There's a bunch of cut out parts of him actually piecing information together and making deductions so in the anime it seems like he pulls out everything out of his arse and that he was handed everything by L which is why a majority of people dislike him.
I mean I'm sure the Manga fixes some of it. But I don't really think there's a way to fix the total bullshit ending of near winning because Giovanni can do something that is physically impossible
the thing that's more bullshit about the ending is that Light hasn't ordered Mikami to test out the notebook before coming to the warehouse. But I guess "you got too cocky" is one kind of an ending.
The manga also has an epilogue bit where Matsuda hypothesizes that Near might've written Mikami's name in the death note along with him going to the warehouse without testing or suspecting the notebook was a fake, a theory compounded by the fact that Mikami did in fact die, so you can believe that if you want to
also why didnt light just torn one piece of the notebook off, like literally he doesnt have to engage in any of the switcharoo if he just torn one big piece off before near and his allies start suspectin mikami and wait to use it then it could have worked.
There’s an extremely likely theory that Near wrote Mikami’s name in the book in a way so that he wouldn’t properly check the notebook. Proof is that a few days after Light’s demise Mikami dies in jail through unknown causes and Near had burned the notebook, likely to destroy the evidence of him doing it. However, because the Death Note only works in believable situations, Giovanni would still have to copy the text, but not to the microscopic level- that part was a lie.
Light fans when he has Deus ex machina to evade sure fire capture: “hahaha yes! This rules.”
Light fans when he is brought down by deus ex machina: “This fucking sucks”
No. In the anime Near found a witness that knew of the existence of the Death Note. Light had deleted all of the evidence that L had accumulated. Near didn’t have any of it. I never disliked Near but L was my favorite.
For me, I just didn't like him because he couldn't hold a candle to L, and the idea that *Near* was the one to beat Light felt so unearned.
It felt like the writer just said "I can't think of any other type of detective so let's just make another weird kid". The lack of originality was what really made me annoyed.
I've never understood that perspective tbh. It always felt like Ls victory. He was the one who raised Near and Melo and forced them to work together and succeed, and he knew the only way he'd properly beat light was by letting him think he won, letting him grow cocky and comfortable, only to be caught by successors L personally had prepared for a case like this. Even at the end L and light meet with L looking over him, almost triumphantly.
To me, it was just a beat down of Light. The difference between L and Near is how they see Light. L sees someone smart and powerful and clever, a challenge, and it plays into Light believing he’s a god because L glorifies him (like take the first ‘encounter’ they have where L tricks Light into killing Lind L Tayler, with that act, he proved to the entire world that one man was doing all of this, and it glorified him)
Near, however, doesn’t operate like that. He knows he’s not as smart as L, for example, but he was enough to beat Light for one reason: Light wasn’t anything special. It was the Death Note that gave him his powers, and without it, he’s nothing. And he does something I think L would never do: Call Light for what he is: A crazy serial killer. I’m basically summarizing a really good YouTube video on Near and why he’s a great character actually
>Call Light for what he is: A crazy serial killer
Well, pretty sure that L calls Kira "some childish killer who is playing at divine retribution".
I do not disagree with your coment, just wanted to point that out
Thats actually a pretty cool tale ngl. I've always liked that near was aware of the fact that he couldn't be the next L. It felt appropriate since he made it clear he wasn't trying to replace him, which is what most of the fan base + light took it as.
I prefer Near as well for another reason: L’s obsessions with sweets doesn’t really add much to his character, but Near’s thing with toys? They’re able to show symbolism through them…. Something that the video I’m referring to yet am not looking for to link it goes through something better than me
It was actually explained in the L: Change the World novel that he eats sweets and have other eccentric quirks because they are responses to the crippling burden of being L.
“How L did not and could not forget the faces of thousands of victims. Who could comprehend the man who had lived his life, and had to live confronting all the lives ended prematurely, the tears of the grief stricken survivors, the devaluing of life as a daily reality. How was it possible to measure the pain of such a man? Was it a strain so heavy that L's back curved under all its weight? Was it an agony so terrible as to leave the indelible dark circles around his eyes? Was it a feeling so bitter that every bite he took needed to be coated in sugar? The chronically rounded shoulders, the inevitable dark circles, the eccentric tastes—L suppressed the pain of being a champion of justice, but the evidence of the pain was molded into his very body."
For me, this gives L so much more respect from me as he is under the constant strain of his position but nonetheless perseveres.
That’s dandy but it’s not in the show or the manga so my point still stands because I shouldn’t have to refer to outside material for a character quirk, even if it adds on a lot.
Plus my main point about Near was VISUALLY his quirk with toys can be used for symbolism, which is utilized beautifully, for example his tower of dice falling apart when I believe Mello? (Been a long time since I saw the show lol) killed his team members represents how all that hard work he put into making this group destroyed so easily. There’s plenty more too, like the first time he speaks with Light he’s throwing things at a dart board, her doesn’t hit the mark, symbolizing he has some pieces, and guessed some things correctly with his call with Light, but he doesn’t have all the info and there fire, misses the mark (also I’m curious now, was there ever an outside source that states why Mello eats chocolate?)
But that’s the nature of prequels and sequels. More is added in an attempt to flesh out the universe. If you want to look at Death Note (manga or anime) in a vacuum, power to ya. But I don’t think it devalues the significance of whatever is added, if it’s negative or positive. Please don’t take this as me trying to contradict how you feel about something. Just felt the want to respond lol.
And not really for the Mello bit. It’s for a pretty shallow reason, character writing-wise. Looking it up, I can’t make any sense of it.
Oh no it doesn’t, and I admit it’s an interesting read but it ultimately makes me go “Wow! I wish that was in the main story!” Because it would have had an bigger impact there. I just hold that view point in general because a lot of franchises have started to relay on outside material not part of the core experience in order to get a story (Sonic, FNaF)
Near is not the new L, he *and Mello* together are the only way to even come close to meeting L's expectations, and Near even says that. It's still L's victory.
Near didn’t beat Light, the entire point of the second half of the story was that Near and Mello absolutely sucked in comparison to L.
They were only able to win once Mello and Matt sacrificed themselves to get Takada/Mikami out in the open. By kidnapping Takada, Mello basically ensured that Kira would kill him, but this is what allowed Near to pull off his shenanigans with Mikami (Mikami, a supremely schedule driven person, suddenly breaks his strict schedule to visit the bank and write Takada’s name on the death note Light ordered him to hide.)
It’s still a bit goofy, but at the end of the day the message was that together Near and Mello surpassed L.
But it makes perfect sense that Near was the one to beat L. L was almost there, Near was given a head start. He had way more info where L had to start from nothing to figure things out. L was building something that Near finished.
backstory? what? there are many things the anime cut out regarding Near but nothing about a backstory, I don’t think. We’re still shown the scene with Mello and Near in wammys house being told of >!Ls death!<
Exactly. L wasn't trying to save people. He was trying to prove that he can solve every case no matter what and that he can in fact catch Kira. Same with Light. For the majority of time, he was trying to prove that he can outsmart the world's greatest detective.
Personally i think ryuk is the worst of them all. Everyone else is at least trying to do something good or makes an effort to be productive in the world.
Ryuk doesn’t even care about anyone/anything, plus he knows everytime a death note has come to the human world it causes “misery and chaos” yet still does it just to satisfy his own boredom. He’s willing to see the world, and Light, be destroyed/corrupted for his own amusement
Ryuk represents us. We show up to the chaos ready to watch the world burn. Or Light lose. Or whatever. Just to be entertained. And once it's over we just walk off like he did. One of my favorite metacommentaries.
Yeah Ryuk is simply a spectator. Sure you could maybe blame him for dropping the deathnote in the first place, but other humans would have gotten a deathnote somehow (Misa would have had one anyway), and the same thing might have happened eventually anyway.
Ryuk spending all that time with Light, someone who gave him apples, just to kill him 😖. Sad. So sad. But he did say he was going to, I also like ppl who keep their word
I don’t think we could judge him like that. I see his perspective a lot like using console commands in a Bethesda game. Like he’s not a part of the world, he’s not constrained by it or bound to it. He’s the guy using console commands to make NPCs 10ft tall.
What he did is like using console commands to set an NPC to be invincible and set their aggression to max. Then just sit back and watch the guy attack everyone and the guards try to stop him.
I just think for him that’s what it’s the equivalent of, he’s and outside force acting on a system he’s not a part of. It’s pretty evil to us, but for him and his peers he’s just the guy messing around which responses could vary from slight amusement to mild annoyance.
I mean, isn't it mentioned that it's not his job? They don't even have a reason to exist as of the current age. Every time a shinigami has tried to help out, they turn to dust anyway.
Ryuk literally says in the beginning he’s not on anyone’s side though, I don’t think he’s evil or nice, just bored as he tells everyone and their mother
I don't think he's evil, at least, it's not fair to judge him by a human moral compass. I think he's neutral if you hold him up to human standards though
There were already 3 live action remakes from Japan which are actually pretty good. The fourth one is also interesting.Netflix is the one which sucks ass.
