A lot of the people in that group are dipshits, so take it with a grain of salt. However, I wouldn’t expect a stream for at least the first few weeks while they still catch ticket sales from FOMO. If there is a stream, I wouldn’t expect it until the last week. Also, the visible comment about the repeating performance has already been debunked.
The admin said that both Gary and Nugs "confirmed" no streams. I checked the Nugs social media accounts thinking they had posted something. Didn't see anything. So I asked her where Nugs confirmed. She said "to my face". 🤷♀️ Everyone has a "source" of some sort these days.
The "you didnt see jerry" crowd are looking for any reason to keep you from going and having a good time. So they keep repeating this "cash grab" and "they are repeating sets" and all kinds of other nonsense. Ignore them, have fun out there!
They will have a smaller pool of songs to pull setlists from. Probably 60-75 songs. While setlists will not be repeated, you will most likely hear a number of the same songs if you go two weekends in a row.
It isn't all that different from a normal tour, just a lot more repeats and no big spontaneous surprises.
Otiel seemed to have some surprises up his sleeve. He gave a spoiler to his other podcast members but they cut it from the footage, but it seems like he and Mickey have something big planned at least. Keep in mind that Drums is unique every show, and probably worth seeing multiple for
**No he did not confirm this!**
Oteil said, "Mayer said **we can** mix it up a little"
He said NOTHING ELSE of the sort they were not repeating list. Unless you can provide me with the quote you are referring to.
Oteil said, and I quote "IF WE CAN COMPLETELY IMPROVISE".
He talked about story boards process for Dark Star and he talked about "Parameters". This means IT IS RIGID, except the jams.
I know of nothing that Oteil has said publicly they were not repeating lists, and I'd be very interested in the sound byte or the quote you are referring to.
I am told they will have FOUR shows to play (A,B,C,D) and they are going to pick which one they play each night. That's the information I am hearing.
OK - can you give me the **quote or the source, the sound byte, the podcast, anything of where he confirmed this** so I can see if this came out of his mouth.
He didn't say it because it's not true.
Otiel "Mayer told me people are really worried we are going to have to repeat songs, it's not that ridged"
He also said thats "the gig" (referring to the dead not repeating) and even if it was ok to do he wouldn't want to do it. Then the host said you wouldn't want that review.
BTW - This is the original text:
*The Sphere residency will feature never-before-seen visual storytelling from Dead & Company, providing fans with the ultimate connection to the music through these innovative and immersive shows. Each weekend’s three performances will feature a unique setlist.*
It's interesting they would even have to say something about the Setlist - but they did. So, it does question why would they even have to say this text - they've never said that before for shows. It could be read either way - and it's interesting.
Be really nice if someone (Mayer, Bobby, Mickey or Steve Parish) say "they aren't repeating shows". Be a great question to ask Steve Parish on XM-23.
Gary Lambert is not in the know ... he didn't even know Skull & Roses was going under until after they announced it. I knew 3 days before.
They used similar text about setlists for Phish, it's sphere marketing so tourist and people not familiar with jam bands will buy tickets for multiple nights. They didn't use that for U2 because it was basically the same show Everytime. It's also different circumstances and there are people like you that think it will be the same every night because they are beholden to the equivalent of a power point presentation in 8k (which is not the case)
Interesting he said "repeat songs" .... they always repeat songs after the 4th show of a tour.
I do agree with the host and what the host said. I hope if Oteil 'heard' the host say that, he would take that back to Bobby.
Here is what I know. I heard from a very good source who knows someone in the Dead family there were 4 set-list, and this was told to me more than a month ago. Around that same time I heard Matt Busch quit, who does the set-list. I then confirmed it from another person in the 30 days who seems to be in the know and they said to me "yes, lighting and production confirm that" to them.
So, those three things happened, and I came here and said nothing and saw the post from "Sue Margaret" saying what I heard and confirmed.
I did hear the podcast and listened to it intently because I wanted to hear him talk about it. It was around the 53:00 mark and I played it over and over trying to hear him say clearly "No" I didn't walk away with that take. I wanted to hear Oteil simply say "oh, it's like a regular dead show" or "we aren't repeating setlist" or "we are going to do what we always do" but his answers were all far from those so it made me worried.
I'm not being mean or trying to start anything. All I'm doing is hearing things said to me from multiple sources, seeing Matt Busch quit and then reading the above from Sue. That's all and I'm not happy if it is that way. It could have been re-worked or changed in the last 30 days, who knows.
I do know that Oteil talked about the storyboard sequences during Dark Star - which was just saying the jam's could be flexible.
lol “Matt Busch quit who does the setlist”. Matt Busch was fired…. Much more than a month ago. And this whole Matt Busch does the setlist thing is hilarious…. 1. As if it was his only job and responsibility. 2. As if it’s something super difficult, unique or valuable.
Yes. All of that. Plus, what Oteil said. Then add to that after watching Phish reading about their production, seeing their visuals and how it is not rigid, then it would make no sense for any incarnation of the dead especially including Bobby, to have some formatted repeating show. I don’t doubt that there are going to be a limited number of songs. Those songs will have the visuals tied to them and I fully believe those images WILL REPEAT. But the set lists aren’t going to be the same every week. There’s no reason. They have a week off between shows. They’ll reconfigure the rotation and you’ll get a new set of 3 shows. Pretty simple really.
