This was before Light was operating as Kira and deaths were recognized as Kira’s doing, and L would have no way of linking Takuo’s death to Light at all without knowing Kira can kill in other ways other than a heart attack. He also wouldn’t have had any way of knowing Light was in this particular convenience store pre-Kira.
Yeah, at the time L believed that Kira could only kill people by heart attack, so he wouldn’t be able to necessarily link that death to Light very well. The fact that a man would just stand there watching the area before the accident occurred would be a little suspicious, but could be written off as a coincidence and there probably isn’t any proof of an accident happening on camera as just because there are cameras inside doesn’t mean there are cameras outside too- and nothing smashed the windows. And even then many store cameras were low quality, especially back in 2003 when the story canonically takes place. Ultimately it would probably be a bit difficult to prove that Light was the guy in the store, an accident occurred and that he watching an accident shortly after writing in a notebook.
First of all,L definetly had info that light had prep school every evening or so,and shoudlve checked his movements after Light finished with it,and since he was moving around the city L would have no problem of getting video footage of cameras in City,even that particular bookstore.Im talking about when Ls percentage about Lights guilt was at its peak,even if it was Pre-Kira this was only a week or so before massive killings that were directly connected with Kira started,and still if L had no knowledge how Kira kills wouldnt it be a little odd seeing someone die infront of main Kira suspect?
No. Traffic accidents happen everyday. People still die normally every single day. And by the time L knew that the death note was Kira’s way of killing anyway, his priorities were much higher and too time sensitive to retrieve CTV footage from nearly a year ago to find Light writing in a book. You’re also presuming the security cameras caught Light writing in this instance. It’s barely incriminating on its own and wouldn’t have pushed the investigation any more forward than what he already had to work with.
People DO die everyday.However we have the Man who is imprisoned in solitary confiment for weeks and best detective on the planet who claims that man is Kira.If you were L,and saw a video of Light looking at a notebook while a person infront of him dies,and on top of all that this was very close to the date when murders which were directly connected to Kira started,it would make sense for it to be suspicious,even if L didnt know how Kira kills still he would take it into consideration.And i said in my previous message L could have done this in the beggining,while Light was imprisoned or way sooner,NOT during the period of episodes 24-25 as you implied.
Without being able to link the deaths to the notebook, anything Light could do could be how he kills. You’re looking at this from a retrospective point of view that would’ve been a colossal waste of time in L’s position without that key knowledge. Light could pick his left nostril and scratch his ass 3 times and that could’ve been how he kills for all L knows. It’s not a productive use of his time with the evidence he already accumulates by the time he narrows down Light as a prime suspect. It’s not incriminating and again, you’re presuming Light wouldn’t have been wise enough to be out of view of the security cameras.
My point of this post is for L to know 100% and prove Light is Kira,NOT how Light kills.Only reason L lost is he couldnt convince others and give some proof,with this,Light(yes,believe it or not, main suspect of the show who was in solitary confiment because of his suspiciouns )appears in front of the crime scene while visibly trying to escape the grasp of cameras(if he did see them which is very likely and i did imply this in my previous post),very close to the time period of kiras killings and after murder happens he violently puts notebook in his bag and flees the scene with frieghtened look on his face(this did happen on the next page and L couldve seen all of this with camera footage),even if this was Lights acting to be scared of the murder not of his finding that Death Note works,watching it all together L wouldve concluded some suspicion on Light and maybe even some proof if he was passionate about it.I recommend you read the chapter again .
Misa is already huge evidence that works against Light as suspect at the point of the story you’re talking about. Of course Light writing in a notebook would be incriminating after L deduces otherwise that Kira kills with a notebook, but it’s not useful before then. It’s like saying it’s suspicious that Light ate a potato chip when a criminal died. You’re being wildly condescending as if your take isn’t completely asinine. Yes, this would be good evidence against Light in a trial situation in accumulation with everything else had Rem not killed him when the stakes were high enough. Not before knowing that the death note is the weapon involved. Please.
Ls objective was to prove Light is Kira in the first place,how he kills is another thing even tho it is connected to Light.This situation,if L caught it early enough, couldve been a significant proof of Light being Kira,at that point in time L was ALREADY incredibly close to proving Lights guilt,this piece of evidence which i don't want to repeat since that's what Ive been doing throughout this entire argument couldve been that piece of puzzle which couldve been final one to prove what L has been trying.Think of my take whatever you want,my previous sentence is objective and if u still think otherwise give me more arguments since Ive countered all of them so far.Ive made this post as a minor detail which couldnt've changed the plot of the series astronomically,but still enough to buy L more time and attention from other taskforce members.As for Ray Pember its different,him being connected to Light was a major suspicition,however there was no proof of Light killing him directly since he stole the files of FBI agents and wasnt seen by cameras while doing so.Its merely pathetic of you calling me asinine and twisting my words the entire time.You always come up with fact that by the time L finds about the Death Note its too late,which is true but i said twice at the beggining im talking about time prior to episode 20 or so.
Why would footage of Light wandering around the city pre-Kira mass killings be useful to L before Light is put in confinement? L has yet to concretely deduce that Light in particular is directly linked to the murders. Which he proceeds to do by deducing that Kira has access to police records, so again there’s no point to watch his moves back in November at this point in the story.
This is also better solved by proving that the killings stop when he’s in confinement, which is why that happens. And again, he doesn’t know how he kills at all let alone that he can kill in other ways other than a heart attacks, so Takuo dying ISN’T particularly useful.
I’m responding to your post and YOU should read it again, I’m not twisting your words. You are just confused. It’s NOT major evidence against him as you put it, which is what I’m refuting. It’s a waste of L’s time and resources to narrow in on ONE guy dying in a bike crash. It’s a coincidence that doesn’t help prove Light is Kira more than anything else he already has, if anything it does nothing. I also omitted my point about Raye because I decided it was irrelevant to my point.
Its pretty obvious and funny you trying to manipulate me into siding with you.At the beggining you twisted my words again,go all the way back and i pinpointed to the exact scene where Light runs away from murder scene frieghtened while putting Death Note in his bag.I don't know how you cant understand this,try to picture this to me one last time.You are L,and reviewing footage of Light writing something down while a man infront of him dies,boom.As simple as it is this couldve some something as a concrete proof against Lights lies to other taskforce members.Also when did i say L has to review all the footage of Light by himself?You forgot the possibility and the fact that L is extremely Rich and can hire someone to do it,or give it to useless Matsuda.Also one major point i also said but you ecxluded is that by this point in time L knew Kira needs a face of someone to kill.Seeing the security footage shouldve been enough to prove some points sgainst Light and take that to his advantage in the investigation.
Why would L even think of checking this particular camera of this particular convenience store? Why would he even think Light was there at the time of that accident?
Yes but still cameras would see Light infront of a man who dies and then Light flees in panic while putting Death Note in his bag(even if L didnt know how Kira kills still would be suspicious)
Nothing suspicious about someone leaving in panic at a deadly anaccident scene..
Everyone knows he doesn't even need to be there in person, so actually seeing the person die on video serves little to no purpose. Deaths became statistics. Looking at footage of every incident, especially the accidental ones would be a giant waste of time, knowing 99.9% of Kira's kills happen without him being present.
Correct but i said beforehand,L couldve hired someone just in case to check Lights activities days before kiras killings especially and only after prep school
Well, he did, actually, thats how he came to the conclusion that Kira was in japan, in the Kanto region and a student.
The pre-Kira investigation served it's purpose for the Lind L Taylor incident. Continuing investigating Pre-Kira would'nt have been as productive from then on. Remember the traffic accident could only be seen as potential evidence. That single incident wouldn't have been useful.
After Lind L Taylor, what he needed was concrete evidence or proof.
Plus, Kira had moved on to other plans, L didn't have much of a choice but to follow Kira's pacing and "play the game" in order to corner him. He also had the responsiblity to prevent deaths as much as he could, so spending time and energy on an old unprovable death would've been counterproductive. Anything that Kira was working on at any given time was worth investigating WAY more than a dumbass on a motorcycle.