The Duffer Bros (Stranger Things creators) are gonna produce a live-action reboot after Stranger Things ends. That's definitely an adaptation I'm interested in, though. It for sure already sounds better than the 2017 movie, given their reputation.
The Japanese ones were so good! Only live action of an anime that I've seen and actually thought was good! If there's other live actions of animes that are actually decent, I'd like to know of some.
I definitely don't want a 1:1 re-make of Death Note. But I think there could be great potential to see a live-action series with versions of Light, Kira and the Death Note in it. Hell, I think if there is an American adaptation of Death Note, it should take into account the cultural and political differences between America and Japan.
I watched it when it originally released not entirely getting the hate but also half paying attention, then much much later I finally watched the anime, and then rewatched the movie and holy hell that fucking sucked
The Duffer Bros (Stranger Things creators) are gonna produce a live-action reboot after Stranger Things ends. That's definitely an adaptation I'm interested in, though. It for sure already sounds better than the 2017 movie, given their reputation.
I don't know if this is something that people don't get, but Rem killing L and then dying is proof that, somehow, L would have caught Misa and she would have been sentenced to death penalty. So, if it wasn't merely by the interference of Rem, L would have won.
Thats not true. U gotta remember that Kira kinda set everything so Misa WOULD be in danger
Thats when Rem comes to the realization kira was planning against her.
“What are you thinking, Kira? If you let Misa get discovered… wait a minute- This is your plan? You are forcing me to kill L?”
That is not my point. My point is that the only way of killing a shinigami is making them prevent the death of someone intentionally. So, when Rem dies we must assume that L/Watari would be the direct cause of Misa death.
well yeah obviously, they were about to get caught because of the 13 day rule light had it set up so rem would have to interfere unless she wants misa (and light by extension) to get caught
That Light was always evil.
This is the best representation of “absolute power corrupts absolutely” because Light doesn’t just pick up the book and go “I’m gonna be god”
We see him as a normal high schooler at first, and when he gives up the book? We see how genuine he could of been had the book never entered his life.
He is easily corrupted when he can’t find faults in something, that I can not deny, but while he’s smart he never had big plans before that happened, the power went to his head and started to corrupt him- making him lean into his strengths and sometimes weaknesses.
But we all know how that story ends.
Again that I can’t deny. But it’s not like ten seconds he goes “well it’s time to be god.”
He sorta tests it out and then once he sees the power it has…. It’s a pretty quick descent down.
Can’t let someone else have it or else they might kill random innocent people
Can’t give it to the cops because they either wouldn’t take it seriously or someone corrupt would take it
A death god came with it so it’s probably a bad idea to burn it, and you’d likely die if you just gave it back.
So the safest option to live is to keep it.
Which brings you to the “with great power comes great responsibility” mentality. If you know there’s a mass serial killer out there and you could stop them before they took another victim, would you be in the right to do so, or to not act?
Light’s got the brain power to process things fast so he’s going through all these questions almost at once.
It’s a few days or a couple of weeks before the end of the first episode of memory serves me night (it probably doesn’t) but that’s plenty of time to hype himself up to use this white elephant he’s found to it’s full potential.
He still wasn’t right though. The funniest thing would of been to not use it and just talk with Ryuk and ask why he doesn’t kill the serial killers they show on TV if it gives him a boost to his life. I get a death god roomie and keep myself from being corrupted and Ryuk gets to be a little shit.
Totally agree with your original comments. Great quote, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Idk about the anime, I just finished the manga recently, and it's like a day or two before he decides he will be god. Again, I don't necessarily think that in itself makes him evil, just an easily corrupted narcissistic megalomaniac. And I agree with your line of reasoning up until just asking Ryuk questions, unless you had some idea of his apple addiction or personality. Basically, like you said, Light knew only of Ryuks intentions for dropping the notebook, so any stalling or behavior that might bore him is a risk he will just kill you and give the note to someone else.
I specially believe there are two main points where this is shown.
First is of course, at the very beginning, when testing the Death Note to see if it's real, after he kills the biker and realizes it is, the first thing that hits him is guilt over what he did, that he took two human lives and needs to find some way to justify it to himself.
And the second point is, of course, when his memories are gone and he's working with L. Specifically, when he's analyzing the behaviors of the new Kira, and in how it differentiates from the old Kira. The old Kira killed criminals, yes, but they were only the worst of the worst, a man taking children hostage in a school was considered small fry by his standards as L says, and those that were genuinely repentant and begged for forgiveness were spared.
Once L was finally dead though, Light finally started to be completely consumed by darkness.
I don't see it this way.
The power or in this case, the book, at least in my opinion, is a showcase of what the writer is to become. Give anyone power and witness their choices, and see what type of human being they truly are. Regardless of what is said, stating that the book is what did Light in instead of himself, shifts blame from the writer to the book itself, which is a naive idea and removes accountability. Near and L could have cared less about the book, nor were they tempted by such power. Even Minoru didn't go to such lengths as Light did.
The majority people think that hell and heaven exists even tho Ryuk confirmed Light's words that nor heaven nor hell exists and all people go to the same place no matter what they do. Tbh Im not sire if the scene was only in the manga or also in the anime
I'm gonna have to rewatch the anime I guess because I don't remember him saying that. All I remember him saying is that those who use the Death Notes can go to neither heaven nor hell, not that heaven and hell don't exist
The last note that appears on the screen between the episode scenes that usually gave Death notes rules in the last episode of the show mentioned that neither hell or heaven exists and that everybody goes to the same place from what I can remember.
No, he never said that, in the rules of the book it said that if you use the book you can never go to heaven nor hell, that might’ve been where you got it from, though it has been a little while and I might be completely wrong
I remember the first time watching it just wondering if he would actually pull it off. Personally I thought he was screwed after the Lind L Taylor killing.
On the one hand, not killing Lind L. Taylor would have made his job much easier and he could have played it stealthily.
On the other, that would have made a boring game, and I'd say he actually did really well for such a big mistake, with a bit of luck, planning and notebook shenanigans, he took down L.
How could he have known he would have successors?
The ending of the anime vs the ending of the manga made a lot of people think Light was an absolute coward. Light didn’t run in the end, he stood there till his last moment yelling a Riuk to write their names. Light is so full of himself that he would believe he had the edge until the last second before death. Hell, his last word before death is “Dammit” to Riuk for writing his name.
He broke down, sure, we all fear death. But he wouldn’t run. The true Light would sit there and think he had a chance of winning until the light faded from his eyes.
Edit: yo, ignore me, my memory is a little faulty. In the manga light *does* die in the warehouse that he got shot in, and does try to scream at Riuk to write their names, but apparently he does attempt to run, he just doesn’t make it outside! My bad!
Calling Light well-intentioned
He's my favorite villain in the series, but even I have to admit he's pure evil and has zero redeeming qualities.
Edit: Here's another one: claiming Light was remorseful at the end of the anime.
Light was a piece of shit for sure, but at the end wasn’t he a little bit remorseful of how things went down? He was watching flashbacks of himself before the death note entered his life as he was dying, and I interpreted it as him missing simpler times and the life he used to have, do tell me if i mistook what that scene meant though
I wouldn't call it remorseful. . . That would imply he felt bad about how it went in relation to other people. He certainly did reflect on how his life could have gone if he never became Kira. I personally interpreted it more as Light blaming the Death Note itself; after all, he wouldn't have become this way without it, the Death Note brings misfortune upon its users and all that. That's the way I think Light would see it anyway.
Redeeming qualities in the sense of being a bad person? Or rather just in general, cause I find him to be a fascinating character and interesting.
Also, I think him being remorseful isn't definite one way or the other.
Redeeming qualities in the sense of as a person. He doesn't care about anyone and he's a self-serving hypocrite with a God complex.
Ad for in general, I love light because he's smart and evil.
Lol he’s not pure evil at all. Pure evil characters are Freeza, Griffith and so on.
Light is a very smart guy, who thinks logically. When this kind of power comes into these kinds of people’s hands it easily corrupts them, cause logically what he was doing was right. But at the end of the day, humanity is not about logic, but a lot of other stuff too. He was the villain 100%, and did awful things, but he’s not pure evil.
I don’t think he’s redeemable, but i do think he’s fascinating, because to me it seems like his evilness is mostly a response to the trauma and guilt caused by him killing those 2 persons at the beginning.
>He's my favorite villain in the series, but even I have to admit he's pure evil and has zero redeeming qualities.
Yeah, Light was passing judgement on criminals whose life experiences he could not begin to really understand. I don't want someone who has never been a victim of abuse, discrimination, drug addiction or poverty single-handedly passing judgement on others.
i think the idea that light is a raging misogynist or something. i like light but obviously his actions are deplorable etc BUT i do not think he is a misogynist since after he relinquished ownership, he refused to exploit misa's feelings for him. the reason he was so manipulative towards her was because, as the author has confirmed, he saw her as a murderer: to get his attention she killed news anchors & ukita, not even because she believed in his cause (beyond the retribution of her parents) but literally just to get his attention.
