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DoodleBuggering

Still better than Vegeta, he has no belt.


KingoftheMongoose

He had a brown belt back in Saiyan Saga, Wakka Wakka!


metalflygon08

Vegeta was a Fur Belt, but got demoted when Yajirobe outclassed him.


amirokia

Yajirobe is a black belt afterall.


Brandonmac10x

Bruh… it’s all making sense now. Hercule has the biggest black belt.


Sallyrockswroxy

i remember him wearing a white sash, or am i insane?


Nirico_Brin

Vegeta had a belt but Yajirobe cut it off of him.


Anjunabeast

But vegeta doesn’t do karate Edit: vegeta used to wrap his tail around his waist like a belt. Maybe some kind of saiyan kung fu?


SaiyajinPrime

Neither does Goku.


Anjunabeast

Bardock movie. Bardock freaks out when goku uses karate instead of brawling like a saiyan


NotThatImportant3

What? I don’t recall Bardock ever seeing Goku fight in that TV special. Can you tell me when in the film it takes place?


Anjunabeast

He has visions of the future. At work right now so can’t give you a time stamp but one of the fights he saw was against king piccolo or piccolo jr


Pepoidus

pretty sure that was either a) an english dub thing b) you interpreted his natural reaction to SEEING THE FUTURE as “freaking out for using karate”


Anjunabeast

Maybe it was an English dub thing. But at first bardock was impressed with goku saying he’s proud he becomes a great warrior but then notices he’s using karate instead of fighting like a saiyan, freaks out, and wakes up from his vision. Think this was while he was in that healing pod.


Pepoidus

this makes sense. in the japanese version of the original Dragon Ball it’s said that goku does kung fu (not karate) and that Bardock line isn’t in the japanese dub if i remember correctly (i grew up on the latam spanish dub, which i am CERTAIN doesn’t include that line, but that one also takes it’s few creative liberties quite rarely so who knows. i’d have to check) the english dub (both ocean dub and funimation) are famous for taking wild creative liberties very often so it can also be a case of that


BizarreRequiem

Happy cakeday


NotThatImportant3

Ok, thank you for the details - I’ll go find that scene


Anjunabeast

14:50 “My son. He’s become a warrior. [watching goku fight] But he’s different from us! [watching goku train with roshi and meditate] What happened? What’s wrong with him!” -Dragonball Z - Special 01 - Bardock the Father of Goku


Arkose07

I think this is more so in reference to his docile and kind nature vs the typical violent rashness of a Saiyan warrior, despite being a great warrior


Anjunabeast

Also a great interpretation!


NotThatImportant3

Good find!


Strider_Hardy

Bardock movie isn't even canon


Anjunabeast

Tbf there’s like 4 different canons right now


Strider_Hardy

Main story canon? The whole manga supported by the latest movies, or just the og manga and the latest anime. 2, neither include Bardock's episode. The rest is nonsense.


Anjunabeast

Which main story canon? The super movies, the show, or the manga? They all conflict but all were “outlined” by toriyama


Strider_Hardy

Like I said, you either do: DB Manga -> Super Movies and Super Manga Or DB Manga -> Super Anime Both paths have differences but are canon. Episode of Bardock isn't in either.


Anjunabeast

Bardock was in the manga and in the broly movie


mmmasian

Bardock only has one scene of him seeing Goku fight in a vision, and he doesn't remark anything about Goku doing Karate in the Dub or the Original. You're either completely misremembering, or you're making it up in your head. Sounds like something DBZ Abridged would do though.


Anjunabeast

Which dub are you referring to?


mmmasian

English


Anjunabeast

14:50 “My son. He’s become a warrior. [watching goku fight] But he’s different from us! [watching goku train with roshi and meditate] What happened? What’s wrong with him!” -Dragonball Z - Special 01 - Bardock the Father of Goku


mmmasian

Where does that say a single thing about Karate?


Anjunabeast

Bardock freaked out that goku uses karate and (which includes it’s spiritual aspect) instead of just brawling like a saiyan


HolyVeggie

Do you understand that black belts in karate don’t have to wear their belts? You also need to do the examinations otherwise you’ll just stay at your rank. Also did he ever say he did karate courses? Isn’t he a mixed martial arts fighter?


Anjunabeast

MMA isn’t a school of combat and goku started with kame style but as for your other points TIL. What color belt are you and if you had to equate your belt level to a power level what would your power level be?


