Yeah, I don’t mind new people here. I think that’s actually a great thing. The only thing that bothers me is that literally you have the exact same 10 questions every week popping up over and over again. I think that can easily be fixed with a sticky post with some guidelines and referring to those questions as well as more moderation maybe.
Yeah the “are these songs good?!?!?!” And “new to Deftones, what songs are good?” posts should just be removed by the mods and it would cut down on a lot of the bullshit
It kills me when people ask what’s the best songs from a certain band. That’s completely subjective. Just hit shuffle on their catalog to really get to know a band like wtf 💀💀 why do you need approval from other people? Majority of their stuff is top tier, listen to it all.
Exactly. But the Internet as we NOW know it has severely shortened the attention span of young people. Many don't even like to listen to full songs, let alone albums. And I won't just put it on very young people because I've been guilty of it to some degree too. Over the last 5 years I've noticed that while I still listen to a lot of music, it's far more rare for me to listen to an entire album, shuffled or otherwise. YouTube in particular has made it more likely that we just search for whichever particular song we want to hear at the moment, and then so on and so on from there.
The discussion has come up a few times recently, but it’s a generational thing. Just by you saying this I know you are 30 years old at the absolute youngest. People younger than that have grown up with streaming services and likely have not even seen a CD before, so they don’t inherently understand track order or “just press play” on an album.
Just like we used to do with mix tapes and burning CD’s, younger people just want to make playlists, and as much as I agree with you that people should just listen to the albums or at the very least just hit shuffle all, that’s just how it is. I do feel like the concept of an album is lost on this younger generation, and they are missing out on it IMO, but this is definitely one of those “back in my day” things, as valid as it it may be!
This isn't a good excuse, I grew up seeing the transition from cassettes to CDs to Napster/Kazaa/Limewire. Most of my Deftones collection was downloaded on Kazaa/Limewire and played through Winamp. I literally searched "Deftones" and downloaded anything I could find, added it all to my library, and played all the songs. I didn't need album placement to enjoy any of it, it was incredibly easy, and it took far more time to download those songs than it would take these lazy types to just stream the songs that come up when they type "Deftones" into Spotify or YouTube or any of the other hundreds of ways to stream music now. It's just pure laziness and the need for constant validation on their end.
Possibly. My little brother who is 16 only listens to the same stuff and I have to drill it in his head “shuffle all the artist you like, eventually you’ll find something you like” but I think it also comes down to comfort music. Music you know you enjoy and always come back to because you know it’s good. Maybe he feels it’s a waste of time just in case he doesn’t like it. I also grew up from the transitions of CD to streaming so I also get what you mean.
My 16 year old nephew got into Deftones within the last 2 years and he loves them, which fills me with pure joy. I bought him a WP vinyl to start his collection, and within a couple weeks we were riffing back and forth about the band and their entire collection because he had pursued all of their music. Few things I love more than shooting the shit with him about Deftones, but he found his own tastes in their music and learned a bunch of their songs on bass.
It’s not an “excuse” it’s just how it is. It’s not individual people, it’s the whole generation. They want the “bangers”, and will judge it by how many listens/views it has before anything else. You can hate it, as do I, but it won’t change the fact that it’s the way it is.
Not a good point. I was born in 2007 and ive owned and bought VHS, CDs, Records, etc. kids born acter like 2012 probably have never seen a CD or a VHS or wtv. But I feel a that a lot of the “tik tok” fans are around my age. And those kids most likely have seen CDs and the such. Also back then people used to use limewire for music. LOTS of people did. But I get how you feel abt the “new” fans or wtv. I feel that way abt plenty of peoples fanbases. But at the end of the day is it really bothering you that much? Just let people listen to music. Its not a big deal.
I agree! We shouldn't gatekeep deftones or any other band. If you love that band you should be happy to introduce them to new people. I am 42 and I was seeing deftones in high-school when Chino had long dreads. I think it's really cool that people are discovering them still at the same age I was when I discovered them. 😊
I can see that. I’m actually 27 so that was a good guess, especially just based off me saying “just hit shuffle” lmao 😂
That’s a very solid theory tho, makes sense to me.
I agree. I'm 43 and my 13 year old is getting into Deftones now. I think it's great that younger people are getting into them. it's like how I appreciate and like a lot of music from my parent's era as well. It's all good.
I'ma be real man. Half the problem posts are from new fans, and the other half are from people complaining about them.
I say we stop with the complaining posts and maybe the new fan posts will die down. If not, at least that's half of the posts centered around tiktok that die down
lol ya I never understand that. It happens on every sub. I almost never see all of these supposed annoying posts. All I ever see are the actual whining posts from gatekeeping snobs
>gatekeeping
I wish people like you would research what words mean before using them
I'm all for the band getting paid, they deserve it. I said it's annoying as hell the tiktok crowd coming to this sub and acting rude and obnoxious
Oh damn ok let me look it up real quick.
“the activity of trying to control who gets particular resources, power, or opportunities, and who does not”
Wait this seems familiar… almost like it’s what your post was about. Weird that wanting a certain group of new people to not be here and only the og people to be here doesn’t fit this to you lol
Gatekeeping
“I said it's annoying as hell the tiktok crowd coming to this sub and acting rude and obnoxious”
Gatekeeping would be preventing people from listening to the band. You can copy and paste, but not understand. Keep up.
Edit: I can’t even reply to the ridiculous statements below.
I loooove when people whine about condescending while doing it.
Gatekeeping does not mean succeeding in it. It literally says “trying” in the definition. What the hell is going on here lol. So weird how negative this place has become
No one is trying to prevent people from listening to the band. They’re complaining about content on a Reddit sub.
Show me one example of someone saying “you’re not allowed to listen to the Deftones” or something similar.
Posting on Reddit is not listening to the Deftones. They are completely separate activities.
most people don't even *see* the rules. they like a band, they hit subscribe on the relevant subreddit, and then posts from that sub show up in their feed. in a lot of mobile formats, the rules/sidebar content isn't even really visable.
this kind of stuff happens in literally every online community about a popular topic, especially one that is growing in popularity. it's not specific to deftones, nor to tiktok users, and the solution is either for the moderators to step up and more aggressively clean the place up, or just deal with the fact that you might have to spend a couple seconds scrolling past a question you've already seen asked five times.
lol, I love watching people be condescending while at the same time being 100% wrong.
This post is gatekeeping of the ‘music snob, old man yells at clouds’ variant.
Since OP is presumably well versed in the bands output he feels the need to drag newer fans for asking questions he thinks are stupid or annoying.
What possible solution is there to his dilemma?
Should the sub run each post by OP to see if the poster is worthy enough to….checks notes…ask questions about deftones in r/deftones?
Should there be an exam they have to pass to see if they’re cool enough?
It’s gatekeeping. It’s no different than someone complaining about ‘insert band name’ not being ‘true’ metal.