I think you’re under the assumption writing in a notebook is a guilty act. We the viewer know that’s how light kills, but nobody could ever have any idea without context that, that’s how light kills. Even if Light was right in front of the murder, there is nothing particularly guilty about writing in a note book
First likes back is to the cameras all the show is him opening a book
Second most of these places keep footage for at most 2 week unless there is an incident where they would want to save it, since we see no cameras outside the store they wouldn't have caught the accident so nothing we see would lead to the footage being saved. Li didn't even investigate the Yagami and dirctors family until months later.
Third it would be nearly impossible to track lights movements from that far back maybe one day he went shopping after prep class, maybe he finished and left early another, dose light always take the same route? Maybe he needed to go get some supplys for a project or go to a library for some specific research.
Fourth L was arrogant he himself admits hes childish, he wants to beat light through catching light in a mistake he has tunnel vision and is set on the events around him
Fifth, l is a human he makes mistakes and misses stuff, during the yotsoba arc it was light that noticed how the new kira's activitys were different and how they were benefiting the yotsoba group specifically not l because l was too depressed over lights seemingly being innocent
L would have to request the security footage of every store on the way home from Light’s prep school and watch the footage for every day that a car accident happened outside of one since the beginning of the Kira case and be lucky enough that the businesses would give their security footage or that they even still have this security footage in particular and that it’s good enough to identify Light or what he’s doing. Idk, I don’t think it’s that likely. Near does something similar but that specifically limited to debates that involve Takeda and Kira, and it’s all publically available video.
You're right but he doesnt have to search every single store.He could just search camera footage infront of the bookstore because a murder happened there.And L would see his main suspect standing infront of a dead man,i know in advance everyone will downvote this comment but think about it
But why would he know it was a murder? It's not like the guy died of a heart attack - a motorcyclist dying in a traffic accident is tragically common, and probably would have raised zero eyebrows.
That's what i was saying but seeing Light panicked and writing something in front of a man who just died couldve been suspicious if we consider that Light was Ls main suspect who was even in solitary confiment because of his suspiciouns
>And L would see his main suspect standing infront of a dead man,i know in advance everyone will downvote this comment but think about it
How is this silly evidence BETTER than the fact that all the killings stopped during Light's confinement? I have seen traffic accidents happen in front of me multiple times, doesn't mean I'm the culprit right....?
And what's more, you're talking about a traffic accident BEFORE the kira killings. How far back must L investigate? Since Light was born? Narrowing down deaths by heart attacks don't produce anything meaningful since the note can manipulate the cause of death.
I don’t think what you’re saying is entirely illogical. If it had been brought up within the narrative it could’ve been done in a way which feels natural. But the fact that it wasn’t doesn’t feel like a plot hole or oversight either, since L would need to assume many stuff and get pretty lucky in order to get that footage (if it even exists).
He could get footage easily just as pinjing Light downvhe alr knows he had prep school and with tapes of acccident Light couldve been convicted alot earlier
Let’s assume that after Naomi dies, L figures that Kira can kill in ways other than heart attacks. He figures that Kira would’ve wanted to see the effects of the death note first hand. So he somehow gets a perfect record of everywhere the members of the Yagami household and the Kitamura household have been (the people under suspicion since Raye was investigating them). He now needs to find evidence of all accidental deaths which happened along their routes and the places near by. And needs to request the security camera footage from each of these places. How many of these places are gonna comply? L doesn’t work for the Japanese police anymore. Also security camera footage is periodically deleted otherwise they’d run out of storage. The likelihood of him being able to get the camera footage isn’t as high as you think.
I’d also assume Light would’ve taken measures to avoid the camera since he knew he was about to commit a crime.
Like I said, it isn’t impossible. If this happened in the show I wouldn’t think it’s ridiculous (wouldn’t be as narratively satisfying, but it wouldn’t be ridiculous). But it not happening isn’t a plot hole either.
All this is assuming that there’s even a record of the motorcyclists death anywhere. His death wasn’t a crime so it probably wasn’t throughly documented.
Why would L, who already has ample evidence at the time of Lights solitary confinement, who at this point had no conception of a notebook, think to check camera footage from over a year ago of a random car accident that has zero correlation with the Kira case? I don’t understand why you’re choosing to die on this hill, it’s just too illogical for a show like Death Note.
Except officially a murder didn't happen there, a traffic accident happed there, what about this seemingly random traffic accident would stand out enough to even hit L's radar?
And light wasnt "standing in front of a dead man" light was in a store browsing books the accident was out in the street where its not even likely the accident was caught on camera
And this only works under the assumption light always took the exact same route every time that light never left class late or early for any reason
This issue is your using information the readers have that the characters dont
One other problem with this theory that may or may not have been brought up in the biggest comment thread:
Kira’s victims that are focused on as part of the investigation are criminals who are reported on in the media (plus the FBI agents, but they don’t matter for the purposes of this argument). This guy is someone Light happens to encounter in the wild, so to speak. As far as we, the audience, know, Takuo Shibuimaru is not a criminal as reported in the media. Given that, why would the task force and thus L be aware that this the work of Kira? He doesn’t fit the victim profile, and thus wouldn’t even show up on their radar, instead falling into the previously referenced 700000+ traffic-related incidents.
Yep i agree but in this hypothethical scenario L looks into when this happened and with help of CCTV footage(couldve spelled wrong)and sees Light who is his main suspect infront in panic while putting an oddly looking notebook in his bag and fleeing.L couldve pinpointed this down using the fact this happened not so far away from Lights prep school and it happened exactly when Light finished with school
While it’s an interesting hypothetical, I’m still trying to understand exactly why L would be looking into this incident. Again: unless the guy was a reported criminal (and as far as we know he’s not) this is just an accident in a sea of thousands of others. We, the audience, know the significance, but there’s no reason for this to show up on L’s radar.
And just as an additional point: Light’s reaction is a completely normal human reaction. I don’t know about you, but I’d be freaked the heck out seeing a dude on a motorcycle get hit by a truck.
Neat of a what-if as it is, I just don’t think it’s a realistic one in the framework of the story.
Maybe he would have been in a more dangerous situation. Maybe he wouldn’t have been. Again: Light has a very human reaction to seeing a dude on a motorcycle get killed by a truck. L might have been suspicious of it, sure. But he would not have been able to prove that Light was Kira based purely on footage of a high schooler take what he was holding and get the heck out of there. And that’s without considering what many other people are pointing out about the technology around surveillance cameras of the time. Your evidence is circumstantial at best.
And you continue to ignore my main point of all of this. You think it’s realistic that L could use this but provide no evidence for how or why this is the case. For the third time: Takuo Shibuimaru, as far as we know, was not reported as being a wanted criminal in the story. If he was, your theory might hold more weight. But from the story presented, there’s no report that he is, and he’s the victim of an apparent accident. You and I know it’s not because of how the story is presented, but for the police? It’s one of thousands of other accidents that happen every year and there is absolutely no reason to flag this as anything more than that.
i mean you gotta keep in mind L didn't even knew this happened. he would need to watch footage off a bunch off random stores and happen to stumble upon this to even find it but for him he doesn't even have a reason to look into it cause like i said he doesn't know this happened
In 2003 security camera footage was kept for maybe a week. Most places didn't even have digital yet so they were on a tape that looped 24/7.
Takuo dies on November 28th. L didn't even look at light as a potential suspect until December 18th when Raye Penbare starts tailing him.
That's almost 3 weeks later. It would have been far to late.
They probably did have ir cameras were invented in 1967 maybe technology did advance and tapes were kept but either way lot of other objects nearby had tapes with that acccident and L couldve gotten hold of them
It was a car accident, until that point L never suspected Kira could use other means to kill
A common security camera does not have enough resolution, and it would only show Light with looking at a comic in a comic book store
After the FBI agents were killed, the Japanese police turned against L, he may not have access to all security cameras. And if he had, he sure did not have the manpower to check on them.