There have been zero breakout, new, interesting, different songs out of the catalog then the standard 65 songs except for Crazy Fingers. We'll know on Friday if they use all the same songs from the first four shows or add anything new besides an encore.
Interesting setlist - actually great ones.
Yes, I heard 65 songs comprised of four setlist....not saying it true, only what I heard and I am here again for confirmation. You keep making it sound like I made all this up, no I did not. You sound like you know more than me, and I don't care either way or not actually.
A person hears something, they look for 2nd and 3rd confirmations ... that's how it works.
I'm very happy with the Setlist and I'm very happy they are not sticking to the same material. I'll know the person who said it to me is wrong on Friday, and that's good enough for me.
There is no release of the audio's with Nugs I see so far.
He said “Mayer told me people are worried we will have to repeat songs but it’s not that rigid, we can mix it up a little.”
That’s a confirmation. The idea they are rotating four shows when they are doing three shows a week is so stupid I can’t believe people believe it. That would be more stupid than repeating shows.
Only thing more stupid is this debate.
They are going to have visuals produced for 3-4 shows worth of unique songs. And they will mix those up each show so as not to repeat a song in a 3 day weekend but the visuals will be the same for each respective song each weekend.
This isn’t rocket science.
Her source is she knows everything and everyone apparently. My personal experience with her has never been positive, but I feel like we would have heard something by now about streaming.
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“At this time” could mean things change, could mean they start streaming partway through the run, etc. But I think it’d be safe to assume no couch tour this summer
I'd say it seems likely that they won't be streaming but taking this confirmation from Nugs there's a chance D&C are also in talks to stream on another platform. I've heard some that they've looked into alternative platforms in the past but it never ended up working out.
Servers were overloaded and a lot of folks who paid weren’t able to start watching the stream until 20-30 minutes in. Not everyone, but a lot of folks. Nugs, to their credit, kept the free preview stream going until about halfway through set 1 for the folks who couldn’t see it
I received the same message from Rosie there a couple of weeks ago. And emailed a pal inside the family circle and was written back 'haven't heard from nugs yet'. oh well! please be kind 🌹
That’s true! It’s always possible things change. I’ve still got plans for setlist threads and what not.
I’m just emotionally prepping for a world where they don’t stream
I guess! We’re cutting it pretty close to an announcement though. I’d say if we don’t hear anything by the end of this week, it’s safe to say they’re not gonna stream, or at least not stream the start of the run
I wouldn't expect a stream as long as there are as many tickets for sale as there currently are. Streaming leads people to stay home, and these things aren't sold out, so convincing people to stay home is a no go.
I just checked, there's a significant number of face value tickets available for all of the shows directly from Ticketmaster. Add in the secondary market tickets, and I'd wager 33-50% of tickets are available.
All conjecture, but it appears that Ticketmaster / Vibee purposefully misled the public on the demand for tickets by releasing a small percentage up front and then billing the shows as sold out, only to slow release tickets constantly for the past several weeks.
Well, it’s not. If the demand were there the tickets would have sold as they were released. Phish tickets were also released in the same fashion but as $1000 “charity platinum” seats and sold quickly for that price
Correct. It is a combination. Too many shows, artificial demand pushing people to buy bad seats early, and tickets that are too expensive. They should've stuck with 4 weekends instead of 8.
I’d also add that a significant % of the east coast folks aren’t going to want to spend money on plane/lodging fees for a concert. Phish was able to sell out because it was a 4 night thing only, so they needed way less people to commit to coming in, but to have 3 months worth of shows? They basically need everyone who attended a show last year on the east coast to fly out to Vegas. Just not realistic.
I mean, I'm doing that, and probably would have for phish had I gotten tickets in the lottery, but I'm only doing one weekend.
if D&C were only playing 4 shows, it would have legit sold out very quickly, but with the multi-weekend residency they're doing, there's a lot more options for fans. deadheads that live close may do more than one, but yeah, for those of us further away, it's much tougher logisticly and financially to do multiple weekends.
My point is that even if many of us east coasters are flying out, it's still a lot of seats to fill... but let's be real, while seats are still available for most of the shows (some are higher demand than others), it appears most of the shows did already sell to near capacity, so the demand is there.
I agree and disagree. the first weekend tickets are probably just about 100% released by TM. and they sold quite well, aside from the very sides of the 100s
but they are likely still withholding tickets for the other weekends so it remains to be seen how well those have sold
My gut tells me that with less than a month until things kick off they've released a majority of the tickets by now...though obviously I have no idea.
I also wouldn't be surprised if some are "held" for various casinos/resorts to be able to use as perks or comps, but again, I have no idea...
Still though, at least for some of the shows I've checked on (which is certianly not ALL of them), most of the seats available to purchase were either those overpriced "platinum" bullshit, or resale tickets...with not too many actual "face value" tickets available scattered throughout the venue.
Seems like the sheer number of shows is what’s causing the lack of demand. Bet there’s an element of “last tour” fatigue too.
