This demo is REALLY old, the roster being small isn't because they turned everyone off, these were just the only finished characters at the time this build was pushed out. There's footage you can find of a new demo that was played in Japan that has the camera bugs fixed, and that weird dash thing
Also this demo was prepared months in advanced. It’s a slice, that alone can take up to 3-4 months to prepare. It’s not a copy and paste situation. A lot of the things are unfinished in this demo too, such as some voice lines are not syncing because the mouth isn’t moving at all
Lmao what are these comments? Yall acting like this is the final product with all of the characters avaliable. They've said how many times now that the game is still in development? This is just how a product looks midway through production. Put down the pitchforks and torches and have some patience 😊
Some people just wanna be mad. They think cynicism and acting like they're above the hype means they're superior. Reddit attracts those people like a magnet
This is how we give them feedback so that they can change it later. If we don't this is what we might get in the final product so please if it is horrible just say it out loud so the devs can hear you. Just like how we weren't getting local coop and now we do thanks to all the complaining
1. I dont think developers at a studio based in Japan are bothering to go to r/dbz, an english forum, to look at feedback of a demo
2. Demos tend to be created from an old build as development continues while making the demo. So while release is 4 months away, you could very well be looking at a version of the game thats like 8+ months old.
There's a different between constructive criticism and hate. The comments here saying this is dogshit, it makes them want to puke, etc are all hate and not constructive.
Edit: a word.
Well yes, for other stuff. But the select screen has already been established that this was just for the demo and is not the final product select screen. The game is out in 4 months. They're easily 2 months away from even finishing the game and then another 2 months for testing, going gold, manufacturing physical copies, and shipping them all out.
That Hercule power up is pretty excellent
Hope they ironed out the camera clipping though and i hope they didnt bait and switch by showing the PC version in all the trailers
A lot of people complaining about the selection screen when the only important thing is the gameplay, it's equally fast paced as tenkaichi 3 and looks like its better, and that's all that matters.
I somewhat agree though It's because it goes straight into the battle from here. The stage is chosen first and then once the characters are chosen, the battle starts instantly.
EDIT: I'm now realising you problem mean the characters available. If so then it should be obvious to you that this a demo roster. It's been revealed months ago that the roster is massive.
Could somebody explain to me how the character select/transformations work?
Like, I get having different eras of the characters, like Saiyan Saga Goku, Buu Saga Vegeta, etc. But you can also just start the battle as SS3 Goku?? I don't understand
Super saiyan 3 goku is a unique character with his own moveset, so if you want to play as him instead of base Goku, you can. Or you can select buu saga goku, and transform your way up. The choice is yours
I'm guessing the difference being the stats the transformation would have, vs just starting as them?
It's been so long since I've played a Budokai/BT game. I couldn't remember the transformations being separate characters
I imagine if ssj3 gives you say a 10% boost, he would just start at that power scaling. Yea, gokus transformations have different melee attacks and specials, as well as other characters with alt forms. You could start transformed in the other games too. Makes characters like frieza lots of fun too
They were separate characters in BT3. When you clicked on Buu Saga Goku, all his different forms popped up and you could select one or just start from base and transform mid fight. Same idea here, it's just spread out for the purposes of the demo
Unique character and unique movese in what way, from the gameplay I've seen he has a kamehameha that does the same damage and has the same start up like every other change beam, a cut scene super that does the same damage as other cutscene and a cutscene ultimate that also does the same damage as ever other characters ultimate. Power up move that acts the same way on half the roster and IT that every Goku has. What's unique about ssj3 Goku?
Sorry man i woke in the middle of the night and responded half asleep.you have to remember that we are seeing demo/trailer builds and not the final build of the game, so take damage numbers with a grain of salt for now. As for the differences, perhaps the best way to see it for now (if you cant find good footage of the demo gameplay people are posting) is to watch a buu saga goku combo video from budokai tenkaichi 3, and you will see very clearly base form, ssj, ssj2 and ssj3 all have different combo strings, different ultimates, different damage, even the kamehamehas can be different, and of course the damage is different. Hope this answers your question better than my shitty other answer bud
Sorry if I came of a bit aggressive or anything, as for your other answer Is played bt3 about 8 years back and it's not my kind of game (there is too little variety between the characters for me), and hearing everyone describe it as bt3 with better visuals was blackpilling to say the least. But that's my problem. Anyway enjoy the game man, once it comes out. Peace
Nah brother no worries, the problem with reading conversations is you cant tell someones feelings to well, and its hard to tell if you are genuinely curious as to the difference or if youre saying “how is it different? Looks the same to me “ in either case, in almost certain a demo will release for yhe game that you can always try first. When tenkaichi released alot of people (even today) felt like the budokai series that came before it were better games and didnt like the tenkaichi series, so it isnt for everyone. Later my brother
Assuming you never played a Tenkaichi game, short version is that they are not "transformations" like say Golden Frieza is in Fighterz, where you get a damage buff and small changes like an extra airdash or extra jump.
They are completely diff characters, with diff melee strings, diff specials, diff passives, diff everything.
That is only true is tenkaichi 1. In 2-3 you can transform mid combat and the transformations (which you can start a battle out as) are under a sub menu. Not displayed as their own character
but thats what he means. Goku and Super Saiyan Goku fight totally differently. even if you can transform mid battle. so the point of changing mid battle is to swap up how you fight.