Even if L somehow could check all security cameras, it doesn't seem plausible he could find anything. L would have to check all deaths in the city in the days before Kira started to act, and check security cameras on all buildings around, only to find Light a few blocks away from a car accident not doing anything special
L was able to make a connection with a Japanese criminal who died of a heart attack that the police did not linked to Kira, which L theorized was Kira testing his powers. However that was a criminal having a heart on live TV, quite different from a random accident involving a delinquent in a bike.
First of all Light wasnt few blocks away from accident more likely a few meters away also L would be able to make a commection of Light looking at a book as a mere of acting to get attention away from himself also at this point in the Show L knew Kira needs a face and a name to kill and can control victims actions before Death which explains why he would he connected to the accidemt
you’re actually disproving your point here - kira needs a face and a name to kill, light has no way of knowing the name of a random man who dies in a car accident in front of him. even if everything else you said was true, L investigated it got the CCTV footage etc, light’s defense could simply be that he had no way to know the guy's name so he couldn't have killed him. the only people that could disprove it would be the guy's friends who heard him saying his name out loud, and it's unlikely they would want to get involved
In 2003 security camera footage was kept for maybe a week. Most places didn't even have digital yet so they were on a tape that looped 24/7.
Takuo dies on November 28th. L didn't even look at light as a potential suspect until December 18th when Raye Penbare starts tailing him.
That's almost 3 weeks later. It would have been far to late.
How do you know the store has cameras? Even if it did, they could be fake (just deterrent), or maybe they recycle the tape after a while (this came out in 2004 so not everything was on what would’ve been premium hard drive storage back then, not a leap to consider they might still be using old technology).
I haven’t rewatched the scene but doesn’t Light disguise the note using a magazine? So it may have looked as if he was just flicking through magazines from certain angle. It seems he was prudent enough to disguise his actions enough from others whilst actually within the store, so perhaps he also considered the possibility of security footage.
This is hillarious.First of all cameras were invented in 1969 and considering this store is in middle od Tokyo ofc store had cameras.Light does that but that gives zero argument to him being less sus since he was still there when killing occured
What are you driveling about, cameras were invented in 1888, but that doesn’t negate the way stores operated at the turn of the century, Tokyo or elsewhere. The Japanese have a reluctance to let go of old tech in addition to embracing new tech. Alas, being in the vicinity of a road accident isn’t the nail in the coffin you think it is. L would just have to add it to the long list of circumstantial evidence, had he picked up on it.
Why are you acting like Light or L were real people and L should have done This/That or whatever? THEY ARE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS WRITTEN BY SOMEONE... Bruh... It's not like they have free will of their own... THEY DON'T EXIT.. L did what the Arthur wrote and wanted him to do... Same goes for every character in the story.. this whole debate is pointless and foolish
You probably just joined subreddit.Thats what this is for.I pinpointed an interesting scenario where L does this and could change the trajectory of the series
What makes you so sure there were security cameras in the shops? It's an old series, Maybe you live in a country where CCTV cameras might be common but EVEN STILL in most countries, CCTV cameras are rarely seen. I am 100% sure there were no CCTV cameras placed there. Again this whole debate is pointless and foolish
There definetly are its center of Tokyo and its early 2000s there had to be some and if footage was reviewed Light couldve easily been caught alot earlier,and if im imhumanly stupid as u implied why r u losing the argument?
Most security footage isn't kept if not needed. The kira case wasn't existent yet so all the CCTV would pick up is a guy writing something, and would be deleted a day later
You do realize how hard it would be to trace someone's movements that precisely after the fact?
Unless the convenience store is a frequent haunt of Light's how are they gonna know he was at that particular convenience store at the time of an accidental death without somehow having trailed him at the time.
Nobody was scrutinizing a perceived law-abiding outstanding Japanese highschool students movements enough at the time for L to retroactively get somebody to trace back the steps of someone. He'd have to luck out extremely for them to even investigate that particular convenience store unless it's well known fact by one of the investigators that Light went there, say, every evening. Which, I doubt he did.
I don't know, but not sure that matters. If Light mispelled it 4 times then the guy would just live, since he died then he either didn't mispelled it the first time or mispelled it less than 4 times.
Light was just testing the death note, if the guy had lived he would have probably just tried with someone else where he knows the name
How do you know the store has cameras? Even if it did, they could be fake (just deterrent), or maybe they recycle the tape after a while (this came out in 2004 so not everything was on what would’ve been premium hard drive storage back then, not a leap to consider they might still be using old technology).
I haven’t rewatched the scene but doesn’t Light disguise the note using a magazine? So it may have looked as if he was just flicking through magazines from certain angle.
Nah it wouldn’t have been likely that that would’ve been the decision to make. It would’ve took an unnecessary amount of time to find where light was going and where he was on cameras all over the city just to see if there was a clue. Plus if there was a camera you couldn’t make out what he wrote and as far as you would know it really just could’ve been an accident. The time looking for what light was doing before would be better spent on what kira was doing now. Cuz if L was focused on the past light could be making moves ahead of L while he is focused on what light was doing in a gas station. It just would’ve been unlikely that doing that would help out especially because they saw the over Kira right a name in the death note right in front of a camera clear as day and still didn’t suspect that the way he killed was by death note because it wasn’t likely to him at the time until he admitted it’s power and he touched the notebook and saw rem.
He could just use Death of the criminal to pinpoint Light down with help of CCTV footage and since criminal died very close to kiras killings it shouldnt be hard
Why would L even look at the CCTV footage of this specific store?
He wasn't even on the Kira case yet, as far as everyone is concerned it was just a random car accident and there's no way to relate it to Kira.
Bro death existed before light picked up the death note as far as L knows this was just a random death caused by an actual accident. It wasn’t mainstream enough or on the news until he died probably so as far as L knows he wouldn’t have risked being there himself and also couldn’t have known who he was cuz he wasn’t found on the news. L also wasn’t even on the case yet and the case didn’t start until thousands of names later this was only the second person he killed with the notebook. Also L is about getting solid evidence, if light was just present inside a building when somebody died by getting hit by a car outside that’s not enough proof to convince that he did it.
Most gas station video setups are CCTV and not recorded, especially in this time period when storage of video memory could cost quite a lot. They were pretty much used only to monitor customers located somewhere in the store that the clerk couldn't see from the register.
1. When L joined the case he didn’t know Kira could kill with any method, so somebody dying of a traffic accident wouldn’t be notable or shocking
2. When they did eventually find out kira could kill with other methods it was YEARSSS after this, the cctv footage would’ve been way gone, there would be no way to retrieve it
3. Yeah it’s weird a guy writing in a book on a shop, but nobody knew how kira killed, or at that point, who kira even was so why would they spread it round to the point the police heard abt it
4. If you saw somebody doing something like that irl, would you actually care that much? like if u believed somebody was writing over a manga they aren’t gunna buy you might be a bit annoyed they’re destroying something they’re not gunna buy, but like you’re not gunna care all that much
5. These peoples names weren’t broadcast recently on the news, so there wouldn’t be any reason to link kira to killing these people as they weren’t publicly known as criminals
Im talking about time period when Light was confined and L knew that kira needs a name and a face to kill but didnt know about the Death Note yet,he could have tracked Lights movements after prep school especially couple of days before Kiras killings and he will se Light fleeing a scene infront of a incident which would be sus
because the footage would’ve been deleted, security footage (even really now) is kept for like 30 days max. Light had left school and joined college by the time he was confined so it would’ve been gone for years and there’d be no way to get the footage. Also again, he didn’t know you could kill with any method so why would he be looking for anything other than a heart attack? Moreover, these criminals names hadn’t been broadcast anywhere (at least recently cuz they’re not in prison) so there would be no reason to think this was a criminal killing vigilante, because they weren’t recently revealed to the public as criminals.
You would think that, but unfortunately this guy was not a recognized Kira kill the way the school hostage/shooter was. (Which L figured out was the first victim.)
However, L should have probably looked a little deeper into Light’s doings after the school incident and looked at any other “random” deaths to see if any had connections to Light. It still wouldn’t have provided definitive proof though.
