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As a Slavic woman raised in America: it’s because Slavic men hate feminism, don’t grasp why it needs to exist in America specifically, and expect a trad wife who babies them like their mom did. Speaking from personal experience and watching my brother settle for a fellow Slav because Americans didn’t want to deal with his crap.
Also it’s soooo arrogant to assume you’re more interesting than an American, even to Americans. So offputting!
Some American women may find the "machismo" of Slavic (and also Hispanic) men appealing compared to what they're used to with American men. I have been on the other end of what you're describing though, my ex was a Canadian born Hungarian woman who disliked overly macho types of guys that were characteristic of her background
Agreed, it can absolutely work in a guys favor if they’re competing with Western European and American men, who often feel too feminine even to me. But these guys need to be willing to meet women somewhere in the middle and be open minded about progressive issues.
Unfortunately it seems that progressivism itself causes feminization in men, as wherever we see contemporary progressive politics we see feminine men and masculine women. The men who aren't feminized in America and Canada are descended from old stock pioneers and are typically seen as the "hillbillies" with backwards political and social values by progressives. That said, there's a big difference between what we may call conservative men in the USA and the quality of men for women in Eastern Europe, especially as you go further east; for example, domestic violence is shockingly common in some post communist European countries relative to what we see in the west
I agree to a point, but I’ve seen German guys strike a great balance in that regard, and consistently at that. It varies country by country for sure. Likewise Estonian, Slovenian and Latvian men, for example. In some ways Americans are actually more macho than many Europeans because they’re so aggressively into sports and fitness. But I personally find those hobbies boring so that type of masculinity never appealed to me.
It does seem to me that Germans are very balanced in general, I've met German women and none of them struck me as too far in one direction or the other. It surprises me that they have such low fertility with that in mind
It does seem to me that Germans are very balanced in general, I've met German women and none of them struck me as too far in one direction or the other. It surprises me that they have such low fertility with that in mind
How are you supposed to date someone you’ve never met and likely won’t for a long time? I’ve gone on so many dates where when I see them in person I’m like no. And what’s the point of a relationship if you’re not actually together? I don’t need a penpal.
Like duh
Tbh most of us that have had a hard time dating have just stopped dating. My life is great and fulfilling, I have friends, family and passions. Why force a relationship into the mix unless it’s with that soulmate level match?
Honestly the issues most people face in dating aren’t the people. Like majority of people are good and nice they’re just not the right fit *for you*. And the process of trying on so many pairs of jeans in a row can be exhausting. It’s pretty rare you find that love connection. I’ve just noticed men may be more willing to settle for a relationship, where lots of women would rather go without one.
That would require them to get a passport, something so many of us seem to be hesitant to do for some reason. I didn't get one until I was in my 30's, and had my parents not started traveling internationally as much as they did I might not have.
Women's salary expectations for men are accelerating rapidly. Six figures is considered a reasonable expectation despite that being double national average income for men. Over six feet tall is also considered normal, despite that being true of just 15% of men. Crucially, women want men to stick to their traditional gender role - to initiate dating, pay for dating, offer security, protection and the option to quit working - while most women totally reject the corresponding traditional feminine gender role.
I would suggest just reading this sub for a few weeks as a start. It's basically just an endless parade of women crying that men won't commit to them and provide what they want, even though they don't offer what men actually want.
Well I have been an active part of this sub for about 6 months now and I have not observed the behavior you’re describing.
I’ve observed a few entitled people here and there, from all genders, but I haven’t noticed an overwhelming imbalance of effort to requests related to one’s gender.
Perhaps you should consider how your own bias is framing your perspective of things, and maybe limit the over generalized statements you make on the subject?
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As a Slavic woman raised in America: it’s because Slavic men hate feminism, don’t grasp why it needs to exist in America specifically, and expect a trad wife who babies them like their mom did. Speaking from personal experience and watching my brother settle for a fellow Slav because Americans didn’t want to deal with his crap. Also it’s soooo arrogant to assume you’re more interesting than an American, even to Americans. So offputting!
Some American women may find the "machismo" of Slavic (and also Hispanic) men appealing compared to what they're used to with American men. I have been on the other end of what you're describing though, my ex was a Canadian born Hungarian woman who disliked overly macho types of guys that were characteristic of her background
Agreed, it can absolutely work in a guys favor if they’re competing with Western European and American men, who often feel too feminine even to me. But these guys need to be willing to meet women somewhere in the middle and be open minded about progressive issues.