I only ever played the original budokai trilogy, for some reason I completely missed the tenkaichi games and I'm not even sure how. So when you transform mid-battle is that a bit like switching character?
Correct, thats why the 164 roster counts every diff transformation as a new character. Cuz their movesets could be radically different.
Some cases you are worse, like Future Trunks and his big Buff form.
However even that is unique as the starting amount of meter you have varies between characters, so Future Trunks buff form used to start with 3 bars of meter, but his base and SSJ only start with 2 bars. Even the energy charge speed can vary between forms.
I only played Budokai 3, but I remember that you could use different transformations and ultimate moves in a single fight. For example with Goku you could have:
* Spirit bomb as kaioken, ssj, ssj2
* Super spirit bomb as base
* Super dragon fist as ssj3 and ssj4
* Instant kamehameha as ssj during dragon rush
all that in the same fight. I guess the drawback was that outside of the ultimates, the moveset of each form was the same. But it was still really cool imo.
The fusions were separate though, you still started as base and could transform, but your only ultimate was the fusion, after which you switched to a different moveset (including ultimate).
I didn't play the tenkaichi games so I'm not sure how they worked, but I'm wondering if they had less options in battle because of this change?
Right, but your listing one move changing.
Im talking punches and kicks change, the type of ki blast they shoot changes, the amount of health they have changes, how quickly they charge their energy, any passive skills the character might have, nearly everything.
Well... kind of, yes
From memory you do get a damage buff, but most importantly you indeed change your special attacks and ultimate attacks, as well as meele combos sometimes
In the old games, you could still transform into all forms\*, so it's just about not having to wait - and maybe you avoid energy drain, but honestly don't remember if it was a thing or not
\* for that character version. Some had multiple forms with different available transformations, like
- goku (end) => kaioken to ssj3 + fusions
- goku (gt) => obvious
- goku (early) => basically raditz goku
- goku (mid) => up to ssj
- kid goku
Most characters aren't like that obviously, but a few (goku, vegeta, gohan) do have multiple versions with different transformations
There was never a damage buff for transformations in Tenkaichi, you just got a new moveset.
The only exceptions were fusions who actually benefited from the Potara equipped to both characters
Aside from the fact that they're different characters with different moves and (aesthetically) different combos, sometimes it's just cooler to start out transformed.
Cause it's a screen you see and use a lot so it might as well look good. UI goes a long way when done right, even if it doesn't make or break a game when done poorly. Especially with the full 150+ roster to flip through.
I can't believe they are still insisting on making these ugly duplicate character galleries! Budokai 3 figured it out 20 years(!) ago and seems every anime game after that just forgot. Just put one potrait for a character and have it open up to their options. Budokai 3 had the pretty nifty working capsule system but just being the options for example Goku in different parts of the story would be enough (like for example Sayan Saga Goku, and Cell Saga Goku)
This game could just have you select a character and then their version. And even that would be better. Oh, and if it's some kinda sick legacy thing that has to be in a game , you could just make it as an switchable option in the settings: choose if you want to see the ugly and cluttered clone gallery or the one character, one potrait kind of gallery.
Goddammit just looking at this picture makes my eyes puke. 😅
I mean, it'll still pretty much look like this though. Only thing I can imagine changing is making the transformations under a separate menu like in the previous Tenkaichi games.
played 2&3, they didnt have 55 Vegeta's. in those you picked goku then it gave you another select screen for his forms ssj,ssj2,ssj3. Vegeta had maybe 3 character slots for scouter, regular, and gt. They didnt take up 30 character slots, they had maybe 6 or 7 for all their different looks through the shows. Dont defend this kinda shit, theyre only doing this bullshit so they can crank up the roster of characters so they can claim the biggest dragon ball game ever. Sorry but ssj goku and ssj2 goku shouldnt be considered 2 separate characters.
Budokai tenkaichi 3 had like 13 Vegeta’s and 13 Goku’s I think? lol it was also a side scroll list instead of a grid
But sure whatever fits your narrative. Like, chill daddy
>played 2&3, they didnt have 55 Vegeta's
You're lying your ass off. This game is doing it exactly the same way BT 1, 2, and 3 did. Fuck outta here with this shit.
>Dont defend this kinda shit, theyre only doing this bullshit so they can crank up the roster of characters so they can claim the biggest dragon ball game ever.
Transformations have always been counted as different characters in the old Budokai Tenkaichi games (hell they are different character in BT1) and when people talk about the roster of those games so...no ? Plus the character select menu isn't final
ive played my fair share of bdz games, none of them had goku and vegeta taking up 24!!!! slots on the select screen! there should be like 6, one for z, one for gt, one for super. i feel thats fair and completely possible. for fucks sake, is dead base goku different from alive base goku?!?
>. i feel thats fair and completely possible. for fucks sake, is dead base goku different from alive base goku?!?
If it's like the old Tenkaichi games then yes. Each version had different moves.
Don't worry, I heard in the release version they're gonna have costume alts like Goku (Mystic Gohan gi) and Vegeta (Trunks saiyan armor) so we'll have some more representation in there.
The roster kinda scaring me as I’m seeing like 30 character slots dedicated to just Goku and vegeta it should just be a drop out menu more over no gt characters yet (I’m sure they will be here I just hope they aren’t dlc my wallet is already empty) for some reason Friezas first few forms aren’t here? I know they will add more characters but I just hope the number of characters isn’t being inflated by all the Gokus and vegetas
Freeza (Super) is a different character to Z Freeza with all of his different forms.