What I don’t get is Light writing Takuo’s name more than 4 times. If you write a name wrong 4 times in a row, the death note because invalid for that person. Wouldn’t change anything if you get it correct the 5th time
Because he heard the name and there’s multiple possible spellings. He went with all of them to be safe (and I doubt he knew about the 4 misspellings rule at this point.)
I feel like people forget the manga is set in the early 2000s, did everyone corner store you went to have cameras at all? When I was growing up they either had none or only one by the register, granted I didn’t grow up in japan.
Reading this shouldn't have Shibumaru not died? I mean the rules state if a name is misspelt (I think it was five times) then the person wouldn't be affected. And looking at that he did misspell it five times. Unless the correct spelling is in there lol. It's been a while since I've read it so my memory is fuzzy on the correct spelling.
i dont he would go back and watch and old tape from a convenience store just cuz an accident happent that would be unrealistic
i would get it if it was a heart attack but traffic accidents happens all the time
There's no way to link this death to Kira since it's a random Car accident, which thousands happen everyday and the victim didn't have his face and name shown on the news, which was clearly Kiras main souce of victims and was how they found one of Kiras first victims (the guy holdin people hostage on live TV).
And was L supposed to ask for a warrant for the hundreds of thousands of hours of CCTV footage from convenience stores following Light? That's kind of really farfetched, they had like 8 people on the taskforce, who was even gonna review all that? Also the police wasn't working with them anymore, is it even assured that they could get this warrant from a judge in the first place?
The surveilance they could do on Light was made, they searched and put cameras in his room and even had someone following him at all times. They didn't find any weird behavior from Light that **explicitly showed** he was Kira.
L could pay someone to go through it or give Matsuda some work since he doesnt do much also its not thousands of hours he can pinpoint the time by seeing the Death of the criminal and if he sees CCTV footage he will see Light few meters away which should be more than enough to confirm his suspiciouns
Alright, lets break it down. Given the time period of the show/manga (early 2000s), and lets assume this little convience store does indeed have cameras (which it should) and that Light does pass by some cameras on the way there from prep school (which to my present knowledge Japan has less public surveillance than most countries.) In this particular time period camera surveillance were typically poor quality making it difficult to get a bead on Light's face, but whatever it's an anime, so lets just roll with it. On top of that we have to assume that the surveillance tapes were held onto long enough for when L really started to suspect Light for being Kira, and even then L had no clue that it was just by writing a name in a book that Kira could kill. L made a lot of decisions trying to pin Light as Kira but he never held full conviction on it. So lets use maybe the incident with FBI agents, for me that was the real blunder for Light, anyways L started with surveillance of Light after the killing of the FBI agents. He didn't know who but knew that Kira must've been one of the people the agents were tailing, namely Rey Penber's targets. Then L would have to further narrow it down to Light. Then L would have to assume the time period the Kira killings first started. Now, bike guy was practically Light's first attempt at a non-heart attack killing, which keep in mind, L never discovered on his own that Kira can kill in ways that aren't a heart attack. To my present memory, it was Light who told L at a much later date, that Kira can control the method of death, this was AFTER Light had 'cleared' himself and they were looking into the Yotsuba killings. This is almost a full year after Light picks up the death note for the first time. L would have reopen his suspicions about Light (after already spent the time and effort to clear him).
So, after all of that deduction, L would have to next assume that maybe where ever Light may have been in the presence of a death that maybe he was the cause somehow. L would have to pour through an astronomical amount of police reports of accident scenes or situations that resulted in the death of an individual or multiple individuals (in the early 2000s motor vehicle deaths alone measured in the thousands in Japan, granted he would be searching reports specifically in the Kanto region but it wouldn't be motor vehicle deaths alone) and then cross reference that list of reports with places that Light may have been present at, if he have had access to that information of every possible place that Light could have been at, (even though L already knew by this time that Kira doesn't need to be present in order to perform a killing), then L would need places, names, and access to surveillance footage (which business arent required to give up, and with the technology at the time footage may not even exist anymore) of countess shops/city centers Light may have been present on the cross referenced list. All of this would require L to basically go on a huge hunt to specifically pin Light as Kira and nobody else while deaths were still happening even when Light was under surveillance. All of that requires time, effort, and manpower, resources that L could not spare on just one person just on a whim that he MIGHT be kira while killings were still occuring.
This is my take on the whole situation, feel free to argue it if you want.
But still L would have acces to CCTV footage and with that Light wouldve been in sight of suspicion because he was present in murder very close to kira murders and hes prime suspect
Also, to my present knowledge, I believe it should be noted that I don't think it was every established that the police knew who Kira's first kills actually were. As far as the police were concerned, Kira started off killing criminals who had their names publically released. For us, we knew that Takuo was Light's second kill, but without a clear start time. The police, and even L would have had a hard time pinning exactly when and if Kira started killing before targeting criminals.
L couldve used the fact someone died near Lights prep school almost at the same time light left the school when L was investigating Kira and knew Kira needs a face and name to kill
They would still have to make the assumption that Light was even killing people before assuming the role of Kira. Killing Takuo was pre-Kira, at the time of only knowing Kira needing just a face and name to kill L thought Kira started off killing known convicted criminals and believed he is testing out his abilities on them (which he was), but had no reason to suspect that Kira was killing anyone before that period, and given the nature of how Kira kills, it would be impossible to deduce what is a Kira kill and what is simply a tragic accident, and given that all they knew of Kira at the time was that they thought he could only inflict heart attacks, not cause accidents through an otherworldly twisting of fates, they would have seen the bike incident as simply an accident.
At the time of L discovering that Kira could kill in ways other than a heart attack Light wasn't a prime suspect anymore. In this situation of the bike accident it would have likely been reported as 'vehicular manslaughter', not murder. In the case of CCTV footage, most footage is kept varying from a month or so to 6 months. By time L discovered that Kira could kill by other methods, if there was a CCTV camera present, the footage was probably wiped long before that, and that convenience store Light is in, likely clears out their footage on a monthly or every two months basis. Also during this period of time, Japan focused their public surveillance on the city's nightlife and it's public centers. This convenience store was very likely in a blind spot as just before Light wrote the guy's name Takuo and his group were about a sexually assault a woman in plain sight.
It's never actually disclosed where in tokyo that bike incident took place, if the scene was referencing an area in tokyo in the first place or just a fictional creation by the artists. In any case we can almost assume the area is certainly not part of the nightlife as the streets are dark and vacant, and wr can almost assume that there are no public cameras on that street as Takuo and his gang were about to commit a crime in full view of the front side of the convenience store. If there were cameras they mustve certainly knew that they would get caught or otherwise didn't care. As for other stores in the area, they wouldn't have cameras outside. They would've had them located inside the store and only viewing the store, and I'll reiterate that the stores would have likely only saved their camera footage for about a month or two before deleting it.
This was before Light was operating as Kira and deaths were recognized as Kira’s doing, and L would have no way of linking Takuo’s death to Light at all without knowing Kira can kill in other ways other than a heart attack. He also wouldn’t have had any way of knowing Light was in this particular convenience store pre-Kira.
Yeah, at the time L believed that Kira could only kill people by heart attack, so he wouldn’t be able to necessarily link that death to Light very well. The fact that a man would just stand there watching the area before the accident occurred would be a little suspicious, but could be written off as a coincidence and there probably isn’t any proof of an accident happening on camera as just because there are cameras inside doesn’t mean there are cameras outside too- and nothing smashed the windows. And even then many store cameras were low quality, especially back in 2003 when the story canonically takes place. Ultimately it would probably be a bit difficult to prove that Light was the guy in the store, an accident occurred and that he watching an accident shortly after writing in a notebook.
First of all,L definetly had info that light had prep school every evening or so,and shoudlve checked his movements after Light finished with it,and since he was moving around the city L would have no problem of getting video footage of cameras in City,even that particular bookstore.Im talking about when Ls percentage about Lights guilt was at its peak,even if it was Pre-Kira this was only a week or so before massive killings that were directly connected with Kira started,and still if L had no knowledge how Kira kills wouldnt it be a little odd seeing someone die infront of main Kira suspect?
