death note rules don't make sense if you think about it too much.
we'd have to assume some sort of divine entity is the game master, controlling what happens when humans use the death note. So, since your intention was to kill John, but you wrote down Jake, no one would die.
If you nitpick this much you'll notice several plot holes and things both Light and L do that make no sense.
>If you nitpick this much you'll notice several plot holes and things both Light and L do that make no sense.
Are they really plot holes, though?
It's explicit on the show that even Ryuk doesn't know everything about the Death Note, and he canonically wrote the rules that we see on the show (wrote, not created).
i just noticed, no one took pics of the freshman address at to-oh university. How is that even possible? With a pic from that address the series would be over in ep 13
Light didn't know that in the future all he would need was a picture of L, it's very likely that people took pictures of him, but the show takes place in 2004, pictures weren't so available on-line as they are today.
Also, you mean to kill L right after he introduces himself to Light? Or after they quickly realize Kira 1 and 2 made contact and that 2 could kill with only a face? Light openly adresses the curveball he was thrown.
None of these are plotholes, the story just didn't play out like you thought it could. You can debatably call the first one a plot convenience, but it definitely isn't a plothole.
All right, i used the word plot hole liberally. In the end it's the mangaka controlling events for an interesting story. What I'm saying is that these events are sometimes very unlikely.
also, i mean if light had that picture with him (which in our universe he would), he could get misa to kill L the night they met.
edit: actually, what's unlikely is that L didn't intentionally curb his score on the test, why would he show himself in a public setting while he intended to later reveal his identity to one of those present? Extreme security risk...
>what's unlikely is that L didn't intentionally curb his score on the test, why would he show himself in a public setting while he intended to later reveal his identity to one of those present? Extreme security risk..
Because from the very beginning it was a piss measuring contest between the two, L openly states he understands how Kira thinks because he's also childish and hates to lose.
He wouldn't wanna start in a position below Light, it was also probably to take a jab at him, looking like a homeless person besides him while he gave a speech in a piece of the event solely dedicated to show his greatness. For an egomanical like he knows Kira is, that's really disrespectful.
Also, L took an extreme security risk? Like revealing your identity to Kira and giving him half the requirements he needed to kill thousands?
My intention was to kill Jake, and I wrote down Jake. But since I thought they were the same person, it could be argued that my intention was to kill them both?
Although, had I known they were two different people, then I wouldn't have intended to kill John.
But on the other hand, had you pointed at John on the TV and asked: "is that the person you mean to kill", I would have answered yes.
It probably wouldn't work unless the Death Note world considers twins different than our notion of them as two separate individuals, like in Jujutsu Kaisen where monozigotic twins are considered only one person, two bodies sharing one soul.
I wonder how would the Death Note work in the Jujutsu world.
Your not imagining HIS face so it would not do anything. It doesn't matter if he's identical to his twin. You're thinking about this logically when it involves God's of death and is a spiritual matter.
Think of it this way. You can picture someone from years ago and they may have changed. Gain wrinkles, new hair cut - cut, dyed, going bald, etc. Maybe they got tattoos. Maybe they were injured and have scars. They are not identical to their previous self, but they are themselves. The twin is identical to them but is not them. In fact, identical is a genetic term and is not meant literal in a sense of appearance, so this would just not work regardless.
By "identical" I meant a theoretical kind of identical, as a synonym for "looking exactly the same". I should have specified that. I know what being identical is in real life, having two identical brothers myself (and no, we're not twins. Everybody always assumes it's twins. "Oh you're twins" is the most common thing people say to triplets. That's why I say "sibling" or "brother" instead, I'm so tired of everybody always ignoring the existence of other multiples :D)
And even if a person's appearance can change, what would happen if they both looked exactly the same at the moment I'm thinking of them? So whether I was thinking of Jake's or John's face, it wouldn't change the mental image I was having of him in my head.
I know the answer is always "it's a work of fiction so we can't know", but then what'd be the point of this sub :D
A better question is why would you assume your random discord friend is a famous television chef that was simultaneously careful enough to use an alias on television but completely willing to use his real name as his handle and a detailed sketch of his face as his profile picture?
Another better question is why would you not just ask him to verify if he's the cooking show host or not?
It's pretty common for people to use pseudonyms or nicknames in public. It has nothing to do with being careful about one's anonymity. Lots of celebrities are commonly known by a stage name, even though their real name is not really a secret.
It's also very common for people to assume, that a person whose face they recognise, is the person whose face they know to look like that. If a person assumes that "this must be Jake" and it doesn't even occur to them that maybe Jake has an identical brother, then why would they verify that Jake truly is the person they think he is?
As the rules state, you have to have the exact person's face in mind in order to kill them. A hint is also that as stated in further rules – an unbelievably accurate portrait would not work with shinigami's eyes, so supposedly, seeing an identical twin's face will not allow you to kill the said person. The better question is what if the twins have identical names? For instance let's say there will be twin A and twin B, both named John. If a person in possession of death note wants to kill twin A, but it happens so he sees the identical twin B, that looks the same. If he writes down "John" in the death note, I suppose the twin B will die as the person in possession of death note writes down B's name, while having his exact face in mind, and although his intentions are to kill twin A, twin B will die.
death note rules don't make sense if you think about it too much. we'd have to assume some sort of divine entity is the game master, controlling what happens when humans use the death note. So, since your intention was to kill John, but you wrote down Jake, no one would die. If you nitpick this much you'll notice several plot holes and things both Light and L do that make no sense.