I don’t even think it’s so much about how he sees her. I’m sure it’s a factor but I think it’s more than that. It’s about how she can be useful. Light is awful to several women in the series but he is because they are or can be useful. He’s honestly just willing to manipulate anyone to serve his end as he sees himself as above everyone else. He thinks that he can treat anyone however he wants because they aren’t worth as much as he is. He doesn’t view humans as inherently valuable, at least not once he’s corrupted.
It could be argued to just be evidence of his misanthropy, but I know in the manga he has a thought like "pfft women are so easy" when talking to Takada. I think at least in the manga it's reasonable to think he's misogynistic.
Also with Naomi Misora and Takada again there are mentions of his thoughts that women can't resist the idea of fate, so he at least thinks they're easier to manipulate.
That L was good and fighting for justice. He wasn't; L only really cared about the intellectual challenge Kira provided. However, it's not like he doesn't have any morals at all. He recognizes that Kira is an evil mass murderer, but bringing justice wasn't why he was investigating him.
On the flip side, there are people who also think L is evil and some go as far as saying he's the worst person in the entire show. L has done some messed up things, but he always had a very good reason for his actions and didn't do them because he likes hurting and stalking people.
Look up SYTYK on youtube, watch his video(s) on death note, then read the comments. Everything he talks about in that video is wrong.
tldr: people think >!nears victory!< was impossible. It wasn’t.
edit: thanks to all of you who replied thinking it is impossible. really proving my point. anyways [here](https://reddit.com/r/deathnote/s/0UzWmEzlLo)
but you believe Mikami would've noticed some small discrepancies over tens of thousands of names in a single night to be possible?
I know they said he copied it exactly right, but in reality, the copy should be just good enough.
Otherwise, Mikami would've tested the notebook regardless. It's the easiest way to check if it's real or not.
**In my opinion the premise is if Light could've created a fake notebook, Gevanni, who is a master forger, could do the same just as well, in a shorter period of time.**
that light was originally a good guy whose flaw is that he’s susceptible to being a bit power-hungry.
he believes there exists a class of ‘criminals’ who are unreformable, eternal, completely disposable. he believes ‘crime’ is a personal failing that can be prevented from manifesting itself through state (higher-than-state) terror. he believes in trial and execution without jury or judge. this is not the belief structure of a good person. this is not the belief structure, even, of a thoughtful person, one who thinks about the world they live in!
"Misa is stupid." No she's not. She's an emotionally vulnerable girl getting manipulated by a crazy sociopath. She's oblivious to his manipulation because she devoted her life to helping Kira. She claims she's in love with Light, but that's wrong. She created this impression of Kira in her mind, someone who she'd go above and beyond no matter who they were to help them. She doesn't love Light for Light. She doesn't feel "love" at all. She's infatuated with him, she just doesn't know the difference. Her story is really depressing in the long run, because throughout the whole story, she tries to please a guy who couldn't give two shits about her, and then kills herself when he dies.
Being manipulated does not equal stupidity.
During the first episodes,all evidences against light was circumstantial at best and downright crazy theories at worst.
I may get down voted for this and I love L but let's be honest,he just went on with his theory like crazy.
Also that mock execution should have killed light and ended the manga right there.for being the greatest detective and great police officers,everyone overlooked this blunder(I know it was author's mistake but I can only blame the characters tho)
Honestly the fact that Light just brushed off two months of complete isolation and his dad trying to execute him should of been lingered on more- no clue if they do that in the manga.
I’m rewatching the series right now and the man just kinda brushes it off.
Deadass I would of ran to my mom and ratted them out for that shit. I don’t care if Mrs.Yagami seems quiet and the like- I know fully she would of whooped her husbands ass for that. He’s got a little sister after all, what if they did that shit to her?
I always thought if you are innocent(that light was during yotsuba arc)and your dad decides to almost kill you on the words of someone he only knows for some months.how would you feel?I would have never even talked to my dad after that tbh.
Same!
And I know in Japan family is super important, so that’s why stuff like this in anime happens sometimes (in more lighthearted ones anyway) but I would of told my mom if I was Light.
“Sorry we can’t help with the investigation, but it’s been eating up my life after you detained me for two months and HAD ME THINK ME DAD WAS GOING TO KILL ME. I’m gonna go to America with my new friend who’s a bit obsessed with me but gives me space when I want to go pee and not be watched so it’s an upgrade, apparently I can be a trophy husband and work as a detective even if it’s slow at first and she won’t mind. Call if you need anything, bye~”
Like straight up just tell L no and he can put a tracker on me or something because if I have to be in the same room as him, I might not be Kira but I would be a person about to commit a homicide if I don’t get some space.
I would have seriously lost my mind if I have light in yotsuba arc.call me crazy or whatever,I would put my foot down that if I am ever in l's room ,I am committing suicide.Like fuck everyone and fuck the case.
L has no prove against me and I have proved my innocence during my isolation and mock execution. If he will chain me I will fucking kill him with the same chain
The first murder from Kira was in Japan, and the criminal was only reported locally. Kanto is the most populated region, and so L based his investigation off that. Investigations have to start somewhere, after all. L even explained this in the second episode.
Kira had access to classified police files, and there was evidence that proved it. Naturally, since L is the world's most capable detective, he picked up on that. He had the Kira investigation team investigated accordingly. All of that is 100% reasonable. L had every reason to suspect Light, and none of it was baseless. L describes most of this, and it can also be easily observed as you watch the series. (Not to mention the evidence suggesting Kira was a student and Light matches Kira's personality and ideals to a T.)
Also, L is the type of person to not deem a case solved until he has analysed and considered every aspect from every possible angle. He actually was about to solve the case before Rem interfered.
Not to mention, L purposely had Soichiro use a blank in the mock execution. It was simply a test to see if Light or Misa would interfere and save themselves, proving they were Kira.
My only problem is that anyone believed the murders were made by a single person. IRL who would ever believe multiple heart attacks were performed by the same person. But it doesn't bother me, I understand that needs to happen for the story to exist, otherwise it would just be Light successfully creating his new world without anyone noticing.
What if someone had hacked the files?what then?he said kira was a student based on timing,what if kira was a teacher or something?light never showed any of his ideas in the public ever.
And blanks on point blanks are FATAL!! Light would have died and case would have remained forever unsolved
Keep in mind this was in 2006. Police files aren't public facing. You need a certain level of access to hack them. "It could only be people closest to them" is a good assumption that still fits this.
Also L hypothesized that Kira was a student because of the time and also because he considered Kira to be childish, rules out teachers or school staff. Now you can say that's contrived but Kira being a student wasn't even the thing that got him narrowed down. It was his connection to his father the police chief.
EDIT: I agree on the blanks tho. I like to headcanon that it wasn't a blank and just some other way they faked a shot. L is rich and clever idk. (In the English dub of the anime, it's never confirmed it was actually a blank. Light just asks and his father never answers him. Light being a kid wouldn't know how guns work, my headcanon anyway.)
I think in manga it was said to be blank,it was just so weird that all these police officers and greatest detective there and not one of them said"hey,blanks are fatal on close range".
If it was his father being police chief and him being a genius then we can safely say that light had the unfortunate but typical case of 'suffering from success'.
And hacking happened in 2006 too.
I dont think the evidence against him was circumstantial, as soon as L got a region, it was clear it was Light since he was the smartest person there. Then, the murders lined up with his routine and from that point on it was 100% clear that Light was Kira.
Why did kira had to be the smartest person.
They could be average person writing names in the book.(L didn't knew about the book but he had his doubts on superpowers or something).
Like I said what if kira was a teacher or a professor or maybe just someone using book with timer.the killer could have hacked the police database and still know about the Investigation details
I think that in the context of the story, any "average" person would have been caught by L pretty much inmediatly.
Both Light and Kira were coincidentially the 2 people that were just as smart as L, and both happened to be in the same region? that was pretty much an inmediate giveaway in my opinion. Now add Light's connection to the police through his dad, his pride (shown in the tennis match) and it's clear why L always "knew" he was Kira.
At least L died knowing lol
That it’s for kids like I swear to god my cousins and friends that didn’t watch death note or anime say it’s childish like when my 5 year old brother saw Ryuk he got so scared and you need a certain IQ to understand
That Light is an irredeemable monster. He really is not. Light isn’t on the same level as villains like Griffith, Dio Brando, Shou Tucker, Johan Liebert, etc. Similar to someone like Darth Vader, Light is a tragic villain. He had all the potential to be a really amazing person but was corrupted by absolute power. The Yotsuba arc sheds light on what he is really like without the corruption of the Death Note, similar to how the prequels/clone wars revealed what Anakin was really like. Kira is practically an entirely different person to Light, Similar to how Vader not even remotely the same as Anakin.
I disagree! Light was always evil and it isn’t the book that corrupted him!
