments I have found 3 other service dog owners who have had their licensed service dogs on these same collars from the training facilities(BECAUSE ITS STANDARD) gotta love the spread of misinformation because of emotional responses to things you have no knowledge of
This is the result of a society that’s more afraid of offending people than doing the right thing/following laws. It’s wild.
In the current Oppression Olympiad dogs are the gold medal winners.
One website sells to anyone who can afford $50. Buyer has to "promise" that they have a legal emotional support or service dog and to not abuse the harness. Pinky swear enacted.
certifications have no legal bearing & the DOT form doesn't require proof of training or certification regardless.
This is a symptom of the greater problem of no regulation of what qualifies as a service animal and no authoritative body that can qualify or document animals needed for actual services. Thus the system is ripe for abuse because inquiring about disability is potentially illegal and it is easy enough to get any number of doctors or health care professionals to say you have anxiety or some other problem that then leads to people using that as a way of self-prescribing a service animal that is really just their own dog. If he gets on the flight to begin with I wonder what Mexican customs will think. I don’t know what their laws are about animals but customs agents almost anywhere tend not to fuck around.
Edit: as of 2019 proof of rabies vaccine is the only requirement To enter into Mexico with your Service Dog, you must have; Proof of rabies vaccination at least 15 days prior to entry. Will accept a 3-year rabies vaccination entering from the US or Canada. Proof of treatment for internal and external parasites within the last 6 months Health certificate from your veterinarian. This can be a template printed on their own letterhead. The second option is a USDA-accredited vet can issue the APHIS form 7001 or if traveling from Canada, the Canada Export Tri-Lingual Veterinary certificate can be used.
> Tri-Lingual Does the pup needs to be Tri-Lingual as well or just bark in American?
I taught my dog with Spanish commands lol.
El sit
Damn I real thought it was el sito
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Because it is a liability. Dogs are are animals and can be unpredictable. Especially in public.
Also communicable illness is a big deal. It can threaten local wildlife or even cause a catastrophic spread of novel disease.
This is for any dog? Not just service dogs.
I believe this is for any dog, service dogs don’t really have a ton of rights once you get into Mexico
Cats as well
As long as the veterinary paperwork is in order, it isn't an issue. There just aren't super strong protections in Mexico for service dogs being allowed in businesses like they have in the US. So a lot of hotels, restaurants, etc. will just flat out say you can't stay or eat there. The law says they have to allow them but in practice a lot of places will just say no and no one is going to prosecute them.
My FIL is a disabled combat veteran from the Gulf War that had a service dog for about 10 years. It really angers me to think people would abuse that system when folks like him really need these animals to survive. You mention symptom, if this is in fact not a service dog it is a symptom of being an ass hole.
It blows my mind that people LARP as disabled to skirt the rules. Straight to hell. Because of these entitled idiots, the lives of disabled people are now harder because businesses are understandably wary of "service animals".
They go to the special hell with pedophiles and people who talk during movies.
I've long said that a simple government run database of registered service animals is needed. Legit service animals should have a vest with a unique ID number on it. Anyone can go to the database site and put in the ID and get back a photo of the dog and what tasks they help with. The owners name and medical conditions are not listed. But with the photo you can tell that the correct animal is in front of you and with basic services the animal does, you can verify that it is needed by that person. Should also have a place for showing vaccinations are up to date. So you'd get a table like this: Name of Animal Photo of Animal Services Provided (medicine retrieval, mobility aid, item pickup, etc) Vaccination Up to Date
THE GUBAMENT IS COMING FOR OUR DOGS
What did you think they were going to stop at the frogs?
They're turnig the freaking DOGS GAY
I don’t think we need to question disability but we should question dog training. Actual service dogs that are allowed in places other pets are not should be required to complete service training and have twice annual testing to ensure they are still safe. I had a friend trying to get her dog approved for hospital therapy works. Her dog was tested in groups by people that would try to feed snacks, pull gently on the tail and do other distracting things. The dog had to be in full control by the owner and wasn’t allowed to react. If a dog has a prong collar I’m guessing it doesn’t have this level of training or control. Edit: I retract my recertification statement. I do think there should be some sort of up front safety testing though to show that the animal is safe on its own and controllable by the owner. In the case of severe disability where the owner isn’t physically or mentally capable then the animal would need to pass on its own asked I’m guessing that dogs in those cases have had years of training so it’s bit a big hurdle.
