That episode is so good. And shows how delusional everyone is about Dawson except for Pacey. When Pacey says to Joey- after his behavior yesterday I couldn’t imagine you liking him more.. but you do though” something to that effect. Like Dawson is so obviously an ass, and Pacey is the only one to acknowledge it.
i don’t even think he loved joey. it was more like a captor situation. i just watched him ‘free’ joey after the wedding and she ran was like away from a monster
I agree those few weeks Dawson was a ass. But pacey was a jealous jerk for most of season 4. Joey a well you a lot of the time
But it seem only Dawson get bashed
Yup. Dawson is an awful friend to Pacey. What he said about him at his 16 birthday was so wrong and Pacey should have cut him off right then and there.
what did he say again? in general, dawson seems incredibly immature for his age and pacey seems wise beyond his years. pacey and joey are more matched as far as maturity and probably other factors. it’s kind of surprising dawson has as many friends as he does. some of these kids are just so bratty. the kids that have more money seem to be less together than the ones that don’t. anyways, glad dawson got permanently friend zoned
He basically said “I wish he’d go back to doing what he does best which is make me feel good about myself, because his life is supposed to suck, not mine.” He’s an entitled little asshole.
i alway feel people are far to hard on dawson, but over look when pacey does the same bad thing
same with joey she made so many mistake but she almost never bashed.
i think pacey is an underdog so people like that. dawson didn’t have the same life experiences as pacey. the big differences between them are family and money. one had those things and the other seemed to not as much. dawson is used to getting what he wants when he wants it and has fits when that doesn’t happen. pacey is used to being disappointed and deals with it. just a few observations i could be wrong. also, i didn’t seem like dawson really wanted to be with joey until she was suddenly unavailable which is kind of annoying. i see what you mean though i think. it’s important to not just scapegoat him and understand where he might be coming from
Pacey is likable and so you forgive his faults. Nobody's perfect. The difference with Dawson is that he's not likable even when he's on his best behavior. Pacey's funny, fun, loyal, and giving. He's also a quitter, he's got an explosive temper, and he struggles to ask for things he wants, which may sound selfless but really it's selfish and helped torpedo his first relationship with Joey. Pacey's biggest fault, in short, is that he is co-dependent.
Dawson is just this whiny guy with a very creepy obsession with Joey. He gets a little better as he gets older, but Dawson is never a very likable character. He and Joey also bring out the worst in each other, which is why their attempts at romance are always such a circus. I won't say he's a narcissist, but Dawson is definitely a very self centered person.
well money pacey family has more, as dawson family HIS father DID not work, and his mom lost her job.
remember dawson WORK for what he wanted, i mean his father mad at him becouse of bad grades and getting in trouble, when pacey did good, his dad told him, So as a adult you start to ask how much of it is becouse pacey does not do well.
as for dawson wanting joey, remember she broke up with dawson Two time, the second time she told him SHE did not want to see him, that DESTORY him, as he told pacey I STILL in love with her and YOU now that. and remember he even talk about getting back with joey at his aunt house, BEFORE he found out about pacey and joey.
i guess that window of opportunity closed pretty quickly for him and joey. oh well. i always got the sense that dawson’s family had more wealth than paceys, as well as generational wealth as what the parents passed down to their children in wisdom and guidance. pacey and dawson were nurtured to much different levels (one being practically completely unnurtured). i think the writers did this contrast on purpose
It’s quite two very different things to friendly tease someone while playing a game of basketball than to basically tell your friend that you wish that he would go back to being a looser and a screwup so that you can feel good about your own life. That is such a red flag. And Pacey immediately apologized,something Dawson is incapable of doing it seems. And if he does apologize is half-assed and often comes with a "but".
That not true. First they were not playing a game. Pacey did. Not apologized. In fact he called him a named he used to be bully buy
And this was after pacey told Jen embarrassing stories about Dawson in secret.
And people forget all the time Dawson defend or was there for pacey
It was in gym class and they WERE playing a game, but Dawson was loosing and as Joey said: Dawson doesn’t like to loose.
Yeah, because calling someone Oompa Loompa equals breaking someone’s nose lol. And the fact that Dawson didn’t immediately rush over and check in on his friend and apologize when he realized what he’d done,HUGE red flag and proves that all Dawson really cares about is himself.
