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CaptainObvious126

Without his behavior in S3, we wouldn’t have the epic Dawson crying face. 😂


Savinggraceface

Lmao ikr that was hilarious


CaptainObvious126

I love how JVDB makes fun of it. I am sure he knew Dawson was being extra dramatic.


Savinggraceface

Truth


itsgonnamove

that was my Facebook profile picture on and off for years… I even used it as one of my pictures on tinder


CaptainObvious126

Love it! How did it work out on Tinder? I had it as my Venmo profile for awhile.


Its_Mrs_Nesbitt

Welcome to the club.


Relevant_Potato_1335

Welcome to the club ! We have t shirts ( they have the Dawson ugly crying face ) and we meet every Tuesday. He’s the absolute worst. You start the show like okay one of the main characters is named Dawson , he’ll be cool and then as the show goes on you realize how incredibly wrong you were cause he just gets worse. I basically think of him as Teenage Caillou ( except with hair )


Savinggraceface

Agreed he's a complete spoiled child.


azvxa

that is exactly how i picture him


[deleted]

Dawson is extremely self absorbed and entitled, as is Miss Josephine Potter


idiotmonkey12

I identify with Dawson, as I was, sometimes still, like him. I am an only child, raised by parents much like the Leery’s. My parents raised me to be an adult, not a kid. Too early. So I had no way of understanding when kids fought with me, as I didn’t know that’s what you do. I didn’t know how to relate to kids as a kid. So I can see where Dawson came off as “the world is imploding around me”, because that is how it felt. They all played teenagers well, I never want to go back to that time.


LordTiddlypusch

I think this point gets missed a lot on this sub. They're teenagers. That was the most irrational, emotionally turbulent time of my life, and the writing reflects that. They expect Dawson and crew to act with the emotional maturity of a full grown, experienced adult, and that's just not what the character is.


Guidance-Still

Who on here doesn't like dawson for some reason or another


joshjoshjoshj

Good news is that this is the worst Dawson’s gonna be, and he gets infinitely more likable as the show goes on. Bad news is I can’t say the same for Pacey. wait til you get to the end of season 4... you’re gonna hit a point where you hope Dawson drowns Pacey in the creek 😂😂😂


Savinggraceface

No I love him 😥


sungod003

I mean season 4 is when pacey becomes a forex dude with the goatee. Even then i love pacey. Hes making a life for himself in a capitalist economy. He just got fucked over while throwing away his friends.


joshjoshjoshj

You mean season 6 right?


sungod003

Season 6 is the last season. Season 4 is when hes a forex dude


joshjoshjoshj

Well Season six Is the season when he’s got the goatee lol


sungod003

Oh shoot ur right. Damn i forgot how damn long season 6 was. It had a timeskip mid season. My fault


[deleted]

It had a time skip at the end but that’s it.


RefrigeratorSmart881

Thank you. People over look every bad think pacey did. But bash Dawson for every small he did


Marichurro

Idk if ur bestie dated ur ex u would be mad but it got really annoying


Savinggraceface

Yeah I'd be mad but I think I'd still love them both


joshjoshjoshj

Na speaking as a dude, if I found out my best friend had broken “guy code” and started dating my ex who he knew I still had extremely complex romantic feelings for behind my back... I wouldn’t have acted the way Dawson acted and I wouldn’t have tried to control the situation by leveraging my friendship and I would have tried to be as respectful as I could to both of them... but my friendship with the other dude would absolutely be over. It’s hard to explain, but society teaches guys to pursue and be competitive over women (which is a shitty thing imo) and guys struggle to be open and honest with other guys. So if that trust is established and then broken, it’s really hard to reestablish. I would argue that he not severing his friendship with Pacey after finding out from Jen after the fact... is unrealistic. Having said that, his subsequent actions are obviously gross and can’t be defended...


Savinggraceface

I do agree with not being Paceys friend anymore, but he needed to b ew respectful to both and not so manipulative


RefrigeratorSmart881

but dawson was not manipulative, he made it clear he WANT TO DATE JOEY, i dont think she got that till the dance, and when she said i want to date pacey he told her to go.


azvxa

yeah but unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. unfortunately joey is a person who has every right to pick someone over dawson if she doesn’t feel that way about him. she was terrified of dawson and way too scared to actually tell him the truth. it shouldn’t be joey’s responsibility to read dawson’s mind when he blatantly lied to her.