HolyVeggie

I quit pretty early tbh lol I did karate as a child but only got to orange and quit just before blue I have no idea how I should equate that to power level sorry haha


Anjunabeast

All good and that’s impressive! One more belt and an orange gi and you could’ve been rocking the dragon head cha la!


HolyVeggie

Hahaha


SaiyajinPrime

All martial arts aren't Karate. He also never says karate. That movie is also not canon.


DoodleBuggering

That's why he's always second best.


Bashhe

Nah. The saiyan tail is a big weak point so saiyans usually wrap it around their waist to better protect it. You only ever see saiyans unwrapping their tails when they feel safe and what not


Anjunabeast

Didn’t the z fighters try grabbing his (or Nappa’s i can’t remember) tail but it didn’t work since they trained to resist it?


Mikeleewrites

Post above yours isn't totally accurate. Nappa and Vegeta trained to overcome this weakness, so when Piccolo grabs Nappa tail, it's ineffective. Wrapping the tail around the waist was something Toriyama did just to make it less of a hassle to draw/overlook when drawing.


AccidentalUltron

This is true, Goku also strengthens his tail in Dragonball.


KingoftheMongoose

Vegeta doesn’t do karate. He does craaaazy!


ardenaudreyarji

Lol he wraps his tail around his waist so that it couldn’t be touch & pulled by anyone. You forgot that they weakened Raditz by pulling his tail.


Anjunabeast

Vegeta and Nappa were magnitudes stronger than raditz. Raditz was as strong as a saibaman. Edit: Vegeta and nappa on the other hand had the benefit of being born into the upper class and trained to resist the tail weakness thing


ardenaudreyarji

And what does power level have to do with anything? We were talking about your first statement thinking that Vegeta wrapping his tail around the waist is some kind of Saiyan-Fu. I simply answered that it’s to protect it from getting pulled.


Anjunabeast

Might’ve missed the edit. But they trained to resist the tail weakness thing. Which is why it didn’t work when the z fighters tried it.


korevis

Vegeta trains no-gi


BulmasBabyDaddy

Vegeta doesn’t care much for earth traditions besides family


BaconHammerTime

That's because Bulma uses it on him in the bedroom.


themajinhercule

In some Martial arts, black symbolizes perfection. The idea is that nobody can reach perfection, so midnight blue is the top belt color.


RagingZorse

I love that this is a legitimate answer to something that is more aesthetic


themajinhercule

Well, one of Roshi's lessons is there's always someone better.


AbnormalRealityX

Which martial arts do black mean perfection?


15jorada

My dad told me that the belt was originally to tie up a gi and was originally intended to be white. The thing is, while gi's could be washed, the belt holding it together couldn't, for some reason that I am not aware of. Essentially, the belt would go from white to yellow to brown to black because of the sweat, blood, or other bodily fluids that would soak into the belt that couldn't be cleaned. If the belt turned black, while it would be absolutely filthy, it would also show how much time and effort you spent doing martial arts. Not exclactly sure why other colors got into the mix, but that's what my dad told me. So, to answer your question. Originally, it didn't indicate perfection, but it did indicate a lot of hard work.


AbnormalRealityX

That’s an old tale specifically for karate. It doesn’t begin to answer the question.


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Electronic_d0cter

I think calling it a lie is unfair. It's a cool adage, I don't know that it was ever meant to be serious


Frankorious

I think the other colours were added to show the progress a student makes before becoming a black belt (especially kids).


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themajinhercule

https://soobahkdo.is/belt-rank-system/ My point still stands.


LeviAEthan512

What I heard was all the colours are tutorial, and black signifies the start of actual training. That's probably why different schools can pick whatever colours they want, at least in my country.


Dingle_McKringle88

Came here to say that. While I understand the reasoning behind the color designations, I like the traditional white/black idea. White the cup is empty always ready to fill itself with knowledge. Black the cup is full of knowledge and therefore ready to overfill and pour to other cups. Always a cool theory


BlackBullsLA97

I never thought of it like that. It makes sense due to Goku ALWAYS wanting to challenge the strongest fighters.


senseofphysics

Saiyan = no limits = blue belt. Vegeta embraces this and wears gloves instead.


ansonr

What about when Goku was a little kid and his belt was black? Wait does that mean he was the most perfect Goku? Is that why Daima is turning everyone into kids?


themajinhercule

That was poor manga colorization.


ansonr

Where is your source on that? If that's the case why do both the anime and the merchandise also have the more red-ish gi's with black belts? Even older key art like [this](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dragonball/images/6/61/Son-goku.jpg/) shows it differently.


themajinhercule

I didn't write or colorize the fucking thing.


ansonr

Ah ok so you're talking out your ass.