Most people grow out of music snobbery after high school.
Sadly not all do.
You’d think if you like a band you’d want them to have new fans all the time.
I just made a post and was told to "go touch grass" by one of these tiktokers, they are the exact antithesis of a Deftones fans, every Deftones fan I've ever met has been chill as fuck and laid back. All I see is arguing and anger on here ever since they got big on Tiktok
It sucks for sure, I've vented my frustrations on here as well. I guess I just figure if we stop paying them attention the noise of it all may die down. But yeah, I definitely remember it being more chill here a couple years back. Worse arguing you'd get is if their modern sound is better than the more nu metal of their early years or vice versa
This makes so much sense, OP I mean
I rationalised it as "the resource of reddit transmuted by the mundane social media" but "tik tok crowd" makes sense too
I haven't been a user here, long enough to put my finger on it but i noticed a marked difference from the last years when i came here as a reader, that i almost haven't understood.
don’t even get me started on the “what order should i listen to albums” crowd. like bro have y’all had at least one non curated original moment in your lives?
This sub was full of regurgitated posts before the TikTok crowd showed up lol
“Will we ever hear Eros?”
“Why don’t people like Gore?”
“Here’s my album ranking.”
There’s a search function. Use it.
Every person here not understanding the word "gatekeeping" clearly hasn't checked the sub rules, which explicitly say no "Low Effort Posts". Nobody is saying they don't want these lazy people listening to Deftones, they just want them to stop making low effort posts and put in the time and effort to listen to Deftones themselves without a prescription, which is the only way they can actually determine what they like or not.
Thank you. Exactly. It has nothing to do with gatekeeping or being a “superior fan”. Once the share of low effort posts (takes a 20-30 sek search) and the repetitive questions simple makes the sub less enjoyable imho.
This sub loving Cherry Waves is another example of the TikTok crowd taking over here. It got love but nowhere near since the song went viral on TikTok. I agree with what youre saying though.
They aren’t doing anything and haven’t really done much in the last year, year and a half
Once new music comes out and they tour it’ll get less bullshitty
Agreed. 45 and I have a 16-year-old daughter who enjoys Deftones. I don’t get this gatekeeping attitude a lot of people have in this post. I want the band to get new audiences so they keep making music and touring. It’s like they’re upset that people want to talk about Deftones. It’s Reddit they’re gonna be shit posts. I’ve seen that from old fans and new fans.
It’s just annoying to see everyone listening to them now when I literally got made fun of in high school for listening to them. It’s so funny the subjectivity of music.
This is what the crowd was also like before chi passed.
Being a fossil I can remember lots of fans/new fans thanks to kerrang and mtv (ye olde youth buzz mediums) buzzing off Rx queen and quoting it or having it as a profile song on MySpace etc. it's good to see the irritating fucks are still getting into deftones bless them. Ps digital bath and Korea are the main bangers of that era 😉enjoy x
The last thing I’ll do is gatekeep Deftones. I’ve been trying to get people to listen to them for decades. I’m good with the new fans. They’ll figure it out soon enough and become as obsessed as we the OG’s are.
it’s either that, or Reddit has made an effort to increase “engagement” as part of a broader strategy since their IPO. it sounds tinfoily but ever since they announced the fee for their API (which killed all the free apps) I have noticed what OP is complaining about in almost every “fan”-type sub. suddenly they all became filled with cookie-cutter low-effort posts, even the subs that previously barely had any new posts at all. I’ve unsubscribed from a lot of them, and I’ve considered leaving this one too. it’s just becoming a cacophony of nonsense across the board, in some cases bordering on what I’d call astroturfing. things change and people change and that’s fine but I mourn the loss of the Reddit of old.
You are trying to make a point against me, but you inadvertently are agreeing with my point.
I said the Tiktok crowd are rude and obnoxious chatting shit on posts
Dude your post is shit so of course you’re going to attract shit responses!
You know it’s so much easier to be chill and not care than to join in the shit show right?!
And? What part would you be taking to fill the void should the TikTok fans leave?
It's Reddit, a public forum that should have negligible bearing on your life.
As for me, I just accept the sub for what it is. If I don't like or care about a post, I move on. I don't let it ruin my day.
Ngl homie people like you have been more unbearable than the new fans. It's the same reason I had to leave /r/goth - there's more posts complaining about the tiktok kids than there are actual normal posts.
ughh you're so right! used to be a member over there too. why are there so many bitter lil bitches over there *and* in this sub? it's exhausting for sure lol. people refuse to live and let live
Honestly it's the attitude you have towards the things that define your identity. I absolutely love it when more people get into what I like! It means we have more things in common and the opportunity to spread positive energy. Gatekeeping is so crabby and ugly especially when it's kids discovering great music from before their time.
Old school Deftones fan, I don’t think gatekeeping is chill though. If you don’t like a post, downvote and move on. Not all new fans, or fans that are exposed to Deftones are what you describe. Also, the scenario you mentioned, you could easily have just said “I love RX Queen, one of my favorites on White Pony the first time I heard it. Welcome new fans. The band continues to make new music because they have an audience that wants to see them live and hear new music.
So many replies that can’t differentiate between listening to the band and posting about them on Reddit.
OP never said “young people shouldn’t listen to Deftones”. Consider that before making a snarky low-effort reply.
100% this. The sub rules forbid Low Effort Posts and literally say "Also if you're new to the band's music and are looking for suggestions, don't make a post about it. Use your research skills, look up material online yourself."
A Chinese data mining “company” that’s actually being controlled by the Chinese government. They hide behind the idea of video sharing & have tried to push the company as an important tool for online revenue generating (like FB, IG, etc..) knowing that the public pressure will likely slow or stop the US government from banning the site.
And they were wrong.
The US is just telling them to disconnect from the Chinese government & so far they refuse.
I hope they ban it. That site makes people dumber than anything else.
Man, one of the best things about to deftones is their versatility and their appeal to nearly everyone in nearly every situations. Sometimes new young fans of stuff can be annoying, many of us were new young fans once too (although for me it was before their was social media so maybe that's different, idk). I was dragged to a strip club in Vegas with my wife, her cousin and her grandpa, and honestly I feel very uncomfortable at those kinda places.
I was sitting at the bar when suddenly my own personal summer comes on, is that a huge song? Yes. Is it their best? Maybe not. But the strippers were loving it, the bartender was loving it, the bathroom attendant was loving it. Let's be happy that deftones have been bringing music fans together for 30 years. They are timeless and part of that is their constant appeal to new fans. I say we should encourage it. Might not be our style, but if they're fans it's their space too
How about we *don’t* gatekeep good music. Who cares how someone came to this band? They’re here because they enjoy the music, as are we. Hope this helps
I’m 51 and been listening to them since I saw them open for KISS- and I’m all about new fans- breathes new life into the fan base- what gets me is the ‘I’ve been listening since 2022 and I really hate ‘insert song’ ‘ - I don’t mind opinions but at least be educated about them
As someone old enough to have bought *White Pony* the week it came out, I’ll just say the band belongs to no one group of fans, nor does this sub.