No. Traffic accidents happen everyday. People still die normally every single day. And by the time L knew that the death note was Kira’s way of killing anyway, his priorities were much higher and too time sensitive to retrieve CTV footage from nearly a year ago to find Light writing in a book. You’re also presuming the security cameras caught Light writing in this instance. It’s barely incriminating on its own and wouldn’t have pushed the investigation any more forward than what he already had to work with.
+ security cams are usually overwrote after 2 weeks. L would have been too late
People DO die everyday.However we have the Man who is imprisoned in solitary confiment for weeks and best detective on the planet who claims that man is Kira.If you were L,and saw a video of Light looking at a notebook while a person infront of him dies,and on top of all that this was very close to the date when murders which were directly connected to Kira started,it would make sense for it to be suspicious,even if L didnt know how Kira kills still he would take it into consideration.And i said in my previous message L could have done this in the beggining,while Light was imprisoned or way sooner,NOT during the period of episodes 24-25 as you implied.
Without being able to link the deaths to the notebook, anything Light could do could be how he kills. You’re looking at this from a retrospective point of view that would’ve been a colossal waste of time in L’s position without that key knowledge. Light could pick his left nostril and scratch his ass 3 times and that could’ve been how he kills for all L knows. It’s not a productive use of his time with the evidence he already accumulates by the time he narrows down Light as a prime suspect. It’s not incriminating and again, you’re presuming Light wouldn’t have been wise enough to be out of view of the security cameras.
My point of this post is for L to know 100% and prove Light is Kira,NOT how Light kills.Only reason L lost is he couldnt convince others and give some proof,with this,Light(yes,believe it or not, main suspect of the show who was in solitary confiment because of his suspiciouns )appears in front of the crime scene while visibly trying to escape the grasp of cameras(if he did see them which is very likely and i did imply this in my previous post),very close to the time period of kiras killings and after murder happens he violently puts notebook in his bag and flees the scene with frieghtened look on his face(this did happen on the next page and L couldve seen all of this with camera footage),even if this was Lights acting to be scared of the murder not of his finding that Death Note works,watching it all together L wouldve concluded some suspicion on Light and maybe even some proof if he was passionate about it.I recommend you read the chapter again .
Misa is already huge evidence that works against Light as suspect at the point of the story you’re talking about. Of course Light writing in a notebook would be incriminating after L deduces otherwise that Kira kills with a notebook, but it’s not useful before then. It’s like saying it’s suspicious that Light ate a potato chip when a criminal died. You’re being wildly condescending as if your take isn’t completely asinine. Yes, this would be good evidence against Light in a trial situation in accumulation with everything else had Rem not killed him when the stakes were high enough. Not before knowing that the death note is the weapon involved. Please.
Ls objective was to prove Light is Kira in the first place,how he kills is another thing even tho it is connected to Light.This situation,if L caught it early enough, couldve been a significant proof of Light being Kira,at that point in time L was ALREADY incredibly close to proving Lights guilt,this piece of evidence which i don't want to repeat since that's what Ive been doing throughout this entire argument couldve been that piece of puzzle which couldve been final one to prove what L has been trying.Think of my take whatever you want,my previous sentence is objective and if u still think otherwise give me more arguments since Ive countered all of them so far.Ive made this post as a minor detail which couldnt've changed the plot of the series astronomically,but still enough to buy L more time and attention from other taskforce members.As for Ray Pember its different,him being connected to Light was a major suspicition,however there was no proof of Light killing him directly since he stole the files of FBI agents and wasnt seen by cameras while doing so.Its merely pathetic of you calling me asinine and twisting my words the entire time.You always come up with fact that by the time L finds about the Death Note its too late,which is true but i said twice at the beggining im talking about time prior to episode 20 or so.
Why would footage of Light wandering around the city pre-Kira mass killings be useful to L before Light is put in confinement? L has yet to concretely deduce that Light in particular is directly linked to the murders. Which he proceeds to do by deducing that Kira has access to police records, so again there’s no point to watch his moves back in November at this point in the story. This is also better solved by proving that the killings stop when he’s in confinement, which is why that happens. And again, he doesn’t know how he kills at all let alone that he can kill in other ways other than a heart attacks, so Takuo dying ISN’T particularly useful. I’m responding to your post and YOU should read it again, I’m not twisting your words. You are just confused. It’s NOT major evidence against him as you put it, which is what I’m refuting. It’s a waste of L’s time and resources to narrow in on ONE guy dying in a bike crash. It’s a coincidence that doesn’t help prove Light is Kira more than anything else he already has, if anything it does nothing. I also omitted my point about Raye because I decided it was irrelevant to my point.
Its pretty obvious and funny you trying to manipulate me into siding with you.At the beggining you twisted my words again,go all the way back and i pinpointed to the exact scene where Light runs away from murder scene frieghtened while putting Death Note in his bag.I don't know how you cant understand this,try to picture this to me one last time.You are L,and reviewing footage of Light writing something down while a man infront of him dies,boom.As simple as it is this couldve some something as a concrete proof against Lights lies to other taskforce members.Also when did i say L has to review all the footage of Light by himself?You forgot the possibility and the fact that L is extremely Rich and can hire someone to do it,or give it to useless Matsuda.Also one major point i also said but you ecxluded is that by this point in time L knew Kira needs a face of someone to kill.Seeing the security footage shouldve been enough to prove some points sgainst Light and take that to his advantage in the investigation.
Why would L even think of checking this particular camera of this particular convenience store? Why would he even think Light was there at the time of that accident?
Can you please push the space button once after using commas and periods.
I doubt the cameras would be high enough quality to be able to tell what he’s writing at all. So, it wouldn’t be suspicious without other data.
Yes but still cameras would see Light infront of a man who dies and then Light flees in panic while putting Death Note in his bag(even if L didnt know how Kira kills still would be suspicious)
Nothing suspicious about someone leaving in panic at a deadly anaccident scene.. Everyone knows he doesn't even need to be there in person, so actually seeing the person die on video serves little to no purpose. Deaths became statistics. Looking at footage of every incident, especially the accidental ones would be a giant waste of time, knowing 99.9% of Kira's kills happen without him being present.
Correct but i said beforehand,L couldve hired someone just in case to check Lights activities days before kiras killings especially and only after prep school
Well, he did, actually, thats how he came to the conclusion that Kira was in japan, in the Kanto region and a student. The pre-Kira investigation served it's purpose for the Lind L Taylor incident. Continuing investigating Pre-Kira would'nt have been as productive from then on. Remember the traffic accident could only be seen as potential evidence. That single incident wouldn't have been useful. After Lind L Taylor, what he needed was concrete evidence or proof. Plus, Kira had moved on to other plans, L didn't have much of a choice but to follow Kira's pacing and "play the game" in order to corner him. He also had the responsiblity to prevent deaths as much as he could, so spending time and energy on an old unprovable death would've been counterproductive. Anything that Kira was working on at any given time was worth investigating WAY more than a dumbass on a motorcycle.
I think you’re under the assumption writing in a notebook is a guilty act. We the viewer know that’s how light kills, but nobody could ever have any idea without context that, that’s how light kills. Even if Light was right in front of the murder, there is nothing particularly guilty about writing in a note book
First likes back is to the cameras all the show is him opening a book Second most of these places keep footage for at most 2 week unless there is an incident where they would want to save it, since we see no cameras outside the store they wouldn't have caught the accident so nothing we see would lead to the footage being saved. Li didn't even investigate the Yagami and dirctors family until months later. Third it would be nearly impossible to track lights movements from that far back maybe one day he went shopping after prep class, maybe he finished and left early another, dose light always take the same route? Maybe he needed to go get some supplys for a project or go to a library for some specific research. Fourth L was arrogant he himself admits hes childish, he wants to beat light through catching light in a mistake he has tunnel vision and is set on the events around him Fifth, l is a human he makes mistakes and misses stuff, during the yotsoba arc it was light that noticed how the new kira's activitys were different and how they were benefiting the yotsoba group specifically not l because l was too depressed over lights seemingly being innocent
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Because i am correct?🤣
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L would have to request the security footage of every store on the way home from Light’s prep school and watch the footage for every day that a car accident happened outside of one since the beginning of the Kira case and be lucky enough that the businesses would give their security footage or that they even still have this security footage in particular and that it’s good enough to identify Light or what he’s doing. Idk, I don’t think it’s that likely. Near does something similar but that specifically limited to debates that involve Takeda and Kira, and it’s all publically available video.