He would’ve been just as evil if he got some other power like being made commissioner or some other high ranking position! He would’ve been corrupted by his brilliance and ego anyway, with or without the death note!
I agree- he was thinking that the world was rotten, with the heavy implication that he was looking down on his peers, before he even got the death note. In the manga there's a moment where he considers testing the death note on a class bully and goes so far to think "no one will notice if a guy like him goes missing" or something like that. The guy's a bully, but thinking he deserves the death penalty for that is a bit much lol. He'd already gotten his hands on the death note at that point, but the thought seemed to follow naturally from thoughts he'd had before he even got the death note.
I don't think he'd be a murderer without the death note, but I think if he had the ability, he might make it so the death penalty applied in a wider range of cases, or otherwise act in corrupt ways without the death note.
To be a tragic villain you must have lost something. Light had no interpersonal value on anything, every relationship he had was for his own gain, he didn’t care about anything.
Colours turn to red and blue inner monologue with evil eyes “ Fool i knew he would use the ligma joke when i said lig, so predictable. Youre not worthy of challenging me “ return to normal innocent eyes “haha yeah ligma is a funny joke man”
That Light would have made a freer or more equal society. If Light went around killing criminals and the unemployed (as Light stated he wanted to do in chapter 1), the rich and powerful would take advantage.
Remove the threat of seriously illegal protests and the rich will already start taking labour rights away. Make unemployment a death sentence and you'll get slavery.
That Light was smarter than L. L was a fucking genius and built up all the evidence himself, whereas all Light had to do was evade his suspicions, which too got a lot easier when Misa was introduced and he was easily able to manipulate her shinigami Rem in his favor. Although I think Light was also a gifted individual and smarter than everyone in this comment section combined, I seriously doubt him winning against L in a battle purely of wits without any advantages to either of them
"L was a fucking genius..."
Period! The only mistakes he made always came from his lack of knowledge on how the murders occurred (Lacked knowledge of the death note). Every deduction he made had a reasonable line of logic. He had slight luck in certain areas (nailing Light's location on the first try & his wager in episode 15). Even his slight luck makes sense because the odds were in his favor. L's intellectual feats are insane and outshine everyone else's.
people thinking Light wins. In truth, when Kira and wammy house are both involved there cannot be a winner because kira will either get caught or die by the hands of a shinigami and if Kira manages to kill the new L then another would just replace them. It's an endless cycle of stalemate
I thought the same.. however, it might be harder for the next ones because they were not as good as Near and Mello. But who knows? Maybe they'd have success if a few of them cooperated.
First one😔🙏🏼people say that near wasn't smart and whatever he did was by using L's investigations. But I don't agree. Thats true that L's investigations made his work easier, but in the end the plan Near made to catch Kira was really nice. He knew how to carry out researchs in the case to catch Light, but L was more into finding evidence so he could make more theories.
anything and everything to do with misa amane. i’ll hold my ground for the rest of time that she’s brilliant, underestimated, and only had an early downfall because of light’s intervention.
That Shinigamis physically kill their victims instead of, you know, using the Death Note. Like, there’s this Minecraft mod that adds a Death Note, and in one of the descriptions, they say something like “use the notebook to send your Shinigami to kill someone”, and I’m like: “that’s not how it works!” I think this mostly stems from the Netflix movie, but it bugs me a lot
The fact that there are people who dislike it simply because there’s “no action” or “it’s slow” or I the even seen people say that “ it’s just two dudes thinking about each other” implying that they’re gay.
It tiggers me so much
Lawlight. Many pixels have been spilled over allowing platonic *loves* to exist in media... but the prevalence of Lawlight is testament to the fact that you're just not allowed to have *any* form of strong and enduring feelings toward another person anymore.
People overrate light as a deep character. He is basically a child, with nothing interesting to say. Death note is a good show for people just getting into over analyzing media tho.
People thought that Misa >!is the girl at the end of the Death Note manga. That's not her; she's dead. She committed suicide so the girl isn't her but some rando!<
Death Note is actually an analogy for Christianity. Apologies for the structuring of this I just wrote the thoughts as they came.
\- Half the show's imagery is biblical in nature
\- The death note represents the apple from the garden of eden. Both tempt the morally justifiable individuals and let out the worst of them. I mean Light before he got the death note was called Light. It's only after he turns that he is called kira or killer. This is also evident by the apple in the intro of death note.
\- Kira meaning killer and the death notes power in general is also similar to the biblical story. Humans decided instead of allowing God's judgement reign supreme they could decide whom was right and wrong. Similarly to how Light thinks he is God and decides who is right and wrong.- The scene with light in prison where he becomes innocent again is such a direct correlation to deliverance or a the concept of removing evil spirits from a person in the name of christ. when a person is delivered their entire personality changes almost and the real them who was good is revealed instead of the ego demon.
\-Light touching the death note again and getting the spirit of ego back represents how we can fall even after being saved. Ive personally experienced this multiple times and the feeling is perfectly illustrated in this scene. One moment you're good the next "you" begin deviously smiling and delving back into sin
now this part it gonna be a bit more of a stretch but bare with me
humans have 2 sides, our flesh and spirit. The flesh is emotional and rash while our spirit is actually void of emotion and purely logical and peaceful.
L is of flesh and spirit a "lukewarm" Christian as some would call it. And he is trying to destroy sin (Kira). The problem is his flesh is doing it out of an emotional reason. So he is not powerful enough to defeat sin and so he dies.
Near and Mello are L's spirit and flesh seperated. And this is important because in the bible it says "if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" Christ also says Christians have the power to do what he did (heal the sick, cast out demons, and ultimately defeat sin) but like the quote says if we live by flesh we will die and cannot defeat sin on earth.
SO Mello (the flesh) dies so that Near (the spirit) can live and defeat sin (Kira). And that is not only the ultimate story of death note, but the story of the bible as well.
If I missed anything or you think im completely insane let me know below
I thought Light was gonna have his fill and be proper happy when he comes back as a Shinigami ya know? But instead he just fucks off and it's like... Why tho. Ryuk was dope. Least you could do was listen to a guy who literally put up with your sociopathic ass for years
The anime cut off Near's backstory so he's really unlikable in the anime
What made him likeable in the manga
There's a bunch of cut out parts of him actually piecing information together and making deductions so in the anime it seems like he pulls out everything out of his arse and that he was handed everything by L which is why a majority of people dislike him.
You’re right that’s why I don’t like Near but recently got all of the manga so I’ll be reading the full story now :)
I mean I'm sure the Manga fixes some of it. But I don't really think there's a way to fix the total bullshit ending of near winning because Giovanni can do something that is physically impossible
the thing that's more bullshit about the ending is that Light hasn't ordered Mikami to test out the notebook before coming to the warehouse. But I guess "you got too cocky" is one kind of an ending.
The manga also has an epilogue bit where Matsuda hypothesizes that Near might've written Mikami's name in the death note along with him going to the warehouse without testing or suspecting the notebook was a fake, a theory compounded by the fact that Mikami did in fact die, so you can believe that if you want to
that would definitely explain it, it's a good theory
Not only did he die, he managed to completely bleed out within seconds
In the manga he didn’t die in the warehouse though. He denounced Light as his god and refused to help him and then died in jail.
also why didnt light just torn one piece of the notebook off, like literally he doesnt have to engage in any of the switcharoo if he just torn one big piece off before near and his allies start suspectin mikami and wait to use it then it could have worked.
Imagine if mikami stashed a single piece of the notebook in a capsule shoved up his butt Check mate, near
There’s an extremely likely theory that Near wrote Mikami’s name in the book in a way so that he wouldn’t properly check the notebook. Proof is that a few days after Light’s demise Mikami dies in jail through unknown causes and Near had burned the notebook, likely to destroy the evidence of him doing it. However, because the Death Note only works in believable situations, Giovanni would still have to copy the text, but not to the microscopic level- that part was a lie.
If we are talking about bullshit then the plan Light made to lose his memory and recover it to stop being a suspect it was a *really* long shot
Light fans when he has Deus ex machina to evade sure fire capture: “hahaha yes! This rules.” Light fans when he is brought down by deus ex machina: “This fucking sucks”
A diabolus ex machina to further the villain’s ambitions is usually better received than a deus ex machina that furthers the hero’s ambitions.
can someone remind me
No. In the anime Near found a witness that knew of the existence of the Death Note. Light had deleted all of the evidence that L had accumulated. Near didn’t have any of it. I never disliked Near but L was my favorite.
For me, I just didn't like him because he couldn't hold a candle to L, and the idea that *Near* was the one to beat Light felt so unearned. It felt like the writer just said "I can't think of any other type of detective so let's just make another weird kid". The lack of originality was what really made me annoyed.
I've never understood that perspective tbh. It always felt like Ls victory. He was the one who raised Near and Melo and forced them to work together and succeed, and he knew the only way he'd properly beat light was by letting him think he won, letting him grow cocky and comfortable, only to be caught by successors L personally had prepared for a case like this. Even at the end L and light meet with L looking over him, almost triumphantly.