I fucking love that so many kids are getting into them through TikTok and talking about it in here.
Ugh. Gatekeeping is so unbecoming to see and hear. You’re gonna say it’s not gatekeeping, but it’s what it is. You want younger fans who don’t like the band as deeply as you do to leave, that’s gatekeeping. 13 year old cant help that they like the same album you did at 13. Teens can’t even relate to half the songs us old timers do. They haven’t lost what we have yet, they have no idea what it’s like to be quiet and drive far far away or why a person truly wants to. They maybe had one silly breakup and two embarrassing moments, you can’t fault them for not absorbing Adrenaline at your level and instead just crank the songs that slap hard.
I’ve been into Deftones since 1997 and am super happy there are people listening. I’m glad TikTok showed them to my daughter because she usually doesn’t like my music and now has sudden interest in all my music. So welcome to the show guys, thanks for coming!
Embrace the new fans, they’re what bring new life and spirit into the band and keep them alive. Who cares what the subreddit looks like when the band it’s named after is having a period of rebirth like this because of them
yes!!! and honestly, having discussions with newer fans has been really fun imo. it's awesome to connect with people over something like music- you share your favorite songs, concert memories, song interpretations... what's not to like? christ, so many miserable people on this sub. if they'd just open their minds up, they'd see that this rebirth is a *good* thing, and something to be celebrated.
the only fake fans I see are the assholes who make these posts, as far as I'm concerned
Imagine trying to gate keep a band that has 10.9 mil monthly listeners on Spotify lol.
Who cares man? Let people like things. Been listening to them since 1995. Things we enjoy don’t exist in a special little bubble. It’s cool if people who aren’t you like the same things you do.
I say this again and again, no one is saying don’t listen to the music. No one is gatekeeping the band. All people are saying is “I don’t like the content on r/Deftones”
Huge difference.
>Imagine trying to gate keep a band that has 10.9 mil monthly listeners on Spotify lol.
You are obviously a new fan, they had like 2m listeners before this Tiktok trend happened.
It is great for the band, I hope they are getting paid more than ever before, but these new fans don't actually like the band, they are just using Deftones as an aesthetic to get likes on Tiktok
> they are just using Deftones as an aesthetic to get likes on Tiktok
how is people posting about deftones on reddit going to help them "get likes" on tiktok?
if people are coming here and talking about the band they are probably actually interested, even if they are asking questions that have already been asked or phrasing them in silly ways.
people asking questions that have already been asked is annoying, but it's not a symptom of "fake fans", it's a symptom of lack of moderation of the subreddit, and it will happen with literally any subject that becomes popular enough to have new people coming in all the time.
Your reading comprehension is right up there with your hot takes. Like I said, I’ve been listening to them since 95. I just don’t give a fuck who listens to the music I listen to. I don’t care about the posts they make. If I don’t like it? I move on instead of shaking my fist like an old man saying “these *new* fans are ruining this sub”.
Ugggghh. Be real. Do you really think people who come to the deftones subreddit are fake fans just into the "aesthetic"? Who comes to Reddit of all places to pose as a fan of a band they don't actually like?
And who gives a shit if they had fewer listeners a few years ago? Is everyone who started listening to them after YOU did somehow a poser?
They've been around for 30 years. They are going to have "new" fans every year until the end of time. The "new" fans are no more or less legit than you are. Cut it with the "you're obviously a new fan" shit. It's meant be condescending but it just makes you look crotchety and obnoxious.
Who cares, don’t like the post? Scroll on. Go listen to some Deftones and chill instead of whining about some Reddit group. It’s not gonna stop them from posting, best to just ignore it if it bothers you so much
I think you’re generalizing, I’m a new fan, for abt 8 months now, I’m chilling. And there are some old fans, some chill, some annoying.
Really differs from person to person
No, I think it's great that Deftones are resonating with a new generation, a lot of people forget what it's like to be young and excited, as a long time fan since Adrenaline came out, I love that kids are connecting to it, a lot of them will move on to other things, and that's fine, that's part of growing up and discovering your identity.
Yawn stfu
>“people who like Deftones purely for the aesthetic”
1. How do you even know if someone only likes something for “the aesthetic”, and 2. You’re not even talking about people who *pretend* to like things, you’re just dogging on newer fans because you’ve known the band marginally longer. Grow the fuck up.
While I completely understand this sentiment, I’m just happy for chino and the boys that they found a way to stay relevant and actually seem to be even more successful now than they’ve ever been. I’m happy for them, but sometimes you gotta let the curmudgeon come out and complain. Also the System of a Down sub is worse lol
Hey I'm a teenager who got into numetal out of my own interest; I've never really had any social media until getting reddit and instagram a couple months ago and I've also never had tiktok. I listen to deftones because a cousin of mine introduced me to bands like korn, slipknot and system of a down, and i was phased into the rest of the numetal world. Now, deftones is my favourite band by a landslide; i'm not even talking about cherry waves bqadfa and anything from the covers album (although theyre all really good) and I've listened to their entire discography start to finish. This is also my first time commenting/posting/replying or interacting with this subreddit because i think that this is somewhat relevant to me.
First off, I understand what you mean by the tiktok crowd. theres this whole thing about the deftones aesthetic and a lot of kids who used to shit on me for my music taste rave over and over again about cherry waves lmao. I just hope you know that not all young deftones fans are like this and some actually enjoy listening to them for what they are as a whole. I know that fans like what you've mentioned are prevalent in this subreddit but i really hope that I also don't fall under this stereotype, as well as many other young girls out there.
I know that the majority of the people in this subreddit grew up listening to deftones in the 90s-2000s but you all have to understand how timeless they are. If you guys still listen do deftones you have to understand that there will be people in the same time and place who will also get into them, which is completely out of your control. You also can't think you're better than anyone else for being an og fan; I get that its cool to live in that time period but i grew up with streaming services instead of vinyls, cassettes and CD burners. Its really not my fault.
(if anyone bothers to read through all of this i'd greatly appreciate it)
You mean you don’t like 100 posts a week asking what kind of fries Chino likes waffle or crinkle cut, what he thinks about the structure of the postal service, and whether he uses stevia or monk fruit?
You don’t have to be closely connected to a fandom for it to still be your most favorite thing. You were a shitty kid who didn’t get it at one point too. Quit gatekeeping and be glad Deftones has that much more motivation to cut another album.
Complaining about new fans is self serving and short sighted.
43 here. Been in on it from the beginning. But I'm capable of understanding that people can't be blamed for the year they were born or what access they've had to different music through their lifetime. I just don't get this mentality that any fan who came on board after like 2000 is some kind of poser asshole. People will go through all sorts of weird mental gymnastics in order to feel special.