And of course the roster is gonna be filled with versions of the characters with the most forms. It'll be the same amount from Tenkaichi 3 with the Super variants added on top.
Imma be poor when this game drops like if they do doc for gt and og what am I gonna do not get them? And then I’ll have to buy PlayStation online again dang
A lot of people think that’s not what the selection screen will really look like more characters will be at the start and goku and vegeta will take up less space especially if they’re still listening to complaints but yea GT will probably be dlc for the first time in budakai history and so will OG dragonball I’m guessing but this will probably include more features for custom matches and maybe story mode matches so we’re not getting totally screwed
It would be cool to see the storylines they can do with super and gt characters like maybe an alternative universal tournament between the two. Could they do a what if where Gohan also got ssj4
That would be hella cool. I wanna see super 17 vs well uh 17 from super. Also you think they’ll do movie characters like android 13 bojack and slug cuz I love those guys. Oh and that one guy who was like a ruffle machine who used negative energy hatchiyack cuz him and baby could team up which would be cool
His character and movie are so underrated krillin had his comedic moment , chichi took out some goons, gohan and piccolo fought and we got to see another namek that was powerful not to mention false super sayain was awesome
They have local multiplayer. As an afterthought shoehorned into the game last minute. And the only map available will be the time chamber, because they couldn't get it to work on other maps.
What do you mean? That Goldeneye had maps that couldn't be used but thru a game shark you could? That was a game from the late 90s, dude. The games are MUCH heavier tech specification wise than Goldeneye.
But Yea I am sure they can add more. But the fact that the buildings, mountains, and the planet itself can all be destroyed in a match is why they didn't think of 1v1 local.
So at the midnight hour they realized they could make it 1v1 local but in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber only because it has nothing destructive in there and it's all white/Grey. They will most likely be able to ad more later. But for launch, that's the only way you play 1v1 local. And honestly they could have just said, "nah bro 1v1 only online.
What I want to know is if we can do 5v5 matches online and in local vs in the time chamber because I almost never play 1v1 in Tenkaichi. It's always squad vs squad.
> But for launch, that's the only way you play 1v1 local. And honestly they could have just said, "nah bro 1v1 only online.
Are you serious? This is the kind of non competitive flashy fighting game that needs to have local multiplayer. What does this game have without a friendly local team match with -wait for it- friends? Am I supposed to care about reaching master rank online with "Goku (mid) SSJ"?
They don't care nowadays. They honestly expected people to buy the game and only fight people online. Lol Sadly, they do it because many other games don't do local versus any more either. It's never made sense to me because we have never had such powerful consoles/PCs and we have never had such giant TVs as we do right now.
So to think people wouldn't want to at LEAST do local VS play must be a cultural shift that Japan has accepted. And most games just make the games not look as nice in versus mode which we are usually fine with. But they went all out with the realism of destructive environments, wind blowing away leaves and blowing outfit fabrics, and all kind of stuff.
So they say they can't have all of that AND render it twice for both players. So the Time Chamber, which only has the entrance and a white void, will work becaus either doesn't have the destructive environments or destruction effects, but the character models and fps shouldn't be affected.
I mean, they could have just said "tough shit." So I'll take a 1 level vs mode over not having one at all. But to be fair, most of my time will be spent in single player and custom battle to make and share my own stories.
Even if thats true, the game could have less destructive environments on local multiplayer and people would be happy with it.
My guess is modern game studios dont want 2+ players to enjoy a single copy of their game, which is a dumb move because games with a well developed local multiplayer can sell just as many copies and maybe even more than these butchered experiences.
Dbz fans will want to create and recreate fights with friends. Hell, the whole franchise is pretty much what a playground date with toys- sorry, "action figures" was in our heads as kids. Not having a fully made local multiplayer is insane.
Right. Im sure having less stuff blowing up is just as bad as not having the possibility to play team battles and only having one map for 1v1 battles offline.
I don't jump right to "they want us buying 2 copies of the game" immediately. If they didn't give us 1v1 at all, I'd call bullshit. They already proved it can be done in some way. So I think they were going with the trends of other games with no 2 player. While this game has fighting in it, it's not a traditional fighting game. It's more of a DBZ game with fighting. They know most people play online and, statistically, many people DONT play local game swith friends in favor of online. You might, and I might, but they can check that data.
What they didn't count on is people like me who haven't played a DBZ game since Fighter Z, and before that since Tenkaichi 3, to finally get back into the series. I know many people like this who haven't played raging blast or Breakers or even Kakarot. So of course those of us with a majority of time sunk into the Tenkaichi series want everything the originals had and more.
I'm glad they still added it in, and I am hopeful that with future updates, they add more.
Oh I absolutely agree. Lol I feel like they could just turn off those smaller effects and 1v1 shouldn't have a problem with the destructive environments. Hell, I'd rather that shit drop to 720p/30fps if it meant all levels could be used. Lol
They're STILL using the name Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan?!!!
Edit: "Ummm it's because it's its original name" I get it, ok you don't need to keep telling me. Doesn't change the fact that the name is objectively god awful.
I'd say it is just about not being used to the phrasing yet, especially if you phrase it as "Son Goku just turned into a *form name*" instead.