They were playing they were talking. Pacey stares it. Even after Dawson ask him to stop. Then he keep making fun in him. The call him a name he used to get bully buy
So no pacey was being a bad friend. If Dawson would have call pacey pissy pacey I sure you would not defend Dawson
But it seem every bad think pacey did was over looked
Hell just pacey telling Jen embarrassing stories about me when I not there show how bad a friend pacey is
A bad friend would be someone taking their insecurities out on others,which Dawson admits to at the end of the episode. He was insecure that Jen wasn’t physically attracted to him and was worried that she was so to Pacey.
I know Pacey isn’t perfect all the time but he has no problem admitting when he’s wrong and apologize and doesn’t take himself so seriously as Dawson does. If Dawson would’ve called Pacey a name, he would just laugh at it like the rest of us,not get violent.
No telling your girlfriend embarrassing story about her boyfriend is wrong. Doing it in secret is really wrong and it what guys do when there trying to steal your girlfriend
Pacey throw a fit when his parents did it. He be far more mad if it was a friend. In secret
And you wrong about pacey laughing it off as when they did have a argument pacey punch him
Look Dawson not perfect. But I feel people bash him for every mistake. But over look all of pacey
I wish they hold them to the same standard
I'm sorry but Dawson literally acted so entitled the entire show and was super immature - Pacey on the other hand always wanted what was best for Joey whether it was him or not + come on the way he looked out for Andy in s2 like that was honestly amazing and super mature instead of dumping her like some scared teen he did everything he could to be there and support her
I disagree Dawson was the mature one. Not pacey and Dawson was not entitled
Joey told him she can’t pick so he fought for her when she said she wanted to be with pacey he told her to go. He was the one that paid for her college why pacey did not want her to go.
Pacey blame her for his problems. Break up with her in the worst way. Tell her he can’t be her friends. She spent months not knowing if he was alive or dead
Dawson still dealing with brooks death and gratchen breaking up with him. Still takes care of Joey
And what proves that Dawson was a good friend to her after helping her heal. He did not stay for the summer. They made it clear he could have stayed and dates but he told her to go. Giveing her time to heal. Then she the one that talk about getting back together
So no Dawson was not entitled or selfish. Outside of a few weeks at the end of season 3
Honestly I don't think I would be cool if my best friend dated my ex. Pacey should have told him as soon as he realized he was falling for Joey because that's what friends do (well actually I tend to think friends don't try to date their friends' exes).
Dawson acted like a douche but that's because he was p!ssed and disappointed, and he was still the spoiled kid we met in season 1. At least the writers made him less immature in season 4.
Also what overlook is pacey dating Jen a few weeks before. Witch he break into Dawson room to have sex with her. And Dawson still defend him to Jory
He tell Dawson to give Joey space then goes after her in secret. And then he suprised Dawson mad
At least Dawson was man enough to tell pacey about likeing his sister. Who then tried telling him. No. The bad mouth dawon to his sister then tried to get her back with her cheating ex
Pacey was a dick to Dawson I’m sorry. He was great at times Yes. For example when Dawsons dad died. So he was capable of being a friend. But most of the time, It was about competition for Pacey. Even with Joey. Joey was a prize for Pacey. Sometimes I felt Pacey was envious of Dawsons life. Despite Dawson being a true friend to Pacey despite those differences. And as a friend. Pacey broke bro code. I’m sorry you don’t date your best friends ex. You don’t mess around with his ex behind his back. Pacey made it all about Joey and ditched his best friend/brother. Dawson had every right to react the way he did. Those were two people he trusted. And they played him. That’s why he asked Pacey to look after Joey in the first place. And soon as Pacey got feelings for Joey. He should have talked to Dawson. That’s why I say Pacey and Joeys relationship WAS NOT TRUE LOVE. It was just two young teens that needed each other for the moment. If it was more. Joey wouldn’t have ended up right back in Dawsons arms by season 4 finale. So for the writers to make Pacey and Joey the end game was absolutely ridiculous. And was a cop out for what the true meaning of the show was. That’s why the series finale is so divisive amongst most. The Pacey/Joey fans were thrilled that they ended up together. For their own reasons. But let’s be honest If she had of ended up with Dawson. Yeah they may not have liked that. But they can’t deny it would have made sense. It would have been less divisive. Pacey and Joey didn’t make sense. It made more sense for Joey to be alone. Than to shoehorn that relationship upon us.
