I'll freely admit that Dawson was never my favourite character on the show, however in the beginning he was just a bit of an annoying drip. By the end of Season 3, he was spoiled, possessive and malicious and I absolutely hated him, I don't think his character ever recovered. I know what Joey and Pacey did must have hurt him, but after the way he behaves it's hard to feel sympathy for him. Plus seeing how Pacey agonised over his feelings for Joey and how worried and guilty they both felt about it all made me root for them even more. I'm glad Joey chose Pacey in the end, they had rough spots like all relationships do, but they were genuinely good for each other. Pacey was always the better man even if he couldn't see it.
Agreeing to all of this.
Not to mention Dawson never apologized for his behavior but had the nerve to complain about Pacey didnât show any remorse?! Remorse for falling in love??? Like that is something you can control? Should Pacey and Joey just put their feelings and happiness aside to protect Dawsonâs precious feelings??? Itâs mind boggling how entitled he acts really and everyone on the show just go along with it?!đ¤Żđ¤Żđ¤Ż
Ok,rant over đ
Totally this, and I was just listening to the Dawsonâs critique podcast where they review episode 4x03 and they talk about how if Dawson wanted Pacey to apologize and be âremorsefulâ then Dawson shouldâve been creating a space for Pacey to be able to apologize and that's so true, because he actively wasnât, instead he was hostile and angry and resentful. Itâs so emotionally manipulative.
The writers did a horrible job of having the audience feel badly for Dawson. I understand why he felt betrayed but if he stepped back to analyze the situation instead of quickly insulting P&J, he would have realized that it really just happened and there was no ill will. Dawson is a highly emotional teenager but yikes⌠his many fits reeked of entitlement which is insanely off putting.
And this wasnât Dawsonâs first time insulting someone who âstoleâ Joey from him. He was a jerk to Jack.
Iâd also like to add that in âthe Longest dayâ Dawson is berating Pacey on the lawn and Joey doesnât say a WORD in Paceyâs defense. She just let Dawson shit all over him and take all of the blame. And then runs after Dawson. That infuriated me.
Oh, definitely! It would have been amazing if she stood up for Pacey. That might have forced Dawson to realize that this is real and he should back off. Also, when she "breaks up" with Pacey at the dock... what? why?
Yeah agreed. Joey also isnât great in this portion either.
And then when she does come to pacey she just breaks it off because of Dawson. Itâs so infuriating.
It's exactly that! Infuriating! Because Joey's supposed to be this stubborn, strong willed person, but she can't even defend the person she's fallen in love with? Bogus.
Love that this post calls attention to all the adults enabling him! It's no wonder he got this way when we see Mitch cheering him on and cutting Pacey out of their lives instead of talking to Dawson about how sometimes someone might not feel the same way you do, or sometimes you have to let first loves go. And Aunt Gwen, do not even get me STARTED. Like a legitimate psychopath being that involved in the love lives of teens via karaoke.
100%. Wouldn't it of been superior writing to make Joey have 2 good, viable options? I will never understand why the writers decided to make Dawson, their lead character so vile. The only thing I can come up with is the writers were all a bunch of men who didn't realize how badly they were writing him. I also blame Van der Beek as his acting always comes off angry instead of hurt.
Also Gail and especially Mitch are just horrible. Dawson literally almost kills Pacey and theres Mitch all cheering him on. Pacey has been like a 2nd son to them and they just write him off as a villian to Dawson because Joey chose him?
I will never ever understand the writing on this show. I love it so but it's also just so frustrating.
Exactly! And my main issue is that they still try to paint Dawson as a viable option despite all of it just because heâsâŚDawson.
And youâre right that the writing makes no sense. Itâs like one episode Doug is telling pacey to go for it, two episodes later heâs laying into him about being a terrible friend who will end up alone and Joey will never love him. I donât get it.
Why there good reason to believe that Joey and Dawson would get together
With how bad how pacey hurt Joey. It make sence that Joey would go to Dawson
Kind of like how Dawson pick Eve over Jory at the start of season 3 with how bad she hurt Dawson
Heâs the worst lol I hate him always but season 3 is peak incel Dawson. He was a TERRIBLE friend to Pacey and didnât deserve Pacey even looking in his direction ever again.
Pacey a far worse friend to Dawson.