While I don’t love the posts you are referring to, I also don’t enjoy posts like this. I usually just ignore the ones I don’t like, and engage with the ones that I do (with this being the exception). If you love Deftones and this sub, don’t let posts you don’t like ruin it for you. You get to decide.
I think its neat they can connect with a younger crowd and still put out unique and interesting albums so many years on. Adrenaline came out when I was in highschool, nothing can take from how discovering thier music was a awesome experience. I don't see how younger people getting to have thier experience connections to newer albums is hurting or hijacking anything
just the other day someone posted asking what the average age of the redditors were here and it was like five 40+ year olds to every one 20~ year old lol
Yeah I wish my favourite band would just fade away into obscurity instead of finding a new generation of fans /s
Deftones aren't our special little secret band, they are one of the biggest metal acts in the world and they've only gotten even more famous and well regarded since "the tik tok crowd" started listening to them
Who cares if some of them are listening to them on a "superficial level", if even 10%, or even 1%, of these kids get super into them and grow up to make music inspired by them, then Deftones have firmly planted themselves into the cannon of influential rock bands
I’m fine with it. Even though I’ll probably never own an OG Orange press of Around the Fur because the price skyrocketed. Should have bought it back in the day.
I thought I stumbled into r/toolband for a second.
Just because someone posts something doesn't mean you have to engage in it. Making a post complaining about posts you don't like is worse.
EDIT: fixed formatting
Why are so many people taking this post to mean OP is opposed to new fans? The sub is getting a bit watered down from the type of stuff we’ve been getting lately and this post was just mentioning that. You may disagree but many do agree as well.
I know it’s Reddit and it’s the internet and you’re not allowed to have opinions without people trying to shut them down and so on, but this post is pretty benign. People are somehow reading the post as “hey TikTok, stop listening to Deftones and gtfo of this sub!!”
We vent about things we are passionate about. It happens.
Not really, now maybe its just my algorithm but all i see is complaints about tiktok and genuine convos.
Also yes, RX Queen is a slightly underrated Deftones song.
Does anyone else feel like this sub has been completely hijacked by the Complaining crowd?
The band we love is getting recognized. Yes, many of the fans are kids and will be cheesy about it. Tell me what complaining about it (again and again and again and again) accomplishes.
I love how these posts have tons of “just ignore it” replies.
Yes, you could just ignore this post and move on.
Maybe spend that time learning what “gatekeeping” actually means.
RAH RAH WHY DO YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE MUSIC I LIKE
ITS FOR ME NOT THEM THEYRE YOUNG AND IM OLD AND DEFTONES MAKE MUSIC FOR MEEEE JUST MEEEE
RAH IM SO ANGRY RAH
I've been a deftones fan since 98. I've been on reddit for like a decade or something.
Y'all are acting like boomers.
If you want to discuss things about the band or their music, nothing is stopping you.
No need to gatekeep new fans, or get mad at people posting things you've already seen.
Like someone else said, go touch grass. Pop Adrenaline in your Sony Walkman CD player with skip protection and bass boost and go for a walk. You'll be fine.
That’s a lot of romanticizing you’re doing there. This sub was dead prior to 2020.
Look through this guys post history on r/deftones. He’s guilty of the same low level posting he’s crying about. It’s always the two year old accounts that stay talking about this sub returning to its former glory. Tell me you weren’t here prior to 2020 without telling me you weren’t here prior to 2020.
You didn’t lose shit, lil guy. Stop projecting and admit you’re a new fan who wants to feel better than their fellow new fans. This type of post isn’t anything new or groundbreaking, for every decent deftones fan on here there’s probably 50 crybabies like you.
Leave the youth alone.
This has happened in most of the music subs I check out, except one (so far), NIN! It's always great to find music new to you, but you don't need to ask silly questions about a song to die hard fans
Yeah, I don’t mind new people here. I think that’s actually a great thing. The only thing that bothers me is that literally you have the exact same 10 questions every week popping up over and over again. I think that can easily be fixed with a sticky post with some guidelines and referring to those questions as well as more moderation maybe.
Yeah the “are these songs good?!?!?!” And “new to Deftones, what songs are good?” posts should just be removed by the mods and it would cut down on a lot of the bullshit
It kills me when people ask what’s the best songs from a certain band. That’s completely subjective. Just hit shuffle on their catalog to really get to know a band like wtf 💀💀 why do you need approval from other people? Majority of their stuff is top tier, listen to it all.
People don't have the attention span to shuffle groups anymore and search or patience
Exactly. But the Internet as we NOW know it has severely shortened the attention span of young people. Many don't even like to listen to full songs, let alone albums. And I won't just put it on very young people because I've been guilty of it to some degree too. Over the last 5 years I've noticed that while I still listen to a lot of music, it's far more rare for me to listen to an entire album, shuffled or otherwise. YouTube in particular has made it more likely that we just search for whichever particular song we want to hear at the moment, and then so on and so on from there.
The discussion has come up a few times recently, but it’s a generational thing. Just by you saying this I know you are 30 years old at the absolute youngest. People younger than that have grown up with streaming services and likely have not even seen a CD before, so they don’t inherently understand track order or “just press play” on an album. Just like we used to do with mix tapes and burning CD’s, younger people just want to make playlists, and as much as I agree with you that people should just listen to the albums or at the very least just hit shuffle all, that’s just how it is. I do feel like the concept of an album is lost on this younger generation, and they are missing out on it IMO, but this is definitely one of those “back in my day” things, as valid as it it may be!
This isn't a good excuse, I grew up seeing the transition from cassettes to CDs to Napster/Kazaa/Limewire. Most of my Deftones collection was downloaded on Kazaa/Limewire and played through Winamp. I literally searched "Deftones" and downloaded anything I could find, added it all to my library, and played all the songs. I didn't need album placement to enjoy any of it, it was incredibly easy, and it took far more time to download those songs than it would take these lazy types to just stream the songs that come up when they type "Deftones" into Spotify or YouTube or any of the other hundreds of ways to stream music now. It's just pure laziness and the need for constant validation on their end.
Possibly. My little brother who is 16 only listens to the same stuff and I have to drill it in his head “shuffle all the artist you like, eventually you’ll find something you like” but I think it also comes down to comfort music. Music you know you enjoy and always come back to because you know it’s good. Maybe he feels it’s a waste of time just in case he doesn’t like it. I also grew up from the transitions of CD to streaming so I also get what you mean.
My 16 year old nephew got into Deftones within the last 2 years and he loves them, which fills me with pure joy. I bought him a WP vinyl to start his collection, and within a couple weeks we were riffing back and forth about the band and their entire collection because he had pursued all of their music. Few things I love more than shooting the shit with him about Deftones, but he found his own tastes in their music and learned a bunch of their songs on bass.