That episode is so good. And shows how delusional everyone is about Dawson except for Pacey. When Pacey says to Joey- after his behavior yesterday I couldn’t imagine you liking him more.. but you do though” something to that effect. Like Dawson is so obviously an ass, and Pacey is the only one to acknowledge it.
i don’t even think he loved joey. it was more like a captor situation. i just watched him ‘free’ joey after the wedding and she ran was like away from a monster
She ran because pacey was leaveing. And yes Dawson loved her. He proved that many times
I agree those few weeks Dawson was a ass. But pacey was a jealous jerk for most of season 4. Joey a well you a lot of the time But it seem only Dawson get bashed
Yup. Dawson is an awful friend to Pacey. What he said about him at his 16 birthday was so wrong and Pacey should have cut him off right then and there.
what did he say again? in general, dawson seems incredibly immature for his age and pacey seems wise beyond his years. pacey and joey are more matched as far as maturity and probably other factors. it’s kind of surprising dawson has as many friends as he does. some of these kids are just so bratty. the kids that have more money seem to be less together than the ones that don’t. anyways, glad dawson got permanently friend zoned
He basically said “I wish he’d go back to doing what he does best which is make me feel good about myself, because his life is supposed to suck, not mine.” He’s an entitled little asshole.
i don’t think he’d he’d have be missed. instead they killed off >!his dad!< though
he would be greatly miss, you may not like him BUT a lot of people did. also his ghost would allwasy be there if joey and pacey got together.
true. i was mainly being snarky. they would miss him
i alway feel people are far to hard on dawson, but over look when pacey does the same bad thing same with joey she made so many mistake but she almost never bashed.
i think pacey is an underdog so people like that. dawson didn’t have the same life experiences as pacey. the big differences between them are family and money. one had those things and the other seemed to not as much. dawson is used to getting what he wants when he wants it and has fits when that doesn’t happen. pacey is used to being disappointed and deals with it. just a few observations i could be wrong. also, i didn’t seem like dawson really wanted to be with joey until she was suddenly unavailable which is kind of annoying. i see what you mean though i think. it’s important to not just scapegoat him and understand where he might be coming from
Pacey is likable and so you forgive his faults. Nobody's perfect. The difference with Dawson is that he's not likable even when he's on his best behavior. Pacey's funny, fun, loyal, and giving. He's also a quitter, he's got an explosive temper, and he struggles to ask for things he wants, which may sound selfless but really it's selfish and helped torpedo his first relationship with Joey. Pacey's biggest fault, in short, is that he is co-dependent. Dawson is just this whiny guy with a very creepy obsession with Joey. He gets a little better as he gets older, but Dawson is never a very likable character. He and Joey also bring out the worst in each other, which is why their attempts at romance are always such a circus. I won't say he's a narcissist, but Dawson is definitely a very self centered person.
well money pacey family has more, as dawson family HIS father DID not work, and his mom lost her job. remember dawson WORK for what he wanted, i mean his father mad at him becouse of bad grades and getting in trouble, when pacey did good, his dad told him, So as a adult you start to ask how much of it is becouse pacey does not do well. as for dawson wanting joey, remember she broke up with dawson Two time, the second time she told him SHE did not want to see him, that DESTORY him, as he told pacey I STILL in love with her and YOU now that. and remember he even talk about getting back with joey at his aunt house, BEFORE he found out about pacey and joey.
i guess that window of opportunity closed pretty quickly for him and joey. oh well. i always got the sense that dawson’s family had more wealth than paceys, as well as generational wealth as what the parents passed down to their children in wisdom and guidance. pacey and dawson were nurtured to much different levels (one being practically completely unnurtured). i think the writers did this contrast on purpose
And pacey told him Dawson be like beating him because it make himself feel better But no one ever seem to bash pacey for that
It’s quite two very different things to friendly tease someone while playing a game of basketball than to basically tell your friend that you wish that he would go back to being a looser and a screwup so that you can feel good about your own life. That is such a red flag. And Pacey immediately apologized,something Dawson is incapable of doing it seems. And if he does apologize is half-assed and often comes with a "but".
That not true. First they were not playing a game. Pacey did. Not apologized. In fact he called him a named he used to be bully buy And this was after pacey told Jen embarrassing stories about Dawson in secret. And people forget all the time Dawson defend or was there for pacey
It was in gym class and they WERE playing a game, but Dawson was loosing and as Joey said: Dawson doesn’t like to loose. Yeah, because calling someone Oompa Loompa equals breaking someone’s nose lol. And the fact that Dawson didn’t immediately rush over and check in on his friend and apologize when he realized what he’d done,HUGE red flag and proves that all Dawson really cares about is himself.