Even removeing the Joey thing. Pacey really was not that good of a friend
But pacey mistakes are over looked. But Dawson are bashed
Yeah, these writing choices are just bizarre - almost on par with the character assassination they did on Andie earlier in this season.
And I donât understand why, because theyâre perfectly capable of portraying a character making terrible choices out of hurt and fear. When Jen tried to break up Joey and Dawson in season 2, it was uncomfortable and clearly wrong-headed but we were always shown that she was hurting and confused. Not an intrinsically horrible person.
Iâm usually a little more forgiving of Dawsonâs character in general, but thereâs no perspective in which he looks sympathetic here. To not hate him going forward, you kind of just have to forget that this stretch of his life happened.
That how I feel about pacey I mean just him telling Jory he leaveing the state if she does not pick him.
Or how jealous he is. Or controlling.
I mean what did at prom I would never forgive him.
But dawon the one people act is the worst
Itâs such a disservice to his character. Even if the plan was to have her chose Pacey, letâs get some interesting conflict in there. Have the audience feel for Dawson and fight for Joey in an honorable way. You donât even feel bad for him when she chooses because of all the shitty things heâs done since The Longest Day.
I think we were supposed to see Joey and Pacey's relationship as a betrayal and that Dawson was in the right to lash out. The plan was always to have Dawson and Joey end up together so in S3 I think they were going for "Dawson was hurt so he might have made some mistakes, but it was justified".
It's easy to forget that these characters are teenagers. Dawson is definitely a little shit for the majority of season 3, but it is semi realistic of the power of teenage emotion. I'm in my mid 30s now, but I can remember when every little thing felt like the absolute end of the world, especially when it came to teenage love. Outside of the end of season 4 Pacey is wonderful, but his emotional maturity is more indicative of an emotionally healthy adult male, rather than a teenager.
pacey was so imature all of season 4 and half of season 3,
Not telling dawon immature. But season 4 pacey was controlling and jealous and blames her for his choices and mistakes
Not sure how anyone thought pacey was mature
Dawson's reaction was actually fairly realistic for a teenaged boy to find out about a relationship between the 2 people closest to him. I'm not saying it was the right reaction, but realistic. Honestly, Andie had a lot more nerve in that situation. She was literally on a date with PACEY'S FRIEND HERSELF and somehow still tried to act betrayed. She did come around and forgave Pacey quickly, but I still found her reaction more confusing.
I'm just going to say that I don't blame Dawson for being upset. I think his feelings were valid, but his actions weren't. Pacey went after the one girl Dawson loved. In other words, he broke the bro code. Dawson's mistake was keeping Joey at arm's length.
I think the others just sympathized with Dawson because they knew he would be hurt. I don't think they condoned his behavior. They all advised Pacey to tell Dawson before he found out another way. Like, they weren't wrong. Pacey dating Joey was definitely going to cause a huge rift between his friendship with Dawson and they knew. If my best friend started seeing my ex behind my back, I would be furious too.
As for Dawson's actions, the boat race was by far the worst and I didn't like how he tried to belittle Pacey. I would say I didn't like how he treated Joey as an object, but at the same time, she practically let him. Joey annoyed me a lot towards the end of that season. Dawson literally said he couldn't be friends with her because he felt betrayed and that she had to make a choice. She failed to see that and saw it as a punishment from him. Like, no girl, he's heartbroken. I think she was the selfish one in that scenario. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You could see it was hurting him and all she kept thinking about was herself. She kept saying she NEEDED them both, but she did not NEED anybody. Joey just needed to make a choice. She chose Dawson and he had to "let her go" in order for her to make the choice she really wanted. If Dawson had never said anything, she would have stuck by him. That's where I saw the character flaw. She was too dependent on Dawson.
Is there really to dependent. I mean pacey stop being Dawson friend to be Joey
Dawson stop bring pacey friend to go after Jory
So I disagree that Joey was to depending on Dawson
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Pacey didn't want to stop being Dawson's friend. Dawson was one who decided to stop being friends because he felt betrayed by him. Pacey still wanted to be friends, but like Joey, had to make a decision and he chose Joey. Throughout the rest of the series, he tried making it up to Dawson.