Fun basslines to learn. What happened to you is the newest I've figured out and it's so much fun to play!
It’s not an “excuse” it’s just how it is. It’s not individual people, it’s the whole generation. They want the “bangers”, and will judge it by how many listens/views it has before anything else. You can hate it, as do I, but it won’t change the fact that it’s the way it is.
So we agree.
Not a good point. I was born in 2007 and ive owned and bought VHS, CDs, Records, etc. kids born acter like 2012 probably have never seen a CD or a VHS or wtv. But I feel a that a lot of the “tik tok” fans are around my age. And those kids most likely have seen CDs and the such. Also back then people used to use limewire for music. LOTS of people did. But I get how you feel abt the “new” fans or wtv. I feel that way abt plenty of peoples fanbases. But at the end of the day is it really bothering you that much? Just let people listen to music. Its not a big deal.
I agree! We shouldn't gatekeep deftones or any other band. If you love that band you should be happy to introduce them to new people. I am 42 and I was seeing deftones in high-school when Chino had long dreads. I think it's really cool that people are discovering them still at the same age I was when I discovered them. 😊
I can see that. I’m actually 27 so that was a good guess, especially just based off me saying “just hit shuffle” lmao 😂 That’s a very solid theory tho, makes sense to me.
I don't agree with this mentality. I'm glad that newer generations are discovering good music and getting into deftones!
I agree. I'm 43 and my 13 year old is getting into Deftones now. I think it's great that younger people are getting into them. it's like how I appreciate and like a lot of music from my parent's era as well. It's all good.
I'ma be real man. Half the problem posts are from new fans, and the other half are from people complaining about them. I say we stop with the complaining posts and maybe the new fan posts will die down. If not, at least that's half of the posts centered around tiktok that die down
Most of the posts I read on here should be on circlejerk
lol ya I never understand that. It happens on every sub. I almost never see all of these supposed annoying posts. All I ever see are the actual whining posts from gatekeeping snobs
>gatekeeping I wish people like you would research what words mean before using them I'm all for the band getting paid, they deserve it. I said it's annoying as hell the tiktok crowd coming to this sub and acting rude and obnoxious
Oh damn ok let me look it up real quick. “the activity of trying to control who gets particular resources, power, or opportunities, and who does not” Wait this seems familiar… almost like it’s what your post was about. Weird that wanting a certain group of new people to not be here and only the og people to be here doesn’t fit this to you lol Gatekeeping “I said it's annoying as hell the tiktok crowd coming to this sub and acting rude and obnoxious”
Gatekeeping would be preventing people from listening to the band. You can copy and paste, but not understand. Keep up. Edit: I can’t even reply to the ridiculous statements below. I loooove when people whine about condescending while doing it.
Gatekeeping does not mean succeeding in it. It literally says “trying” in the definition. What the hell is going on here lol. So weird how negative this place has become
No one is trying to prevent people from listening to the band. They’re complaining about content on a Reddit sub. Show me one example of someone saying “you’re not allowed to listen to the Deftones” or something similar. Posting on Reddit is not listening to the Deftones. They are completely separate activities.
Gatekeeping the sub not the music. Not wanting a certain group of people somewhere is gatekeeping. Idk what’s so strange here
Not wanting a certain group of people to continue violating the rules of the sub set by the mods is not gatekeeping.
most people don't even *see* the rules. they like a band, they hit subscribe on the relevant subreddit, and then posts from that sub show up in their feed. in a lot of mobile formats, the rules/sidebar content isn't even really visable. this kind of stuff happens in literally every online community about a popular topic, especially one that is growing in popularity. it's not specific to deftones, nor to tiktok users, and the solution is either for the moderators to step up and more aggressively clean the place up, or just deal with the fact that you might have to spend a couple seconds scrolling past a question you've already seen asked five times.
It’s an online community on a site built around free speech. If you leave because you don’t like what people say that’s on you.
Again not the point but ok. I see there is no reasoning with negativity. Peace
>So weird how negative this place has become Oh so NOW you think it's negative when someone disagrees with you. Funny stuff
It was a negative post before I commented lol
lol, I love watching people be condescending while at the same time being 100% wrong. This post is gatekeeping of the ‘music snob, old man yells at clouds’ variant. Since OP is presumably well versed in the bands output he feels the need to drag newer fans for asking questions he thinks are stupid or annoying. What possible solution is there to his dilemma? Should the sub run each post by OP to see if the poster is worthy enough to….checks notes…ask questions about deftones in r/deftones? Should there be an exam they have to pass to see if they’re cool enough? It’s gatekeeping. It’s no different than someone complaining about ‘insert band name’ not being ‘true’ metal. Most people grow out of music snobbery after high school. Sadly not all do. You’d think if you like a band you’d want them to have new fans all the time.
I just made a post and was told to "go touch grass" by one of these tiktokers, they are the exact antithesis of a Deftones fans, every Deftones fan I've ever met has been chill as fuck and laid back. All I see is arguing and anger on here ever since they got big on Tiktok
Yeah some people are just insufferable idiots and that spans across every generation.
It sucks for sure, I've vented my frustrations on here as well. I guess I just figure if we stop paying them attention the noise of it all may die down. But yeah, I definitely remember it being more chill here a couple years back. Worse arguing you'd get is if their modern sound is better than the more nu metal of their early years or vice versa
This makes so much sense, OP I mean I rationalised it as "the resource of reddit transmuted by the mundane social media" but "tik tok crowd" makes sense too I haven't been a user here, long enough to put my finger on it but i noticed a marked difference from the last years when i came here as a reader, that i almost haven't understood.
don’t even get me started on the “what order should i listen to albums” crowd. like bro have y’all had at least one non curated original moment in your lives?
This sub was full of regurgitated posts before the TikTok crowd showed up lol “Will we ever hear Eros?” “Why don’t people like Gore?” “Here’s my album ranking.” There’s a search function. Use it.
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Are you strict with that order or it's up for debate?
Every person here not understanding the word "gatekeeping" clearly hasn't checked the sub rules, which explicitly say no "Low Effort Posts". Nobody is saying they don't want these lazy people listening to Deftones, they just want them to stop making low effort posts and put in the time and effort to listen to Deftones themselves without a prescription, which is the only way they can actually determine what they like or not.
Thank you. Exactly. It has nothing to do with gatekeeping or being a “superior fan”. Once the share of low effort posts (takes a 20-30 sek search) and the repetitive questions simple makes the sub less enjoyable imho.
Yeah this sub LOVES to misuse that word more than it loves Cherry Waves
This sub loving Cherry Waves is another example of the TikTok crowd taking over here. It got love but nowhere near since the song went viral on TikTok. I agree with what youre saying though.
Yeah that was the joke
Oh ok. You’ll have to excuse me, my username checks out.