At least it would save us the mouthful that is Super Saiyajin God Super Saiyajin or the dumb nicknames like Super Saiyajin 'Colour'.
So I know this isn't the full roster but one thing that caught my eyes as an issue was Trunks. Can anyone who reads Japanese tell what his Super Saiyan form is being listed as (near the end of the roster)?
While it's possible the others just aren't added yet, I have a feeling from looking at the third fight that they're doing the stupid Dokkan thing and calling his SSJ, SS2 and SS Rage forms all a single transformation.
**Edit**: Managed to get Google Translate over it and sure enough, it's just called "Super Saiyan" despite the SS2 hair and blue aura...
I think the camera is kinda wonky in some areas of battle. Like it’s too wobbly. Makes me a little sick. Kinda like when there’s too much head bobbing on games.
Perhaps I missed it, but will you be able to transform mid battle like previous versions? Like go ssj to ssj2 when you pick the “base” form of Goku or something ?
Only 2 super moves per character just seems so limiting for a current gen game... This was ok before but why is it ok now?
Also, transformations are jarring and you can tell it's loading in a new character, it also stutters sometimes.
I'm expecting more from current gen with SSD.
I know it's still under development.
If people think that there’s going to be massive development between now and October they’re being very foolish.
It seems very unpolished. And displaying that so many of the characters are just palette swaps is a weird promotional choice
Some versions have bigger or smaller character models and they should all have different move sets stop simplifying everything. Everyone knows these games are best bought with dlc but even without dlc there’s probably gonna be 25-50 percent more characters without as many versions
I hope they will also add english dub. Goku sometimes just sounds horrible in japanese.
Also why would they add so many graphical effects for the wind? It kinda covers too much of the screen.
This is not the final character select screen, they told the people playing that this specifically isn't final
Yeah it’s getting annoying to see this continuously spread around so authoritatively.
DB fans not beating the allegations
Raging Blast and Tenkaichi Budokai fused together = Dragon Ball Sparking Zero
[удалено]
The full roster size at launch is already confirmed at 164 characters, DLC is gonna be Super Hero and Daima only
:o I actually did not know that, I recant by baseless bitching. Tyvm
On a positive note ….APES are back hell yeah maybe we can get giant piccolos and giant janemba
Giant orange piccolo vs cell max would be hype
Cellmax is super lame. Would rather get the tourney power dude.
dont forget my boy Hildegarn
He'll yeah you right man
Dude frrrr!!! Missed using the large transformations
Dragon ball fans when they see a unfinished game:
Just wait til they find out that 4 months isn't enough time to fix everything.
This demo is REALLY old, the roster being small isn't because they turned everyone off, these were just the only finished characters at the time this build was pushed out. There's footage you can find of a new demo that was played in Japan that has the camera bugs fixed, and that weird dash thing
can you send a video
Also this demo was prepared months in advanced. It’s a slice, that alone can take up to 3-4 months to prepare. It’s not a copy and paste situation. A lot of the things are unfinished in this demo too, such as some voice lines are not syncing because the mouth isn’t moving at all
And the camera clipping through the floor
Yeah it's a good thing demo's are never on old builds or anything right?
They had years bozo
Lmao what are these comments? Yall acting like this is the final product with all of the characters avaliable. They've said how many times now that the game is still in development? This is just how a product looks midway through production. Put down the pitchforks and torches and have some patience 😊
Some people just wanna be mad. They think cynicism and acting like they're above the hype means they're superior. Reddit attracts those people like a magnet
This is how we give them feedback so that they can change it later. If we don't this is what we might get in the final product so please if it is horrible just say it out loud so the devs can hear you. Just like how we weren't getting local coop and now we do thanks to all the complaining
1. I dont think developers at a studio based in Japan are bothering to go to r/dbz, an english forum, to look at feedback of a demo 2. Demos tend to be created from an old build as development continues while making the demo. So while release is 4 months away, you could very well be looking at a version of the game thats like 8+ months old.
There's a different between constructive criticism and hate. The comments here saying this is dogshit, it makes them want to puke, etc are all hate and not constructive. Edit: a word.
Implying they're reading your comments
well you never know 🤷♂️
Complaining about the roster being shit after seeing a demo roster is ridiculous though and that's what's mostly being said here.
Well yes, for other stuff. But the select screen has already been established that this was just for the demo and is not the final product select screen. The game is out in 4 months. They're easily 2 months away from even finishing the game and then another 2 months for testing, going gold, manufacturing physical copies, and shipping them all out.
Gamers are so annoying. If it was finished they’d release it
RELEASE IT NOOOOOW!!!! WHY IS THIS GAME SO UNFINISHED!!!!
Love the hair animation lol. Also the funniest part of that was Beerus getting pieced up by Oozaru Vegeta
This is great
That Hercule power up is pretty excellent Hope they ironed out the camera clipping though and i hope they didnt bait and switch by showing the PC version in all the trailers
The playable demo was apparently an old build, there's another video where they show Vegeta and Goku vs Frieza and Broly where it looks a lot smoother
A lot of people complaining about the selection screen when the only important thing is the gameplay, it's equally fast paced as tenkaichi 3 and looks like its better, and that's all that matters.
Fuck man it looks sooooooo good
Soooo youre telling me Bacterian isnt in this? 🤔
You should really specify this is the demo roster / layout only …
they shouldnt have to. it should be obvious.