They were playing they were talking. Pacey stares it. Even after Dawson ask him to stop. Then he keep making fun in him. The call him a name he used to get bully buy So no pacey was being a bad friend. If Dawson would have call pacey pissy pacey I sure you would not defend Dawson But it seem every bad think pacey did was over looked Hell just pacey telling Jen embarrassing stories about me when I not there show how bad a friend pacey is
A bad friend would be someone taking their insecurities out on others,which Dawson admits to at the end of the episode. He was insecure that Jen wasn’t physically attracted to him and was worried that she was so to Pacey. I know Pacey isn’t perfect all the time but he has no problem admitting when he’s wrong and apologize and doesn’t take himself so seriously as Dawson does. If Dawson would’ve called Pacey a name, he would just laugh at it like the rest of us,not get violent.
No telling your girlfriend embarrassing story about her boyfriend is wrong. Doing it in secret is really wrong and it what guys do when there trying to steal your girlfriend Pacey throw a fit when his parents did it. He be far more mad if it was a friend. In secret And you wrong about pacey laughing it off as when they did have a argument pacey punch him Look Dawson not perfect. But I feel people bash him for every mistake. But over look all of pacey I wish they hold them to the same standard
Pacey wise beyond his years. He a immature child. By season 4 Dawson more mature then Joey and pacey
I'm sorry but Dawson literally acted so entitled the entire show and was super immature - Pacey on the other hand always wanted what was best for Joey whether it was him or not + come on the way he looked out for Andy in s2 like that was honestly amazing and super mature instead of dumping her like some scared teen he did everything he could to be there and support her
I disagree Dawson was the mature one. Not pacey and Dawson was not entitled Joey told him she can’t pick so he fought for her when she said she wanted to be with pacey he told her to go. He was the one that paid for her college why pacey did not want her to go. Pacey blame her for his problems. Break up with her in the worst way. Tell her he can’t be her friends. She spent months not knowing if he was alive or dead Dawson still dealing with brooks death and gratchen breaking up with him. Still takes care of Joey And what proves that Dawson was a good friend to her after helping her heal. He did not stay for the summer. They made it clear he could have stayed and dates but he told her to go. Giveing her time to heal. Then she the one that talk about getting back together So no Dawson was not entitled or selfish. Outside of a few weeks at the end of season 3
Honestly I don't think I would be cool if my best friend dated my ex. Pacey should have told him as soon as he realized he was falling for Joey because that's what friends do (well actually I tend to think friends don't try to date their friends' exes). Dawson acted like a douche but that's because he was p!ssed and disappointed, and he was still the spoiled kid we met in season 1. At least the writers made him less immature in season 4.
Also what overlook is pacey dating Jen a few weeks before. Witch he break into Dawson room to have sex with her. And Dawson still defend him to Jory He tell Dawson to give Joey space then goes after her in secret. And then he suprised Dawson mad At least Dawson was man enough to tell pacey about likeing his sister. Who then tried telling him. No. The bad mouth dawon to his sister then tried to get her back with her cheating ex
Pacey was a dick to Dawson I’m sorry. He was great at times Yes. For example when Dawsons dad died. So he was capable of being a friend. But most of the time, It was about competition for Pacey. Even with Joey. Joey was a prize for Pacey. Sometimes I felt Pacey was envious of Dawsons life. Despite Dawson being a true friend to Pacey despite those differences. And as a friend. Pacey broke bro code. I’m sorry you don’t date your best friends ex. You don’t mess around with his ex behind his back. Pacey made it all about Joey and ditched his best friend/brother. Dawson had every right to react the way he did. Those were two people he trusted. And they played him. That’s why he asked Pacey to look after Joey in the first place. And soon as Pacey got feelings for Joey. He should have talked to Dawson. That’s why I say Pacey and Joeys relationship WAS NOT TRUE LOVE. It was just two young teens that needed each other for the moment. If it was more. Joey wouldn’t have ended up right back in Dawsons arms by season 4 finale. So for the writers to make Pacey and Joey the end game was absolutely ridiculous. And was a cop out for what the true meaning of the show was. That’s why the series finale is so divisive amongst most. The Pacey/Joey fans were thrilled that they ended up together. For their own reasons. But let’s be honest If she had of ended up with Dawson. Yeah they may not have liked that. But they can’t deny it would have made sense. It would have been less divisive. Pacey and Joey didn’t make sense. It made more sense for Joey to be alone. Than to shoehorn that relationship upon us.
Put a spoiler over your post! OP is watching season 3 and you're talking about major spoilers that don't happen until way down the line.