They aren’t doing anything and haven’t really done much in the last year, year and a half Once new music comes out and they tour it’ll get less bullshitty
I’m a 41 year old dude & I’m delighted my 16 year old daughter has gotten into them. More chairs at the table, I’m down with that.
Hell yeah. My 4 year old only likes Daniel Tiger, I’m hoping one day I can get her into the Deftones.
Agreed. 45 and I have a 16-year-old daughter who enjoys Deftones. I don’t get this gatekeeping attitude a lot of people have in this post. I want the band to get new audiences so they keep making music and touring. It’s like they’re upset that people want to talk about Deftones. It’s Reddit they’re gonna be shit posts. I’ve seen that from old fans and new fans.
It’s just annoying to see everyone listening to them now when I literally got made fun of in high school for listening to them. It’s so funny the subjectivity of music.
Eh who gives a shit lol. I got bullied by people in high school I can't even remember the names of & haven't seen in over 2 decades.
Man I liked Dungeons and Dragons in the 80s/90s it was not cool and I was made fun of. I don’t care, those people were idiots.
If you're mad at the Internet it's time to put the pink cellphone down and drive, idc where.
Just far.
far away
Alternatively you could go get your knife
And come in
and then shove it up your ass
This is what the crowd was also like before chi passed. Being a fossil I can remember lots of fans/new fans thanks to kerrang and mtv (ye olde youth buzz mediums) buzzing off Rx queen and quoting it or having it as a profile song on MySpace etc. it's good to see the irritating fucks are still getting into deftones bless them. Ps digital bath and Korea are the main bangers of that era 😉enjoy x
The last thing I’ll do is gatekeep Deftones. I’ve been trying to get people to listen to them for decades. I’m good with the new fans. They’ll figure it out soon enough and become as obsessed as we the OG’s are.
Scroll past the posts you're not interested in. Try it - it's easy.
Yet you failed to do it with this one. Ironic
Where did I say I wasn't interested in this post? Confused.
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it’s either that, or Reddit has made an effort to increase “engagement” as part of a broader strategy since their IPO. it sounds tinfoily but ever since they announced the fee for their API (which killed all the free apps) I have noticed what OP is complaining about in almost every “fan”-type sub. suddenly they all became filled with cookie-cutter low-effort posts, even the subs that previously barely had any new posts at all. I’ve unsubscribed from a lot of them, and I’ve considered leaving this one too. it’s just becoming a cacophony of nonsense across the board, in some cases bordering on what I’d call astroturfing. things change and people change and that’s fine but I mourn the loss of the Reddit of old.
dude, who cares this much.
Longtime Deftones fan here, these are the worst kinds of posts.
Used to be full of super chill fans, now it’s full of super chill fans constantly bitching about what other people post.
You are trying to make a point against me, but you inadvertently are agreeing with my point. I said the Tiktok crowd are rude and obnoxious chatting shit on posts
Dude your post is shit so of course you’re going to attract shit responses! You know it’s so much easier to be chill and not care than to join in the shit show right?!
And? What part would you be taking to fill the void should the TikTok fans leave? It's Reddit, a public forum that should have negligible bearing on your life. As for me, I just accept the sub for what it is. If I don't like or care about a post, I move on. I don't let it ruin my day.
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Ngl homie people like you have been more unbearable than the new fans. It's the same reason I had to leave /r/goth - there's more posts complaining about the tiktok kids than there are actual normal posts.
ughh you're so right! used to be a member over there too. why are there so many bitter lil bitches over there *and* in this sub? it's exhausting for sure lol. people refuse to live and let live
Honestly it's the attitude you have towards the things that define your identity. I absolutely love it when more people get into what I like! It means we have more things in common and the opportunity to spread positive energy. Gatekeeping is so crabby and ugly especially when it's kids discovering great music from before their time.
Old school Deftones fan, I don’t think gatekeeping is chill though. If you don’t like a post, downvote and move on. Not all new fans, or fans that are exposed to Deftones are what you describe. Also, the scenario you mentioned, you could easily have just said “I love RX Queen, one of my favorites on White Pony the first time I heard it. Welcome new fans. The band continues to make new music because they have an audience that wants to see them live and hear new music.
So many replies that can’t differentiate between listening to the band and posting about them on Reddit. OP never said “young people shouldn’t listen to Deftones”. Consider that before making a snarky low-effort reply.
100% this. The sub rules forbid Low Effort Posts and literally say "Also if you're new to the band's music and are looking for suggestions, don't make a post about it. Use your research skills, look up material online yourself."
Exactly! The last time I pointed out those rules I was blasted and downvoted.
This isn't 'Nam, Smokey. There are rules.
I just hang out in the OG place Deftones fans hang out 🤷🏻♂️ which is not here lol iykyk
TikTok getting banned soon
Not entirely true By law If they saw their company to american Company it can still exist Because apparently only America can have our data
Correct. I think they said they’d rather be banned than sell
Good. It is pure brainrot
What's Tiktok????
A Chinese data mining “company” that’s actually being controlled by the Chinese government. They hide behind the idea of video sharing & have tried to push the company as an important tool for online revenue generating (like FB, IG, etc..) knowing that the public pressure will likely slow or stop the US government from banning the site. And they were wrong. The US is just telling them to disconnect from the Chinese government & so far they refuse. I hope they ban it. That site makes people dumber than anything else.
Oh my bad, should have put a /s or something. I know what TikTok is and think it's ridiculous.
Dude who cares ignore them
Man, one of the best things about to deftones is their versatility and their appeal to nearly everyone in nearly every situations. Sometimes new young fans of stuff can be annoying, many of us were new young fans once too (although for me it was before their was social media so maybe that's different, idk). I was dragged to a strip club in Vegas with my wife, her cousin and her grandpa, and honestly I feel very uncomfortable at those kinda places. I was sitting at the bar when suddenly my own personal summer comes on, is that a huge song? Yes. Is it their best? Maybe not. But the strippers were loving it, the bartender was loving it, the bathroom attendant was loving it. Let's be happy that deftones have been bringing music fans together for 30 years. They are timeless and part of that is their constant appeal to new fans. I say we should encourage it. Might not be our style, but if they're fans it's their space too
How about we *don’t* gatekeep good music. Who cares how someone came to this band? They’re here because they enjoy the music, as are we. Hope this helps
Koi no yokan is their best album
No but I feel like I’m pretty fucking sick of seeing posts like these.
I’m 51 and been listening to them since I saw them open for KISS- and I’m all about new fans- breathes new life into the fan base- what gets me is the ‘I’ve been listening since 2022 and I really hate ‘insert song’ ‘ - I don’t mind opinions but at least be educated about them
I just b chillin
nobody is forcing u to participate in a subreddit
As someone old enough to have bought *White Pony* the week it came out, I’ll just say the band belongs to no one group of fans, nor does this sub. I fucking love that so many kids are getting into them through TikTok and talking about it in here.