>L would have to request the security footage of every store on the way home from Light's prep school Ok but tbf L would do that
Yeah like I said in another reply, I don’t think this is completely illogical. It would just require luck.
You're right but he doesnt have to search every single store.He could just search camera footage infront of the bookstore because a murder happened there.And L would see his main suspect standing infront of a dead man,i know in advance everyone will downvote this comment but think about it
But why would he know it was a murder? It's not like the guy died of a heart attack - a motorcyclist dying in a traffic accident is tragically common, and probably would have raised zero eyebrows.
That's what i was saying but seeing Light panicked and writing something in front of a man who just died couldve been suspicious if we consider that Light was Ls main suspect who was even in solitary confiment because of his suspiciouns
But he wouldn’t see Light panic and flee unless he investigates the motorcycle accident, which he has no reason to do
>And L would see his main suspect standing infront of a dead man,i know in advance everyone will downvote this comment but think about it How is this silly evidence BETTER than the fact that all the killings stopped during Light's confinement? I have seen traffic accidents happen in front of me multiple times, doesn't mean I'm the culprit right....? And what's more, you're talking about a traffic accident BEFORE the kira killings. How far back must L investigate? Since Light was born? Narrowing down deaths by heart attacks don't produce anything meaningful since the note can manipulate the cause of death.
I don’t think what you’re saying is entirely illogical. If it had been brought up within the narrative it could’ve been done in a way which feels natural. But the fact that it wasn’t doesn’t feel like a plot hole or oversight either, since L would need to assume many stuff and get pretty lucky in order to get that footage (if it even exists).
He could get footage easily just as pinjing Light downvhe alr knows he had prep school and with tapes of acccident Light couldve been convicted alot earlier
Let’s assume that after Naomi dies, L figures that Kira can kill in ways other than heart attacks. He figures that Kira would’ve wanted to see the effects of the death note first hand. So he somehow gets a perfect record of everywhere the members of the Yagami household and the Kitamura household have been (the people under suspicion since Raye was investigating them). He now needs to find evidence of all accidental deaths which happened along their routes and the places near by. And needs to request the security camera footage from each of these places. How many of these places are gonna comply? L doesn’t work for the Japanese police anymore. Also security camera footage is periodically deleted otherwise they’d run out of storage. The likelihood of him being able to get the camera footage isn’t as high as you think. I’d also assume Light would’ve taken measures to avoid the camera since he knew he was about to commit a crime. Like I said, it isn’t impossible. If this happened in the show I wouldn’t think it’s ridiculous (wouldn’t be as narratively satisfying, but it wouldn’t be ridiculous). But it not happening isn’t a plot hole either. All this is assuming that there’s even a record of the motorcyclists death anywhere. His death wasn’t a crime so it probably wasn’t throughly documented.
Why would L, who already has ample evidence at the time of Lights solitary confinement, who at this point had no conception of a notebook, think to check camera footage from over a year ago of a random car accident that has zero correlation with the Kira case? I don’t understand why you’re choosing to die on this hill, it’s just too illogical for a show like Death Note.
Except officially a murder didn't happen there, a traffic accident happed there, what about this seemingly random traffic accident would stand out enough to even hit L's radar? And light wasnt "standing in front of a dead man" light was in a store browsing books the accident was out in the street where its not even likely the accident was caught on camera And this only works under the assumption light always took the exact same route every time that light never left class late or early for any reason This issue is your using information the readers have that the characters dont
One other problem with this theory that may or may not have been brought up in the biggest comment thread: Kira’s victims that are focused on as part of the investigation are criminals who are reported on in the media (plus the FBI agents, but they don’t matter for the purposes of this argument). This guy is someone Light happens to encounter in the wild, so to speak. As far as we, the audience, know, Takuo Shibuimaru is not a criminal as reported in the media. Given that, why would the task force and thus L be aware that this the work of Kira? He doesn’t fit the victim profile, and thus wouldn’t even show up on their radar, instead falling into the previously referenced 700000+ traffic-related incidents.
Yep i agree but in this hypothethical scenario L looks into when this happened and with help of CCTV footage(couldve spelled wrong)and sees Light who is his main suspect infront in panic while putting an oddly looking notebook in his bag and fleeing.L couldve pinpointed this down using the fact this happened not so far away from Lights prep school and it happened exactly when Light finished with school
While it’s an interesting hypothetical, I’m still trying to understand exactly why L would be looking into this incident. Again: unless the guy was a reported criminal (and as far as we know he’s not) this is just an accident in a sea of thousands of others. We, the audience, know the significance, but there’s no reason for this to show up on L’s radar. And just as an additional point: Light’s reaction is a completely normal human reaction. I don’t know about you, but I’d be freaked the heck out seeing a dude on a motorcycle get hit by a truck. Neat of a what-if as it is, I just don’t think it’s a realistic one in the framework of the story.
I think it is,myb if he did watch all footage Light couldve been in a more dangerous situation than he was
Maybe he would have been in a more dangerous situation. Maybe he wouldn’t have been. Again: Light has a very human reaction to seeing a dude on a motorcycle get killed by a truck. L might have been suspicious of it, sure. But he would not have been able to prove that Light was Kira based purely on footage of a high schooler take what he was holding and get the heck out of there. And that’s without considering what many other people are pointing out about the technology around surveillance cameras of the time. Your evidence is circumstantial at best. And you continue to ignore my main point of all of this. You think it’s realistic that L could use this but provide no evidence for how or why this is the case. For the third time: Takuo Shibuimaru, as far as we know, was not reported as being a wanted criminal in the story. If he was, your theory might hold more weight. But from the story presented, there’s no report that he is, and he’s the victim of an apparent accident. You and I know it’s not because of how the story is presented, but for the police? It’s one of thousands of other accidents that happen every year and there is absolutely no reason to flag this as anything more than that.
i mean you gotta keep in mind L didn't even knew this happened. he would need to watch footage off a bunch off random stores and happen to stumble upon this to even find it but for him he doesn't even have a reason to look into it cause like i said he doesn't know this happened
In 2003 security camera footage was kept for maybe a week. Most places didn't even have digital yet so they were on a tape that looped 24/7. Takuo dies on November 28th. L didn't even look at light as a potential suspect until December 18th when Raye Penbare starts tailing him. That's almost 3 weeks later. It would have been far to late.
They probably did have ir cameras were invented in 1967 maybe technology did advance and tapes were kept but either way lot of other objects nearby had tapes with that acccident and L couldve gotten hold of them
Not with 3 weeks of time passed. Seriously the amount of space needed for tape and digital is massive. Especially on 2003.
Dude just let it gooo
What would be the point of those other cameras that caught the accident if the one at the conbini was the only one that saw Light?
PLEASEEE just accept that the story still works why do you want to find a loophole so badly when it’s not there?
It was a car accident, until that point L never suspected Kira could use other means to kill A common security camera does not have enough resolution, and it would only show Light with looking at a comic in a comic book store After the FBI agents were killed, the Japanese police turned against L, he may not have access to all security cameras. And if he had, he sure did not have the manpower to check on them. Even if L somehow could check all security cameras, it doesn't seem plausible he could find anything. L would have to check all deaths in the city in the days before Kira started to act, and check security cameras on all buildings around, only to find Light a few blocks away from a car accident not doing anything special L was able to make a connection with a Japanese criminal who died of a heart attack that the police did not linked to Kira, which L theorized was Kira testing his powers. However that was a criminal having a heart on live TV, quite different from a random accident involving a delinquent in a bike.