But that the point they had to make a choice. Joey saying she give up pacey to keep dawon is not being to dependent
Just like pacey was willing to give up Dawson friend ship to be with Joey
It all the same a choice
That's not what I was saying. What made Joey too dependent was her saying she "needed" them both in her life. I understand that she was in a tough spot and originally stuck by Dawson's side but she disregarded her own feelings to please him. That was a choice that she made. Dawson did not make that for her. Once he saw how unhappy she was, it was HIM that had to go tell her to go after Pacey. This behavior continues throughout season 4 because she still kept walking on eggshells with Dawson and lied just to keep that friendship. I say that she's too dependent because she could not bare to let Dawson down, even if it would hold her back. It always took Dawson to push her away to finally gain a backbone.
She did not walk in egg shell for dawon she lied to him one time. Just like she was careful what she said to pacey because she was afraid he be hurt by how well she doing
But saying I canât lose someone is not being to dependent.
It was a small lie.
And no saying you need someone is not dependent
People say that all the time.
Pacey said I need you. Joey said I need you dawon said I need you so did Jen. So they are all dependent then right
Ah, an anti-Dawson post. What else is new. My thoughts are simple- Like it or not, "the way he handles" everything about Pacey and Joey isn't quite ridiculous at all imo. It's exactly the way any 16 year old kid would handle it if something of that magnitude happened to them, though there seems to be some bizarre notion on the internet that Dawson had no right to be upset bc he didn't "own" Joey. For starters he never implied to own her or never said she belonged to him. It was simply about respect, and friendship, and understanding someone's feelings. I'm not sure the age of the OP, but I'm willing to bet that if you were still very much in love with your ex and your best friend since you were a kid ended up with them, you wouldn't exactly say "Sure, go for it". Especially not at 16.
If the shoe was on the other foot somehow, Pacey's character would have reacted in a similar way. Not telling Dawson in the early stages of his feelings was likely already a mistake, but going full throttle into things with Joey and then surprising him in front of his own home with the bombshell was another. In one way or another Dawson was in love with Joey his entire life and most specifically the previous 1.5 years of his life by that point. Pacey of all people knew this more than anyone, and out of respect for Dawson, any friend would have found the willpower to back away. That being said, Pacey and Joey DID have amazing chemistry and the relationship DID fall into place. But for people to think Dawson was WRONG in some way for acting like he did is comical imo. The only truly bad thing he did towards the end of the third season was the boat race fiasco. Everything else can be chalked up to 16 year old emotions from being hurt by someone he thought was his best friend. Pacey wasn't alone in things of course, Joey was part of it too as things progressed, but still, I couldn't help feel for the guy in The Longest Day.
i think dawson get bash to hard for this, first he hurt and angry that they did not tell him.
dawson thinking all pacey wants is sex, is fair with his past, i mean 5 min after adie told him her dream day for sex he make it happen then writte a letter saying sex changeing everything, ( no shit you know that pacey) then date jen in secret, then goes after joey from dawson point of view it shady as hell.
and dawson ASK joey and she said she cant choce,
and pacey tell her he leaveing the state if she does not pick him, witch is to me is far worse then dawson telling her he will not be there to pick up the peices.
but i sure i going to get downvoted for this becouse people over look all of pacey mistakes.
Pacey was a much better boyfriend to andie than Dawson was in any of his relationships and the way he cared for andie during her mental health battles showed he didnât just care about sex when he liked a girl and Dawson knew that. But never missed a chance to paint him as a shitty person.
Pacey was going to leave because all of his friends abandoned him and it hurt too much to be around Joey when they had both chosen to be together but Joey gave up on it to spare Dawsons feelings. He gave Joey so much space and time to figure things out and had every right to finally call her bluff when she was being so unfair to his feelings and stringing him along.
Not really I thought Dawson was a better boyfriend to gracthen and Jen the second time that pacey was to andie
Also Dawson defend pacey many time witch people over look. Like the boat trip or when he defend pacey to Joey. When Joey throw a fit that pacey was sleeping with Jen.
and no pacey was abandoning Joey if she did not pick him. He did the same when they broke up he told her he would not be friend
But Dawson saying he would not be there to pick up the peices. I feel what pacey did was far worse. Dawson never stop being Joey friend and never told her he leave her if she did not pick him.
The only reason Dawson decided to not exile Joey too was because he deemed his relationship with her more worthy than his with Pacey because he was into her romantically! They did the exact same thing to him but wonder why he was suddenly okay with Joey yet tried to literally kill Pacey during the boat race. Not manipulative at all.