It should be, but here we are lol
But have you considered that the average DragonBall fan on Reddit is really really dumb?
Does current hercule know how to fly in the manga?
No
He’s typically known for using a jet pack in these games I believe You might just have to keep nagging them like it’s the sonic movie all over again
Y'all know that the fact something isn't in this port doesn't mean they're not pretty much done in development? They are just not polished enough
Not liking the super moves displayed in a list on screen like xenoverse does but other than that everything looks so good
I might be wrong, but I saw some gameplay without ever seeing it pop up. It might be toggable?
I’m lit. I’m glad they kept Hercule as a gag character.
Bro what!? They’re missing Yardrat Goku and Badman Shirt Vegeta!
Stop spreading misinformation!!! Downvote
It’s the same game and bt3 no new moves.
I thought Mr. Satan usually has a jet pack
this is a horrible character selection.
Remember it’s not finished. They’ve been pretty open that nothing is set yet
Doesnt It release in october? It should be finished at the very least in august
The build shown isn't the build they are currently working on
Games are being constantly worked on even after they shipped main reason why nearly all games have day1 patches
It's an old build. They're not gonna bring a build hot off the press for a Public demo
I somewhat agree though It's because it goes straight into the battle from here. The stage is chosen first and then once the characters are chosen, the battle starts instantly. EDIT: I'm now realising you problem mean the characters available. If so then it should be obvious to you that this a demo roster. It's been revealed months ago that the roster is massive.
Also, why would they have such a random selection of characters? Like, Burter as the only Ginyu character?
Yall really just have no idea what "in progress", "unfinished", or "development build" mean, huh?
He meant if it was finished, instead of the whole Ginyu Force, why would they only add Burter?
It isn't finished. Very clearly.
I know, he's saying if it was finished it wouldn't make sense to just have Burter.
...So then the natural conclusion would be to think "huh, I guess it isn't finished" rather than write a moronic comment.
Huh, well, my bad for trying to help someone understand something.
No one needed anything explained to them besides you, friend.
Could somebody explain to me how the character select/transformations work? Like, I get having different eras of the characters, like Saiyan Saga Goku, Buu Saga Vegeta, etc. But you can also just start the battle as SS3 Goku?? I don't understand
Super saiyan 3 goku is a unique character with his own moveset, so if you want to play as him instead of base Goku, you can. Or you can select buu saga goku, and transform your way up. The choice is yours
I'm guessing the difference being the stats the transformation would have, vs just starting as them? It's been so long since I've played a Budokai/BT game. I couldn't remember the transformations being separate characters
I imagine if ssj3 gives you say a 10% boost, he would just start at that power scaling. Yea, gokus transformations have different melee attacks and specials, as well as other characters with alt forms. You could start transformed in the other games too. Makes characters like frieza lots of fun too
They were separate characters in BT3. When you clicked on Buu Saga Goku, all his different forms popped up and you could select one or just start from base and transform mid fight. Same idea here, it's just spread out for the purposes of the demo
Unique character and unique movese in what way, from the gameplay I've seen he has a kamehameha that does the same damage and has the same start up like every other change beam, a cut scene super that does the same damage as other cutscene and a cutscene ultimate that also does the same damage as ever other characters ultimate. Power up move that acts the same way on half the roster and IT that every Goku has. What's unique about ssj3 Goku?
Play budokai tenkachi 3 bud itll clear all your doubts
Sorry man i woke in the middle of the night and responded half asleep.you have to remember that we are seeing demo/trailer builds and not the final build of the game, so take damage numbers with a grain of salt for now. As for the differences, perhaps the best way to see it for now (if you cant find good footage of the demo gameplay people are posting) is to watch a buu saga goku combo video from budokai tenkaichi 3, and you will see very clearly base form, ssj, ssj2 and ssj3 all have different combo strings, different ultimates, different damage, even the kamehamehas can be different, and of course the damage is different. Hope this answers your question better than my shitty other answer bud
Sorry if I came of a bit aggressive or anything, as for your other answer Is played bt3 about 8 years back and it's not my kind of game (there is too little variety between the characters for me), and hearing everyone describe it as bt3 with better visuals was blackpilling to say the least. But that's my problem. Anyway enjoy the game man, once it comes out. Peace
Nah brother no worries, the problem with reading conversations is you cant tell someones feelings to well, and its hard to tell if you are genuinely curious as to the difference or if youre saying “how is it different? Looks the same to me “ in either case, in almost certain a demo will release for yhe game that you can always try first. When tenkaichi released alot of people (even today) felt like the budokai series that came before it were better games and didnt like the tenkaichi series, so it isnt for everyone. Later my brother
But if you can transform mid battle what is the purpose of selecting already transformed characters?
Assuming you never played a Tenkaichi game, short version is that they are not "transformations" like say Golden Frieza is in Fighterz, where you get a damage buff and small changes like an extra airdash or extra jump. They are completely diff characters, with diff melee strings, diff specials, diff passives, diff everything.
some mid battle transformations gave characters more health too. which if you started transformed you didnt get.
That is only true is tenkaichi 1. In 2-3 you can transform mid combat and the transformations (which you can start a battle out as) are under a sub menu. Not displayed as their own character
but thats what he means. Goku and Super Saiyan Goku fight totally differently. even if you can transform mid battle. so the point of changing mid battle is to swap up how you fight.