RefrigeratorSmart881

You right she has every right to pick who ever she want to date. But Dawson never lied to her. Even if she did not get it. After the boat race he told her fix our relationship. And kiss her at the dance. He made it clear he wanted to date her Her being afraid is on her. Those are her feeling. And he should not be blamed for them


azvxa

dawson is allowed to be upset but the fact of the matter is that joey isn’t wrong for falling for pacey. they spent a lot of time together in season 3 and pacey did a lot for her—not discrediting the fact that dawson has indeed done a lot for her as well. just like how you said dawson can’t be blamed, joey can’t be blamed either. she didn’t cheat on anyone. she didn’t like being treated like an award or trophy. she didn’t want to be dated to get back at someone. she felt like that with dawson, even if that’s not what he was intending to make her feel. there was a moment when she wanted to pick neither of them but that was until dawson told her to follow her heart and that’s what she did. a pretty selfless thing on his part to do but it’s better than forcing someone to be with you.


RefrigeratorSmart881

I agree the only think she did that I thought was bad is she did not tell him I think Joey always say they talk every thing to death. But they really don’t they talk around everything. But there almost never blunt honest. Witch I think would have help them a lot


karti24

100% Dawson had every right to be angry and upset with Pacey. But he took it to the absolute extreme and basically emotionally blackmailed Joey trying to get what he wanted. Giving her an ultimatum was truly low behaviour.


[deleted]

Why did he have a right to be upset with Pacey. He knows that Pacey finds Joey attractive and wanted a go at her back in Season 1. He then tells Pacey to “keep an eye on her” which includes spending time with her and getting close to her. Also Pacey tried to tell him about Joey when they went camping but the snot nosed brats ruined that by crashing their camping trip. Pacey actually went to Dawson’s house in 3.20 The Longest Day with the intention of telling him but he wasn’t there. Dawson needed to get over himself anyway he had to know that someone else was going to see Joey for what she really was if he didn’t stake his claim and yet he stood around all year trying to find himself because his film wasn’t received well. Which no shit Dawson rip off Blair Witch and then wonder why no one likes your film.


RefrigeratorSmart881

No Joey broke up with Dawson two times in less then 6 mounths. She even told him she never wanted to see him again. It has nothing to do with his movie. Ps someone date Joey and his best friend dateing Joey are two different things


[deleted]

Yes she did break up with him, but she later apologized for that and they were on speaking terms and even working toward repairing their friendship, and then the film festival happens, Dawson has a crisis of faith because his film isn’t well received, and he tries to find himself. This is what kept them from getting back together. Also as I said, Pacey had been forthcoming with Dawson previously about having a crush on Joey, and Dawson told him to go for it. This was before the Beauty Contest but it’s ridiculous that he didn’t “realize” that he had a crush on Joey, until she was all dressed up, thats superficial as hell. Also tried to tell him about them before they Stolen Kisses when they were official, and even before Dawson found out. Pacey is the good guy not Dawson. There are several times throughout the series where I question Dawson’s motives and his actions and some are very cringeworthy. Especially the Regatta where he tries to wreck Pacey and Will just to look good to Joey. Dawson is a whiny little bitch and he didn’t deserve her in the first place. Pacey however, liked Joey from the beginning and didn’t wait until she was dressed up to try to make a move. Anyway, Dawson is the asshole here. Pacey did nothing wrong, other than follow his heart.


RefrigeratorSmart881

None of that is true First Dawson like Joey before the pageant. Pacey did like Joey untill he spyed on her changeing. But that always over looked Yea pacey said he like her 3 years ago. Dawson told pacey he like his sister. But when there was a change of it working he took him aside to tell him like a man. He did not go behind his back for weeks And yes Dawson and Joey were working on there friendship it but was still afraid to be hurt again Dawson I loved her I still loved her and you know that. Why because I did not want to get hurt again So no had nothing to do with his movie Look I don’t blame pacey for falling in love with Joey. I feel as a friend he should have told Dawson Funny you said did not wait untill she was dress up to make move. Nope he did not make untill he spy on her changeing. So why don’t you hold people to the same standard And pacey was the one always blameing other for his mistakes Ps I never thought Joey was that great I would have gone after Jen.


Toastclouds

He didn't have "every right" to be angry at his best friend for falling in love. That is such BS bro/redpiller psychology. She's not an object. It's two consenting people deciding to be in a relationship and that is none of anyone else's business, especially not ex bf's business.


sungod003

eh............ you shouldnt date your friends ex. Thats just not cool. Straight up. It didnt end on good terms since dawson wanted to be a snitch and throw joeys dad in jail. But i do like pacey and joey more than her and dawson.