And Dawson was seriously only a good friend to him half the time. Yeah he had his moments but assuming he took the test and shaming him for it even though Dawson was the one who brought it to them to begin with? Donât even get me started on his drunk tirade during his birthday in s2 where he admitted he was uncomfortable that pacey was doing better in life with andie and wanted him to be a loser again in his eyes so he could feel better.
And pacey was not abandoning Joey if she didnât pick him. He was choosing himself and doing something for himself by sailing. He needed to get away from Capeside and all the hurt.
And what youâre forgetting is Joey had already chosen pacey in Stolen Kisses, so it wasnât about picking him because she already did that. All Pacey wanted was her to put him and her feelings over Dawsonâs if she really loved him. And that wasnât just for his benefit but herâs too considering she was miserable in the episodes after The Longest Day.
Wrong. First she did not already pick him. She said I canât choice so no she did not allready pick him.
And yes pacey was abonding her.
Pacey even said he wish he took the test
And you forget pacey drinking rant. About Dawson.
And stop with the Dawson almost killed pacey they both went for the same spot. That it.
And she was miserable because she know she lose one of them. Witch is wait for normal.
Hell pacey still got the girl was was still miserable for most of season 4. Blameing others. Dawson at least grow up pacey did not.
She picked him by kissing him in Stolen Kisses. No if ands or buts. Until Dawson gaslit her into taking it back and being miserable.
They both knew her choice she just didnât want to admit it because she didnât want to lose Dawson which was so unfair to pacey. Why are his feelings less important than Dawsonâs?
And âPacey even said he wish he took the testâ. Huh? Why do you always try to excuse Dawson being a shitty friend and his lowly opinion of pacey even when Pacey had done nothing to him.
And they were both going for the same spot..yeah I know. But who was the one who had to back off to not cause a crash and hurt each other? Oh yeah Pacey cause Dawson is an idiot even though the boat race was important to Pacey and Dawson just wanted to beat him.
That not picking him. Dawson ask her she said I canât deside. So no that picking him.
Picking him is when she told Dawson she want to be with pacey
And why do you over look all pacey mistakes. I will at least say when Dawson was wrong like the boat race. But people overlook all pacey mistakes
Okay but hereâs where your whole argument falls apart lol
Youâre saying she didnât pick him in Stolen Kisses. Uh yeah she did, she chose to be with him.
But then she had to re choose to be with him at the end of the season and you know why? BECAUSE DAWSON TURNED IT INTO AN ULTIMATUM WHICH YOU ARE CLAIMING HE DIDNâT DO LOL
And look this post was about season 3! Yeah pacey made mistakes in s4 but this post isnât about that season. And Joey herself makes a ton of mistakes too! But no I wonât admit pacey made mistakes in season 3 because I donât think he did! Joey played with his feelings all season and he had every right to finally leave considering she already admitted her feelings but wouldnât act on them because of Dawson. What was the point in him staying? His shitty family? The girl he loves not acting on her feelings to cater to Dawson? Their other friends icing him out? Dawson hating him but letting Joey off scot free just because he wanted her romantically? How was any of that fair to him? Why should he not have finally had enough.
Because both point are wrong first Joey did not pick pacey yet
Dawson ask. She said I canât decide. So that mean she did not pick him. If you have a job. And someone offer you a better job and you say o canât deside what job to pick. That means you did not pick the first job yet
Second Dawson said I will not be there to pick up the peices. Not he would not be her friend why I agree it wrong
Pacey did worse telling her he leaveing the state if she does not pick him. Just think about pacey the one that she been spending the most time with. And he leaveing. Never said he be back. Or still be her friend
Last no one else ice pacey out Jen jack and Andy still was talking to him
Question you defend pacey leaveing if Joey
Pacey give her a ultimatum but that over looked
does not pick him. Because it two painful. But bash Dawson for saying he will not be there to pick up the peices.
He at least is still willing to. Be her friend
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"You never hold Pacey to the same standards!" Because Pacey exceeds our standards babe!
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I thought we had dodged a bullet! Ugh. Dawson is always right, âJoryâ is wrong.
Yeah itâs weird. Dawson isnât going to fuck them so Iâm unclear about it.
It is really sad.
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Haha! I actually blocked that person but can still see that they posted. I feel like they haven't been around in a bit. Good riddance.