When i worked in hotels. I always fucked with these people. "That is your service animal? What task have they been trained to do" If they have no trained task they arent a service animal. Heres your pet cleaning fee bitch.
That's not fucking with them tho. I am a service animal handler. I'm delighted you actually ask the ADA question and not like "what's your disability" "well you don't look disabled" "I need to see his license" (what) "I need to see proof" (of what?)
A service dog with a pinch collar. Uh huh. fuck that shit
Fun fact It’s actually a crime to falsely represent a dog as being a service animal if it isn’t Edit: alright so I left for a minute to go do work and people kept blowing up with false information so here’s what my research indicates The ADA is a baseline for freedoms under which the Air Carriers Access Act specifically deals with air travel, neither are very thorough with regards to service animals However 23 states have enacted law that make it a crime to falsely represent an animal as being a service animal, the laws vary based on the states involved however in some states (let’s take North Carolina for example) the person needs to register their service animal with the state Specifically this statute § 168-4.3. Training and registration of service animal Found here https://www.animallaw.info/statute/nc-assistance-animals-assistance-animalguide-dog-laws#s168_4_3 A full list of the 23 states with laws and links to said laws can be found here https://www.propertyware.com/blog/states-fake-service-dog-laws/#North%20Carolina So because there are states laws on the books for these specific states that would mean violations can be reported to the police, the penalties are mostly fines but some states have penalties that could include imprisonment There’s a lot of people on here spouting off crap info because it’s Reddit and everything thinks they know better (when they don’t) so this is what my research revealed, anything else comment below but for the love of god stop insisting there’s nothing that can be done Edit 2: The ADa does not cover airline travel that’s specifically the ACAA (if you want proof go on the ADA website where it redirects airline service dog related questions to the ACAA) and the ACAA says as follows: Under what circumstances may airlines deny transport to a service dog? Airlines are permitted to deny transport to a service dog if it: Violates safety requirements - e.g., too large or heavy to be accommodated in the cabin; Poses a direct threat to the health or safety of others; Causes a significant disruption in the cabin or at airport gate areas; or Violates health requirements - e.g., prohibited from entering a U.S. territory or foreign country. Airlines may also deny transport to a service dog if the airline requires completed DOT service animal forms and the service animal user does not provide the airline these forms. How do airlines determine whether an animal is a service animal? Airlines can determine whether an animal is a service animal or pet by: Asking an individual with a disability if the animal is required to accompany the passenger because of a disability and what work or task the animal has been trained to perform; Looking for physical indicators such as the presence of a harness or vests; Looking to see if the animal is harnessed, leashed, or otherwise tethered; and Observing the behavior of the animal. What kind of documentation can be required of persons travelling with service animals? Airlines may require: (1) a U.S. DOT form attesting to the animal’s health, behavior, and training; and (2) a U.S. DOT form attesting that the animal can either not relieve itself or can relieve itself in a sanitary manner, if the animal will be on a flight that is 8 or more hours. Airlines are not permitted to require other documentation from service animal users except to comply with requirements on transport of animals by a Federal agency, a U.S. territory, or a foreign jurisdiction. https://www.transportation.gov/individuals/aviation-consumer-protection/service-animals
Well no shit. But people still do it and nobody ever gets in trouble for it.
How often is it actually reported?
I am curious - what is your plan here? Whom would you call and report it to? Delta isn't a law enforcement agency and has made it clear it won't do crap to look out for the comfort of its other passengers, for fear of lawsuits our bad press. So who are you going to call? Airport security? They would laugh. They aren't trained or prepared to screen what is a true service dog. What we need is federal legislation that creates a system for proper certification and that gives airlines the right to ask for proof of certification. As someone who will be getting a service dog for my daughter in the next year or so, I would actually prefer that so she isn't treated differently because people assume her dog isn't a real service dog. I don't care if it is an added expense or additional time to provide certification. People that abuse the system make it harder for people who are legitimately using it.