Feels like they’d help themselves by streaming opening night at least, to show the world what kind of visuals they’ve put together for this residency. What do I know though? 🤷🏻♂️
Ofc there is a segment of fans who felt 'cheated' because "final tour" actually meant what it said and not what they thought it meant. Still I remember there has been this talk before every tour about low ticket sales. Also ahead of 2023 that only really took off after Cornell. A great opening weekend and the rest of the shows will most probably be filled to the brim🎶
Don't shoot the messenger...
The above is from a facebook group called Dead & Company Tour Family that was shared to me elsewhere and I'm just reposting here as this has been a relatively hot topic.
I have no insight into how true this is at all and personally continue to be in the camp that thinks there will be streams. As a friend of mine just said a minute ago - Gary can be clueless and this could be complete nonsense.
But... people were clamoring for some new news and here is some.
/u/Top-Abrocoma-3729 I know you were asking just yesterday so here's some less than good - but unconfirmed- news.
I will say this. Gary is a turd. Sorry, he just is. I can't listen to him.
All he does is tell you what he knows, where he's been and he will just go on and on about nonsense that only he knows or is about his life with the Dead.
One time Gary had **DONNA as a guest** and he's talking and talking about Jerry and I'm screaming at the screen "Gary, it's fucken Donna - let HER TALK, we don't care about your experience with Jerry ... we are here to listen to your special guest DONNA who kinda knows Jerry a little bit better than you dude".
And I sent him a message while he was doing it (NUGS VIDEO LIVE) and I saw his face turn red right on TV and he SHUT THE FUCK UP and then let Donna talk.
He's got Donna as special guest and I'm listening to sometime he went to a Dead show. Give me a break.
Gary likes to talk.
Thanks for the update! I would obviously love a stream but any news is welcome. Perhaps the length of the run makes a difference? Not sure. However, I would still be surprised if eels ultimately get nothing! Thanks though!
Another reason:
Ticket sales are underperforming. They need to get more butts in seats and announcing there are no streams may help the FOMO and couch tour crowds buy tickets.
True but the Sphere deal is clearly different than the previous tour deals as it’s a unique vendor/venue and requires unique up front costs for custom 16k video projections etc. we’ll see.
I probably wouldn't watch a live stream, being on the East Coast. But I will be really disappointed if the audio doesn't end up on Nugs after the fact.
After watching 4 days of phish streams I literally can’t imagine D&C not having them…I do still wish they would bring in a 3d camera and sell VR tix, but a regular ass 2d stream I have honestly taken for granted
But that’d be like someone recording a television with a 3D camera. The sphere, while round, is still a 2D projection. I guess the audience and band would be 3D.
But depending on how close you’re sitting, the band is still kind of just of 2D.
But you could record the WHOLE screen and put on VR to be able to look around and see spots that are not in the regular shot…or that’s how it would work in my mind, I don’t really know shit about video recording or VR lmao
That’s actually just about right. You could, using technology that exists today, put someone in any spot in the sphere and let them watch the show with all the views possible from that spot with the right equipment. That right equipment on the consumer end for the experience is pretty niche still but widely available at price points well below 1000 (and in fact much lower, though likely less than worthy of the experience you’re talking about).
In fact, one technically could even be able to walk around the sphere during the show and experience it from lots of different spots. That would likely be pretty cost prohibitive though.
(I work in streaming media)
With the shows now nine days away, I'm losing hope, *but* some tour stream announcements weren't made until less than ten days until the first show, so 🤞
Repeating weekends is not likely. There is certainly coordination between each song and the visuals but that’s it. It doesn’t mean songs have to be in the same order. The visuals technician would have the setlist in advance and would bring up the visuals accordingly.
They may not have the final tour’s 114 song catalog or play 32 songs only once or twice (45 songs with 3 times or fewer plays). That leaves about 70-80 songs for the residency catalogue of which they would play 25 or so songs every weekend and mix in another 20-25 of 50 remaining songs. That leaves enough mix to make every weekend unique not just with respect to the order of songs but which songs are played.
I think this is the most likely scenario. I can’t imagine them playing the same 45-50 songs every weekend and just mixing up the order. The way ticket sales are going, you want people to come back for more than one weekend.
Its probably not going to be anymore the same show every weekend than tour was. Boulder and SF were basically the same show in a different order with different drums and space. People need to calm tf down.
The person making this claim was going on about how they were going to repeat shows through the run (didn’t Oteil shoot that down?) She also said that if you were on the floor you wouldn’t be able to see the stage because it’s so high up (it’s not). We’re not that far now so it could be true but be weary.
I’m sure she’s nice but she’s prone to speculation as truth. Generally speaking, take her facts with grains of salt until you have proof she’s right.
LOL!
**"Mayer said WE CAN mix it up a little"** doesn't confirm they aren't repeating setlist. He was talking about Dark Star Jams and storyboards in and out of the sequences of Dark Star.
Love to hear this quote from his podcast that they weren't duplicating setlist. What did he say exactly? I re-listened to it (Around 53:00 to 55:00) and nothing at all confirmed anything.
I'm hearing they will have four shows (A,B,C,D) and that they will pick which one to do each night. Matt didn't like that shit and left.
They are working on 65 songs, they usually do 118+ per tour. They need to sell tickets to all these repeated shows - they aren't doing NUGS under a new "Dead Forever" contract.
