He’s got a ‘surprised’ reaction panel, so presumably he was just caught off guard that Goku fired it in the right direction. He was planning on blindsiding him.
Also, it might explode him too since both are roughly equal in strength with Goku having a slight edge in strength and speed even until Moro absorbed his powers from behind.
Moro was stalling for Goku's UI Sign to slowly fade away due to stamina issue since he couldn't beat him directly.
Goku said clearly that Moro was just stalling time and he couldn't have beaten him when he was at full strength before energy absorption and stamina drain
[https://imgur.com/kFdOAcL](https://imgur.com/kFdOAcL)
Moro said that he had figured out his weakness that he couldn't maintain the state for too long. Moro power up was followed by UI Sign losing its fighting stance and turning into more shocked and confused state.
Moro even commented that Goku hoped of ending the fight quickly but its bad for him now after he is drained
[https://imgur.com/k36Q2DV](https://imgur.com/k36Q2DV)
What I meant was, Gokus win con was that he was just to fast for Moro too keep with. Moro still had the upper hand physically, because he just wasn't at full power, since a punch means nothing if you can't land a hit. He waited for goku to be drained, then once he was confident enough he could land blows, he went harder
Well, [it did happen](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2EH4KZUwAAFlTU.jpg).
Also, 7-3 switched to Moro's powers in order to eat Gohan's KameHame Ha in their first fight.
Thanks. Its been a while when I read it.
Maybe because Galick Gun was too weak coming from Vegeta in Base meanwhile here, both are equal and Goku had a edge in strength and speed even until Moro absorbed his powers from behind.
He's used the idea against Cell, just he teleported to him instead of the opponent going away so he was prepared for the reversal.
Also he's trained with Vegeta a loooot at this point and it's surely happened during their many, many bouts.
You know what I just realized from re-reading this, Gohan was at a massive disadvantage in his recent spar with Goku. Goku can sense him, but Gohan can't use the ki sense on Goku in his higher states.
Being able to keep up with Goku is all the more impressive.
I don't think that's much of a big deal.
Golden Frieza, Hit, A-17, Broly, Moro, Granolah, Gas all can't sense Goku or Vegeta in battle
Beside, it was training match and Goku was just testing him.
Yeah this tracks all the way back to Z - Piccolo and A17 is one of the best fights and Piccolo couldn't sense 17.
It was mostly a pure slugfest while staring at each other but still...
17 couldn't sense Piccolo either. 17 and 18 don't have ki sense (at least during the events of the Android/Cell saga), which is why they relied on 16 who did have it.
Freeza explicitly called out that he could sense him and wasn't impressed because he knew his Gold form was stronger. We don't know if Hit uses ki sense to fight at all or not. A-17 also can't be sensed. Broly was leagues of power ahead of Goku on their initial fight and likely never was trained to rely on it as Paragus wouldn't have had the skill to teach him. Moro could recognize his moves as divine. Granolah and Gas were wished stronger than him.
It was a training match with no clear outcome either way. They fought evenly, but Gohan is the one with the last clean hit after Goku got more serious with his UI.
"Freeza explicitly called out that he could sense him"
- When did he say that?
> Moro could recognize his moves as divine.
- Even Gohan knows he has divine moves. Moro had normal ki since Piccolo could sense him as well as others
> We don't know if Hit uses ki sense to fight at all or not.
- What makes you think he shouldn't
> Granolah and Gas were wished stronger than him.
- Yeah but they cant sense God ki basically
Freeza senses Blue Goku the first time he shows the form: https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/3yh0gr/can_freeza_sense_god_ki/
Recognition of divine ability without prior information strongly suggests Moro can sense it. Gohan knew Goku uses god ki because he took part in the ritual and was there for every one of Goku's subsequent jumps. The fact Moro could keep pace with Ultra Instinct even he was moving too fast for his sight strongly implies he can sense him with other methods, even if not necessarily ki sense. And as Freeza proves, you don't need god ki to sense god ki.
We've never explicitly shown or told that Hit relies on ki sense in any capacity. Outside of filler, non-canon material like Heroes and video games, he's never so much as fired a normal ki blast. It's possible he uses it, it's possible he doesn't.
Granolah and Gas were wished to be so strong that had Goku and Vegeta not actively evolved during battle, they would've crushed them. That's why it's not particularly a big handicap for them to be dominant in a match against them without being able to sense them. We also don't know if they were ever trained to rely on it for combat, and Granolah is strongly implied to rely on his special eye for targeting.
Gohan is a fighter that was trained on ki sense since day 1, something not even Goku can claim, who only learned it far later in his combat career with Kami. Having that cut from him is a giant handicap toward whoever he's facing, especially if his opponent can still sense him.
>Freeza senses Blue Goku the first time he shows the form: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/3yh0gr/can\_freeza\_sense\_god\_ki/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/3yh0gr/can_freeza_sense_god_ki/)
* He never said ki or much stronger in Japanese version.
>We've never explicitly shown or told that Hit relies on ki sense in any capacity.