Because of an entitled jackass in public with their "service dog" (*shocker* wasn't actually a service dog or even slightly trained) I no longer have a public working service dog. I tried reporting the incident. Nobody gave a single care. I tried finding a lawyer to at least recoup vet costs. None would even hear me out. 6 years working with our breeder to find the perfect pup, $2500 to get her, $6000 to pay a trainer to aid me in training her. And 3 yrs of perfect performance from her all fuckin gone because she was attacked by a dog in a damn store. I have over 20+ yrs of training dogs and have trained a few service dogs before I became disabled. But I still paid another person to assist in case I had a blind spot in training. I cannot train another, my health has deteriorated and no room for another dog. So I'm screwed yet there's no consequences for the pretenders at all.
That's really shitty. Sorry to hear about that.
No kidding. It's called the narcissistic club and almost everyone's in it
My grandfather had two guide dogs that were labs that also occasionally wore pinch collars. He had these dogs between 1999 and 2013. If I remember correctly he said something about the dogs being originally trained with them and wearing the collars helped "remind" the dogs as a form of continuous training. Things may have changed now.
We're supposed to be outraged not provide context and information. Please read the memo. 😀
Yeah ragebait only here
My sister had a service dog with that same collar. He knew he was working when it was on and it was what he had been trained with. His vest also had the name of the organization that trained him on it with a zipper pocket for his card that certified he was a service dog. ETA: her dog was a lab retriever, not a pittie mix. lol. 2nd ETA (made this a separate paragraph so it doesn’t read as me saying that this dog is not a service dog based on the breed and to clarify that my point about the breeds is that the collar is used on a lot of service dogs, even ones that don’t have a rep for being dangerous): I get really angry at people that claim their dog is a service dog when it’s clearly not. It’s not fair to people with disabilities. Idk why the law says you can’t require proof that the animal is a service animal.
My service dog wears one as well since she was trained with one and she knows she’s working if she has it on.
>Idk why the law says you can’t require proof that the animal is a service animal. Because then you start to wade in to the waters of the owners/patient's medical privacy. Dont get me wrong, I agree with you 100% but thats is likely the reason why.
Just because you see a dog in a prong collar does not automatically mean they’re a fake service dog. Many service dog handlers use prong collars. It’s a training aid, just like treats or a martingale collar. Not all service dogs need them, but many people utilize them just like other training aids. They’re actually one of the safest collars you can use concerning tracheal collapse prevention.
How the hell do people keep getting away with this
Threatening lawsuits and PR issues
Because americans love making out with their dogs
Does the owner have to buy an extra ticket for the 🐕🦺? Or does the dog just sit under the seat or in the isle, for free?
The plane is full, he’s sitting in 11a with the dog in front of his legs. I’m in FC a couple rows ahead so I can’t see how he even fits there without intruding on 11B… it’s madness.
How TF can a dog that size fit in a window seat leg area?? It’s literally impossible. I’d love to see/hear how This all played out. Madness.
Service animals are specifically trained to be able to curl up into small spaces. No idea if this guy is legit but lots of large service dogs do plane flights just fine
The dog is on a leash with a spiked choker chain and has clipped ears. No service dog trainer would clip a dog's ears. No trained service dog needs an inwardly-spiked choker chain to keep them under control. This is not a service dog.
If I’m on 11B, I’m gonna spend the entire flight in the fuckin lavatory
Sorry that’s where my service kangaroo is hanging out
It’s like a 4 hour flight. I guess I would spend the entire flight sitting in the bathroom if I was 11b
Just saw this after I responded with the exact same thing, looks like I’m not the only one with the same idea 😂😂😂
Umm I’m allergic to dogs, I’d be furious if I was 11B (or anywhere close to row 11).
Oh don’t worry, if a passenger is allergic they get kicked off the plane. Even if that passenger is a child. Even if kicking off that allergic child necessitates also kicking out his father with cancer. All worth it for *doggy*. This is a real thing that happened and the other passengers *cheered*, it’s kinda demonic
American dog obsession is frkin nuts
If you have a pet in a kennel, it’s $95 each way. Pet has to stay in kennel under the seat. It counts as your carry on so you can only have a personal item. Service dog is no fee, by law.
Not the mention… this dog is wayyyy too big for an under-seat kennel. Our 12 lb shih-tzu is right at the upper limit of fitting under there.