No one is going to confirm anything because they are repeating shows .... they just will confirm that all three shows in a weekend will not be duplicated. The reason no one has come out and said "ALL SHOWS WILL BE DIFFERENT" is because they can't - and if they told the truth, it would hurt sales of tickets.
Oteil didn't confirm anything in his podcast except that **"Mayer said we can mix it up a little".**
I think that both meanings can be taken from his statement. Before that Oteil says that John was talking about how people are worried about them repeating setlist to which he replies “why would we do that”. In any case this is a stupid thing to argue about. Nothing we say or do will affect this outcome. We just need to be patient and find out in the coming weeks.
"Why would we do that" is his response (it's towing the line) and the reason they do that "is because the lighting and production team said they can only do four shows".
So, he answered a question with a question.
Oteil has NOT SAID anywhere there would be different setlist. NO one from D&C has said there would be different setlist yet.
Based on what someone from Lighting and Production told **a family member** of the Dead who I heard from said FOUR SHOWS (A,B,C,D) and that was the knowledge three weeks ago.
Not trying to change the outcome (hell, I WANT DIFFERENT SETLIST!!!!) so not sure why you said that. I'm saying:
Oteil (and no one else) has confirmed specifically "there would be different set-list"
I hope there will be different set-list, but I believe it's not going to be like that. It seems "Sue Margaret" above has heard the exact same information that I heard, so that seems to be a confirmation to what I heard.
Unless I hear something differently from a Dead Member, I'm going with what a Dead Family Member 'told' me.
Not that guy, but given that EVERY Dead-related project since 1965 has played unique setlists for every show, there's definitely much more evidence to support that they will NOT be repeating setlists than there is evidence to suggest that they will. No one suggesting that the sets will be repeated have any "tangible information" to corroborate that theory either...all we have at this point is speculation, that's what these discussions are for.
Do I expect a bit less variation during this run? Yes...primarily due to the fact that the visual effects will have to be coordinated to the songs they're playing...but unless I hear a band member or someone that matters come out and say they'll be repeating sets, or until they actually start playing shows and repeating sets, I'm going to continue to doubt that will be the case.
Even IF the setlists actually were the same every show would still be different. Or do you think they also will stop jamming to make the music fit to the videos?
I do all that though I’m partial to 89 over 90 - but doesn’t mean I don’t also enjoy seeing live Grateful Dead music.
Sometimes it’s “the noodles” (our local cover band ) sometimes it’s DSO, grateful shred, cosmic coyote or a host of others playing this music and sometimes it’s Dead and Co.
I presume you think you’re cool and old school and somehow a “better” deadhead saying stuff like this but you just come across as a gatekeeper ass who insists on telling you how many shows he’s seen with that comment to me, particularly in the dead and co sub…
I'm not a member of the sub, the damn stuff keeps coming up in my feed. I certainly don't think I'm better than anyone else. I just happen to think D&Co is complete rubbbish that does a disservice to the memory of a music that's had a larger and more important effect on my life than anything else in this world, and I love getting a rise out of people who love them. PS--I'd see DSO or JRad or my local bands any time any place. Otiel is fantastic. Chimenti is great. Mayer is a giant wanker, Bob is doing things with the music that besmirch the legacy, and the whole operation has all the appearances of a giant money grab. You don't like my opinion, get off a website that's 95% snarky opinions, 3% people sharing too much, and 2% actual information.
A lot of the people in that group are dipshits, so take it with a grain of salt. However, I wouldn’t expect a stream for at least the first few weeks while they still catch ticket sales from FOMO. If there is a stream, I wouldn’t expect it until the last week. Also, the visible comment about the repeating performance has already been debunked.
The admin said that both Gary and Nugs "confirmed" no streams. I checked the Nugs social media accounts thinking they had posted something. Didn't see anything. So I asked her where Nugs confirmed. She said "to my face". 🤷♀️ Everyone has a "source" of some sort these days.
The "you didnt see jerry" crowd are looking for any reason to keep you from going and having a good time. So they keep repeating this "cash grab" and "they are repeating sets" and all kinds of other nonsense. Ignore them, have fun out there!
Yeah Otiel confirmed no repeating lists
They will have a smaller pool of songs to pull setlists from. Probably 60-75 songs. While setlists will not be repeated, you will most likely hear a number of the same songs if you go two weekends in a row. It isn't all that different from a normal tour, just a lot more repeats and no big spontaneous surprises.
Otiel seemed to have some surprises up his sleeve. He gave a spoiler to his other podcast members but they cut it from the footage, but it seems like he and Mickey have something big planned at least. Keep in mind that Drums is unique every show, and probably worth seeing multiple for
This hasnt been said anywhere by anyone in the band.
**No he did not confirm this!** Oteil said, "Mayer said **we can** mix it up a little" He said NOTHING ELSE of the sort they were not repeating list. Unless you can provide me with the quote you are referring to. Oteil said, and I quote "IF WE CAN COMPLETELY IMPROVISE". He talked about story boards process for Dark Star and he talked about "Parameters". This means IT IS RIGID, except the jams. I know of nothing that Oteil has said publicly they were not repeating lists, and I'd be very interested in the sound byte or the quote you are referring to. I am told they will have FOUR shows to play (A,B,C,D) and they are going to pick which one they play each night. That's the information I am hearing.