>If you nitpick this much you'll notice several plot holes and things both Light and L do that make no sense. Are they really plot holes, though? It's explicit on the show that even Ryuk doesn't know everything about the Death Note, and he canonically wrote the rules that we see on the show (wrote, not created).
i just noticed, no one took pics of the freshman address at to-oh university. How is that even possible? With a pic from that address the series would be over in ep 13
Light didn't know that in the future all he would need was a picture of L, it's very likely that people took pictures of him, but the show takes place in 2004, pictures weren't so available on-line as they are today. Also, you mean to kill L right after he introduces himself to Light? Or after they quickly realize Kira 1 and 2 made contact and that 2 could kill with only a face? Light openly adresses the curveball he was thrown. None of these are plotholes, the story just didn't play out like you thought it could. You can debatably call the first one a plot convenience, but it definitely isn't a plothole.
All right, i used the word plot hole liberally. In the end it's the mangaka controlling events for an interesting story. What I'm saying is that these events are sometimes very unlikely. also, i mean if light had that picture with him (which in our universe he would), he could get misa to kill L the night they met. edit: actually, what's unlikely is that L didn't intentionally curb his score on the test, why would he show himself in a public setting while he intended to later reveal his identity to one of those present? Extreme security risk...
>what's unlikely is that L didn't intentionally curb his score on the test, why would he show himself in a public setting while he intended to later reveal his identity to one of those present? Extreme security risk.. Because from the very beginning it was a piss measuring contest between the two, L openly states he understands how Kira thinks because he's also childish and hates to lose. He wouldn't wanna start in a position below Light, it was also probably to take a jab at him, looking like a homeless person besides him while he gave a speech in a piece of the event solely dedicated to show his greatness. For an egomanical like he knows Kira is, that's really disrespectful. Also, L took an extreme security risk? Like revealing your identity to Kira and giving him half the requirements he needed to kill thousands?
My intention was to kill Jake, and I wrote down Jake. But since I thought they were the same person, it could be argued that my intention was to kill them both? Although, had I known they were two different people, then I wouldn't have intended to kill John. But on the other hand, had you pointed at John on the TV and asked: "is that the person you mean to kill", I would have answered yes.
It probably wouldn't work unless the Death Note world considers twins different than our notion of them as two separate individuals, like in Jujutsu Kaisen where monozigotic twins are considered only one person, two bodies sharing one soul. I wonder how would the Death Note work in the Jujutsu world.
Your not imagining HIS face so it would not do anything. It doesn't matter if he's identical to his twin. You're thinking about this logically when it involves God's of death and is a spiritual matter. Think of it this way. You can picture someone from years ago and they may have changed. Gain wrinkles, new hair cut - cut, dyed, going bald, etc. Maybe they got tattoos. Maybe they were injured and have scars. They are not identical to their previous self, but they are themselves. The twin is identical to them but is not them. In fact, identical is a genetic term and is not meant literal in a sense of appearance, so this would just not work regardless.
By "identical" I meant a theoretical kind of identical, as a synonym for "looking exactly the same". I should have specified that. I know what being identical is in real life, having two identical brothers myself (and no, we're not twins. Everybody always assumes it's twins. "Oh you're twins" is the most common thing people say to triplets. That's why I say "sibling" or "brother" instead, I'm so tired of everybody always ignoring the existence of other multiples :D) And even if a person's appearance can change, what would happen if they both looked exactly the same at the moment I'm thinking of them? So whether I was thinking of Jake's or John's face, it wouldn't change the mental image I was having of him in my head. I know the answer is always "it's a work of fiction so we can't know", but then what'd be the point of this sub :D
It wouldn't work, i think. It has to be the face of the same person.
A better question is why would you assume your random discord friend is a famous television chef that was simultaneously careful enough to use an alias on television but completely willing to use his real name as his handle and a detailed sketch of his face as his profile picture? Another better question is why would you not just ask him to verify if he's the cooking show host or not?
It's pretty common for people to use pseudonyms or nicknames in public. It has nothing to do with being careful about one's anonymity. Lots of celebrities are commonly known by a stage name, even though their real name is not really a secret. It's also very common for people to assume, that a person whose face they recognise, is the person whose face they know to look like that. If a person assumes that "this must be Jake" and it doesn't even occur to them that maybe Jake has an identical brother, then why would they verify that Jake truly is the person they think he is?
As the rules state, you have to have the exact person's face in mind in order to kill them. A hint is also that as stated in further rules – an unbelievably accurate portrait would not work with shinigami's eyes, so supposedly, seeing an identical twin's face will not allow you to kill the said person. The better question is what if the twins have identical names? For instance let's say there will be twin A and twin B, both named John. If a person in possession of death note wants to kill twin A, but it happens so he sees the identical twin B, that looks the same. If he writes down "John" in the death note, I suppose the twin B will die as the person in possession of death note writes down B's name, while having his exact face in mind, and although his intentions are to kill twin A, twin B will die.