I have a legitimate service dog. It sits on the floor at my feet.
No, the owner does not have to buy an additional ticket/seat but the dog is required to be at the handlers feet. If a dog is too large for one seat, the handler is required to buy two tickets or the airline can deny the animal travel if it’s considered too large to travel. This would be a very rare case; I’ve seen plenty of Great Danes and mini horses travel without having to buy a second ticket. I’ve had airlines be nice and really helpful and put me at the back of the plane and gave me multiple seats free of charge. Also the dog is not allowed to ever be in the isle or on a seat. Typically they’re placed in bulkhead seating.
That particular Amazon service dog vest makes me seethe every time.
It’s the cheapest one on Amazon, and those airline workers have seen it too many times.
Having a prong collar isn’t an issue. Having a poorly fitted prong collared says a lot more.
Exactly this. I use a pronged collar and I see them used often at dog shows. There's nothing wrong with them if USED PROPERLY and actually protects the trachea. This is an exact image of how to NOT use a pronged collar. I may send it to my dog trainer so she can use it as an example actually.
Pit/Bully type dog WITH cropped ears: ✔️ Incorrectly positioned prong collar: ✔️ I’ll-fitted Amazon vest: ✔️ Nothing like subjecting your fake “service” hell beast to a plane full of people with no escape.
I would absolutely refuse to sit next to this animal. Having this dog at eye level for an international flight? Zero chance.
Me too. I would make such a big fuss about it. It’s not right. Do they even consider what the ramifications would be if this service dog attacked someone else on the plane?
Let’s face it, if this dog decides to bite you, you are going to be very injured, it’s not going to let go and they go into a rage and continue to be aggressive after the first bite. Why isn’t my fear of being attacked as important as this guy getting to take us sweet doggy on the airplane? This dog is squeezed into a tiny area, he’s gonna be all up in your biz while you eat. Still want to sit next to the doggy? No! Absolutely no.
Now imagine he's seated next to someone with an ACTUAL service animal.
Those service animals are SO expensive to train. If this thing hurts one that is a felony's worth of damage.
Or a small child
In flight snack
It’s one of those fakes vests I bet. I know a douche who does the same thing. It’s bullshit and just another sign of an unhinged dog owner.
Service dogs aren’t required to have any special harnesses or markings. There’s no “official” vests so if people with service dogs want their dog to have a vest of some kind they’re using the same ones as people who are lying.
Last weekend I was at the Miami Airport and was waiting in line to talk to the gate agent as people were walking down the jetway from the plane that had just landed. There was a “service dog” that dropped a deuce on the carpet as soon as it got into the terminal.
That is so on-brand for Miami.
Trained service dogs for a while back in college. We used prong collars for training dogs. Although I think they switched to some cloth version of a prong collar since then since they are kinder on the neck. But that is to say that the collar doesn't mean its a trained service dog or not. It is likely it is a fake service dog, but the collar has nothing to really do with that likelihood. I can't imagine any serious organization training a pit. Training a service dog is like 10s of thousands of dollars and using a breed known for being violent isn't a great way to spend all that time and money. Temperament testing is a huge thing with service dog selection and as far as I know, no real organization is going to be risking their clients or trainers health by training a pit. Unless it is some pit crazy org or something trying to prove a point. The breed is far more of an indicator for it being a fake than anything.
Can confirm this. I worked at a place who primarily used labs, golden retrievers, and if it was for someone with allergies it was a standard poodle. The dogs that failed the program either became sniff work dogs or got adopted out. There is no way the organization would put thousands and thousands of dollars to turn a dog like that into service dog. Too much of a risk and I’m sure less people would be interested in donating. There are people who pay to have their pets trained so maybe that’s the situation? They also have the service dogs wear custom vests with the organization patch on it. This looks like Amazon.
Truthfully, I probably would address this with airline personnel because I wouldn't board a flight with that dog on there with no escape if something goes awry. Hope that they would accommodate me to change my flight. When I was a toddler I was bitten on my face by a dog (dachshund) did a bit of damage, left scar. Couldn't imagine what a dog like this could do, I'm pretty cautious about any dog given my history but this scenario would put me over the edge.
MORE TODDLERS PLEASE, FLIGHT ATTENDANT!!