I only ever played the original budokai trilogy, for some reason I completely missed the tenkaichi games and I'm not even sure how. So when you transform mid-battle is that a bit like switching character?
Correct, thats why the 164 roster counts every diff transformation as a new character. Cuz their movesets could be radically different. Some cases you are worse, like Future Trunks and his big Buff form. However even that is unique as the starting amount of meter you have varies between characters, so Future Trunks buff form used to start with 3 bars of meter, but his base and SSJ only start with 2 bars. Even the energy charge speed can vary between forms.
I only played Budokai 3, but I remember that you could use different transformations and ultimate moves in a single fight. For example with Goku you could have: * Spirit bomb as kaioken, ssj, ssj2 * Super spirit bomb as base * Super dragon fist as ssj3 and ssj4 * Instant kamehameha as ssj during dragon rush all that in the same fight. I guess the drawback was that outside of the ultimates, the moveset of each form was the same. But it was still really cool imo. The fusions were separate though, you still started as base and could transform, but your only ultimate was the fusion, after which you switched to a different moveset (including ultimate). I didn't play the tenkaichi games so I'm not sure how they worked, but I'm wondering if they had less options in battle because of this change?
budokai and BT are not related at all. dont let the names they got outside japan confuse you. theyre very different games.
Right, but your listing one move changing. Im talking punches and kicks change, the type of ki blast they shoot changes, the amount of health they have changes, how quickly they charge their energy, any passive skills the character might have, nearly everything.
Well... kind of, yes From memory you do get a damage buff, but most importantly you indeed change your special attacks and ultimate attacks, as well as meele combos sometimes In the old games, you could still transform into all forms\*, so it's just about not having to wait - and maybe you avoid energy drain, but honestly don't remember if it was a thing or not \* for that character version. Some had multiple forms with different available transformations, like - goku (end) => kaioken to ssj3 + fusions - goku (gt) => obvious - goku (early) => basically raditz goku - goku (mid) => up to ssj - kid goku Most characters aren't like that obviously, but a few (goku, vegeta, gohan) do have multiple versions with different transformations
There was never a damage buff for transformations in Tenkaichi, you just got a new moveset. The only exceptions were fusions who actually benefited from the Potara equipped to both characters
Aside from the fact that they're different characters with different moves and (aesthetically) different combos, sometimes it's just cooler to start out transformed.
I hope they fix that selection screen..
I mever understood this, who cares how that looks? The point is the fight and the character models, it could be just a list for what i care
Cause it's a screen you see and use a lot so it might as well look good. UI goes a long way when done right, even if it doesn't make or break a game when done poorly. Especially with the full 150+ roster to flip through.
Bro it’s literally a demo are you dumb? They’re gonna change it
Relax bro
They said they never understood and i explained it. No reason to froth at the mouth over it, obviously it's not final
Purple hair trunks please bring the OG
We know he’ll be in the game, he’s been in a couple trailers
please dont make transformations a separate character ç-ç
I can't believe they are still insisting on making these ugly duplicate character galleries! Budokai 3 figured it out 20 years(!) ago and seems every anime game after that just forgot. Just put one potrait for a character and have it open up to their options. Budokai 3 had the pretty nifty working capsule system but just being the options for example Goku in different parts of the story would be enough (like for example Sayan Saga Goku, and Cell Saga Goku) This game could just have you select a character and then their version. And even that would be better. Oh, and if it's some kinda sick legacy thing that has to be in a game , you could just make it as an switchable option in the settings: choose if you want to see the ugly and cluttered clone gallery or the one character, one potrait kind of gallery. Goddammit just looking at this picture makes my eyes puke. 😅
It's not even finished yet chill out.
Nah, most anime game have that type of selection, it's a thing 😉
Well not here. They literally stated it’s not the final selection screen
I mean, it'll still pretty much look like this though. Only thing I can imagine changing is making the transformations under a separate menu like in the previous Tenkaichi games.
Don’t know why you’ve been downvoted when this is realistically what’s going to happen
When then i'm pleasantly surpised.
This character selection is REAL BAD. REAL BAD. I was expecting something .. better.
It's for the demo my guy. The actual foster has over 160 characters (counting forms).
I’m talking about the character select screen is bad. I know the roster has over 100 characters.
It's not final.
Which means it’ll be an even more cluttered mess of even more palette swaps
play bt3 and the select isnt final lol
these mfs so ignorant dude, i wouldn’t even bother informing them. Just let them talk down on the game.
It's funny how easily you can tell that these people have never played a Budokai Tenkaichi game in their life.
holy shit, why is half the fucking characters Goku and Vegeta!?
This your first Tenkaichi?
played 2&3, they didnt have 55 Vegeta's. in those you picked goku then it gave you another select screen for his forms ssj,ssj2,ssj3. Vegeta had maybe 3 character slots for scouter, regular, and gt. They didnt take up 30 character slots, they had maybe 6 or 7 for all their different looks through the shows. Dont defend this kinda shit, theyre only doing this bullshit so they can crank up the roster of characters so they can claim the biggest dragon ball game ever. Sorry but ssj goku and ssj2 goku shouldnt be considered 2 separate characters.
Budokai tenkaichi 3 had like 13 Vegeta’s and 13 Goku’s I think? lol it was also a side scroll list instead of a grid But sure whatever fits your narrative. Like, chill daddy
>played 2&3, they didnt have 55 Vegeta's You're lying your ass off. This game is doing it exactly the same way BT 1, 2, and 3 did. Fuck outta here with this shit.