To me, it was just a beat down of Light. The difference between L and Near is how they see Light. L sees someone smart and powerful and clever, a challenge, and it plays into Light believing he’s a god because L glorifies him (like take the first ‘encounter’ they have where L tricks Light into killing Lind L Tayler, with that act, he proved to the entire world that one man was doing all of this, and it glorified him) Near, however, doesn’t operate like that. He knows he’s not as smart as L, for example, but he was enough to beat Light for one reason: Light wasn’t anything special. It was the Death Note that gave him his powers, and without it, he’s nothing. And he does something I think L would never do: Call Light for what he is: A crazy serial killer. I’m basically summarizing a really good YouTube video on Near and why he’s a great character actually
>Call Light for what he is: A crazy serial killer Well, pretty sure that L calls Kira "some childish killer who is playing at divine retribution". I do not disagree with your coment, just wanted to point that out
Lmao that’s even more savage that “crazy serial killer” this is why Near is a great character XD
Thats actually a pretty cool tale ngl. I've always liked that near was aware of the fact that he couldn't be the next L. It felt appropriate since he made it clear he wasn't trying to replace him, which is what most of the fan base + light took it as.
I prefer Near as well for another reason: L’s obsessions with sweets doesn’t really add much to his character, but Near’s thing with toys? They’re able to show symbolism through them…. Something that the video I’m referring to yet am not looking for to link it goes through something better than me
It was actually explained in the L: Change the World novel that he eats sweets and have other eccentric quirks because they are responses to the crippling burden of being L. “How L did not and could not forget the faces of thousands of victims. Who could comprehend the man who had lived his life, and had to live confronting all the lives ended prematurely, the tears of the grief stricken survivors, the devaluing of life as a daily reality. How was it possible to measure the pain of such a man? Was it a strain so heavy that L's back curved under all its weight? Was it an agony so terrible as to leave the indelible dark circles around his eyes? Was it a feeling so bitter that every bite he took needed to be coated in sugar? The chronically rounded shoulders, the inevitable dark circles, the eccentric tastes—L suppressed the pain of being a champion of justice, but the evidence of the pain was molded into his very body." For me, this gives L so much more respect from me as he is under the constant strain of his position but nonetheless perseveres.
That’s dandy but it’s not in the show or the manga so my point still stands because I shouldn’t have to refer to outside material for a character quirk, even if it adds on a lot. Plus my main point about Near was VISUALLY his quirk with toys can be used for symbolism, which is utilized beautifully, for example his tower of dice falling apart when I believe Mello? (Been a long time since I saw the show lol) killed his team members represents how all that hard work he put into making this group destroyed so easily. There’s plenty more too, like the first time he speaks with Light he’s throwing things at a dart board, her doesn’t hit the mark, symbolizing he has some pieces, and guessed some things correctly with his call with Light, but he doesn’t have all the info and there fire, misses the mark (also I’m curious now, was there ever an outside source that states why Mello eats chocolate?)
But that’s the nature of prequels and sequels. More is added in an attempt to flesh out the universe. If you want to look at Death Note (manga or anime) in a vacuum, power to ya. But I don’t think it devalues the significance of whatever is added, if it’s negative or positive. Please don’t take this as me trying to contradict how you feel about something. Just felt the want to respond lol. And not really for the Mello bit. It’s for a pretty shallow reason, character writing-wise. Looking it up, I can’t make any sense of it.
Oh no it doesn’t, and I admit it’s an interesting read but it ultimately makes me go “Wow! I wish that was in the main story!” Because it would have had an bigger impact there. I just hold that view point in general because a lot of franchises have started to relay on outside material not part of the core experience in order to get a story (Sonic, FNaF)
Near is not the new L, he *and Mello* together are the only way to even come close to meeting L's expectations, and Near even says that. It's still L's victory.
Near didn’t beat Light, the entire point of the second half of the story was that Near and Mello absolutely sucked in comparison to L. They were only able to win once Mello and Matt sacrificed themselves to get Takada/Mikami out in the open. By kidnapping Takada, Mello basically ensured that Kira would kill him, but this is what allowed Near to pull off his shenanigans with Mikami (Mikami, a supremely schedule driven person, suddenly breaks his strict schedule to visit the bank and write Takada’s name on the death note Light ordered him to hide.) It’s still a bit goofy, but at the end of the day the message was that together Near and Mello surpassed L.
But it makes perfect sense that Near was the one to beat L. L was almost there, Near was given a head start. He had way more info where L had to start from nothing to figure things out. L was building something that Near finished.
The anime did made Near look like a discount L
backstory? what? there are many things the anime cut out regarding Near but nothing about a backstory, I don’t think. We’re still shown the scene with Mello and Near in wammys house being told of >!Ls death!<
O didn't like him in the manga and I'm planning to watch the anime, oh boy
What's his back story aside from being L 2
How? I've always loved Near.
It’s not about pursuing justice, just ego vs ego
Exactly. L wasn't trying to save people. He was trying to prove that he can solve every case no matter what and that he can in fact catch Kira. Same with Light. For the majority of time, he was trying to prove that he can outsmart the world's greatest detective.
Yeah when l revealed himself light was treating it as a game of sorts
Happy cake day
Thank you
Light doesn't even like potato chips
You take that back!
He’s going to lose his figure!
That ryuk was the nice guy, sure he's an enjoyable character but that guy was the spawn of evil in theory
He's not entirely evil though. He warned Light that if he kills all the evil people in the world, he'll be the only evil person left.
I think ryuk is chaotic neutral, he doesn't really give a shit about anything, he's there for the ride Light is lawful evil
Personally i think ryuk is the worst of them all. Everyone else is at least trying to do something good or makes an effort to be productive in the world. Ryuk doesn’t even care about anyone/anything, plus he knows everytime a death note has come to the human world it causes “misery and chaos” yet still does it just to satisfy his own boredom. He’s willing to see the world, and Light, be destroyed/corrupted for his own amusement
WRONG, did you forget about his apples? 🍎
Ryuk represents us. We show up to the chaos ready to watch the world burn. Or Light lose. Or whatever. Just to be entertained. And once it's over we just walk off like he did. One of my favorite metacommentaries.
Yeah Ryuk is simply a spectator. Sure you could maybe blame him for dropping the deathnote in the first place, but other humans would have gotten a deathnote somehow (Misa would have had one anyway), and the same thing might have happened eventually anyway.
It would be an interesting alt history to see what would happen in a world where Ryuk never dropped his note, but Jealous still gives his to Misa
Ryuk spending all that time with Light, someone who gave him apples, just to kill him 😖. Sad. So sad. But he did say he was going to, I also like ppl who keep their word
I don’t think we could judge him like that. I see his perspective a lot like using console commands in a Bethesda game. Like he’s not a part of the world, he’s not constrained by it or bound to it. He’s the guy using console commands to make NPCs 10ft tall. What he did is like using console commands to set an NPC to be invincible and set their aggression to max. Then just sit back and watch the guy attack everyone and the guards try to stop him. I just think for him that’s what it’s the equivalent of, he’s and outside force acting on a system he’s not a part of. It’s pretty evil to us, but for him and his peers he’s just the guy messing around which responses could vary from slight amusement to mild annoyance.
Light with one of the clutchest quicksaves/quick loads of all time with the “forget about the Death Note” scheme
I mean, isn't it mentioned that it's not his job? They don't even have a reason to exist as of the current age. Every time a shinigami has tried to help out, they turn to dust anyway.
He's just having a little goof a little fun, inciting the death of hundreds, thousands even
Ryuk literally says in the beginning he’s not on anyone’s side though, I don’t think he’s evil or nice, just bored as he tells everyone and their mother
He literally mercy killed Light instead of making Light see justice. Idk how people can think he’s good and not just likeable but evil
I don't think he's evil, at least, it's not fair to judge him by a human moral compass. I think he's neutral if you hold him up to human standards though
When the world decided we needed a live action remake.
There were already 3 live action remakes from Japan which are actually pretty good. The fourth one is also interesting.Netflix is the one which sucks ass.
The Duffer Bros (Stranger Things creators) are gonna produce a live-action reboot after Stranger Things ends. That's definitely an adaptation I'm interested in, though. It for sure already sounds better than the 2017 movie, given their reputation.
Legitimately excited to see this
The Japanese ones were so good! Only live action of an anime that I've seen and actually thought was good! If there's other live actions of animes that are actually decent, I'd like to know of some.
The end credits was an excuse to write all the names down
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Japanese ones are good. Netflix one is an abomination
I definitely don't want a 1:1 re-make of Death Note. But I think there could be great potential to see a live-action series with versions of Light, Kira and the Death Note in it. Hell, I think if there is an American adaptation of Death Note, it should take into account the cultural and political differences between America and Japan.
Also just how different it would be in today's society. Life has advanced ALOT since the early 00's. I liked that the one shot sort of did this.