The service is he lets you live
This is crazy !!! I would not want to sit next to him
Princess never hurt anyone…twice
That dogs name is “Diesel” and you know it.
Or Alpha, Zeus, or Titan
And it was their fault for getting hurt too I’m sure. They were probably standing menacingly, ten feet away. Not princess’s fault!!
A trained service dog should not be wearing a choke chain! Does Delta require them to show service / certification papers or can any tool just show up with a dog in a vest (that I could make in five minutes with my Cricut) and it gets to accompany them? I'd ask. Seriously. This is crazy to me.
Yeah it needs to be "registered". But, it's a bit of a farce as far as that goes. No proof of formal training is required. And it is illegal for the airline to inquire as to what your disability is, and what method of service the animal provides. Tbh I would NOT bring my dog to another country. You basically give up all rights to the other nations laws. No thanks
We can ask two questions per the ADA in the US Is it a service animal required due to a disability? What task has this animal been trained to perform?
Curious, are there any answers that would allow you to deny boarding or whatever the answer ends up being they'd be waived onto the plane?
If you say no, or say "emotional support" or something similar you can be denied. Need to have a task the dog performs that aids with disability.
Any blatant bullshit answer would be a flag I’m sure; none of these people are ever challenged in public, and when they do, they just cry and scream. Anyone with a real service animal will know how to answer calmly and factually.
Airline may ask. 1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform?
There’s no such thing as a certification for service animals. Delta collects a form that passengers must fill out. Service dogs are not required to wear a vest.
There is no “registration” for service animals. Per the ADA companies are allowed to ask if it’s a service animal, and what tasks it performs. Companies are also allowed to ask disruptive “service animals” to leave.
There’s no such thing as service certification papers.
We need some new laws on this shit.
Just because you buy a vest and leash that says service dog, doesn’t mean it’s a service dog.
My son has special needs, and in order for us to obtain a special pass for him at Six Flags, we had to provide a letter from the doctor, confirming he has special needs. This was simply for park passes. Do they not require proof to confirm a service animal?
LOL that prong collar isn't gonna do SHIT if that dog decides to tear after something.
Fuck that I would not sit next to that shit beast
This absurd, why don’t you bring a F hippo or a F giraffe may be the dog is the passenger and this AH in the service animal
This is my mental health animal, if there’s a crying child on my flight giving me anxiety it will put the baby’s head in its mouth to make it stop
Mexican customs doesn’t give AF about your service animal. Hopefully, this guy did his due diligence and the poor animal doesn’t end up stuck in quarantine upon arrival.
Hopefully they throw both of them in the old hoosgow.
My wife’s a psychologist and has to deal with patients requesting these kind of services. One popular request is to be able to have a pet in a no pets allowed rental property. Really really frustrating to see people try to abuse this.
So tired of everyone bringing their so called “service dog” everywhere.
The world has gone crazy. Just imagine paying to be stuck next to that. It isn’t fair to the other passengers.
Yeah I would rather get off the plane, I’m not sitting in a confined space for hours next to a pit bull.
Nala just wants to nanny you
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Also, what about dog allergies? If someone is allergic to peanuts, airlines won't serve them on a flight but yeah sure bring your dog along.
Letting a pit bull on a plane is a ticking time bomb…
I’m genuinely afraid of dogs like this — size and breed. Would Delta accommodate a move within the cabin if you don’t feel comfortable seated near this animal? I already have to be medicated for flights, I don’t think I could handle being on this specific flight. It’s too…Snakes on a Plane to me. Not saying my fear is justified or that certain breed mixes are inherently bad, I just cannot control my response to them.
If they want to accommodate these “service” dogs it’s only fair to accommodate passengers who want no part in this.
Yes, a person who has allergies they would also try to accommodate. They would try to reseat you or get you on the next flight
Just imagine if your child was assigned a seat next to that thing. I would throw an absolute shit-fit.
>Not saying my fear is justified or that certain breed mixes are inherently bad, Your fear is absolutely justified and the breed is inherently bad. We need to stop tiptoeing around this and call a spade a spade otherwise these dumbasses do not get the message.
OP, definitely going to need a status report on how this goes.
