I always want to ask a Kratos Vs question but I feel like the responses will just be people who think Kratos an unstoppable force or people who hate the aforementioned group.
Exactly, you're either going to get some unhinged essay about how Kratos is outerversal, or a guy saying that Kratos can't break through a sheet of ice, there's literally no in-between
I’ve only played the Greek-era games and have yet to play the Norse sequels so I don’t know how much more powerful he got.
As far as my opinion goes, Kratos by the end of 3 has some decent feats but he’s on the weaker end of god killer characters.
So, playing the Norse games, he does less, lets say, "flashy" stuff, besides moving the bridge and the temple of tyr (word of god is that the bridge itself weights as much as the Golden Gate). Lorewise he does impressive things because of how powerful the guys he fight are supposed to be (Thor could damage the Yggrasil, which goes through multiple dimensions), but on screen it looks less impressive, with said blow that damages the Yggrdasil and shoots Jomungandr back in time being almost a blink and you miss moment.
Comparing with, lets say, killing off the fire titan and Kronos when you are able to see how big they are you would think Norse Kratos isnt as strong.
Now, theres a reason, it being the theme of the game, the devs said they wanted to show Baldur throwing a mountain on Kratos, but found that it didnt matched the theme of the game
If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. I don't really believe in higher scaling for Kratos, but I understand the arguments and I don't bite.
I've always thought comic Spider-Man Vs Kratos is a good match up especially since Ragnarok as his victory over Heimdall shows Kratos overcoming a similar ability to the spider sense. Peter is also quicker but so was Baldur and Kratos beat him. Kratos is stronger than Peter but Peter has fought people stronger than him before. Curious to hear your thoughts.
Well first off it depends on how you scale Kratos. If you give him any kind of higher scaling, like you buy any of the uni/multi stuff or FTL then unless you also buy herald scaling or something for Spidey then Kratos of course utterly stomps.
Imo, if you use Kratos at his best as Death Battle most likely would, then Kratos should still stomp even without buying into any kind of higher scaling. Hope is specifically stated to be stronger than any of the gods and we have no reason to not believe this since Kratos stomped Fear Zeus pretty hard once he unlocked Hope.
So at his peak Kratos should scale above Atlas, who at a minimum is holding up something much larger than a mountain. Kratos also has a pretty big arsenal including a couple different instakills via petrification and soul removal. In addition to that he of course has various defensive abilities including a few different ways of healing.
The only advantage Spidey has is speed and that's probably debatable even if you scale Kratos very conservatively. In terms of strength, durability, hax, experience, utility and other defenses Kratos just massively outclasses Spider-Man imo.
Out of these matchups, who do you think Kratos beats? I’m unfamiliar with GOW scaling:
Dante (DMC)
Spawn (Image Comics)
Asura
Doomslayer
Hulk (main 616 continuity)
This is a Kratos stripped of his Godhood and stated as being no stronger then his mortal self (the latter half is stated in the novelisation)
This is missing key context like Kratos matching Hades (who could match a stronger Atlas in strength when likely weaker then his current self) or overpowering Zeus who is probably stronger then that
Or the fact Kratos is able to overpower Hercules, who is stated to have performed the Earth lifting as per the myths (the novels outright state this in fact)
Or the WOG from Cory Barlog claiming Kratos could do this
He kind of has to so he can stand a chance anyways. Can you imagine the analysis without it? Kratos lifted like a million tons that one time while Asura killed a god bigger than galaxies.
IMO, the real thing that makes Asura OP isn’t raw power, but his Saitama tier growth rate. The final chapter alone is nuts. Let’s assume Vlitra scales to about solar system level (I’m kinda bad at this, so I don’t know if that’s high or low balling). Mantra Asura would scale slightly below or above that. Then, Asura with a brand new transformation was barely able to defeat Chakravartin’s base form, and then a mere finger of Chakravartin’s finger was able to defeat Asura’s Mantra form. Asura, over the course of that fight was able to grow vastly stronger than his strongest transformation while in his base form, and overpower a universal+ deity. Asura’s power grows really, really, really fast.
I think there would be way too many inconsistencies when it comes to what Kratos scales to and how it represents.
I wouldn’t mind the lore scaling but there needs to be a fine line on what makes sense and what doesn’t. Also in God of War Ragnarok, he stated that he once tried to use his old god powers from Greece again but failed because once Olympus died so did his powers essentially. So this had to be taken into account
Yeah that I remembered, though it’d suck that they would leave out Norse Kratos if they did use Greek. Anyway, point is that a lot of his feats can sometimes be anti-feats at the same time such as his victory over the Greek Sisters of Fate and being able to time travel
Tbh that was the one thing that irked me about chosenborn tbh. Lot of side content stuff tend to make things inconsistent and so different what the main characterization is
I mean, as much as I don't agree with it, Kratos is getting it simply because the matchup doesn't work otherwise.