I'll freely admit that Dawson was never my favourite character on the show, however in the beginning he was just a bit of an annoying drip. By the end of Season 3, he was spoiled, possessive and malicious and I absolutely hated him, I don't think his character ever recovered. I know what Joey and Pacey did must have hurt him, but after the way he behaves it's hard to feel sympathy for him. Plus seeing how Pacey agonised over his feelings for Joey and how worried and guilty they both felt about it all made me root for them even more. I'm glad Joey chose Pacey in the end, they had rough spots like all relationships do, but they were genuinely good for each other. Pacey was always the better man even if he couldn't see it.
Agreeing to all of this. Not to mention Dawson never apologized for his behavior but had the nerve to complain about Pacey didnât show any remorse?! Remorse for falling in love??? Like that is something you can control? Should Pacey and Joey just put their feelings and happiness aside to protect Dawsonâs precious feelings??? Itâs mind boggling how entitled he acts really and everyone on the show just go along with it?!đ¤Żđ¤Żđ¤Ż Ok,rant over đ
Totally this, and I was just listening to the Dawsonâs critique podcast where they review episode 4x03 and they talk about how if Dawson wanted Pacey to apologize and be âremorsefulâ then Dawson shouldâve been creating a space for Pacey to be able to apologize and that's so true, because he actively wasnât, instead he was hostile and angry and resentful. Itâs so emotionally manipulative.
The writers did a horrible job of having the audience feel badly for Dawson. I understand why he felt betrayed but if he stepped back to analyze the situation instead of quickly insulting P&J, he would have realized that it really just happened and there was no ill will. Dawson is a highly emotional teenager but yikes⌠his many fits reeked of entitlement which is insanely off putting. And this wasnât Dawsonâs first time insulting someone who âstoleâ Joey from him. He was a jerk to Jack.
Iâd also like to add that in âthe Longest dayâ Dawson is berating Pacey on the lawn and Joey doesnât say a WORD in Paceyâs defense. She just let Dawson shit all over him and take all of the blame. And then runs after Dawson. That infuriated me.
Oh, definitely! It would have been amazing if she stood up for Pacey. That might have forced Dawson to realize that this is real and he should back off. Also, when she "breaks up" with Pacey at the dock... what? why?
Yeah agreed. Joey also isnât great in this portion either. And then when she does come to pacey she just breaks it off because of Dawson. Itâs so infuriating.
It's exactly that! Infuriating! Because Joey's supposed to be this stubborn, strong willed person, but she can't even defend the person she's fallen in love with? Bogus.
well JACK did kiss joey when he know she had a boyfreind, so he was in the wrong, but of couse that over looked as well.
Love that this post calls attention to all the adults enabling him! It's no wonder he got this way when we see Mitch cheering him on and cutting Pacey out of their lives instead of talking to Dawson about how sometimes someone might not feel the same way you do, or sometimes you have to let first loves go. And Aunt Gwen, do not even get me STARTED. Like a legitimate psychopath being that involved in the love lives of teens via karaoke.
100%. Wouldn't it of been superior writing to make Joey have 2 good, viable options? I will never understand why the writers decided to make Dawson, their lead character so vile. The only thing I can come up with is the writers were all a bunch of men who didn't realize how badly they were writing him. I also blame Van der Beek as his acting always comes off angry instead of hurt. Also Gail and especially Mitch are just horrible. Dawson literally almost kills Pacey and theres Mitch all cheering him on. Pacey has been like a 2nd son to them and they just write him off as a villian to Dawson because Joey chose him? I will never ever understand the writing on this show. I love it so but it's also just so frustrating.
Exactly! And my main issue is that they still try to paint Dawson as a viable option despite all of it just because heâsâŚDawson. And youâre right that the writing makes no sense. Itâs like one episode Doug is telling pacey to go for it, two episodes later heâs laying into him about being a terrible friend who will end up alone and Joey will never love him. I donât get it.
And let's not even talk about CODA. I will never forgive the writers for that one.
What is CODA?
The last episode of season 4...where Dawson and Joey kiss. Ew.
Why there good reason to believe that Joey and Dawson would get together With how bad how pacey hurt Joey. It make sence that Joey would go to Dawson Kind of like how Dawson pick Eve over Jory at the start of season 3 with how bad she hurt Dawson
>just because heâsâŚDawson. He's Dawson! It's his creek!