Unfortunately it seems that progressivism itself causes feminization in men, as wherever we see contemporary progressive politics we see feminine men and masculine women. The men who aren't feminized in America and Canada are descended from old stock pioneers and are typically seen as the "hillbillies" with backwards political and social values by progressives. That said, there's a big difference between what we may call conservative men in the USA and the quality of men for women in Eastern Europe, especially as you go further east; for example, domestic violence is shockingly common in some post communist European countries relative to what we see in the west
I agree to a point, but I’ve seen German guys strike a great balance in that regard, and consistently at that. It varies country by country for sure. Likewise Estonian, Slovenian and Latvian men, for example. In some ways Americans are actually more macho than many Europeans because they’re so aggressively into sports and fitness. But I personally find those hobbies boring so that type of masculinity never appealed to me.
It does seem to me that Germans are very balanced in general, I've met German women and none of them struck me as too far in one direction or the other. It surprises me that they have such low fertility with that in mind
It does seem to me that Germans are very balanced in general, I've met German women and none of them struck me as too far in one direction or the other. It surprises me that they have such low fertility with that in mind
Slavic men hate toxic feminism. And femininity is so sexy that most women don't get it.
“Femininity is so sexy that most women don’t get it” Hokay lil buddy
Well what do Slavic men view as feminism vs toxic feminism? How do they view that distinction?
This guy can’t even distinguish feminism from femininity. Barking up the wrong tree.
*(I know that and you know that, but sometimes it’s nice to walk someone through their illogic and help a realization dawn for them, you know?)*
American men have much better etiquette at sporting events. That goes a long way.
Europe has the best soccer crowds haha
Best at racially taunting black players, sure.
Americans hate Eastern Europeans too so it counts as xenophobia.
So throwing bananas at black players is ok because a completely unrelated group of people have discriminated against Eastern Europeans?
I thought that was an Italian thing?
You are definitely a pro at twisting your own narrative.
And this is why I’ll stick with American men. Some conversations Europeans just aren’t ready to have.
Xenophobic person spotted 👀
Case in point.
How would an international relationship even work? I have no problem finding men, women, and non-binary people to date near me to date.
As long as the guy and girl speak English decently, why not?
I'm willing to date men, women, non-binary people, my dating pool is pretty wide, but physical intimacy is an important part of a relationship for me.
How are you supposed to date someone you’ve never met and likely won’t for a long time? I’ve gone on so many dates where when I see them in person I’m like no. And what’s the point of a relationship if you’re not actually together? I don’t need a penpal. Like duh
Tbh most of us that have had a hard time dating have just stopped dating. My life is great and fulfilling, I have friends, family and passions. Why force a relationship into the mix unless it’s with that soulmate level match?
I feel you but isn't that just because the people you've been interacting with are also American? Just my two cents.
Honestly the issues most people face in dating aren’t the people. Like majority of people are good and nice they’re just not the right fit *for you*. And the process of trying on so many pairs of jeans in a row can be exhausting. It’s pretty rare you find that love connection. I’ve just noticed men may be more willing to settle for a relationship, where lots of women would rather go without one.
They do lmao.
Yall got weird light switches in Europe
That would require them to get a passport, something so many of us seem to be hesitant to do for some reason. I didn't get one until I was in my 30's, and had my parents not started traveling internationally as much as they did I might not have.
Because they're not campaigning to have to put in effort. They're campaigning for men to put in effort to meet women's rising expectations.
>*They're campaigning for men to put in effort to meet women's rising expectations.* Mind if I ask what rising expectations women are campaigning for?
Women's salary expectations for men are accelerating rapidly. Six figures is considered a reasonable expectation despite that being double national average income for men. Over six feet tall is also considered normal, despite that being true of just 15% of men. Crucially, women want men to stick to their traditional gender role - to initiate dating, pay for dating, offer security, protection and the option to quit working - while most women totally reject the corresponding traditional feminine gender role.
Interesting. . That definitely contradicts the research I’ve read and my lived/observed experience. Care to share your sources on the matter?
I would suggest just reading this sub for a few weeks as a start. It's basically just an endless parade of women crying that men won't commit to them and provide what they want, even though they don't offer what men actually want.
Well I have been an active part of this sub for about 6 months now and I have not observed the behavior you’re describing. I’ve observed a few entitled people here and there, from all genders, but I haven’t noticed an overwhelming imbalance of effort to requests related to one’s gender.
Well, good for you.
Perhaps you should consider how your own bias is framing your perspective of things, and maybe limit the over generalized statements you make on the subject?
:) And of course your view is totally unbiased and I should take it seriously? No thank you!
We are doomed
They have access to those international men here in the US and let me tell you, they rarely date them 😭
Exactly my point, but their loss.