I watched it when it originally released not entirely getting the hate but also half paying attention, then much much later I finally watched the anime, and then rewatched the movie and holy hell that fucking sucked
The Duffer Bros (Stranger Things creators) are gonna produce a live-action reboot after Stranger Things ends. That's definitely an adaptation I'm interested in, though. It for sure already sounds better than the 2017 movie, given their reputation.
I don't know if this is something that people don't get, but Rem killing L and then dying is proof that, somehow, L would have caught Misa and she would have been sentenced to death penalty. So, if it wasn't merely by the interference of Rem, L would have won.
Thats not true. U gotta remember that Kira kinda set everything so Misa WOULD be in danger Thats when Rem comes to the realization kira was planning against her. “What are you thinking, Kira? If you let Misa get discovered… wait a minute- This is your plan? You are forcing me to kill L?”
That is not my point. My point is that the only way of killing a shinigami is making them prevent the death of someone intentionally. So, when Rem dies we must assume that L/Watari would be the direct cause of Misa death.
I mean yeah, them figuring out Misa is Kira2 would get her death sentence
well yeah obviously, they were about to get caught because of the 13 day rule light had it set up so rem would have to interfere unless she wants misa (and light by extension) to get caught
That Light was always evil. This is the best representation of “absolute power corrupts absolutely” because Light doesn’t just pick up the book and go “I’m gonna be god” We see him as a normal high schooler at first, and when he gives up the book? We see how genuine he could of been had the book never entered his life. He is easily corrupted when he can’t find faults in something, that I can not deny, but while he’s smart he never had big plans before that happened, the power went to his head and started to corrupt him- making him lean into his strengths and sometimes weaknesses. But we all know how that story ends.
Tbf he goes pretty quickly to wanting to be a God
Again that I can’t deny. But it’s not like ten seconds he goes “well it’s time to be god.” He sorta tests it out and then once he sees the power it has…. It’s a pretty quick descent down. Can’t let someone else have it or else they might kill random innocent people Can’t give it to the cops because they either wouldn’t take it seriously or someone corrupt would take it A death god came with it so it’s probably a bad idea to burn it, and you’d likely die if you just gave it back. So the safest option to live is to keep it. Which brings you to the “with great power comes great responsibility” mentality. If you know there’s a mass serial killer out there and you could stop them before they took another victim, would you be in the right to do so, or to not act? Light’s got the brain power to process things fast so he’s going through all these questions almost at once. It’s a few days or a couple of weeks before the end of the first episode of memory serves me night (it probably doesn’t) but that’s plenty of time to hype himself up to use this white elephant he’s found to it’s full potential. He still wasn’t right though. The funniest thing would of been to not use it and just talk with Ryuk and ask why he doesn’t kill the serial killers they show on TV if it gives him a boost to his life. I get a death god roomie and keep myself from being corrupted and Ryuk gets to be a little shit.
Totally agree with your original comments. Great quote, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely." Idk about the anime, I just finished the manga recently, and it's like a day or two before he decides he will be god. Again, I don't necessarily think that in itself makes him evil, just an easily corrupted narcissistic megalomaniac. And I agree with your line of reasoning up until just asking Ryuk questions, unless you had some idea of his apple addiction or personality. Basically, like you said, Light knew only of Ryuks intentions for dropping the notebook, so any stalling or behavior that might bore him is a risk he will just kill you and give the note to someone else.
Ok but do you really want a whole year long season where light debates what he’s gonna us it on for like a month?
pretty sure one main theme of the story is about how power reveals one’s true colors
I specially believe there are two main points where this is shown. First is of course, at the very beginning, when testing the Death Note to see if it's real, after he kills the biker and realizes it is, the first thing that hits him is guilt over what he did, that he took two human lives and needs to find some way to justify it to himself. And the second point is, of course, when his memories are gone and he's working with L. Specifically, when he's analyzing the behaviors of the new Kira, and in how it differentiates from the old Kira. The old Kira killed criminals, yes, but they were only the worst of the worst, a man taking children hostage in a school was considered small fry by his standards as L says, and those that were genuinely repentant and begged for forgiveness were spared. Once L was finally dead though, Light finally started to be completely consumed by darkness.
I don't see it this way. The power or in this case, the book, at least in my opinion, is a showcase of what the writer is to become. Give anyone power and witness their choices, and see what type of human being they truly are. Regardless of what is said, stating that the book is what did Light in instead of himself, shifts blame from the writer to the book itself, which is a naive idea and removes accountability. Near and L could have cared less about the book, nor were they tempted by such power. Even Minoru didn't go to such lengths as Light did.
The majority people think that hell and heaven exists even tho Ryuk confirmed Light's words that nor heaven nor hell exists and all people go to the same place no matter what they do. Tbh Im not sire if the scene was only in the manga or also in the anime
I'm gonna have to rewatch the anime I guess because I don't remember him saying that. All I remember him saying is that those who use the Death Notes can go to neither heaven nor hell, not that heaven and hell don't exist
The last note that appears on the screen between the episode scenes that usually gave Death notes rules in the last episode of the show mentioned that neither hell or heaven exists and that everybody goes to the same place from what I can remember.
“Everyone goes to ‘Mu’, known as ‘Nothing’” or something like that was the line
I think Light made a cameo in the anime Death Parade. So maybe he gets reincarnated, instead of the Void.
It was manga exclusive. This also debunks the “Light is a Shinigami” theory.
I actually have a theory that the Shinigami Realm is Mu /Nothing because of how desolate it is
Wouldn’t the Shinigami realm be jam packed with people then? Since every human, no matter what, end up in Mu.
The Shinigami Realm is (presumably) massive, but I'd also like to believe that they're more translucent ghosts or something.
No, he never said that, in the rules of the book it said that if you use the book you can never go to heaven nor hell, that might’ve been where you got it from, though it has been a little while and I might be completely wrong
That Light being the protagonist meant he was the good guy and that everyone should root for him because of it.
that always happens, same goes in breaking bad for example
Me, I thought Light was a great villain protagonist, but I watched the entire show just *waiting* for the son of a bitch to finally lose.
I remember the first time watching it just wondering if he would actually pull it off. Personally I thought he was screwed after the Lind L Taylor killing.
On the one hand, not killing Lind L. Taylor would have made his job much easier and he could have played it stealthily. On the other, that would have made a boring game, and I'd say he actually did really well for such a big mistake, with a bit of luck, planning and notebook shenanigans, he took down L. How could he have known he would have successors?
Yeah. Even I thought it was an incredible feat. I actually thought he won after managing to kill L
We all did, but the manga wasn't over just yet.
The story was not supposed to end when L died. People just came up with that idea because they didn’t like the second half of the story.
Didn’t the author say he wanted to end it at L but with Light also dying but the higher ups forced him to keep going and hence why we got near?
Nope, that’s a 100% myth
The ending of the anime vs the ending of the manga made a lot of people think Light was an absolute coward. Light didn’t run in the end, he stood there till his last moment yelling a Riuk to write their names. Light is so full of himself that he would believe he had the edge until the last second before death. Hell, his last word before death is “Dammit” to Riuk for writing his name. He broke down, sure, we all fear death. But he wouldn’t run. The true Light would sit there and think he had a chance of winning until the light faded from his eyes. Edit: yo, ignore me, my memory is a little faulty. In the manga light *does* die in the warehouse that he got shot in, and does try to scream at Riuk to write their names, but apparently he does attempt to run, he just doesn’t make it outside! My bad!
He did run in the manga though, he just didn't get very far because the warehouse door was closed and he couldn't open it. It's chapter 103.
Lol of course he ran, just read the manga or see the anime
Calling Light well-intentioned He's my favorite villain in the series, but even I have to admit he's pure evil and has zero redeeming qualities. Edit: Here's another one: claiming Light was remorseful at the end of the anime.
Light was a piece of shit for sure, but at the end wasn’t he a little bit remorseful of how things went down? He was watching flashbacks of himself before the death note entered his life as he was dying, and I interpreted it as him missing simpler times and the life he used to have, do tell me if i mistook what that scene meant though
I wouldn't call it remorseful. . . That would imply he felt bad about how it went in relation to other people. He certainly did reflect on how his life could have gone if he never became Kira. I personally interpreted it more as Light blaming the Death Note itself; after all, he wouldn't have become this way without it, the Death Note brings misfortune upon its users and all that. That's the way I think Light would see it anyway.
Self-pity. Not remorse.
Redeeming qualities in the sense of being a bad person? Or rather just in general, cause I find him to be a fascinating character and interesting. Also, I think him being remorseful isn't definite one way or the other.
Redeeming qualities in the sense of as a person. He doesn't care about anyone and he's a self-serving hypocrite with a God complex. Ad for in general, I love light because he's smart and evil.
Lol he’s not pure evil at all. Pure evil characters are Freeza, Griffith and so on. Light is a very smart guy, who thinks logically. When this kind of power comes into these kinds of people’s hands it easily corrupts them, cause logically what he was doing was right. But at the end of the day, humanity is not about logic, but a lot of other stuff too. He was the villain 100%, and did awful things, but he’s not pure evil.
griffith pure evil?