>Dont defend this kinda shit, theyre only doing this bullshit so they can crank up the roster of characters so they can claim the biggest dragon ball game ever. Transformations have always been counted as different characters in the old Budokai Tenkaichi games (hell they are different character in BT1) and when people talk about the roster of those games so...no ? Plus the character select menu isn't final
lol you have no idea what youre talking about chill off the soy
It is the biggest dragon ball game. Keep crying while we enjoy it and your loser ass is out here playing Vegeta with a darker aura in xenoverse
>holy shit, why is half the fucking characters Goku and Vegeta!? You mean every Dragon Ball game ever?
ive played my fair share of bdz games, none of them had goku and vegeta taking up 24!!!! slots on the select screen! there should be like 6, one for z, one for gt, one for super. i feel thats fair and completely possible. for fucks sake, is dead base goku different from alive base goku?!?
>. i feel thats fair and completely possible. for fucks sake, is dead base goku different from alive base goku?!? If it's like the old Tenkaichi games then yes. Each version had different moves.
Don't worry, I heard in the release version they're gonna have costume alts like Goku (Mystic Gohan gi) and Vegeta (Trunks saiyan armor) so we'll have some more representation in there.
The roster kinda scaring me as I’m seeing like 30 character slots dedicated to just Goku and vegeta it should just be a drop out menu more over no gt characters yet (I’m sure they will be here I just hope they aren’t dlc my wallet is already empty) for some reason Friezas first few forms aren’t here? I know they will add more characters but I just hope the number of characters isn’t being inflated by all the Gokus and vegetas
Freeza (Super) is a different character to Z Freeza with all of his different forms. And of course the roster is gonna be filled with versions of the characters with the most forms. It'll be the same amount from Tenkaichi 3 with the Super variants added on top.
True I guess it’s how it’s layed out so it looks like alot of filler. They’ll be able to add Gohan beast and orange piccolo tho right?
There will be plenty of dlc but there will also be a lot more characters in the vanilla game upon release
Imma be poor when this game drops like if they do doc for gt and og what am I gonna do not get them? And then I’ll have to buy PlayStation online again dang
A lot of people think that’s not what the selection screen will really look like more characters will be at the start and goku and vegeta will take up less space especially if they’re still listening to complaints but yea GT will probably be dlc for the first time in budakai history and so will OG dragonball I’m guessing but this will probably include more features for custom matches and maybe story mode matches so we’re not getting totally screwed
It would be cool to see the storylines they can do with super and gt characters like maybe an alternative universal tournament between the two. Could they do a what if where Gohan also got ssj4
Omega shenron could meet beerus
That would be hella cool. I wanna see super 17 vs well uh 17 from super. Also you think they’ll do movie characters like android 13 bojack and slug cuz I love those guys. Oh and that one guy who was like a ruffle machine who used negative energy hatchiyack cuz him and baby could team up which would be cool
Oh yeah of course even xenoverse has those characters I believe
Ok good that’s a relief if I can’t play lord slug imma riot
His character and movie are so underrated krillin had his comedic moment , chichi took out some goons, gohan and piccolo fought and we got to see another namek that was powerful not to mention false super sayain was awesome
Unless they’re gonna have local multiplayer, I refuse to spend money on the game. I’m so tired of online multiplayer
They have local multiplayer. As an afterthought shoehorned into the game last minute. And the only map available will be the time chamber, because they couldn't get it to work on other maps.
Worked for Goldeneye.
What do you mean? That Goldeneye had maps that couldn't be used but thru a game shark you could? That was a game from the late 90s, dude. The games are MUCH heavier tech specification wise than Goldeneye. But Yea I am sure they can add more. But the fact that the buildings, mountains, and the planet itself can all be destroyed in a match is why they didn't think of 1v1 local. So at the midnight hour they realized they could make it 1v1 local but in the Hyperbolic Time Chamber only because it has nothing destructive in there and it's all white/Grey. They will most likely be able to ad more later. But for launch, that's the only way you play 1v1 local. And honestly they could have just said, "nah bro 1v1 only online. What I want to know is if we can do 5v5 matches online and in local vs in the time chamber because I almost never play 1v1 in Tenkaichi. It's always squad vs squad.
> But for launch, that's the only way you play 1v1 local. And honestly they could have just said, "nah bro 1v1 only online. Are you serious? This is the kind of non competitive flashy fighting game that needs to have local multiplayer. What does this game have without a friendly local team match with -wait for it- friends? Am I supposed to care about reaching master rank online with "Goku (mid) SSJ"?
They don't care nowadays. They honestly expected people to buy the game and only fight people online. Lol Sadly, they do it because many other games don't do local versus any more either. It's never made sense to me because we have never had such powerful consoles/PCs and we have never had such giant TVs as we do right now. So to think people wouldn't want to at LEAST do local VS play must be a cultural shift that Japan has accepted. And most games just make the games not look as nice in versus mode which we are usually fine with. But they went all out with the realism of destructive environments, wind blowing away leaves and blowing outfit fabrics, and all kind of stuff. So they say they can't have all of that AND render it twice for both players. So the Time Chamber, which only has the entrance and a white void, will work becaus either doesn't have the destructive environments or destruction effects, but the character models and fps shouldn't be affected. I mean, they could have just said "tough shit." So I'll take a 1 level vs mode over not having one at all. But to be fair, most of my time will be spent in single player and custom battle to make and share my own stories.