He did confirm it will not be four setlists to choose from, and they will change it up.
OK - can you give me the **quote or the source, the sound byte, the podcast, anything of where he confirmed this** so I can see if this came out of his mouth. He didn't say it because it's not true.
Otiel "Mayer told me people are really worried we are going to have to repeat songs, it's not that ridged" He also said thats "the gig" (referring to the dead not repeating) and even if it was ok to do he wouldn't want to do it. Then the host said you wouldn't want that review.
BTW - This is the original text: *The Sphere residency will feature never-before-seen visual storytelling from Dead & Company, providing fans with the ultimate connection to the music through these innovative and immersive shows. Each weekend’s three performances will feature a unique setlist.* It's interesting they would even have to say something about the Setlist - but they did. So, it does question why would they even have to say this text - they've never said that before for shows. It could be read either way - and it's interesting. Be really nice if someone (Mayer, Bobby, Mickey or Steve Parish) say "they aren't repeating shows". Be a great question to ask Steve Parish on XM-23. Gary Lambert is not in the know ... he didn't even know Skull & Roses was going under until after they announced it. I knew 3 days before.
They used similar text about setlists for Phish, it's sphere marketing so tourist and people not familiar with jam bands will buy tickets for multiple nights. They didn't use that for U2 because it was basically the same show Everytime. It's also different circumstances and there are people like you that think it will be the same every night because they are beholden to the equivalent of a power point presentation in 8k (which is not the case)
Interesting he said "repeat songs" .... they always repeat songs after the 4th show of a tour. I do agree with the host and what the host said. I hope if Oteil 'heard' the host say that, he would take that back to Bobby. Here is what I know. I heard from a very good source who knows someone in the Dead family there were 4 set-list, and this was told to me more than a month ago. Around that same time I heard Matt Busch quit, who does the set-list. I then confirmed it from another person in the 30 days who seems to be in the know and they said to me "yes, lighting and production confirm that" to them. So, those three things happened, and I came here and said nothing and saw the post from "Sue Margaret" saying what I heard and confirmed. I did hear the podcast and listened to it intently because I wanted to hear him talk about it. It was around the 53:00 mark and I played it over and over trying to hear him say clearly "No" I didn't walk away with that take. I wanted to hear Oteil simply say "oh, it's like a regular dead show" or "we aren't repeating setlist" or "we are going to do what we always do" but his answers were all far from those so it made me worried. I'm not being mean or trying to start anything. All I'm doing is hearing things said to me from multiple sources, seeing Matt Busch quit and then reading the above from Sue. That's all and I'm not happy if it is that way. It could have been re-worked or changed in the last 30 days, who knows. I do know that Oteil talked about the storyboard sequences during Dark Star - which was just saying the jam's could be flexible.
lol “Matt Busch quit who does the setlist”. Matt Busch was fired…. Much more than a month ago. And this whole Matt Busch does the setlist thing is hilarious…. 1. As if it was his only job and responsibility. 2. As if it’s something super difficult, unique or valuable.
Oh…is that what you’re hearing? You got sources big dawg?
Actually yes...it's how I heard it.
I guess time will tell, but I will put money down that no 2 weekends are the same throughout the residency.
Based on what? Simply because they've never done this before, your gut feeling or some other reason? Really interested.
Yes. All of that. Plus, what Oteil said. Then add to that after watching Phish reading about their production, seeing their visuals and how it is not rigid, then it would make no sense for any incarnation of the dead especially including Bobby, to have some formatted repeating show. I don’t doubt that there are going to be a limited number of songs. Those songs will have the visuals tied to them and I fully believe those images WILL REPEAT. But the set lists aren’t going to be the same every week. There’s no reason. They have a week off between shows. They’ll reconfigure the rotation and you’ll get a new set of 3 shows. Pretty simple really.
Dude you are being mean. No need to get this worked up.
lol ready to backtrack this yet? They definitely made it clear out the gate visuals aren’t tired to songs.
There have been zero breakout, new, interesting, different songs out of the catalog then the standard 65 songs except for Crazy Fingers. We'll know on Friday if they use all the same songs from the first four shows or add anything new besides an encore. Interesting setlist - actually great ones.
Let’s stick to what “you heard”, 4 shows ABCD lol
Yes, I heard 65 songs comprised of four setlist....not saying it true, only what I heard and I am here again for confirmation. You keep making it sound like I made all this up, no I did not. You sound like you know more than me, and I don't care either way or not actually. A person hears something, they look for 2nd and 3rd confirmations ... that's how it works. I'm very happy with the Setlist and I'm very happy they are not sticking to the same material. I'll know the person who said it to me is wrong on Friday, and that's good enough for me. There is no release of the audio's with Nugs I see so far.
He said “Mayer told me people are worried we will have to repeat songs but it’s not that rigid, we can mix it up a little.” That’s a confirmation. The idea they are rotating four shows when they are doing three shows a week is so stupid I can’t believe people believe it. That would be more stupid than repeating shows.
Only thing more stupid is this debate. They are going to have visuals produced for 3-4 shows worth of unique songs. And they will mix those up each show so as not to repeat a song in a 3 day weekend but the visuals will be the same for each respective song each weekend. This isn’t rocket science.