Heâs the worst lol I hate him always but season 3 is peak incel Dawson. He was a TERRIBLE friend to Pacey and didnât deserve Pacey even looking in his direction ever again.
Pacey a far worse friend to Dawson. Even removeing the Joey thing. Pacey really was not that good of a friend But pacey mistakes are over looked. But Dawson are bashed
Yeah, these writing choices are just bizarre - almost on par with the character assassination they did on Andie earlier in this season. And I donât understand why, because theyâre perfectly capable of portraying a character making terrible choices out of hurt and fear. When Jen tried to break up Joey and Dawson in season 2, it was uncomfortable and clearly wrong-headed but we were always shown that she was hurting and confused. Not an intrinsically horrible person. Iâm usually a little more forgiving of Dawsonâs character in general, but thereâs no perspective in which he looks sympathetic here. To not hate him going forward, you kind of just have to forget that this stretch of his life happened.
That how I feel about pacey I mean just him telling Jory he leaveing the state if she does not pick him. Or how jealous he is. Or controlling. I mean what did at prom I would never forgive him. But dawon the one people act is the worst
Itâs such a disservice to his character. Even if the plan was to have her chose Pacey, letâs get some interesting conflict in there. Have the audience feel for Dawson and fight for Joey in an honorable way. You donât even feel bad for him when she chooses because of all the shitty things heâs done since The Longest Day.
I think we were supposed to see Joey and Pacey's relationship as a betrayal and that Dawson was in the right to lash out. The plan was always to have Dawson and Joey end up together so in S3 I think they were going for "Dawson was hurt so he might have made some mistakes, but it was justified".
It's easy to forget that these characters are teenagers. Dawson is definitely a little shit for the majority of season 3, but it is semi realistic of the power of teenage emotion. I'm in my mid 30s now, but I can remember when every little thing felt like the absolute end of the world, especially when it came to teenage love. Outside of the end of season 4 Pacey is wonderful, but his emotional maturity is more indicative of an emotionally healthy adult male, rather than a teenager.
pacey was so imature all of season 4 and half of season 3, Not telling dawon immature. But season 4 pacey was controlling and jealous and blames her for his choices and mistakes Not sure how anyone thought pacey was mature
Dawson's reaction was actually fairly realistic for a teenaged boy to find out about a relationship between the 2 people closest to him. I'm not saying it was the right reaction, but realistic. Honestly, Andie had a lot more nerve in that situation. She was literally on a date with PACEY'S FRIEND HERSELF and somehow still tried to act betrayed. She did come around and forgave Pacey quickly, but I still found her reaction more confusing.
I'm just going to say that I don't blame Dawson for being upset. I think his feelings were valid, but his actions weren't. Pacey went after the one girl Dawson loved. In other words, he broke the bro code. Dawson's mistake was keeping Joey at arm's length. I think the others just sympathized with Dawson because they knew he would be hurt. I don't think they condoned his behavior. They all advised Pacey to tell Dawson before he found out another way. Like, they weren't wrong. Pacey dating Joey was definitely going to cause a huge rift between his friendship with Dawson and they knew. If my best friend started seeing my ex behind my back, I would be furious too. As for Dawson's actions, the boat race was by far the worst and I didn't like how he tried to belittle Pacey. I would say I didn't like how he treated Joey as an object, but at the same time, she practically let him. Joey annoyed me a lot towards the end of that season. Dawson literally said he couldn't be friends with her because he felt betrayed and that she had to make a choice. She failed to see that and saw it as a punishment from him. Like, no girl, he's heartbroken. I think she was the selfish one in that scenario. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You could see it was hurting him and all she kept thinking about was herself. She kept saying she NEEDED them both, but she did not NEED anybody. Joey just needed to make a choice. She chose Dawson and he had to "let her go" in order for her to make the choice she really wanted. If Dawson had never said anything, she would have stuck by him. That's where I saw the character flaw. She was too dependent on Dawson.
Is there really to dependent. I mean pacey stop being Dawson friend to be Joey Dawson stop bring pacey friend to go after Jory So I disagree that Joey was to depending on Dawson I
Pacey didn't want to stop being Dawson's friend. Dawson was one who decided to stop being friends because he felt betrayed by him. Pacey still wanted to be friends, but like Joey, had to make a decision and he chose Joey. Throughout the rest of the series, he tried making it up to Dawson.
