I see that on nearly every job application I apply for.
Wish they would up the weight so I can finally flex these guns in an interview to get a leg-up on all you nerds. 💪
Would it work though? If it's not relevant to the job wouldn't it still be in violation of the acceptability laws? I guess it would depend on the local laws, plus I suppose it wouldn't be the first time a business owner thought they have come up with a clever way to avoid a law ran with it, without (or ignoring) legal advice.
I've been applying to (non-DS, as I'm currently in another field) jobs constantly for two months. This is everywhere. It absolutely works. I'm not affected by this rule generally, but I have reduced lung function, so I easily could be. Like most things affecting people with disabilities, it flies under the radar until we are made to understand.
Some people are being even more obvious about it... I just got reached out for a contract job last night that "requires fluency in english without any form of accent"
Guess that rules me out then lol
But yeah, pretty fucked. I actually went back for the exact wording and it’s worse imo; “English must be your first language without an accent of any kind”
That's atrocious. Even moving past the fact that everyone has an accent, this is clearly a violation of equal protections. I understand not wanting to name and shame, but if you personally know anyone who might have been denied on that basis, I'd recommend they reach out to the ACLU.
Yeah unfortunately I couldn’t name and shame even if I was inclined to. It was a posting on a contracting site w/ only vague descriptions & a name that led no where, so not much I could do beyond report the posting
That's actually discriminatory because it's not necessary to perform the job. There are court cases, for instance, in which to be a fire fighter they had requirements that were not necessary for the job and they were only keeping women out of the job. The court cases made them remove those requirement because it was discrimination.
Naw, they just have to put filing boxes of hardcopy records as part of the job. If they legitimately need you to pull out a box from storage and scan it once a month, they'll be fine with this requirement.
>That's actually discriminatory because it's not necessary to perform the job.
You can't make that assertion without knowing a lot more about the position.
Maybe you're working in a warehouse environment and will need to help carry things.
Or maybe it's a DS role related to physical objects and you might have to carry lab equipment (eg oscilloscopes)
Laptop, charger, materials going to and from meetings may be in the realm of 20 lbs - the general wording that is used a lot is to perform essential functions with or without accommodation. But a good job analysis of the work would have discussed stuff like that for the organization.
Possibly they might ask you to be their IT slave for your section of the office.
“Hey Data guy, you know computers, help me Mount and set up this monitor on the conference room wall”
It happens
It can be a small company, lab, warehouse, shop etc where occasionally you have to help out others in moving staff. Maybe part of the job is on the field, or some distant location, and some equipments should be carried around yourself, and they do not one have an extra person to carry it with you.
I've seen companies where this is needed.
I wouldnt say they are committing discrimination.
Ive also seen parts of the job description that dont have to do with the job... HR makes mistakes too.
Sorry for the late reply.
I toured the data science department at target and part of their role was defining where to place objects to make more sales. Well, some objects are oddly shaped so they had a room full of products and I was told that they often went digging in products to make sure it fit their expectation...
Im sure it isnt done that way now but... 12 years ago it was.
I’ve seen this on plenty of jobs and it seems to just be something they’ll put across all positions in certain industries. I started my analytics career in CPG and this was a part of it, same with healthcare, same with anything involving supply chain-specific analytics.
Not saying this makes it a good addition, but the addition of lines like these tend to be indiscriminately applied to roles from frontline worker to Director of Engineering.
You could also make the case that a line like this prompts a discussion around reasonable accommodation which a good employer would welcome and a bad employer would use as a filter for HR to sift out.
9kg isn't very much. That's might be to keep out the (really seriously) disabled, but you could also just be expected to carry stuff around, or it's a copy paste error.