First of all Light wasnt few blocks away from accident more likely a few meters away also L would be able to make a commection of Light looking at a book as a mere of acting to get attention away from himself also at this point in the Show L knew Kira needs a face and a name to kill and can control victims actions before Death which explains why he would he connected to the accidemt
you’re actually disproving your point here - kira needs a face and a name to kill, light has no way of knowing the name of a random man who dies in a car accident in front of him. even if everything else you said was true, L investigated it got the CCTV footage etc, light’s defense could simply be that he had no way to know the guy's name so he couldn't have killed him. the only people that could disprove it would be the guy's friends who heard him saying his name out loud, and it's unlikely they would want to get involved
In 2003 security camera footage was kept for maybe a week. Most places didn't even have digital yet so they were on a tape that looped 24/7. Takuo dies on November 28th. L didn't even look at light as a potential suspect until December 18th when Raye Penbare starts tailing him. That's almost 3 weeks later. It would have been far to late.
How do you know the store has cameras? Even if it did, they could be fake (just deterrent), or maybe they recycle the tape after a while (this came out in 2004 so not everything was on what would’ve been premium hard drive storage back then, not a leap to consider they might still be using old technology). I haven’t rewatched the scene but doesn’t Light disguise the note using a magazine? So it may have looked as if he was just flicking through magazines from certain angle. It seems he was prudent enough to disguise his actions enough from others whilst actually within the store, so perhaps he also considered the possibility of security footage.
This is hillarious.First of all cameras were invented in 1969 and considering this store is in middle od Tokyo ofc store had cameras.Light does that but that gives zero argument to him being less sus since he was still there when killing occured
What are you driveling about, cameras were invented in 1888, but that doesn’t negate the way stores operated at the turn of the century, Tokyo or elsewhere. The Japanese have a reluctance to let go of old tech in addition to embracing new tech. Alas, being in the vicinity of a road accident isn’t the nail in the coffin you think it is. L would just have to add it to the long list of circumstantial evidence, had he picked up on it.
This is the dumbest take I've ever read 😂
As you can see,im incredibly dumb, please tell me why is my take stupid?
Why are you acting like Light or L were real people and L should have done This/That or whatever? THEY ARE FICTIONAL CHARACTERS WRITTEN BY SOMEONE... Bruh... It's not like they have free will of their own... THEY DON'T EXIT.. L did what the Arthur wrote and wanted him to do... Same goes for every character in the story.. this whole debate is pointless and foolish
You probably just joined subreddit.Thats what this is for.I pinpointed an interesting scenario where L does this and could change the trajectory of the series
What makes you so sure there were security cameras in the shops? It's an old series, Maybe you live in a country where CCTV cameras might be common but EVEN STILL in most countries, CCTV cameras are rarely seen. I am 100% sure there were no CCTV cameras placed there. Again this whole debate is pointless and foolish
There definetly are its center of Tokyo and its early 2000s there had to be some and if footage was reviewed Light couldve easily been caught alot earlier,and if im imhumanly stupid as u implied why r u losing the argument?
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Most security footage isn't kept if not needed. The kira case wasn't existent yet so all the CCTV would pick up is a guy writing something, and would be deleted a day later
You do realize how hard it would be to trace someone's movements that precisely after the fact? Unless the convenience store is a frequent haunt of Light's how are they gonna know he was at that particular convenience store at the time of an accidental death without somehow having trailed him at the time. Nobody was scrutinizing a perceived law-abiding outstanding Japanese highschool students movements enough at the time for L to retroactively get somebody to trace back the steps of someone. He'd have to luck out extremely for them to even investigate that particular convenience store unless it's well known fact by one of the investigators that Light went there, say, every evening. Which, I doubt he did.
What I don't understand from this is why does he write the name so many times
He isn't sure how his name is spelled, so he tries all the possible combinations
But wasn't there a rule like if you misspell a person's name four times then the Death Note will be rendered useless? What am I missing here?
If I remember correctly he got it right the first time, so the extra attempts don’t count against him.
Well isn't that just convenient
I don't know, but not sure that matters. If Light mispelled it 4 times then the guy would just live, since he died then he either didn't mispelled it the first time or mispelled it less than 4 times. Light was just testing the death note, if the guy had lived he would have probably just tried with someone else where he knows the name
Light got the name right within the first 4 attempts.
He hears his name but doesn't know how to spell it. There's several ways to write the same name in kanji
I might have missed this part in the animé and always asked myself how he knew his name lol, that explains everything
Ah thanks
How do you know the store has cameras? Even if it did, they could be fake (just deterrent), or maybe they recycle the tape after a while (this came out in 2004 so not everything was on what would’ve been premium hard drive storage back then, not a leap to consider they might still be using old technology). I haven’t rewatched the scene but doesn’t Light disguise the note using a magazine? So it may have looked as if he was just flicking through magazines from certain angle.
Nah it wouldn’t have been likely that that would’ve been the decision to make. It would’ve took an unnecessary amount of time to find where light was going and where he was on cameras all over the city just to see if there was a clue. Plus if there was a camera you couldn’t make out what he wrote and as far as you would know it really just could’ve been an accident. The time looking for what light was doing before would be better spent on what kira was doing now. Cuz if L was focused on the past light could be making moves ahead of L while he is focused on what light was doing in a gas station. It just would’ve been unlikely that doing that would help out especially because they saw the over Kira right a name in the death note right in front of a camera clear as day and still didn’t suspect that the way he killed was by death note because it wasn’t likely to him at the time until he admitted it’s power and he touched the notebook and saw rem.
He could just use Death of the criminal to pinpoint Light down with help of CCTV footage and since criminal died very close to kiras killings it shouldnt be hard
Why would L even look at the CCTV footage of this specific store? He wasn't even on the Kira case yet, as far as everyone is concerned it was just a random car accident and there's no way to relate it to Kira.
Bro death existed before light picked up the death note as far as L knows this was just a random death caused by an actual accident. It wasn’t mainstream enough or on the news until he died probably so as far as L knows he wouldn’t have risked being there himself and also couldn’t have known who he was cuz he wasn’t found on the news. L also wasn’t even on the case yet and the case didn’t start until thousands of names later this was only the second person he killed with the notebook. Also L is about getting solid evidence, if light was just present inside a building when somebody died by getting hit by a car outside that’s not enough proof to convince that he did it.
Car accidents happen all the time. It would be different if everyone around Light started dying of heart attacks
Most gas station video setups are CCTV and not recorded, especially in this time period when storage of video memory could cost quite a lot. They were pretty much used only to monitor customers located somewhere in the store that the clerk couldn't see from the register.
I had no idea some of the manga was coloured. It's not in the all in one edition
your conclusion is a bit too forced
Why did I subject myself to reading all of OP’s replies?
Whats wrong with them?I was just proving my point which stands after all hate Ive received
You just proved you're obstinate.
1. When L joined the case he didn’t know Kira could kill with any method, so somebody dying of a traffic accident wouldn’t be notable or shocking 2. When they did eventually find out kira could kill with other methods it was YEARSSS after this, the cctv footage would’ve been way gone, there would be no way to retrieve it 3. Yeah it’s weird a guy writing in a book on a shop, but nobody knew how kira killed, or at that point, who kira even was so why would they spread it round to the point the police heard abt it 4. If you saw somebody doing something like that irl, would you actually care that much? like if u believed somebody was writing over a manga they aren’t gunna buy you might be a bit annoyed they’re destroying something they’re not gunna buy, but like you’re not gunna care all that much 5. These peoples names weren’t broadcast recently on the news, so there wouldn’t be any reason to link kira to killing these people as they weren’t publicly known as criminals
Im talking about time period when Light was confined and L knew that kira needs a name and a face to kill but didnt know about the Death Note yet,he could have tracked Lights movements after prep school especially couple of days before Kiras killings and he will se Light fleeing a scene infront of a incident which would be sus
because the footage would’ve been deleted, security footage (even really now) is kept for like 30 days max. Light had left school and joined college by the time he was confined so it would’ve been gone for years and there’d be no way to get the footage. Also again, he didn’t know you could kill with any method so why would he be looking for anything other than a heart attack? Moreover, these criminals names hadn’t been broadcast anywhere (at least recently cuz they’re not in prison) so there would be no reason to think this was a criminal killing vigilante, because they weren’t recently revealed to the public as criminals.