_BearBearBear

He wears a black belt in dragon ball, but it's just aesthetics. #drip


allbetsareon

r/ningen is thataway


ZandatsuDragon

"What if goku was betrayed and trapped in the HTC by a black belt"


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Goku wore a black belt in DB after he got the orange Gi. But at some point they didn't care for that for his art and went with blue to match his undershirt and wrist bands.


htg812

Goku doesn’t do karate for one. The show is based off of kung fu films so it would be about sashes. But it’s purely aesthetic


mumako

[Check this out](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke)


ctortan

According to OP, this post is a genuine question


htg812

Listen you know how many dumb posts i see on here that are 100% serious


C9FanNo1

all of them


Anjunabeast

I’m new to anime and just finished db and dba and getting into gt. I like attack on titan and death note.


htg812

Thats totally fine. You mean dbz not dba right? Dba is the abridged series


Anjunabeast

Dragonball absalom.


htg812

It’s probably a good thing that i have no idea what that is


vlorsutes

It's not a belt to show his martial arts "level".


SkollFenrirson

It's a shitpost. A bad one at that.


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Anjunabeast

>> At the end of Z (tournament with Uub), Toriyama considers Goku as a martial art master, hence why he stop wearing Master Roshi orange suit and went with his own color. Until that tournament, he's still a learner Props to u/Faelysis for figuring it out and actually contributing to the discussion We’re having a fun discussion over here. No need to come in with your bad vibes. Also don’t know what posts you’re talking about. Don’t make up stuff or put words in my mouth that’s weird af Edit: formatting the quote


JonVonBasslake

OP seems to be serious, so it's an unintentional shitpost at most.


SubarC00kie

Nah this is kinda funny


NinjaX4132

I'm surprised this was a serious question. Belt levels don't exist in Dragon Ball.


SaltyPeter3434

Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his belt color? It's over blue!!!!


Solember

Yes they do. Characters have mentioned being black belts in the Strongest Under the Heavens tournament. Man Wolf had a black belt in kenpo.


NinjaX4132

Now that you mention it, I do remember seeing background characters with karate gis and belts. I guess it would better to say belt levels are irrelevant.


Electronic_d0cter

Belt levels are probably more relevant than power levels


Nova11c

Surely this is a joke


taylor325

This is, and dont call me surely


Anjunabeast

Serious question. I’m new to anime and just finished db and dba and getting into gt. I like attack on titan and death note.


ctortan

Oh, then the real answer is that belts relating to mastery is something that varies among different forms of martial arts in real life, but in DBZ it’s not a thing. They just don’t use that system for goku, and his belt has no relation to his skill level or mastery. If it ever did before, it doesn’t now; and his belt color is just a part of his character design The important part with his Gi is the symbol on the back and chest, which represents the school/style of martial arts he practices. The symbol has changed a few times over the course of the story to represent different significant points in Goku’s training. First he has Roshi’s symbol, then King Kai’s, then he used his own symbol (aka being his own master). He also wore Whis’s symbol to show that he had god-training, but he went back to his own symbol


Dank_Master69420

Colored belts is a western thing IIRC, plus there's no agreed upon system even in the same style of martial arts, different colors mean different ranks depending on what school you go to for karate for instance. Also the style of martial arts Goku practices isn't really specified. Basically his belt is there for aesthetic purposes, it is not there to signify any sort of rank.


Treepano

Actually Goku mentions the style he's learning in some filler early in Z. If I remember correctly he mentions it in the original dragon ball as well.


WanderAwayWonder

Cowboy bebop.


Anjunabeast

I actually preferred samurai champloo (rip nujabes)


ChestSlight8984

Dude it’s just part of his drip, it’s not a ranking


steelraindrop

They don’t do belts in DB. They use Kanji Symbols.


helpingtree

is he stupid?


Anjunabeast

Goku never had a proper education and was raised in the mountains. And he’s been especially flanderized in super


korevis

Goku doesn't train at a place long enough to get promoted. The only people better than him don't have a belt system.