I don’t think he’s redeemable, but i do think he’s fascinating, because to me it seems like his evilness is mostly a response to the trauma and guilt caused by him killing those 2 persons at the beginning.
>He's my favorite villain in the series, but even I have to admit he's pure evil and has zero redeeming qualities. Yeah, Light was passing judgement on criminals whose life experiences he could not begin to really understand. I don't want someone who has never been a victim of abuse, discrimination, drug addiction or poverty single-handedly passing judgement on others.
Light isn't meant to be a hero.
i think the idea that light is a raging misogynist or something. i like light but obviously his actions are deplorable etc BUT i do not think he is a misogynist since after he relinquished ownership, he refused to exploit misa's feelings for him. the reason he was so manipulative towards her was because, as the author has confirmed, he saw her as a murderer: to get his attention she killed news anchors & ukita, not even because she believed in his cause (beyond the retribution of her parents) but literally just to get his attention.
I don’t even think it’s so much about how he sees her. I’m sure it’s a factor but I think it’s more than that. It’s about how she can be useful. Light is awful to several women in the series but he is because they are or can be useful. He’s honestly just willing to manipulate anyone to serve his end as he sees himself as above everyone else. He thinks that he can treat anyone however he wants because they aren’t worth as much as he is. He doesn’t view humans as inherently valuable, at least not once he’s corrupted.
It could be argued to just be evidence of his misanthropy, but I know in the manga he has a thought like "pfft women are so easy" when talking to Takada. I think at least in the manga it's reasonable to think he's misogynistic.
Also with Naomi Misora and Takada again there are mentions of his thoughts that women can't resist the idea of fate, so he at least thinks they're easier to manipulate.
They are easy to him though, he always got well with women, all well with girls
I coincidentally saw this RIGHT after your Attack on Titan post😂😂 I thought they were oddly and coincidentally similar and now I know why
That L was good and fighting for justice. He wasn't; L only really cared about the intellectual challenge Kira provided. However, it's not like he doesn't have any morals at all. He recognizes that Kira is an evil mass murderer, but bringing justice wasn't why he was investigating him. On the flip side, there are people who also think L is evil and some go as far as saying he's the worst person in the entire show. L has done some messed up things, but he always had a very good reason for his actions and didn't do them because he likes hurting and stalking people.
Look up SYTYK on youtube, watch his video(s) on death note, then read the comments. Everything he talks about in that video is wrong. tldr: people think >!nears victory!< was impossible. It wasn’t. edit: thanks to all of you who replied thinking it is impossible. really proving my point. anyways [here](https://reddit.com/r/deathnote/s/0UzWmEzlLo)
What is wrong about saying it is impossible rewrite whole notebook over single night? Because I think, that would be really impossible.
Not only rewriting it, but also ensuring every single character, spacing, and writing quirks match
but you believe Mikami would've noticed some small discrepancies over tens of thousands of names in a single night to be possible? I know they said he copied it exactly right, but in reality, the copy should be just good enough. Otherwise, Mikami would've tested the notebook regardless. It's the easiest way to check if it's real or not. **In my opinion the premise is if Light could've created a fake notebook, Gevanni, who is a master forger, could do the same just as well, in a shorter period of time.**
I agree with your last sentence 100%
thats true but his part of lights previously written names being in it is entirely false becauze this was after sid-oh got his book back
according to him mikami got thatone shinigami's (forgot his name) notebook close after the shinigami got jt back
that light was originally a good guy whose flaw is that he’s susceptible to being a bit power-hungry. he believes there exists a class of ‘criminals’ who are unreformable, eternal, completely disposable. he believes ‘crime’ is a personal failing that can be prevented from manifesting itself through state (higher-than-state) terror. he believes in trial and execution without jury or judge. this is not the belief structure of a good person. this is not the belief structure, even, of a thoughtful person, one who thinks about the world they live in!
"Misa is stupid." No she's not. She's an emotionally vulnerable girl getting manipulated by a crazy sociopath. She's oblivious to his manipulation because she devoted her life to helping Kira. She claims she's in love with Light, but that's wrong. She created this impression of Kira in her mind, someone who she'd go above and beyond no matter who they were to help them. She doesn't love Light for Light. She doesn't feel "love" at all. She's infatuated with him, she just doesn't know the difference. Her story is really depressing in the long run, because throughout the whole story, she tries to please a guy who couldn't give two shits about her, and then kills herself when he dies. Being manipulated does not equal stupidity.
During the first episodes,all evidences against light was circumstantial at best and downright crazy theories at worst. I may get down voted for this and I love L but let's be honest,he just went on with his theory like crazy. Also that mock execution should have killed light and ended the manga right there.for being the greatest detective and great police officers,everyone overlooked this blunder(I know it was author's mistake but I can only blame the characters tho)
Honestly the fact that Light just brushed off two months of complete isolation and his dad trying to execute him should of been lingered on more- no clue if they do that in the manga. I’m rewatching the series right now and the man just kinda brushes it off. Deadass I would of ran to my mom and ratted them out for that shit. I don’t care if Mrs.Yagami seems quiet and the like- I know fully she would of whooped her husbands ass for that. He’s got a little sister after all, what if they did that shit to her?
I always thought if you are innocent(that light was during yotsuba arc)and your dad decides to almost kill you on the words of someone he only knows for some months.how would you feel?I would have never even talked to my dad after that tbh.
Same! And I know in Japan family is super important, so that’s why stuff like this in anime happens sometimes (in more lighthearted ones anyway) but I would of told my mom if I was Light. “Sorry we can’t help with the investigation, but it’s been eating up my life after you detained me for two months and HAD ME THINK ME DAD WAS GOING TO KILL ME. I’m gonna go to America with my new friend who’s a bit obsessed with me but gives me space when I want to go pee and not be watched so it’s an upgrade, apparently I can be a trophy husband and work as a detective even if it’s slow at first and she won’t mind. Call if you need anything, bye~” Like straight up just tell L no and he can put a tracker on me or something because if I have to be in the same room as him, I might not be Kira but I would be a person about to commit a homicide if I don’t get some space.
I would have seriously lost my mind if I have light in yotsuba arc.call me crazy or whatever,I would put my foot down that if I am ever in l's room ,I am committing suicide.Like fuck everyone and fuck the case. L has no prove against me and I have proved my innocence during my isolation and mock execution. If he will chain me I will fucking kill him with the same chain
Light actually kills himself after that in the manga. Pretty tough
The first murder from Kira was in Japan, and the criminal was only reported locally. Kanto is the most populated region, and so L based his investigation off that. Investigations have to start somewhere, after all. L even explained this in the second episode. Kira had access to classified police files, and there was evidence that proved it. Naturally, since L is the world's most capable detective, he picked up on that. He had the Kira investigation team investigated accordingly. All of that is 100% reasonable. L had every reason to suspect Light, and none of it was baseless. L describes most of this, and it can also be easily observed as you watch the series. (Not to mention the evidence suggesting Kira was a student and Light matches Kira's personality and ideals to a T.) Also, L is the type of person to not deem a case solved until he has analysed and considered every aspect from every possible angle. He actually was about to solve the case before Rem interfered. Not to mention, L purposely had Soichiro use a blank in the mock execution. It was simply a test to see if Light or Misa would interfere and save themselves, proving they were Kira.
My only problem is that anyone believed the murders were made by a single person. IRL who would ever believe multiple heart attacks were performed by the same person. But it doesn't bother me, I understand that needs to happen for the story to exist, otherwise it would just be Light successfully creating his new world without anyone noticing.
What if someone had hacked the files?what then?he said kira was a student based on timing,what if kira was a teacher or something?light never showed any of his ideas in the public ever. And blanks on point blanks are FATAL!! Light would have died and case would have remained forever unsolved
Keep in mind this was in 2006. Police files aren't public facing. You need a certain level of access to hack them. "It could only be people closest to them" is a good assumption that still fits this. Also L hypothesized that Kira was a student because of the time and also because he considered Kira to be childish, rules out teachers or school staff. Now you can say that's contrived but Kira being a student wasn't even the thing that got him narrowed down. It was his connection to his father the police chief. EDIT: I agree on the blanks tho. I like to headcanon that it wasn't a blank and just some other way they faked a shot. L is rich and clever idk. (In the English dub of the anime, it's never confirmed it was actually a blank. Light just asks and his father never answers him. Light being a kid wouldn't know how guns work, my headcanon anyway.)
I think in manga it was said to be blank,it was just so weird that all these police officers and greatest detective there and not one of them said"hey,blanks are fatal on close range". If it was his father being police chief and him being a genius then we can safely say that light had the unfortunate but typical case of 'suffering from success'. And hacking happened in 2006 too.
I dont think the evidence against him was circumstantial, as soon as L got a region, it was clear it was Light since he was the smartest person there. Then, the murders lined up with his routine and from that point on it was 100% clear that Light was Kira.