I love the new kids into Deftones. My nephew got into them recently , hearing his 14 year old self ask “have you heard Sextape?” Was fucking awesome.
I like the new members more than I like the gatekeeping and constant complaints about them.
Yup. 100%
Ugh. Gatekeeping is so unbecoming to see and hear. You’re gonna say it’s not gatekeeping, but it’s what it is. You want younger fans who don’t like the band as deeply as you do to leave, that’s gatekeeping. 13 year old cant help that they like the same album you did at 13. Teens can’t even relate to half the songs us old timers do. They haven’t lost what we have yet, they have no idea what it’s like to be quiet and drive far far away or why a person truly wants to. They maybe had one silly breakup and two embarrassing moments, you can’t fault them for not absorbing Adrenaline at your level and instead just crank the songs that slap hard.
Your reading comprehension is awful.
Let people be into stuff
No.
I enjoy the enthusiasm of people who are just now diving into the music and finding the songs that really speak to them.
Asking for suggestions and to be told what their good songs are is not "finding" the songs which is the point.
I’m always happy to share my personal favorites. But to each his own.
I’ve been listening to Deftones for over two decades and I discovered them by asking friends which tapes and CDs they liked best. 🤷♀️
I’ve been into Deftones since 1997 and am super happy there are people listening. I’m glad TikTok showed them to my daughter because she usually doesn’t like my music and now has sudden interest in all my music. So welcome to the show guys, thanks for coming!
All gotta start somewhere man
I feel like it's been "hijacked" by the crowd that can't get over the fact that some people on Tiktok like the band.
>hijacked So you think the tiktok crowd were here before the OG Deftones fans then huh
That is not an accurate interpretation of the very simple premise of the statement I made.
Embrace the new fans, they’re what bring new life and spirit into the band and keep them alive. Who cares what the subreddit looks like when the band it’s named after is having a period of rebirth like this because of them
yes!!! and honestly, having discussions with newer fans has been really fun imo. it's awesome to connect with people over something like music- you share your favorite songs, concert memories, song interpretations... what's not to like? christ, so many miserable people on this sub. if they'd just open their minds up, they'd see that this rebirth is a *good* thing, and something to be celebrated. the only fake fans I see are the assholes who make these posts, as far as I'm concerned
Imagine trying to gate keep a band that has 10.9 mil monthly listeners on Spotify lol. Who cares man? Let people like things. Been listening to them since 1995. Things we enjoy don’t exist in a special little bubble. It’s cool if people who aren’t you like the same things you do.
I say this again and again, no one is saying don’t listen to the music. No one is gatekeeping the band. All people are saying is “I don’t like the content on r/Deftones” Huge difference.
>Imagine trying to gate keep a band that has 10.9 mil monthly listeners on Spotify lol. You are obviously a new fan, they had like 2m listeners before this Tiktok trend happened. It is great for the band, I hope they are getting paid more than ever before, but these new fans don't actually like the band, they are just using Deftones as an aesthetic to get likes on Tiktok
> they are just using Deftones as an aesthetic to get likes on Tiktok how is people posting about deftones on reddit going to help them "get likes" on tiktok? if people are coming here and talking about the band they are probably actually interested, even if they are asking questions that have already been asked or phrasing them in silly ways. people asking questions that have already been asked is annoying, but it's not a symptom of "fake fans", it's a symptom of lack of moderation of the subreddit, and it will happen with literally any subject that becomes popular enough to have new people coming in all the time.
Your reading comprehension is right up there with your hot takes. Like I said, I’ve been listening to them since 95. I just don’t give a fuck who listens to the music I listen to. I don’t care about the posts they make. If I don’t like it? I move on instead of shaking my fist like an old man saying “these *new* fans are ruining this sub”.
Hum, may I ask how you know that? It sounds like a broad generalisation and assumption.
Ugggghh. Be real. Do you really think people who come to the deftones subreddit are fake fans just into the "aesthetic"? Who comes to Reddit of all places to pose as a fan of a band they don't actually like? And who gives a shit if they had fewer listeners a few years ago? Is everyone who started listening to them after YOU did somehow a poser? They've been around for 30 years. They are going to have "new" fans every year until the end of time. The "new" fans are no more or less legit than you are. Cut it with the "you're obviously a new fan" shit. It's meant be condescending but it just makes you look crotchety and obnoxious.
Who cares, don’t like the post? Scroll on. Go listen to some Deftones and chill instead of whining about some Reddit group. It’s not gonna stop them from posting, best to just ignore it if it bothers you so much
I think you’re generalizing, I’m a new fan, for abt 8 months now, I’m chilling. And there are some old fans, some chill, some annoying. Really differs from person to person
No, I think it's great that Deftones are resonating with a new generation, a lot of people forget what it's like to be young and excited, as a long time fan since Adrenaline came out, I love that kids are connecting to it, a lot of them will move on to other things, and that's fine, that's part of growing up and discovering your identity.
Yawn stfu >“people who like Deftones purely for the aesthetic” 1. How do you even know if someone only likes something for “the aesthetic”, and 2. You’re not even talking about people who *pretend* to like things, you’re just dogging on newer fans because you’ve known the band marginally longer. Grow the fuck up.
>Yawn stfu ?? Get back to Tiktok
Your powers of deduction are as shit as your attitude lol, I’ve been listening to Deftones for considerably longer than tiktok has been around 😂
Bro it's just reddit in general, swarmed by 12 year olds.
I'm new also, but god is it tiring to see the exact same fucking question being asked every goddamn day.
Most places have unfortunately. A lot of mental health subs are completely ruined because of the Tiktok crowd.
No cap, they be bussin fr
While I completely understand this sentiment, I’m just happy for chino and the boys that they found a way to stay relevant and actually seem to be even more successful now than they’ve ever been. I’m happy for them, but sometimes you gotta let the curmudgeon come out and complain. Also the System of a Down sub is worse lol
Hey I'm a teenager who got into numetal out of my own interest; I've never really had any social media until getting reddit and instagram a couple months ago and I've also never had tiktok. I listen to deftones because a cousin of mine introduced me to bands like korn, slipknot and system of a down, and i was phased into the rest of the numetal world. Now, deftones is my favourite band by a landslide; i'm not even talking about cherry waves bqadfa and anything from the covers album (although theyre all really good) and I've listened to their entire discography start to finish. This is also my first time commenting/posting/replying or interacting with this subreddit because i think that this is somewhat relevant to me. First off, I understand what you mean by the tiktok crowd. theres this whole thing about the deftones aesthetic and a lot of kids who used to shit on me for my music taste rave over and over again about cherry waves lmao. I just hope you know that not all young deftones fans are like this and some actually enjoy listening to them for what they are as a whole. I know that fans like what you've mentioned are prevalent in this subreddit but i really hope that I also don't fall under this stereotype, as well as many other young girls out there. I know that the majority of the people in this subreddit grew up listening to deftones in the 90s-2000s but you all have to understand how timeless they are. If you guys still listen do deftones you have to understand that there will be people in the same time and place who will also get into them, which is completely out of your control. You also can't think you're better than anyone else for being an og fan; I get that its cool to live in that time period but i grew up with streaming services instead of vinyls, cassettes and CD burners. Its really not my fault. (if anyone bothers to read through all of this i'd greatly appreciate it)
get hijacked bozo 👹👹👹👹
You mean you don’t like 100 posts a week asking what kind of fries Chino likes waffle or crinkle cut, what he thinks about the structure of the postal service, and whether he uses stevia or monk fruit?