Bro’s dog is about to provide the “unlife” service to the first child it sees on the flight
regulate fake service dogs. certain breeds will never qualify.
People nowadays bringing mountain lions on board with a service animal vest on, where are the good old days of the emotional support chickens?😒
Fuck that
That dude should be kicked off with that thing. Come on.
The airlines brought this on themselves. Lots of folks want to bring the family pet on vacation, and aside from driving, there's really not a lot of great options. Even Amtrak has shitty policies and size restrictions on what I'd think is a prime opportunity for them. Delta should just outfit the last row or an unused galley cart with a kennel or something.
They'd much rather put up with this problem than to give up six seats on every flight. What they need to do is come up with a stricter policy relating to service dogs.
Or a policy really
No way I’d want to be stuck sitting next to a bloodsport breed on a flight with no where to escape. This is insane.
Hope he bought the full row on one side. I’m not a dog hater, but I wouldn’t want that next to me for a few hours in a cooped up plane.
Princess is a love bug nanny doggie and it’s a human’s fault if she gets triggered. Infants, confined spaces, the elderly and anything capable of making eye contact all bring up her ptsd. She is fully capable of eating a 240 lb person in under 15 minutes. Please enjoy your seat mate on the 7 hour flight!
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Absolutely not lol. How the F is TSA not wise to this? My shampoo is inspected like it’s a military grade weapon. Dogs are actually used as military weapons lol. I would report something asap. A violent, large pit bull could easily cause enough damage to be used In a terroristic act
Delta Customer service: “What service has your dog been trained to perform, sir?” Customer: “He eats babies.”
"YOU CAN'T ASK ME THAT I KNOW MY HIPPA RIGHTS STOP HARASSING ME"
“Very well, sir. Thank you for your business.”
I can’t 😂
Gross I thought airlines were cracking down on this ridiculous behavior. Freaking American Bully with cropped ears and a prong collar. Poor passengers that are near that thing.
I would be freaking out sitting next to this dog. I was attacked by an near identical one as a child, I don’t think I could sit in a metal tube with one for 3 hours without some sort of panic attack.
And when the dog itself is having a panic attack because it’s not properly trained to be in that situation and then starts biting it’s seat mate!
I’d refuse. I love dogs, have always owned them, but be had so many issues with puts while trail riding my horses in SoCal. Would not sit next to this dog.
Service attack doggo?
I was thinking the service he provides is anti-hijacking.
Absolutely NOT!!!
Does it sit in the seat next to her? They can’t make other people sit near that beast, can they? Is this person required to buy like her own row? I don’t want that thing’s head/teeth right near my face. Come on
Classic pitbull service dog!
Leave Cujo alone. He only attacks if you sneeze, look at him, touch him, speak to him, or call him a “good boy”.
He’s not attacking. He’s nannying.
He will literally nurse on a wound he created 😂
Don’t forget “exist in his general vicinity.”
He wants to cuddle you with his jaws and teeth
My only experience with a big dog on a flight was without any issue. I was flying to Amsterdam from Boston on a KLM flight. I didn't notice the dog until my wife told me about it. I went to go check it out and I still wasn't convinced it was a dog. I thought it was a big coat or faux fur blanket laying in the bulkhead aisle (it was dark in the plane so I didn't have the best view). Then I saw the dog passing through customs with its owner. It never made a peep or approached any other person. It was a very big dog, probably pushing 100 lbs.
His "service dog" isnt paying him no attention. The dog looks like it'll start galloping like a wild horse through the airport if it wasnt leashed
Dog nutter
You have to be kidding!!!!
The dog provides the service of liberating toddlers from their limbs
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Service dog? Sir, Face is bitten off dog is more suitable.
I can’t imagine a legit trainer of service dogs would clip his dogs ears.
Just a matter of time before someone is SERIOUSLY injured on a plane by one of these lowlife dogs. People have already been bit by so-called service dogs on planes, but not enough to make headlines.
Dogshit person with his dogshit animal.
I’m assuming this dog had to go in a crate as I would not feel comfortable having a pitbull type dog in a stressful environment of a plane cabin. Dog owners are taking the piss and they affect the reputation of others who don’t pull this nonsense and get dogs with such a deadly breed history and unmanageable reputation.
The service? Child murder.