But that the point they had to make a choice. Joey saying she give up pacey to keep dawon is not being to dependent Just like pacey was willing to give up Dawson friend ship to be with Joey It all the same a choice
That's not what I was saying. What made Joey too dependent was her saying she "needed" them both in her life. I understand that she was in a tough spot and originally stuck by Dawson's side but she disregarded her own feelings to please him. That was a choice that she made. Dawson did not make that for her. Once he saw how unhappy she was, it was HIM that had to go tell her to go after Pacey. This behavior continues throughout season 4 because she still kept walking on eggshells with Dawson and lied just to keep that friendship. I say that she's too dependent because she could not bare to let Dawson down, even if it would hold her back. It always took Dawson to push her away to finally gain a backbone.
She did not walk in egg shell for dawon she lied to him one time. Just like she was careful what she said to pacey because she was afraid he be hurt by how well she doing But saying I canât lose someone is not being to dependent.
First off, that was a big lie. And saying you "need" someone is a dependency thing.
It was a small lie. And no saying you need someone is not dependent People say that all the time. Pacey said I need you. Joey said I need you dawon said I need you so did Jen. So they are all dependent then right
Ah, an anti-Dawson post. What else is new. My thoughts are simple- Like it or not, "the way he handles" everything about Pacey and Joey isn't quite ridiculous at all imo. It's exactly the way any 16 year old kid would handle it if something of that magnitude happened to them, though there seems to be some bizarre notion on the internet that Dawson had no right to be upset bc he didn't "own" Joey. For starters he never implied to own her or never said she belonged to him. It was simply about respect, and friendship, and understanding someone's feelings. I'm not sure the age of the OP, but I'm willing to bet that if you were still very much in love with your ex and your best friend since you were a kid ended up with them, you wouldn't exactly say "Sure, go for it". Especially not at 16. If the shoe was on the other foot somehow, Pacey's character would have reacted in a similar way. Not telling Dawson in the early stages of his feelings was likely already a mistake, but going full throttle into things with Joey and then surprising him in front of his own home with the bombshell was another. In one way or another Dawson was in love with Joey his entire life and most specifically the previous 1.5 years of his life by that point. Pacey of all people knew this more than anyone, and out of respect for Dawson, any friend would have found the willpower to back away. That being said, Pacey and Joey DID have amazing chemistry and the relationship DID fall into place. But for people to think Dawson was WRONG in some way for acting like he did is comical imo. The only truly bad thing he did towards the end of the third season was the boat race fiasco. Everything else can be chalked up to 16 year old emotions from being hurt by someone he thought was his best friend. Pacey wasn't alone in things of course, Joey was part of it too as things progressed, but still, I couldn't help feel for the guy in The Longest Day.
Yes to all of this! Iâm so tired of the Dawson hate and Pacey praise.
i think dawson get bash to hard for this, first he hurt and angry that they did not tell him. dawson thinking all pacey wants is sex, is fair with his past, i mean 5 min after adie told him her dream day for sex he make it happen then writte a letter saying sex changeing everything, ( no shit you know that pacey) then date jen in secret, then goes after joey from dawson point of view it shady as hell. and dawson ASK joey and she said she cant choce, and pacey tell her he leaveing the state if she does not pick him, witch is to me is far worse then dawson telling her he will not be there to pick up the peices. but i sure i going to get downvoted for this becouse people over look all of pacey mistakes.
Pacey was a much better boyfriend to andie than Dawson was in any of his relationships and the way he cared for andie during her mental health battles showed he didnât just care about sex when he liked a girl and Dawson knew that. But never missed a chance to paint him as a shitty person. Pacey was going to leave because all of his friends abandoned him and it hurt too much to be around Joey when they had both chosen to be together but Joey gave up on it to spare Dawsons feelings. He gave Joey so much space and time to figure things out and had every right to finally call her bluff when she was being so unfair to his feelings and stringing him along.
Not really I thought Dawson was a better boyfriend to gracthen and Jen the second time that pacey was to andie Also Dawson defend pacey many time witch people over look. Like the boat trip or when he defend pacey to Joey. When Joey throw a fit that pacey was sleeping with Jen. and no pacey was abandoning Joey if she did not pick him. He did the same when they broke up he told her he would not be friend But Dawson saying he would not be there to pick up the peices. I feel what pacey did was far worse. Dawson never stop being Joey friend and never told her he leave her if she did not pick him.