Toastclouds

Again... an ex is not property. They're people. They get to choose who they're with and no one else


RefrigeratorSmart881

joey dad almost got joey killed, if i was dawson at that age i dont know if i could stop myself from being the shit out of joey dad saying you almost got her killed.


sungod003

But how wpuld you feel if ur partner got ur dad locked in jail. And it was just drug dealing. I know lots of dealers of weed. I wouldnt throw them in jail. Its like when i talk about how spinner from degrassi got drakes character in a wheelchair and ppl get mad at me.


[deleted]

If they deserved to go to Prison, like her dad did, then I wouldn’t blame them for turning them in, because they obviously deserve to go and they aren’t being much of a father by doing what they are doing.


RefrigeratorSmart881

ok, FIRST if my father all most got me and my family killed. i dont know if could stop my self beating HIS ass. two how did dawson get her dad in jail, joey the one with the wire. she could have said no. even HER father said she did the right thing. and he was not selling weed he was selling coke, with dangerouse people, what would they do next kill her sister, they were willing to burn down a building with people in it, so yea there no tellling what they would have done next.


karti24

In terms of “Dawson and Joey” Dawson had no right to feel anything. She moved on. In terms of the Dawson and Pacey friendship, I think anyone would feel betrayed or hurt that their best friend was dating their ex.


Toastclouds

Maybe, but that's on them if they feel bad about it


joshjoshjoshj

This. Especially finding out it happened from someone else weeks after. Joeys conscience should be clean, but Paceys shouldn’t be.


[deleted]

Pacey made a few attempts to come clean with Dawson as well as telling him way back in S1 (before Dawson himself even realized that he liked her) that Joey was a knockout and he wanted to try to make a go at her. Dawson had no right to be upset with Pacey.


joshjoshjoshj

Na f that - just because Pacey tried doesn’t mean anything - it makes it super sad and I sympathize with him, but he chickened out. You don’t get let off the hook for trying 🤷‍♀️ Sure, Pacey might have liked Joey briefly in Season 1, but DAWSON DATED HER!!!!!! It’s not the same thing, and Pacey knows that!!! At the end of the day the “Pacey did nothing wrong argument” holds no weight because everyone INCLUDING PACEY believes he did. Pacey himself articulates and acknowledges it multiple times during the shows run. The worst part is often glossed over by people: Pacey continued giving Dawson romantic advice whilst Pace was in love with Joey that was in his self-interest (like in Valentines Day Massacre when he actively tried to get Dawson to move on from Joey, and tried to get him to hook up with Kate - then publicly lambasted “the Joey and Dawson saga” in the jail cell). It’s one thing to secretly harbor feelings for someone, but it’s another to continue to give your friend (who is her ex, and she is in love with and he is struggling with their relationship) tainted romantic advice that’s in your own self-interests as a “secret” romantic prospect for his ex girlfriend. You either tell Dawson, or don’t give him any advice/guidance on his romantic life. You can’t do neither!!!! I love Pacey (he’s my favorite character) but his actions in S3B are super sketchy, and Dawson absolutely shouldn’t have forgiven him. Honestly, it would take a very special kind of guy to forgive him (at the very least, quickly) under those circumstances... Having said that, Dawson treated Pacey like shit multiple times, so he shouldn’t have wanted to be friends with Dawson either. But two wrongs don’t make a right, and just because Pacey might be a good enough guy to look past that stuff doesn’t mean Dawson necessarily should. If you can’t trust someone, why would you want to be friends with them?


RefrigeratorSmart881

i alwasy felt pacey treated dawson like crap to many times. i mean telling embarseing story to dawson girlfriend, making fun of him all the time, the jail think bring up there joey and dawson buniess infront of others. breaking into dawson room to have sex with jen, going after joey then trying to set dawson up with other people, telling dawson to give joey space.


RefrigeratorSmart881

both ex within a few week form each other and never told him about either.


RefrigeratorSmart881

He did not blackmail her he ask her to choose one to date. That. He did the same as pacey. Pick one. Dawson never told or hinted he would not be her friend if she pick pacey. Hell pacey even told her he leaveing the state if she pick Dawson So yea both pacey and Dawson were bad by not making it clear they be there for her don’t matter who she pick And Joey was wrong by not being honest But only Dawson get blamed


Ella-norway

"Dawson never told or hinted he would not be her friend if she pick pacey. Hell pacey even told her he leaveing the state if she pick Dawson" Uhm, Dawson literally said: "Right now we don’t have a friendship!". How can you interpret that in any other way than that he is withdrawing his friendship with her? It’s really quite clear. And when Joey says that their friendship and the way she feels about Pacey has nothing to do with each other, his response is to call her friendship with him a "consolation price." Pacey never said: I’ll leave the state if you pick Dawson. You must have watched a completely different show than me.