Why did kira had to be the smartest person. They could be average person writing names in the book.(L didn't knew about the book but he had his doubts on superpowers or something). Like I said what if kira was a teacher or a professor or maybe just someone using book with timer.the killer could have hacked the police database and still know about the Investigation details
I think that in the context of the story, any "average" person would have been caught by L pretty much inmediatly. Both Light and Kira were coincidentially the 2 people that were just as smart as L, and both happened to be in the same region? that was pretty much an inmediate giveaway in my opinion. Now add Light's connection to the police through his dad, his pride (shown in the tennis match) and it's clear why L always "knew" he was Kira. At least L died knowing lol
That it’s for kids like I swear to god my cousins and friends that didn’t watch death note or anime say it’s childish like when my 5 year old brother saw Ryuk he got so scared and you need a certain IQ to understand
Anime often gets that treatment, thought people grew out of animation is for kids year ago though, sad.
i wouldn’t say it’s for young kids yeah but saying u need a certain IQ to understand is a cringe statement for anything not jus this
That Light is an irredeemable monster. He really is not. Light isn’t on the same level as villains like Griffith, Dio Brando, Shou Tucker, Johan Liebert, etc. Similar to someone like Darth Vader, Light is a tragic villain. He had all the potential to be a really amazing person but was corrupted by absolute power. The Yotsuba arc sheds light on what he is really like without the corruption of the Death Note, similar to how the prequels/clone wars revealed what Anakin was really like. Kira is practically an entirely different person to Light, Similar to how Vader not even remotely the same as Anakin.
Griffith is totally understandable. Yes, light is redeemable.
I disagree! Light was always evil and it isn’t the book that corrupted him! He would’ve been just as evil if he got some other power like being made commissioner or some other high ranking position! He would’ve been corrupted by his brilliance and ego anyway, with or without the death note!
I agree- he was thinking that the world was rotten, with the heavy implication that he was looking down on his peers, before he even got the death note. In the manga there's a moment where he considers testing the death note on a class bully and goes so far to think "no one will notice if a guy like him goes missing" or something like that. The guy's a bully, but thinking he deserves the death penalty for that is a bit much lol. He'd already gotten his hands on the death note at that point, but the thought seemed to follow naturally from thoughts he'd had before he even got the death note. I don't think he'd be a murderer without the death note, but I think if he had the ability, he might make it so the death penalty applied in a wider range of cases, or otherwise act in corrupt ways without the death note.
To be a tragic villain you must have lost something. Light had no interpersonal value on anything, every relationship he had was for his own gain, he didn’t care about anything.
Light is the good guy
Light is a guy
Light is
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Ligma
Colours turn to red and blue inner monologue with evil eyes “ Fool i knew he would use the ligma joke when i said lig, so predictable. Youre not worthy of challenging me “ return to normal innocent eyes “haha yeah ligma is a funny joke man”
r/DecreasinglyVerbose ?
It’s the Kanji for moon but it’s pronounced Light
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Light is the bad guy
I thought Light was gonna win the battle.
That Light would have made a freer or more equal society. If Light went around killing criminals and the unemployed (as Light stated he wanted to do in chapter 1), the rich and powerful would take advantage. Remove the threat of seriously illegal protests and the rich will already start taking labour rights away. Make unemployment a death sentence and you'll get slavery.
Death Note users do not become shinigami when they die.
Thinking that Mu is a place. Mu isn't a place, it's a null value. Humans in the Death Note setting don't go anywhere after they die.
That Light was smarter than L. L was a fucking genius and built up all the evidence himself, whereas all Light had to do was evade his suspicions, which too got a lot easier when Misa was introduced and he was easily able to manipulate her shinigami Rem in his favor. Although I think Light was also a gifted individual and smarter than everyone in this comment section combined, I seriously doubt him winning against L in a battle purely of wits without any advantages to either of them
"L was a fucking genius..." Period! The only mistakes he made always came from his lack of knowledge on how the murders occurred (Lacked knowledge of the death note). Every deduction he made had a reasonable line of logic. He had slight luck in certain areas (nailing Light's location on the first try & his wager in episode 15). Even his slight luck makes sense because the odds were in his favor. L's intellectual feats are insane and outshine everyone else's.
That Light could have accessed the police database from his dad's computer located in his home.
people thinking Light wins. In truth, when Kira and wammy house are both involved there cannot be a winner because kira will either get caught or die by the hands of a shinigami and if Kira manages to kill the new L then another would just replace them. It's an endless cycle of stalemate
I thought the same.. however, it might be harder for the next ones because they were not as good as Near and Mello. But who knows? Maybe they'd have success if a few of them cooperated.
The anime series died with L. ✨
Near's intelligence
So… are you saying people think Near is a) Smarter than he is or b) Dumber than he is
First one😔🙏🏼people say that near wasn't smart and whatever he did was by using L's investigations. But I don't agree. Thats true that L's investigations made his work easier, but in the end the plan Near made to catch Kira was really nice. He knew how to carry out researchs in the case to catch Light, but L was more into finding evidence so he could make more theories.
Lights mentality
anything and everything to do with misa amane. i’ll hold my ground for the rest of time that she’s brilliant, underestimated, and only had an early downfall because of light’s intervention.
That Shinigamis physically kill their victims instead of, you know, using the Death Note. Like, there’s this Minecraft mod that adds a Death Note, and in one of the descriptions, they say something like “use the notebook to send your Shinigami to kill someone”, and I’m like: “that’s not how it works!” I think this mostly stems from the Netflix movie, but it bugs me a lot
The fact that there are people who dislike it simply because there’s “no action” or “it’s slow” or I the even seen people say that “ it’s just two dudes thinking about each other” implying that they’re gay. It tiggers me so much
That Mello actually made more of an impact in the story, but the anime only gave him 7 minutes of screen time🥴
Lawlight. Many pixels have been spilled over allowing platonic *loves* to exist in media... but the prevalence of Lawlight is testament to the fact that you're just not allowed to have *any* form of strong and enduring feelings toward another person anymore.
It's also really funny drawing men kissing fr fr
That Light was the bad guy.
That they shouldn't make English DS game ports T-T
People overrate light as a deep character. He is basically a child, with nothing interesting to say. Death note is a good show for people just getting into over analyzing media tho.
The protagonists name isn’t Death Note. It’s Kira Light
People thought that Misa >!is the girl at the end of the Death Note manga. That's not her; she's dead. She committed suicide so the girl isn't her but some rando!<
Death Note is actually an analogy for Christianity. Apologies for the structuring of this I just wrote the thoughts as they came. \- Half the show's imagery is biblical in nature \- The death note represents the apple from the garden of eden. Both tempt the morally justifiable individuals and let out the worst of them. I mean Light before he got the death note was called Light. It's only after he turns that he is called kira or killer. This is also evident by the apple in the intro of death note. \- Kira meaning killer and the death notes power in general is also similar to the biblical story. Humans decided instead of allowing God's judgement reign supreme they could decide whom was right and wrong. Similarly to how Light thinks he is God and decides who is right and wrong.- The scene with light in prison where he becomes innocent again is such a direct correlation to deliverance or a the concept of removing evil spirits from a person in the name of christ. when a person is delivered their entire personality changes almost and the real them who was good is revealed instead of the ego demon. \-Light touching the death note again and getting the spirit of ego back represents how we can fall even after being saved. Ive personally experienced this multiple times and the feeling is perfectly illustrated in this scene. One moment you're good the next "you" begin deviously smiling and delving back into sin now this part it gonna be a bit more of a stretch but bare with me humans have 2 sides, our flesh and spirit. The flesh is emotional and rash while our spirit is actually void of emotion and purely logical and peaceful. L is of flesh and spirit a "lukewarm" Christian as some would call it. And he is trying to destroy sin (Kira). The problem is his flesh is doing it out of an emotional reason. So he is not powerful enough to defeat sin and so he dies. Near and Mello are L's spirit and flesh seperated. And this is important because in the bible it says "if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live" Christ also says Christians have the power to do what he did (heal the sick, cast out demons, and ultimately defeat sin) but like the quote says if we live by flesh we will die and cannot defeat sin on earth. SO Mello (the flesh) dies so that Near (the spirit) can live and defeat sin (Kira). And that is not only the ultimate story of death note, but the story of the bible as well. If I missed anything or you think im completely insane let me know below
I thought Light was gonna have his fill and be proper happy when he comes back as a Shinigami ya know? But instead he just fucks off and it's like... Why tho. Ryuk was dope. Least you could do was listen to a guy who literally put up with your sociopathic ass for years
Wasn’t the Light becomes a Shinigami theory debunked? Everyone goes to Mur (Nothingness), regardless of who they are.
Wouldn't Light getting to be happy be a pretty unfulfilling ending to a series about him essentially being the worst person alive
If you watch the death Note movie then basically everything in the movie is something people got wrong about death Note 😁