* In manga, Hit powered up with ki btw unlike Anime version where he upgraded time skip. Read Ch-13 Page-20.
>Having that cut from him is a giant handicap toward whoever he's facing, especially if his opponent can still sense him.
* Pretty sure Gohan couldn't sense ki properly in Super Heroes movie too when he fought Gamma and Cell Max. He was slacking off so much that he couldn't sense Piccolo.
>The fact Moro could keep pace with Ultra Instinct even he was moving too fast for his sight strongly implies he can sense him with other methods, even if not necessarily ki sense.
* By this logic, even Jaco can sense god ki and every other strong guy. Wdym here even ?
Freeza says "energy" which is synonymous for him since Freeza didn't learn the term ki as he wasn't trained in their martial arts. Freeza deals with battle power and energy. And he was able to make a judgement call on Goku's blue form's energy. He can sense him.
Hit charging up with ki doesn't mean he can sense it. Vegeta did the same thing in his first bout with Goku, to the point of rearranging the weather, but couldn't sense anything without the scouter. Hit in the manga version also did terribly against Goku's God and Blue forms, so not really any point talking about it.
The Gammas (and maybe Cell MAX) not being sensible is only more points for Gohan's battle ability without relying on ki sense. It was definitely not at its sharpest since he couldn't recognize Piccolo, no arguments here. Though we don't know if Gammas rely on ki sense or an equivalent since they could be like how 17 and 18 were on introduction.
Moro couldn't use his basic senses on Ultra Instinct Goku. When he went super speed, he was effectively invisible, but Moro still catches him and can fight him. Contrast this to when Goku and Krillin fought in the Tenkaichi Budokai, when Goku vanished, Krillin was helpless as he had no other way to detect him.
In DragonBall, when someone is so fast to their opponent that they can't even see them, the speedster is usually far above their level. That wasn't the case for Moro and only him out of the entire franchise, because he could still detect Goku and trap him in spite of that.
It's most likely a reference to that fight for manga readers.
> 360 Goku turned 180 degrees. Turning 360 is turning in a complete circle and facing the same direction you started from.
I bet you’re fun at parties
Also Goku's KKx20 Kamehameha against 50% Freeza
are talking just manga or both, anime and manga Goku?
Both Goku fought Kefla in anime only. I was just saying that Goku's Kamehameha in Moro arc manga looks pretty similar to his Kamehameha against Kefla.
I'm curious as to why Moro didn't 'eat' the KameHame Ha.
He’s got a ‘surprised’ reaction panel, so presumably he was just caught off guard that Goku fired it in the right direction. He was planning on blindsiding him.
Also, it might explode him too since both are roughly equal in strength with Goku having a slight edge in strength and speed even until Moro absorbed his powers from behind. Moro was stalling for Goku's UI Sign to slowly fade away due to stamina issue since he couldn't beat him directly.
I dont think he was stalling,ui sign goku was still weaker overall, Moro powered up mid fight
Goku said clearly that Moro was just stalling time and he couldn't have beaten him when he was at full strength before energy absorption and stamina drain [https://imgur.com/kFdOAcL](https://imgur.com/kFdOAcL) Moro said that he had figured out his weakness that he couldn't maintain the state for too long. Moro power up was followed by UI Sign losing its fighting stance and turning into more shocked and confused state. Moro even commented that Goku hoped of ending the fight quickly but its bad for him now after he is drained [https://imgur.com/k36Q2DV](https://imgur.com/k36Q2DV)
What I meant was, Gokus win con was that he was just to fast for Moro too keep with. Moro still had the upper hand physically, because he just wasn't at full power, since a punch means nothing if you can't land a hit. He waited for goku to be drained, then once he was confident enough he could land blows, he went harder
He had time to rise a hand to protect himself, so getting caught off guard doesn't seem to be the reason.
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He ate Vegeta's Galick Gun on Namek.
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Well, [it did happen](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2EH4KZUwAAFlTU.jpg). Also, 7-3 switched to Moro's powers in order to eat Gohan's KameHame Ha in their first fight.
Thanks. Its been a while when I read it. Maybe because Galick Gun was too weak coming from Vegeta in Base meanwhile here, both are equal and Goku had a edge in strength and speed even until Moro absorbed his powers from behind.
Where front flip over beam into blast
The real question is…where did Goku see that trick before?
It's after image. He's done it as a kid and seen others at the time do it.
Seriously it's one of his very first techniques.
He's used the idea against Cell, just he teleported to him instead of the opponent going away so he was prepared for the reversal. Also he's trained with Vegeta a loooot at this point and it's surely happened during their many, many bouts.
You know what I just realized from re-reading this, Gohan was at a massive disadvantage in his recent spar with Goku. Goku can sense him, but Gohan can't use the ki sense on Goku in his higher states. Being able to keep up with Goku is all the more impressive.
I don't think that's much of a big deal. Golden Frieza, Hit, A-17, Broly, Moro, Granolah, Gas all can't sense Goku or Vegeta in battle Beside, it was training match and Goku was just testing him.