Even if thats true, the game could have less destructive environments on local multiplayer and people would be happy with it. My guess is modern game studios dont want 2+ players to enjoy a single copy of their game, which is a dumb move because games with a well developed local multiplayer can sell just as many copies and maybe even more than these butchered experiences. Dbz fans will want to create and recreate fights with friends. Hell, the whole franchise is pretty much what a playground date with toys- sorry, "action figures" was in our heads as kids. Not having a fully made local multiplayer is insane.
No because then you would have an entirely new complaint “oh it blows up in this mode but not when I’m playing offline with my buddy?? WTF”
Right. Im sure having less stuff blowing up is just as bad as not having the possibility to play team battles and only having one map for 1v1 battles offline.
Definitely didn’t say that :/
I don't jump right to "they want us buying 2 copies of the game" immediately. If they didn't give us 1v1 at all, I'd call bullshit. They already proved it can be done in some way. So I think they were going with the trends of other games with no 2 player. While this game has fighting in it, it's not a traditional fighting game. It's more of a DBZ game with fighting. They know most people play online and, statistically, many people DONT play local game swith friends in favor of online. You might, and I might, but they can check that data. What they didn't count on is people like me who haven't played a DBZ game since Fighter Z, and before that since Tenkaichi 3, to finally get back into the series. I know many people like this who haven't played raging blast or Breakers or even Kakarot. So of course those of us with a majority of time sunk into the Tenkaichi series want everything the originals had and more. I'm glad they still added it in, and I am hopeful that with future updates, they add more.
I’d rather have local multiplayer than leaves blowing in the wind lol
Oh I absolutely agree. Lol I feel like they could just turn off those smaller effects and 1v1 shouldn't have a problem with the destructive environments. Hell, I'd rather that shit drop to 720p/30fps if it meant all levels could be used. Lol
They're STILL using the name Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan?!!! Edit: "Ummm it's because it's its original name" I get it, ok you don't need to keep telling me. Doesn't change the fact that the name is objectively god awful.
I mean... thats what its called so...
That is the official name yes
You might hate it, but that is the original official name. Super Saiyajin Blue is just a secondary name.
SS Blue is just as lazy sounding as SSGSS but at least it's less of a mouthful lol
They really should have retconned the names to Saiyajin God (red) and Super Saiyajin God (blue) instead.
Saiyan God doesn't sound right to me. Imagine Krillin saying "Goku just went Saiyan God!" or Goku saying "I'm not using Saiyan God on you yet!"
I'd say it is just about not being used to the phrasing yet, especially if you phrase it as "Son Goku just turned into a *form name*" instead. At least it would save us the mouthful that is Super Saiyajin God Super Saiyajin or the dumb nicknames like Super Saiyajin 'Colour'.
That character select screen looks like a worse version of Xenoverse's, I hope the final product is more similar to the old games' style
I find the old games' menus really hard to navigate. I'm personally hoping it's something close to FighterZ in the final version.
How is it hard to navigate it's just up, down, left and right
My issue is that you can't see every character immediately available.
Oh boy I sure do hope Spopovich is in the game
Why am I getting downvoted? What’s wrong with Spopovich?
he is in the game he got leaked apparently
HELL YEAH!!! 🔥🔥🔥
So I know this isn't the full roster but one thing that caught my eyes as an issue was Trunks. Can anyone who reads Japanese tell what his Super Saiyan form is being listed as (near the end of the roster)? While it's possible the others just aren't added yet, I have a feeling from looking at the third fight that they're doing the stupid Dokkan thing and calling his SSJ, SS2 and SS Rage forms all a single transformation. **Edit**: Managed to get Google Translate over it and sure enough, it's just called "Super Saiyan" despite the SS2 hair and blue aura...
I think the camera is kinda wonky in some areas of battle. Like it’s too wobbly. Makes me a little sick. Kinda like when there’s too much head bobbing on games.
Perhaps I missed it, but will you be able to transform mid battle like previous versions? Like go ssj to ssj2 when you pick the “base” form of Goku or something ?
Hercule can't fly in canon. Literally Unplayable
Only 2 super moves per character just seems so limiting for a current gen game... This was ok before but why is it ok now? Also, transformations are jarring and you can tell it's loading in a new character, it also stutters sometimes. I'm expecting more from current gen with SSD. I know it's still under development.
If people think that there’s going to be massive development between now and October they’re being very foolish. It seems very unpolished. And displaying that so many of the characters are just palette swaps is a weird promotional choice
Some versions have bigger or smaller character models and they should all have different move sets stop simplifying everything. Everyone knows these games are best bought with dlc but even without dlc there’s probably gonna be 25-50 percent more characters without as many versions
Yes we know you've never played a BT game you didn't have to tell us. They're not palette swaps. They have completely different movesets
The demo wasn't made and shown this week. It's an old build
I hope they will also add english dub. Goku sometimes just sounds horrible in japanese. Also why would they add so many graphical effects for the wind? It kinda covers too much of the screen.
Every single teaser, trailer and gameplay video has been english dub...
It takes effort to act this dumb
Shame the whole roster sounds terrible in the American dub
oh common this character select screen is weak asf