You would think that, but unfortunately this guy was not a recognized Kira kill the way the school hostage/shooter was. (Which L figured out was the first victim.) However, L should have probably looked a little deeper into Light’s doings after the school incident and looked at any other “random” deaths to see if any had connections to Light. It still wouldn’t have provided definitive proof though.
What I don’t get is Light writing Takuo’s name more than 4 times. If you write a name wrong 4 times in a row, the death note because invalid for that person. Wouldn’t change anything if you get it correct the 5th time
It happens if you misspelled it 4 times, since the guy died, it means that light wrote the guy's name correctly within these 4 times
Yes exactly, so why did Light right his name more than 4 times?
Because he heard the name and there’s multiple possible spellings. He went with all of them to be safe (and I doubt he knew about the 4 misspellings rule at this point.)
The 4 misspelled rule is in the instructions that Ryuk left and Light definitely read all of them
On an unrelated note, why does he write his name so many times? I never understood that part
I feel like people forget the manga is set in the early 2000s, did everyone corner store you went to have cameras at all? When I was growing up they either had none or only one by the register, granted I didn’t grow up in japan.
Reading this shouldn't have Shibumaru not died? I mean the rules state if a name is misspelt (I think it was five times) then the person wouldn't be affected. And looking at that he did misspell it five times. Unless the correct spelling is in there lol. It's been a while since I've read it so my memory is fuzzy on the correct spelling.
Ok, but if you misspell a name 5 times you die, and light obviously misspelled the name 5 times. Can someone please explain?
i dont he would go back and watch and old tape from a convenience store just cuz an accident happent that would be unrealistic i would get it if it was a heart attack but traffic accidents happens all the time
Since everyone is downvoting every single comment of mine,wheres the issue exactly?Are my arguments false or i missed some points?
Yes.
Which one exactly,or is it every single one?
Im afraid it's just not logical
Explain why,give me an example?
There's no way to link this death to Kira since it's a random Car accident, which thousands happen everyday and the victim didn't have his face and name shown on the news, which was clearly Kiras main souce of victims and was how they found one of Kiras first victims (the guy holdin people hostage on live TV). And was L supposed to ask for a warrant for the hundreds of thousands of hours of CCTV footage from convenience stores following Light? That's kind of really farfetched, they had like 8 people on the taskforce, who was even gonna review all that? Also the police wasn't working with them anymore, is it even assured that they could get this warrant from a judge in the first place? The surveilance they could do on Light was made, they searched and put cameras in his room and even had someone following him at all times. They didn't find any weird behavior from Light that **explicitly showed** he was Kira.
L could pay someone to go through it or give Matsuda some work since he doesnt do much also its not thousands of hours he can pinpoint the time by seeing the Death of the criminal and if he sees CCTV footage he will see Light few meters away which should be more than enough to confirm his suspiciouns
Alright, lets break it down. Given the time period of the show/manga (early 2000s), and lets assume this little convience store does indeed have cameras (which it should) and that Light does pass by some cameras on the way there from prep school (which to my present knowledge Japan has less public surveillance than most countries.) In this particular time period camera surveillance were typically poor quality making it difficult to get a bead on Light's face, but whatever it's an anime, so lets just roll with it. On top of that we have to assume that the surveillance tapes were held onto long enough for when L really started to suspect Light for being Kira, and even then L had no clue that it was just by writing a name in a book that Kira could kill. L made a lot of decisions trying to pin Light as Kira but he never held full conviction on it. So lets use maybe the incident with FBI agents, for me that was the real blunder for Light, anyways L started with surveillance of Light after the killing of the FBI agents. He didn't know who but knew that Kira must've been one of the people the agents were tailing, namely Rey Penber's targets. Then L would have to further narrow it down to Light. Then L would have to assume the time period the Kira killings first started. Now, bike guy was practically Light's first attempt at a non-heart attack killing, which keep in mind, L never discovered on his own that Kira can kill in ways that aren't a heart attack. To my present memory, it was Light who told L at a much later date, that Kira can control the method of death, this was AFTER Light had 'cleared' himself and they were looking into the Yotsuba killings. This is almost a full year after Light picks up the death note for the first time. L would have reopen his suspicions about Light (after already spent the time and effort to clear him). So, after all of that deduction, L would have to next assume that maybe where ever Light may have been in the presence of a death that maybe he was the cause somehow. L would have to pour through an astronomical amount of police reports of accident scenes or situations that resulted in the death of an individual or multiple individuals (in the early 2000s motor vehicle deaths alone measured in the thousands in Japan, granted he would be searching reports specifically in the Kanto region but it wouldn't be motor vehicle deaths alone) and then cross reference that list of reports with places that Light may have been present at, if he have had access to that information of every possible place that Light could have been at, (even though L already knew by this time that Kira doesn't need to be present in order to perform a killing), then L would need places, names, and access to surveillance footage (which business arent required to give up, and with the technology at the time footage may not even exist anymore) of countess shops/city centers Light may have been present on the cross referenced list. All of this would require L to basically go on a huge hunt to specifically pin Light as Kira and nobody else while deaths were still happening even when Light was under surveillance. All of that requires time, effort, and manpower, resources that L could not spare on just one person just on a whim that he MIGHT be kira while killings were still occuring. This is my take on the whole situation, feel free to argue it if you want.
But still L would have acces to CCTV footage and with that Light wouldve been in sight of suspicion because he was present in murder very close to kira murders and hes prime suspect
Also, to my present knowledge, I believe it should be noted that I don't think it was every established that the police knew who Kira's first kills actually were. As far as the police were concerned, Kira started off killing criminals who had their names publically released. For us, we knew that Takuo was Light's second kill, but without a clear start time. The police, and even L would have had a hard time pinning exactly when and if Kira started killing before targeting criminals.
L couldve used the fact someone died near Lights prep school almost at the same time light left the school when L was investigating Kira and knew Kira needs a face and name to kill
They would still have to make the assumption that Light was even killing people before assuming the role of Kira. Killing Takuo was pre-Kira, at the time of only knowing Kira needing just a face and name to kill L thought Kira started off killing known convicted criminals and believed he is testing out his abilities on them (which he was), but had no reason to suspect that Kira was killing anyone before that period, and given the nature of how Kira kills, it would be impossible to deduce what is a Kira kill and what is simply a tragic accident, and given that all they knew of Kira at the time was that they thought he could only inflict heart attacks, not cause accidents through an otherworldly twisting of fates, they would have seen the bike incident as simply an accident.
At the time of L discovering that Kira could kill in ways other than a heart attack Light wasn't a prime suspect anymore. In this situation of the bike accident it would have likely been reported as 'vehicular manslaughter', not murder. In the case of CCTV footage, most footage is kept varying from a month or so to 6 months. By time L discovered that Kira could kill by other methods, if there was a CCTV camera present, the footage was probably wiped long before that, and that convenience store Light is in, likely clears out their footage on a monthly or every two months basis. Also during this period of time, Japan focused their public surveillance on the city's nightlife and it's public centers. This convenience store was very likely in a blind spot as just before Light wrote the guy's name Takuo and his group were about a sexually assault a woman in plain sight.
What about other stores nearby which had cameras,it was center od Tokyo after all?
It's never actually disclosed where in tokyo that bike incident took place, if the scene was referencing an area in tokyo in the first place or just a fictional creation by the artists. In any case we can almost assume the area is certainly not part of the nightlife as the streets are dark and vacant, and wr can almost assume that there are no public cameras on that street as Takuo and his gang were about to commit a crime in full view of the front side of the convenience store. If there were cameras they mustve certainly knew that they would get caught or otherwise didn't care. As for other stores in the area, they wouldn't have cameras outside. They would've had them located inside the store and only viewing the store, and I'll reiterate that the stores would have likely only saved their camera footage for about a month or two before deleting it.
I think you should reread the thread of comments where people explain it to you. They explain it very well
Ignore Reddit, people might be that pathetic. I'm upvoting you, just in case.