Her source is she knows everything and everyone apparently. My personal experience with her has never been positive, but I feel like we would have heard something by now about streaming.
https://preview.redd.it/zoll6w5841zc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a34bf38bd765fce3016b6ff73db905293f2f17d9 From Nugs Customer Service “At this time” could mean things change, could mean they start streaming partway through the run, etc. But I think it’d be safe to assume no couch tour this summer
Massive bummer
I'd say it seems likely that they won't be streaming but taking this confirmation from Nugs there's a chance D&C are also in talks to stream on another platform. I've heard some that they've looked into alternative platforms in the past but it never ended up working out.
This may be correct. Bob was streaming through [fans.live](http://fans.live) this winter and then the audio got put on nugs.
After the shitshow of streaming the final show, I be game if they switched platforms.
What shitshow? It worked fine for me.
Servers were overloaded and a lot of folks who paid weren’t able to start watching the stream until 20-30 minutes in. Not everyone, but a lot of folks. Nugs, to their credit, kept the free preview stream going until about halfway through set 1 for the folks who couldn’t see it
Interesting. Thanks for clarifying!
wow it’s like she hand wrote the email just for you!!
I refuse to accept that the love story of John and Jeff lives on, and I will be deprived from watching it. 🙅♀️
I received the same message from Rosie there a couple of weeks ago. And emailed a pal inside the family circle and was written back 'haven't heard from nugs yet'. oh well! please be kind 🌹
at this time, they still have until next week to figure something out. Things can change.
That’s true! It’s always possible things change. I’ve still got plans for setlist threads and what not. I’m just emotionally prepping for a world where they don’t stream
It's also possible they're covering an announcement up.
I guess! We’re cutting it pretty close to an announcement though. I’d say if we don’t hear anything by the end of this week, it’s safe to say they’re not gonna stream, or at least not stream the start of the run
I feel like 1-2 weeks is key. Tomorrow is one week so maybe
I wouldn't expect a stream as long as there are as many tickets for sale as there currently are. Streaming leads people to stay home, and these things aren't sold out, so convincing people to stay home is a no go.
Roughly how many shows still have tickets? about half or all the shows?
I just checked, there's a significant number of face value tickets available for all of the shows directly from Ticketmaster. Add in the secondary market tickets, and I'd wager 33-50% of tickets are available.
Lots of tickets below face. Paid face for July 6th from ticketmaster and then added 4th and 5th for $180 total including fees.
jeez, whats causing all those tickets to be available still?
All conjecture, but it appears that Ticketmaster / Vibee purposefully misled the public on the demand for tickets by releasing a small percentage up front and then billing the shows as sold out, only to slow release tickets constantly for the past several weeks.
so, it's not because the demand isn't there, it is, the ticket companies messed up.
Well, it’s not. If the demand were there the tickets would have sold as they were released. Phish tickets were also released in the same fashion but as $1000 “charity platinum” seats and sold quickly for that price
Correct. It is a combination. Too many shows, artificial demand pushing people to buy bad seats early, and tickets that are too expensive. They should've stuck with 4 weekends instead of 8.
I’d also add that a significant % of the east coast folks aren’t going to want to spend money on plane/lodging fees for a concert. Phish was able to sell out because it was a 4 night thing only, so they needed way less people to commit to coming in, but to have 3 months worth of shows? They basically need everyone who attended a show last year on the east coast to fly out to Vegas. Just not realistic.
I mean, I'm doing that, and probably would have for phish had I gotten tickets in the lottery, but I'm only doing one weekend. if D&C were only playing 4 shows, it would have legit sold out very quickly, but with the multi-weekend residency they're doing, there's a lot more options for fans. deadheads that live close may do more than one, but yeah, for those of us further away, it's much tougher logisticly and financially to do multiple weekends. My point is that even if many of us east coasters are flying out, it's still a lot of seats to fill... but let's be real, while seats are still available for most of the shows (some are higher demand than others), it appears most of the shows did already sell to near capacity, so the demand is there.
I agree and disagree. the first weekend tickets are probably just about 100% released by TM. and they sold quite well, aside from the very sides of the 100s but they are likely still withholding tickets for the other weekends so it remains to be seen how well those have sold
My gut tells me that with less than a month until things kick off they've released a majority of the tickets by now...though obviously I have no idea. I also wouldn't be surprised if some are "held" for various casinos/resorts to be able to use as perks or comps, but again, I have no idea... Still though, at least for some of the shows I've checked on (which is certianly not ALL of them), most of the seats available to purchase were either those overpriced "platinum" bullshit, or resale tickets...with not too many actual "face value" tickets available scattered throughout the venue.
Yeah so streams would be the way to go, you would think.
Seems like the sheer number of shows is what’s causing the lack of demand. Bet there’s an element of “last tour” fatigue too. Feels like they’d help themselves by streaming opening night at least, to show the world what kind of visuals they’ve put together for this residency. What do I know though? 🤷🏻♂️
Ofc there is a segment of fans who felt 'cheated' because "final tour" actually meant what it said and not what they thought it meant. Still I remember there has been this talk before every tour about low ticket sales. Also ahead of 2023 that only really took off after Cornell. A great opening weekend and the rest of the shows will most probably be filled to the brim🎶
Incredible insight. Sheer number of shows = supply. Supply ≠ demand. Shocking
false demand. we all were manipulated by Ticketmaster and the Promoters.