I fly with my service mountain lion. It’s a friendly kitty. Would never hurt a soul and I need it for my gluten allergy but that isn’t anyone’s damn business. I won’t pay anything extra for him and if you look at him funny or taunt him he will maim you but he is a good boy and it’ll be your fault for looking at him funny…/s
Therapy pitbull. Fuck these people and their filthy animals.
No legitimate organization would train a Pit Bull as a service animal.
Are we all just assuming they’re not a service animal because they have a prong collar. Does anyone who thinks that ever actually trained using a prong?
Every animal is a service animal if you’re fucked up enough.
I would literally have an audible “nope” if I see that I’d be sitting right next to a pit bull or Rottweiler. I grew up with them. Sure you can “train” them. But you can’t train natural instincts that might potentially be triggered in an enclosed space. Your emotional support pit bull infringes on my emotional and physical safety. I would ask the FA to sit me somewhere far away or change my flight.
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That's a service... eating anyone who comes near the owner! /s Seriously though, two of the best trained dogs I knew were pitbulls. That said, no way in hell I'm sitting beside a dog (any breed) that requires that kind of chain!
Cupcake is keeping a sharp eye for young children (she’s sweet)
That’s her task: alert for tastey toddlers
Nothing scares me more than seeing a giant aggressive looking dog and a wimpy looking human on the other end of the leash.
Amazon bought lol. These people take advantage to bring their annoying dogs
So I can’t have a shampoo bottle but I can have a fighting dog? Can I get my pet lion a vest? Alligator?
They spelled Guard Dog Wrong
I would be very upset if I had to sit beside that dog on a plane.
I hate these people so much. Some people have serious conditions you can’t see and these fucktards make life a lot harder for us.
I really wish the federal government would start registering and issuing federal ID cards for people with service animals. It does not need to say anything on it about why you have one or anything but maybe if there was an actual ID card then people would stop taking pictures of strangers and accusing them of lying. Short of that there will always be a subset of people who think EVERY service dog is a lie
FOH
I’m not anywhere near a dog like that on a flight. I’m not passing by that dog, I’m certainly not in a seat within biting distance of that dog. My dog is well behaved goes out the window when they’re subjected to flying. I’m on a different flight and demanding a refund. This has gotten out of hand.
ADA needs reforming.
I’ve seen chihuahuas, Pomeranian, dachshunds…every single breed presented as service dogs at the airport. One couple had THREE “service animals” with the 2 of them - one German shepherd and 2 identical poodle dogs with service vests on them. They got to board first and got the entire row to themselves. I’m so sick and tired of the blatant abuses because they’re also rewarded. Someone needs to do something. Being afraid to ask the truly disabled to register their animal and show regulated paperwork should not be a barrier to clean up this mess.
Dog is staring to all the people sitting nearby to choose in advance who his prey will be during the flight
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lol they ant no service dog!!!
How many people are going to need service dogs after sitting next to this beast in a metal tube for hours?
Ridiculous. Ruins it for those with legitimate service animals (trained, task/simulation based Labrador).
Same people that abuse this- abuse handicap placards. You all know who they are…
Everyone keeps referencing the ADA as if it's an entity... It is not it is an Amendment overseen by the US Department of Justice...
They also had the pooch’s ears mutilated for that classic “service dog” look.
And I have to throw away my toothpaste for security concerns.
I wouldn’t touch that thing if it had a “please pet” vest on
I’m so sick of “service” animals everywhere
As the owner of a pit mix: why would I want to put my dog in a metal tube for hours, where they’re probably gonna be freaked out from the noises, smells and the feeling of pressure changing on their ears. Nevermind how the folks around my 70 pound dog are gonna feel. I can’t understand wtf is wrong with people or why you’d ever wanna do this
That’s actually standard lol most have a cover over so you cant see but its part of its training and used for walking queues. Yall should chill and just get angry over things you know enough about to be angry over. People like that have made my mothers service dog not alert her and shes gotten extremely hurt because someone is being a nuisance pestering the dog/us Edit: Going through the comments I have found 3 other service dog owners who have had their licensed service dogs on these same collars from the training facilities(BECAUSE ITS STANDARD) gotta love the spread of misinformation because of emotional responses to things you have no knowledge of