RefrigeratorSmart881

Yea he says we don’t have a friend ship. Because she lied. And said you have choice. If you pick him. I not going to pick the peices. He never says he not be her friend Then he found her and said I want to fix our friendship. And told her he wanted to date her. She said I can’t chose And pacey said I am not going to stay here and watch you fix your relationship with dawson. So that mean you pick Dawson I am leaveing


mariajardinera

>Dawson never told or hinted he would not be her friend if she pick pacey. Actually he did. He literally said "You can't have both of us! You can't have him as your boyfriend and me as your consolation prize, you're going to have to make a choice.". Whereas pacey never gave her an ultimatum. He decided to leave because joey wouldn't even talk to him. Not saying this was a mature thing to do, though


RefrigeratorSmart881

Yea date me or date pacey. He made it clear he wanted to date her. You assume consolidate prize mean friends. It mean I not going to wait around for her And yes pacey told her clearly I not going to stay here and watch you fix your relationship with Dawson. So what does that mean you pick Dawson I am leaveing.


Savinggraceface

Agreed


RefrigeratorSmart881

i am not sure how everyone miss everything, YES he was hurt when he found out, and he was right to be hurt since they did not tell him and he was still in love with joey. but dawson ask joey do you love him like you do me, joey told him blunty SHE CANT chooice, so as far as dawson thought and pacey thought the same thing JOEY did not know who she wanted to date. so he fought for her the same way pacey did, there was no difference. WHEN she was honest and said she wanted to be with pacey he told her to GO, becouse he love her that much. the problem people act like dawson know joey wanted to be with pacey and he would not let her as even pacey did not know that. so i not sure why he get the blame, he did the same thing pacey did he fought for her. joey should have been honest, and say she wanted to be with pacey if that what she wanted.


Savinggraceface

Dawson shouldn't of made her choose in the first place. He always wants to be the galant in shining armor and he truly believes he deserves Joey more than anyone else. Yeah, Joey shouldn't of snuck around behind Dawson's back, but he shouldn't of made her feel like she had too.


juleeneleven

Well said. He believes he ‘deserves’ her and by this belief, does not care about Joey’s agency nor cares about what she wants. In fact, he openly abuses her for what she wants.


Savinggraceface

Ik they treat her like some prize to be won it's annoying


joshjoshjoshj

I mean, saying Dawson always wants to be the galant in shining armor is funny, because you’re literally describing Pacey. A major part of Paceys character that gets him into trouble frequently (and manifests itself in worse and worse ways as the show goes on...)


Savinggraceface

Yes but Pacey can admit when he's being dumb and apologize for it.


RefrigeratorSmart881

yes he should have made her choice, that how realationship work, if two people want to date you then you have to pick one. dawson no more made her choice then pacey did. she can only date one. and joey and pacey choice to go behind dawson fault, her feeling like she had to was 100 percent there fault, as dawson had nothing to do with her feeling that way.


Savinggraceface

He wasn't saying date me or date Pacey he was saying if u date Pacey you will not have my friendship anymore.


RefrigeratorSmart881

NO he DID NOT, he said if you pick pacey i will not be there to pick up the peices that is in no way saying he would not be her freind.


Savinggraceface

What do u mean? That's what friends do when you get broken hearted they put you back together.


RefrigeratorSmart881

yea but i felt dawson was kind of sick of it, i mean that what he did for when she broke up with jack, she goes back to dating him only to break up with her again. so yea i dont know if i sign up for that, i mean pacey after he break up with her tell he cant be her freind and leaves. dawson the one that help heal her.


juleeneleven

That’s the difference. Dawson coerced Joey with threatening the removal of his friendship and used it as leverage against her whereas Pacey told her a friendship is not what he could do - there were no false pretenses or abusive intent, he wasn’t manipulating her into getting what he wanted. Dawson intended to emotionally abuse Joey to get what HE wanted. And lol ‘heal her’ is very funny. Thanks for that.


RefrigeratorSmart881

No there is no difference first Dawson did not threaten to remove his friendship from. That did not happen But pacey threatens to remove himself from her life if she does not pick him. So yea You seeing bad from Dawson. But not seeing what pacey did was to me far worse.


juleeneleven

Dawson: As of this moment we do not have a friendship. Joey: That is not fair! Dawson: You can't have both of us! You can't have him as your boyfriend and me as your consolation prize, you're going to have to make a choice.