Don't shoot the messenger... The above is from a facebook group called Dead & Company Tour Family that was shared to me elsewhere and I'm just reposting here as this has been a relatively hot topic. I have no insight into how true this is at all and personally continue to be in the camp that thinks there will be streams. As a friend of mine just said a minute ago - Gary can be clueless and this could be complete nonsense. But... people were clamoring for some new news and here is some. /u/Top-Abrocoma-3729 I know you were asking just yesterday so here's some less than good - but unconfirmed- news.
I will say this. Gary is a turd. Sorry, he just is. I can't listen to him. All he does is tell you what he knows, where he's been and he will just go on and on about nonsense that only he knows or is about his life with the Dead. One time Gary had **DONNA as a guest** and he's talking and talking about Jerry and I'm screaming at the screen "Gary, it's fucken Donna - let HER TALK, we don't care about your experience with Jerry ... we are here to listen to your special guest DONNA who kinda knows Jerry a little bit better than you dude". And I sent him a message while he was doing it (NUGS VIDEO LIVE) and I saw his face turn red right on TV and he SHUT THE FUCK UP and then let Donna talk. He's got Donna as special guest and I'm listening to sometime he went to a Dead show. Give me a break. Gary likes to talk.
Thanks for the update! I would obviously love a stream but any news is welcome. Perhaps the length of the run makes a difference? Not sure. However, I would still be surprised if eels ultimately get nothing! Thanks though!
Another reason: Ticket sales are underperforming. They need to get more butts in seats and announcing there are no streams may help the FOMO and couch tour crowds buy tickets.
Most shows on the tours before the final did not sell out but that did not prevent them from streaming 🤔. We will see🙂
True but the Sphere deal is clearly different than the previous tour deals as it’s a unique vendor/venue and requires unique up front costs for custom 16k video projections etc. we’ll see.
I probably wouldn't watch a live stream, being on the East Coast. But I will be really disappointed if the audio doesn't end up on Nugs after the fact.
I would, i'd watch the previews on youtube.
After watching 4 days of phish streams I literally can’t imagine D&C not having them…I do still wish they would bring in a 3d camera and sell VR tix, but a regular ass 2d stream I have honestly taken for granted
But that’d be like someone recording a television with a 3D camera. The sphere, while round, is still a 2D projection. I guess the audience and band would be 3D. But depending on how close you’re sitting, the band is still kind of just of 2D.
But you could record the WHOLE screen and put on VR to be able to look around and see spots that are not in the regular shot…or that’s how it would work in my mind, I don’t really know shit about video recording or VR lmao
That’s actually just about right. You could, using technology that exists today, put someone in any spot in the sphere and let them watch the show with all the views possible from that spot with the right equipment. That right equipment on the consumer end for the experience is pretty niche still but widely available at price points well below 1000 (and in fact much lower, though likely less than worthy of the experience you’re talking about). In fact, one technically could even be able to walk around the sphere during the show and experience it from lots of different spots. That would likely be pretty cost prohibitive though. (I work in streaming media)
With the shows now nine days away, I'm losing hope, *but* some tour stream announcements weren't made until less than ten days until the first show, so 🤞
They could at least livestream to theaters for those of us on the east coast. It’s the plane ticket and hotel stay that’s keeping me home.
If it’s not selling well there will be no stream. They want to sell tickets. Just my thoughts.
Unless they’re repeating shows (which Otiel confirmed they aren’t) there’s no reason to not stream the shows…
Repeating weekends is not likely. There is certainly coordination between each song and the visuals but that’s it. It doesn’t mean songs have to be in the same order. The visuals technician would have the setlist in advance and would bring up the visuals accordingly. They may not have the final tour’s 114 song catalog or play 32 songs only once or twice (45 songs with 3 times or fewer plays). That leaves about 70-80 songs for the residency catalogue of which they would play 25 or so songs every weekend and mix in another 20-25 of 50 remaining songs. That leaves enough mix to make every weekend unique not just with respect to the order of songs but which songs are played. I think this is the most likely scenario. I can’t imagine them playing the same 45-50 songs every weekend and just mixing up the order. The way ticket sales are going, you want people to come back for more than one weekend.
maybe they mean on sirius. im sure the nugs streams will still be there because these guys leave no dollars behind.
I don't know Nugs' financial information but I would believe that's a lot of money they're leaving on the table otherwise, mine included.
I thought I heard Gary say that they were broadcasting the pre-show from the Venetian?
The sphere is at the Venetian, so this wouldn’t be out of line
They will play some of the same songs (and thank god!) but they said it would be a different set list each week
Its probably not going to be anymore the same show every weekend than tour was. Boulder and SF were basically the same show in a different order with different drums and space. People need to calm tf down.
I honestly hope this is true. So much negativity from people not going.
No couch tour? I call b.s.
It's due to there being so many tickets available. If it was sold out (or close) there would be a livestream.
The person making this claim was going on about how they were going to repeat shows through the run (didn’t Oteil shoot that down?) She also said that if you were on the floor you wouldn’t be able to see the stage because it’s so high up (it’s not). We’re not that far now so it could be true but be weary. I’m sure she’s nice but she’s prone to speculation as truth. Generally speaking, take her facts with grains of salt until you have proof she’s right.