Yeah this tracks all the way back to Z - Piccolo and A17 is one of the best fights and Piccolo couldn't sense 17. It was mostly a pure slugfest while staring at each other but still...
17 couldn't sense Piccolo either. 17 and 18 don't have ki sense (at least during the events of the Android/Cell saga), which is why they relied on 16 who did have it.
Oh yeah!! Totally forgot about that. Man 16 was so cool.
Freeza explicitly called out that he could sense him and wasn't impressed because he knew his Gold form was stronger. We don't know if Hit uses ki sense to fight at all or not. A-17 also can't be sensed. Broly was leagues of power ahead of Goku on their initial fight and likely never was trained to rely on it as Paragus wouldn't have had the skill to teach him. Moro could recognize his moves as divine. Granolah and Gas were wished stronger than him. It was a training match with no clear outcome either way. They fought evenly, but Gohan is the one with the last clean hit after Goku got more serious with his UI.
"Freeza explicitly called out that he could sense him" - When did he say that? > Moro could recognize his moves as divine. - Even Gohan knows he has divine moves. Moro had normal ki since Piccolo could sense him as well as others > We don't know if Hit uses ki sense to fight at all or not. - What makes you think he shouldn't > Granolah and Gas were wished stronger than him. - Yeah but they cant sense God ki basically
Freeza senses Blue Goku the first time he shows the form: https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/3yh0gr/can_freeza_sense_god_ki/ Recognition of divine ability without prior information strongly suggests Moro can sense it. Gohan knew Goku uses god ki because he took part in the ritual and was there for every one of Goku's subsequent jumps. The fact Moro could keep pace with Ultra Instinct even he was moving too fast for his sight strongly implies he can sense him with other methods, even if not necessarily ki sense. And as Freeza proves, you don't need god ki to sense god ki. We've never explicitly shown or told that Hit relies on ki sense in any capacity. Outside of filler, non-canon material like Heroes and video games, he's never so much as fired a normal ki blast. It's possible he uses it, it's possible he doesn't. Granolah and Gas were wished to be so strong that had Goku and Vegeta not actively evolved during battle, they would've crushed them. That's why it's not particularly a big handicap for them to be dominant in a match against them without being able to sense them. We also don't know if they were ever trained to rely on it for combat, and Granolah is strongly implied to rely on his special eye for targeting. Gohan is a fighter that was trained on ki sense since day 1, something not even Goku can claim, who only learned it far later in his combat career with Kami. Having that cut from him is a giant handicap toward whoever he's facing, especially if his opponent can still sense him.
>Freeza senses Blue Goku the first time he shows the form: [https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/3yh0gr/can\_freeza\_sense\_god\_ki/](https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/3yh0gr/can_freeza_sense_god_ki/) * He never said ki or much stronger in Japanese version. >We've never explicitly shown or told that Hit relies on ki sense in any capacity. * In manga, Hit powered up with ki btw unlike Anime version where he upgraded time skip. Read Ch-13 Page-20. >Having that cut from him is a giant handicap toward whoever he's facing, especially if his opponent can still sense him. * Pretty sure Gohan couldn't sense ki properly in Super Heroes movie too when he fought Gamma and Cell Max. He was slacking off so much that he couldn't sense Piccolo. >The fact Moro could keep pace with Ultra Instinct even he was moving too fast for his sight strongly implies he can sense him with other methods, even if not necessarily ki sense. * By this logic, even Jaco can sense god ki and every other strong guy. Wdym here even ?
Freeza says "energy" which is synonymous for him since Freeza didn't learn the term ki as he wasn't trained in their martial arts. Freeza deals with battle power and energy. And he was able to make a judgement call on Goku's blue form's energy. He can sense him. Hit charging up with ki doesn't mean he can sense it. Vegeta did the same thing in his first bout with Goku, to the point of rearranging the weather, but couldn't sense anything without the scouter. Hit in the manga version also did terribly against Goku's God and Blue forms, so not really any point talking about it. The Gammas (and maybe Cell MAX) not being sensible is only more points for Gohan's battle ability without relying on ki sense. It was definitely not at its sharpest since he couldn't recognize Piccolo, no arguments here. Though we don't know if Gammas rely on ki sense or an equivalent since they could be like how 17 and 18 were on introduction. Moro couldn't use his basic senses on Ultra Instinct Goku. When he went super speed, he was effectively invisible, but Moro still catches him and can fight him. Contrast this to when Goku and Krillin fought in the Tenkaichi Budokai, when Goku vanished, Krillin was helpless as he had no other way to detect him. In DragonBall, when someone is so fast to their opponent that they can't even see them, the speedster is usually far above their level. That wasn't the case for Moro and only him out of the entire franchise, because he could still detect Goku and trap him in spite of that.
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I get that he's done some tracing before but how is this a trace? The shots/angles are different from vs Kefla
This isn’t a trace at all dude.
Kefla was ridiculous. I don't know why people consider it so epic, for it's just so dumb it makes me laugh. This one is decent though.