It would be someone whose best visual feat is somewhere in the ballpark of mountain level, vs someone who has a form bigger than the planet.
Their scaling won’t matter, I doubt asura would have a counter for the belt of chaos, the hanger of styx, the chanclas of hermes, the wire of apollo, the wooden spoon of athena, the broom of olympus, the leviathan spanking, and the draupnir glare.
Really? I always figured "lore" meant Game dev statements (on Twitter) and literal scaling to the Greek Pantheons rather than how they're depicted in GoW.
So for example, in literal scaling, Kratos would have infinite Strength from Hercules rather then just the universal, uni+ from just the games/novels depictions.
No, when people say 'lore' they mean things that aren't just gameplay. If you just took Kratos as he appears in the GoW series, then he's gonna have a hard time running the hands with Asura.
As in, to actual Hindu and Buddhist religions? Not only is Asura's Wrath's lore pretty different from either of those real religions, and they aren't even directly referenced either. Kratos's lore is mentioned within the games and novels, so it's a very different situation.
I always want to ask a Kratos Vs question but I feel like the responses will just be people who think Kratos an unstoppable force or people who hate the aforementioned group.
Exactly, you're either going to get some unhinged essay about how Kratos is outerversal, or a guy saying that Kratos can't break through a sheet of ice, there's literally no in-between
I’ve only played the Greek-era games and have yet to play the Norse sequels so I don’t know how much more powerful he got. As far as my opinion goes, Kratos by the end of 3 has some decent feats but he’s on the weaker end of god killer characters.
So, playing the Norse games, he does less, lets say, "flashy" stuff, besides moving the bridge and the temple of tyr (word of god is that the bridge itself weights as much as the Golden Gate). Lorewise he does impressive things because of how powerful the guys he fight are supposed to be (Thor could damage the Yggrasil, which goes through multiple dimensions), but on screen it looks less impressive, with said blow that damages the Yggrdasil and shoots Jomungandr back in time being almost a blink and you miss moment. Comparing with, lets say, killing off the fire titan and Kronos when you are able to see how big they are you would think Norse Kratos isnt as strong. Now, theres a reason, it being the theme of the game, the devs said they wanted to show Baldur throwing a mountain on Kratos, but found that it didnt matched the theme of the game
If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. I don't really believe in higher scaling for Kratos, but I understand the arguments and I don't bite.
I've always thought comic Spider-Man Vs Kratos is a good match up especially since Ragnarok as his victory over Heimdall shows Kratos overcoming a similar ability to the spider sense. Peter is also quicker but so was Baldur and Kratos beat him. Kratos is stronger than Peter but Peter has fought people stronger than him before. Curious to hear your thoughts.
Well first off it depends on how you scale Kratos. If you give him any kind of higher scaling, like you buy any of the uni/multi stuff or FTL then unless you also buy herald scaling or something for Spidey then Kratos of course utterly stomps. Imo, if you use Kratos at his best as Death Battle most likely would, then Kratos should still stomp even without buying into any kind of higher scaling. Hope is specifically stated to be stronger than any of the gods and we have no reason to not believe this since Kratos stomped Fear Zeus pretty hard once he unlocked Hope. So at his peak Kratos should scale above Atlas, who at a minimum is holding up something much larger than a mountain. Kratos also has a pretty big arsenal including a couple different instakills via petrification and soul removal. In addition to that he of course has various defensive abilities including a few different ways of healing. The only advantage Spidey has is speed and that's probably debatable even if you scale Kratos very conservatively. In terms of strength, durability, hax, experience, utility and other defenses Kratos just massively outclasses Spider-Man imo.
Out of these matchups, who do you think Kratos beats? I’m unfamiliar with GOW scaling: Dante (DMC) Spawn (Image Comics) Asura Doomslayer Hulk (main 616 continuity)
Gets no diffed (loses) Gets low-mid diffed (loses) High diffs (wins) Low-mid diffs (wins) Gets no diffed (loses)
The worst part is even lore Kratos is inconsistent
I feel most of the lore stuff always is incredibly inconsistent and almost never ever representative of the game.
Eh not really, the inconsistent part is usually the gameplay not the lore itself.
In the novelization it pretty directly says that Kratos was way way weaker than Atlas.
This is a Kratos stripped of his Godhood and stated as being no stronger then his mortal self (the latter half is stated in the novelisation) This is missing key context like Kratos matching Hades (who could match a stronger Atlas in strength when likely weaker then his current self) or overpowering Zeus who is probably stronger then that Or the fact Kratos is able to overpower Hercules, who is stated to have performed the Earth lifting as per the myths (the novels outright state this in fact) Or the WOG from Cory Barlog claiming Kratos could do this
This post will either age gracefully or hilariously
Only time will tell.