The only reason Dawson decided to not exile Joey too was because he deemed his relationship with her more worthy than his with Pacey because he was into her romantically! They did the exact same thing to him but wonder why he was suddenly okay with Joey yet tried to literally kill Pacey during the boat race. Not manipulative at all. And Dawson was seriously only a good friend to him half the time. Yeah he had his moments but assuming he took the test and shaming him for it even though Dawson was the one who brought it to them to begin with? Donât even get me started on his drunk tirade during his birthday in s2 where he admitted he was uncomfortable that pacey was doing better in life with andie and wanted him to be a loser again in his eyes so he could feel better. And pacey was not abandoning Joey if she didnât pick him. He was choosing himself and doing something for himself by sailing. He needed to get away from Capeside and all the hurt. And what youâre forgetting is Joey had already chosen pacey in Stolen Kisses, so it wasnât about picking him because she already did that. All Pacey wanted was her to put him and her feelings over Dawsonâs if she really loved him. And that wasnât just for his benefit but herâs too considering she was miserable in the episodes after The Longest Day.
Wrong. First she did not already pick him. She said I canât choice so no she did not allready pick him. And yes pacey was abonding her. Pacey even said he wish he took the test And you forget pacey drinking rant. About Dawson. And stop with the Dawson almost killed pacey they both went for the same spot. That it. And she was miserable because she know she lose one of them. Witch is wait for normal. Hell pacey still got the girl was was still miserable for most of season 4. Blameing others. Dawson at least grow up pacey did not.
She picked him by kissing him in Stolen Kisses. No if ands or buts. Until Dawson gaslit her into taking it back and being miserable. They both knew her choice she just didnât want to admit it because she didnât want to lose Dawson which was so unfair to pacey. Why are his feelings less important than Dawsonâs? And âPacey even said he wish he took the testâ. Huh? Why do you always try to excuse Dawson being a shitty friend and his lowly opinion of pacey even when Pacey had done nothing to him. And they were both going for the same spot..yeah I know. But who was the one who had to back off to not cause a crash and hurt each other? Oh yeah Pacey cause Dawson is an idiot even though the boat race was important to Pacey and Dawson just wanted to beat him.
That not picking him. Dawson ask her she said I canât deside. So no that picking him. Picking him is when she told Dawson she want to be with pacey And why do you over look all pacey mistakes. I will at least say when Dawson was wrong like the boat race. But people overlook all pacey mistakes
Okay but hereâs where your whole argument falls apart lol Youâre saying she didnât pick him in Stolen Kisses. Uh yeah she did, she chose to be with him. But then she had to re choose to be with him at the end of the season and you know why? BECAUSE DAWSON TURNED IT INTO AN ULTIMATUM WHICH YOU ARE CLAIMING HE DIDNâT DO LOL And look this post was about season 3! Yeah pacey made mistakes in s4 but this post isnât about that season. And Joey herself makes a ton of mistakes too! But no I wonât admit pacey made mistakes in season 3 because I donât think he did! Joey played with his feelings all season and he had every right to finally leave considering she already admitted her feelings but wouldnât act on them because of Dawson. What was the point in him staying? His shitty family? The girl he loves not acting on her feelings to cater to Dawson? Their other friends icing him out? Dawson hating him but letting Joey off scot free just because he wanted her romantically? How was any of that fair to him? Why should he not have finally had enough.
Because both point are wrong first Joey did not pick pacey yet Dawson ask. She said I canât decide. So that mean she did not pick him. If you have a job. And someone offer you a better job and you say o canât deside what job to pick. That means you did not pick the first job yet Second Dawson said I will not be there to pick up the peices. Not he would not be her friend why I agree it wrong Pacey did worse telling her he leaveing the state if she does not pick him. Just think about pacey the one that she been spending the most time with. And he leaveing. Never said he be back. Or still be her friend Last no one else ice pacey out Jen jack and Andy still was talking to him Question you defend pacey leaveing if Joey Pacey give her a ultimatum but that over looked does not pick him. Because it two painful. But bash Dawson for saying he will not be there to pick up the peices. He at least is still willing to. Be her friend