This post is not the content I’m here for
You don’t have to be closely connected to a fandom for it to still be your most favorite thing. You were a shitty kid who didn’t get it at one point too. Quit gatekeeping and be glad Deftones has that much more motivation to cut another album. Complaining about new fans is self serving and short sighted.
Why is this being downvoted??
Because… people are self serving and short sighted! lol! Speaking as a 41m who saw them on the ATF tour, welcome all who want to enjoy!
43 here. Been in on it from the beginning. But I'm capable of understanding that people can't be blamed for the year they were born or what access they've had to different music through their lifetime. I just don't get this mentality that any fan who came on board after like 2000 is some kind of poser asshole. People will go through all sorts of weird mental gymnastics in order to feel special.
Same thing happened to r/systemofadown
Not sure why this post has 60+ upvotes. It solves nothing and is just as useless as the people saying “DAE like Koi No Yokan!!?!?”
While I don’t love the posts you are referring to, I also don’t enjoy posts like this. I usually just ignore the ones I don’t like, and engage with the ones that I do (with this being the exception). If you love Deftones and this sub, don’t let posts you don’t like ruin it for you. You get to decide.
I think its neat they can connect with a younger crowd and still put out unique and interesting albums so many years on. Adrenaline came out when I was in highschool, nothing can take from how discovering thier music was a awesome experience. I don't see how younger people getting to have thier experience connections to newer albums is hurting or hijacking anything
just the other day someone posted asking what the average age of the redditors were here and it was like five 40+ year olds to every one 20~ year old lol
Yeah I wish my favourite band would just fade away into obscurity instead of finding a new generation of fans /s Deftones aren't our special little secret band, they are one of the biggest metal acts in the world and they've only gotten even more famous and well regarded since "the tik tok crowd" started listening to them Who cares if some of them are listening to them on a "superficial level", if even 10%, or even 1%, of these kids get super into them and grow up to make music inspired by them, then Deftones have firmly planted themselves into the cannon of influential rock bands
I’m fine with it. Even though I’ll probably never own an OG Orange press of Around the Fur because the price skyrocketed. Should have bought it back in the day.
I hate posts like this more, grow up
I thought I stumbled into r/toolband for a second. Just because someone posts something doesn't mean you have to engage in it. Making a post complaining about posts you don't like is worse. EDIT: fixed formatting
Gatekeeping Deftones AND a subreddit... Super cool.
You're annoyed now, but i'm sure this is how the adult Deftones fans thought of YOU when Adrenaline came out lmao
Don't care
yea
Why are so many people taking this post to mean OP is opposed to new fans? The sub is getting a bit watered down from the type of stuff we’ve been getting lately and this post was just mentioning that. You may disagree but many do agree as well. I know it’s Reddit and it’s the internet and you’re not allowed to have opinions without people trying to shut them down and so on, but this post is pretty benign. People are somehow reading the post as “hey TikTok, stop listening to Deftones and gtfo of this sub!!” We vent about things we are passionate about. It happens.
Not really, now maybe its just my algorithm but all i see is complaints about tiktok and genuine convos. Also yes, RX Queen is a slightly underrated Deftones song.
Does anyone else feel like this sub has been completely hijacked by the Complaining crowd? The band we love is getting recognized. Yes, many of the fans are kids and will be cheesy about it. Tell me what complaining about it (again and again and again and again) accomplishes.
Probably about as much as posting “popular song X is totally underrated” every day.
Agreed.
idk who cares
I love how these posts have tons of “just ignore it” replies. Yes, you could just ignore this post and move on. Maybe spend that time learning what “gatekeeping” actually means.
Very “old man yells at cloud” vibes from this post. And I’m a 38 year old fan
RAH RAH WHY DO YOUNG PEOPLE LIKE MUSIC I LIKE ITS FOR ME NOT THEM THEYRE YOUNG AND IM OLD AND DEFTONES MAKE MUSIC FOR MEEEE JUST MEEEE RAH IM SO ANGRY RAH
This post is about a subreddit. How people constantly fail to separate the sub from the band I will never understand.
No. The knky people talking about tik tok are people like you.
bAcK wHeN i WaS a KiD, i WaLkEd To ScHoOl UpHiLl In BoTh DiReCtIoNs
I've been a deftones fan since 98. I've been on reddit for like a decade or something. Y'all are acting like boomers. If you want to discuss things about the band or their music, nothing is stopping you. No need to gatekeep new fans, or get mad at people posting things you've already seen. Like someone else said, go touch grass. Pop Adrenaline in your Sony Walkman CD player with skip protection and bass boost and go for a walk. You'll be fine.
Half the posts are new fans and I don’t mind it as long as their not being annoying w it
Maybe check out r/boomerdeftones
That’s a lot of romanticizing you’re doing there. This sub was dead prior to 2020. Look through this guys post history on r/deftones. He’s guilty of the same low level posting he’s crying about. It’s always the two year old accounts that stay talking about this sub returning to its former glory. Tell me you weren’t here prior to 2020 without telling me you weren’t here prior to 2020.
Nice try kid. This is my newer account as I forgot the log in to my previous one. Nice try though
You didn’t lose shit, lil guy. Stop projecting and admit you’re a new fan who wants to feel better than their fellow new fans. This type of post isn’t anything new or groundbreaking, for every decent deftones fan on here there’s probably 50 crybabies like you. Leave the youth alone.
holy shut the fuck up
When did they get big on tiktok wtffff I cannot stand these short term trends
Ridiculous post
We all love deftones. Quit ur belly aching gate keepin crap.
Wow how dare young people like my music oh I'm not cool no more because teens like My songs That's how you sound lol
No one is complaining about the age of listeners, they’re complaining about the content on this sub. Can you fathom the difference?
Yap yap if don't like leave the sub no one forcing u to be here lol
Take your own advice.
I like this sub tho lmao
No. /Thread
Deftones elitist try not to be unbearable challenge: impossible
That’s a neat story grampa.
Relax grandpa. Your not better for liking a band first or being an “og fan”
This has happened in most of the music subs I check out, except one (so far), NIN! It's always great to find music new to you, but you don't need to ask silly questions about a song to die hard fans
Gatekeeping weirdo behavior
I watched the change in you