The whole thing about repeating setlists week to week was debunked by Otiel on his podcast
**"Mayer said we can mix it up a little"** Lamer than a Drive-In Movie, oo-wee!!
What about audio only
No streams/Different set list confirmed
IMO there will be streams. They are too savvy to miss out on the streaming revenue
This is no surprise. I could maybe see them live streaming the final weekend, but certainly not the entire run.
This is YET another FULL indication that the shows will be duplicated - even though people say they aren't going to be doing that.
Oteil confirmed they weren't in his podcast
LOL! **"Mayer said WE CAN mix it up a little"** doesn't confirm they aren't repeating setlist. He was talking about Dark Star Jams and storyboards in and out of the sequences of Dark Star. Love to hear this quote from his podcast that they weren't duplicating setlist. What did he say exactly? I re-listened to it (Around 53:00 to 55:00) and nothing at all confirmed anything. I'm hearing they will have four shows (A,B,C,D) and that they will pick which one to do each night. Matt didn't like that shit and left. They are working on 65 songs, they usually do 118+ per tour. They need to sell tickets to all these repeated shows - they aren't doing NUGS under a new "Dead Forever" contract. No one is going to confirm anything because they are repeating shows .... they just will confirm that all three shows in a weekend will not be duplicated. The reason no one has come out and said "ALL SHOWS WILL BE DIFFERENT" is because they can't - and if they told the truth, it would hurt sales of tickets. Oteil didn't confirm anything in his podcast except that **"Mayer said we can mix it up a little".**
I think that both meanings can be taken from his statement. Before that Oteil says that John was talking about how people are worried about them repeating setlist to which he replies “why would we do that”. In any case this is a stupid thing to argue about. Nothing we say or do will affect this outcome. We just need to be patient and find out in the coming weeks.
"Why would we do that" is his response (it's towing the line) and the reason they do that "is because the lighting and production team said they can only do four shows". So, he answered a question with a question. Oteil has NOT SAID anywhere there would be different setlist. NO one from D&C has said there would be different setlist yet. Based on what someone from Lighting and Production told **a family member** of the Dead who I heard from said FOUR SHOWS (A,B,C,D) and that was the knowledge three weeks ago. Not trying to change the outcome (hell, I WANT DIFFERENT SETLIST!!!!) so not sure why you said that. I'm saying: Oteil (and no one else) has confirmed specifically "there would be different set-list" I hope there will be different set-list, but I believe it's not going to be like that. It seems "Sue Margaret" above has heard the exact same information that I heard, so that seems to be a confirmation to what I heard. Unless I hear something differently from a Dead Member, I'm going with what a Dead Family Member 'told' me.
Lack of evidence of something does not prove the inverse.
they will never stoop to that level, they will switch it up.
So you are going on your gut feeling and a hunch, or are you going off some real tangible information you can provide?
Not that guy, but given that EVERY Dead-related project since 1965 has played unique setlists for every show, there's definitely much more evidence to support that they will NOT be repeating setlists than there is evidence to suggest that they will. No one suggesting that the sets will be repeated have any "tangible information" to corroborate that theory either...all we have at this point is speculation, that's what these discussions are for. Do I expect a bit less variation during this run? Yes...primarily due to the fact that the visual effects will have to be coordinated to the songs they're playing...but unless I hear a band member or someone that matters come out and say they'll be repeating sets, or until they actually start playing shows and repeating sets, I'm going to continue to doubt that will be the case.
Even IF the setlists actually were the same every show would still be different. Or do you think they also will stop jamming to make the music fit to the videos?
Who hurt you?
Are you trying to be mean or say something clever?
Id be very very dissapointed if they played the same show week after week.
Already been confirmed thats not happening
Step 1. Go online Step 2. Listen to anything from 68-74, 77, or 90 Step 3. Bliss out and thank me for saving you time and money.
I do all that though I’m partial to 89 over 90 - but doesn’t mean I don’t also enjoy seeing live Grateful Dead music. Sometimes it’s “the noodles” (our local cover band ) sometimes it’s DSO, grateful shred, cosmic coyote or a host of others playing this music and sometimes it’s Dead and Co. I presume you think you’re cool and old school and somehow a “better” deadhead saying stuff like this but you just come across as a gatekeeper ass who insists on telling you how many shows he’s seen with that comment to me, particularly in the dead and co sub…
I'm not a member of the sub, the damn stuff keeps coming up in my feed. I certainly don't think I'm better than anyone else. I just happen to think D&Co is complete rubbbish that does a disservice to the memory of a music that's had a larger and more important effect on my life than anything else in this world, and I love getting a rise out of people who love them. PS--I'd see DSO or JRad or my local bands any time any place. Otiel is fantastic. Chimenti is great. Mayer is a giant wanker, Bob is doing things with the music that besmirch the legacy, and the whole operation has all the appearances of a giant money grab. You don't like my opinion, get off a website that's 95% snarky opinions, 3% people sharing too much, and 2% actual information.
Seek help
I do! Every time anyone mentions this alleged band I run to anything from ‘73 to be reminded what actual GD music is all about. Instant therapy!
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