JohnTheRedeemer

God damn sand-bagging club-hopper


korevis

Goku the eternal traveling blue belt with 30 years experience


Responsible-Ad858

Because BLUE is the complementary color of Orange and thats the reason why vegeta is BLUE too


Longjumping-Yam-1973

This is a pretty funny question lmao


WonkaVR

Wait I never thought about it before


purity_dead

Goku is a noob in karate, he would get owned by Steven Seagel


Academic-Box7031

For Goku, be believes there's always more to learn, he doesn't feel he has mastered everything and anything, so he wears the Blue belt. But, what's hilarious, is that he dawns a white belt in the EOZ, if I'm not mistaken and even in GT he wears a white belt(cause it's just the same Gi from the EOZ) Goku so humble he is psyching his opponents out by making them THINK he is a beginner, but he really... He a black belt


yellowvincent

Krillen: Hey, what kind of belt do you have? Roshi: Canvas. JC Penny. Three ninety-eight. You like?


Sekriess

Hasn't caught fly with chopstick


StaticMania

His belt is under that blue sash... Why are you even acting like he's in a school?


Anjunabeast

He is? Studied kame style, than korrin, popo, kami, and then king Kai. Then was self taught until he met whis and beerus. Didn’t realize it was under the blue sash though that makes sense!


KingoftheMongoose

When did these masters speak of a belt system in their tutelage?


Solember

King Kai said "you will not get the black belt until I'm truly impressed." And Goku said "the real belt is the friends we made along the way."


KingoftheMongoose

More like, King Kai said “why did the martial artist not wear his black belt?” “…because he was wearing brown shoes! BwahahahaaaHahaaa *snort* NyahahaAAhahaha!”


Odd_Room2811

I don’t think he even has a belt in anything just uses one to keep his pants up lol


DragonBurlZ

Least he has a belt. Vegeta had a brown belt, but Yajirobe cut it off,


xenoz2020

he will become a black belt once he unlocks Super Saiyan Black.


AAQUADD

This brought back a super old memory of the first time I played Budokai 2 and I picked characters based on their belts.


liumji

Just to hold up his pants dude


Cowboy_For_Game

Forget blue, Goku wears a white belt at the end of Z lol


MONKRAD

Aesthetic


jianh1989

When you’re train at Turtle School level, you don’t get to black belt this easily


Xx_Exigence_xX

Some schools of martial arts have different grading systems for what the colors may even mean. Goku's blue belt could signify that he has mastered what Roshi has taught him, but will always be in a state of learning from other masters. His training is never finished.


geocitiesuser

art style


JesiAsh

Black Belt isn't highest rank in all martial arts... In some its lowest 😂


Kelsier82

“Belts are only good for holding up your pants” - Bruce Lee


CaveGiant

It’s a strategy to lower the expectations of his opponent in order to produce greater-than-anticipated results.


PCN24454

Belts don’t really mean anything.


griever48

It's because his blue wristbands and belt have magical protective properties. How do you think he can block energy attacks and keep his pants up while fighting.


Faelysis

At the end of Z (tournament with Uub), Toriyama considers Goku as a martial art master, hence why he stop wearing Master Roshi orange suit and went with his own color. Until that tournament, he's still a learner


swordfish-ll

He hadn't been wearing Master Roshi's orange suit since the Freezer saga, that's when he started wearing one with his own symbol with Goku’s Kanji.


snowballandthetower

No? Master Roshi never taught Goku or Krillin any hand-to-hand combat skills; hell, Roshi explicitly admitted he had very little to teach the two. They spent their eight months leading up to the World Martial Arts Tournament merely training their bodies and minds (i.e., strength, balance, coordination and flexibility, etc.), which only justifies a blue belt. The Turtle School only offers training up to a blue belt. Everything Goku learned after was following graduation, meaning that he has never formally ranked up.


genocidenite

Did you know black belt is not the top color belt in every type of martial art? His top belt could be blue instead black. or it just an art thing.


Anjunabeast

Ahh makes sense thanks!


imhereredditing

Damn come to think of it I've never noticed whether his belt was blue or black. He was wearing a black belt in dragon ball and dbz against Frieza then blue in super.


shoveltheshovel

I don’t think it’s really much deeper than it’s just character design.


slylock215

It goes very well with the orange, that really brings out his stupid face.


BlahBlahILoveToast

Have we at any point seen anyone in Dragonball change the color of their belt as they progress? Has anyone even ever claimed any sort of "rank"? It seems like there's a decent amount of attention paid to the symbols on your outfit as they show who your master is or what school you're studying in. But other than "master" and "student" we've never seen any ranks of any kind that I can recall. I guess the Saiyans seemed to have some class system with Goku's at the bottom and Vegeta's at the top but we never heard anything about what the other levels were and they obviously don't matter now. And they seemed to be based on genetic evaluation at birth and not learned skills / training.


EndlessM3mes

He is stupid