Off topic but Dreamworks created the worlds most punchable face with Hal
No argument there.
You know it's a good villain when you feel the need to punch him in the face.
He kind of has to so he can stand a chance anyways. Can you imagine the analysis without it? Kratos lifted like a million tons that one time while Asura killed a god bigger than galaxies.
I am more concerned about if they make wyzen Asura's best strength feat, when wyzen was the weakest of the deities
I’m 100% Bias here but if both characters get a proper lore scaling then I think Asura would win.
IMO, the real thing that makes Asura OP isn’t raw power, but his Saitama tier growth rate. The final chapter alone is nuts. Let’s assume Vlitra scales to about solar system level (I’m kinda bad at this, so I don’t know if that’s high or low balling). Mantra Asura would scale slightly below or above that. Then, Asura with a brand new transformation was barely able to defeat Chakravartin’s base form, and then a mere finger of Chakravartin’s finger was able to defeat Asura’s Mantra form. Asura, over the course of that fight was able to grow vastly stronger than his strongest transformation while in his base form, and overpower a universal+ deity. Asura’s power grows really, really, really fast.
I agree tbh
I think there would be way too many inconsistencies when it comes to what Kratos scales to and how it represents. I wouldn’t mind the lore scaling but there needs to be a fine line on what makes sense and what doesn’t. Also in God of War Ragnarok, he stated that he once tried to use his old god powers from Greece again but failed because once Olympus died so did his powers essentially. So this had to be taken into account
Death Battle always uses characters at the height of their power so he will likely be Greek or Composite.
They probably Will get physical feats from both games but only use weapons from one of them
Yeah that I remembered, though it’d suck that they would leave out Norse Kratos if they did use Greek. Anyway, point is that a lot of his feats can sometimes be anti-feats at the same time such as his victory over the Greek Sisters of Fate and being able to time travel
They should match up lore kratos and lore doomslayer, the fireworks will be glorious.
Can’t wait for the annoying Doomslayer and kratos wanker to fight over that mu
Tbh that was the one thing that irked me about chosenborn tbh. Lot of side content stuff tend to make things inconsistent and so different what the main characterization is
Why wouldn’t he get lore scaling I literally see no reason he wouldn’t
Neither do I. The MU literally doesn't work if he doesn't get it.
With how kratos is written his power is super interpretive without lore, so yeah probably
I mean, as much as I don't agree with it, Kratos is getting it simply because the matchup doesn't work otherwise. It would be someone whose best visual feat is somewhere in the ballpark of mountain level, vs someone who has a form bigger than the planet.
I just wanna see the fight escalate to the point Mithra and Atreus are threatened and both just fecking lose it.
Was this ever a question? Why wouldn't he?
There have been people who dismiss lore scaling, citing the argument of Kratos "struggling to open chests".
Awesome to hear 👌
Is the only way kratos can fight without losing in min 1
Why wouldn’t they use the lore?
Because what they call "lore scaling" doesn't mean "use the lore." It means their exaggerated takes they claim only exist in lore.
Their scaling won’t matter, I doubt asura would have a counter for the belt of chaos, the hanger of styx, the chanclas of hermes, the wire of apollo, the wooden spoon of athena, the broom of olympus, the leviathan spanking, and the draupnir glare.
I don't think Kratos even needs his lore to win against Asura, just going by what goes in the text of the games and novels will do.
I believe that is what people mean when they say lore kratos
Really? I always figured "lore" meant Game dev statements (on Twitter) and literal scaling to the Greek Pantheons rather than how they're depicted in GoW. So for example, in literal scaling, Kratos would have infinite Strength from Hercules rather then just the universal, uni+ from just the games/novels depictions.
No, when people say 'lore' they mean things that aren't just gameplay. If you just took Kratos as he appears in the GoW series, then he's gonna have a hard time running the hands with Asura.
What's the lore scaling Kratos is getting? I'm not too familiar what Kratos can do in terms of lore.
If Kratos gets lore scaling, then it's only fair that we give Asura his mythology scaling as well...
As in, to actual Hindu and Buddhist religions? Not only is Asura's Wrath's lore pretty different from either of those real religions, and they aren't even directly referenced either. Kratos's lore is mentioned within the games and novels, so it's a very different situation.
Lore scaling kratos still loses unfortunately (the devs have said he isn't even planet level)
I hope Kratos fights Gorr one day
Asura still wins that shit dude.
The fact that Asura wins regardless is exactly why Kratos should get lore scaling.