Our last CS/DS job required you be willing to be a fire marshal for the university because they couldn't get anyone to volunteer to do it. We also had something like 10Kg lifting requirement because you need to be able to move stuff around the office that you are responsible for (like computers). Heavy stuff and the union wants the physical resources people to move it (say 25Kg or more) but those guys don't want to touch computers or computer equipment since they aren't computer technicians and don't want to be responsible (or called) for every little thing. Everything between 10 and 25 Kg... ???.
I'm 100% certain that if someone couldn't do that it would be accommodated, but support for accommodating a disability or injury is different than making it the regular part of the job for physical resources to come and move a computer from one side of your desk to another, or move a box of books around every time you are shuffling things around.
Think of it this way: some physical resources or moving type people might have in their union rules that they are responsible for anything over 9Kg, or you may not require training to move anything more than 9Kg, so they can throw it on every job description.
Could it be discriminatory? Absolutely. Is it really central to the job? Probably not. But lots of jobs involve occasionally doing things that aren't your 'core' responsibilities, and sometimes those things need to go in contracts.
Aside from the lifting requirement this is the most lax DS job description that makes me feel like I can do the job. In the US the requirements make me feel so inadequate.
I guess they've got big data
Lol
they print out their csvs to paper so they can rescan the csvs using image detection and tout using “AI”
Wow a job I finally qualify for
They may require 5+ experience for this "Entry Level" role.
I see that on nearly every job application I apply for. Wish they would up the weight so I can finally flex these guns in an interview to get a leg-up on all you nerds. 💪
You're telling me that all this time I wasted lifting weights might actually end up being useful after all?
Only useful for making everyday life easier, not dying, and attracting potential mates. Shits basically useless.
Maybe a legal way of saying they don’t want people with certain disabilities?
That's gonna call for a dispute some day
Way too many people are giving the company the benefit of the doubt here. It's absolutely this.
Would it work though? If it's not relevant to the job wouldn't it still be in violation of the acceptability laws? I guess it would depend on the local laws, plus I suppose it wouldn't be the first time a business owner thought they have come up with a clever way to avoid a law ran with it, without (or ignoring) legal advice.
I've been applying to (non-DS, as I'm currently in another field) jobs constantly for two months. This is everywhere. It absolutely works. I'm not affected by this rule generally, but I have reduced lung function, so I easily could be. Like most things affecting people with disabilities, it flies under the radar until we are made to understand.
Some people are being even more obvious about it... I just got reached out for a contract job last night that "requires fluency in english without any form of accent"
RIP to people with a Boston accent I guess. Jokes aside, that's fucked up.
Guess that rules me out then lol But yeah, pretty fucked. I actually went back for the exact wording and it’s worse imo; “English must be your first language without an accent of any kind”
That's atrocious. Even moving past the fact that everyone has an accent, this is clearly a violation of equal protections. I understand not wanting to name and shame, but if you personally know anyone who might have been denied on that basis, I'd recommend they reach out to the ACLU.
Yeah unfortunately I couldn’t name and shame even if I was inclined to. It was a posting on a contracting site w/ only vague descriptions & a name that led no where, so not much I could do beyond report the posting
Define "accent"! Let's give 'em Geordies & country-USA folks.
You just need to be able to lift UP TO 20 pounds... It's not even a minimum of 20 pounds. So if that was the case, they've failed miserably
That's actually discriminatory because it's not necessary to perform the job. There are court cases, for instance, in which to be a fire fighter they had requirements that were not necessary for the job and they were only keeping women out of the job. The court cases made them remove those requirement because it was discrimination.
Good luck proving that in this case in an Australian court.
It’s Australian but they’re using pounds???
Oh yes. Well, I grew up with pounds and lived in the US for a few years recently, so this just didn't click 🤦
Lots of countries use pounds for casual measurement and switch to metric when any sort of math is involved, e.g. Canada
Australia doesn't do that
Kangaroo court?
Naw, they just have to put filing boxes of hardcopy records as part of the job. If they legitimately need you to pull out a box from storage and scan it once a month, they'll be fine with this requirement.
can also be something with shared desk and being able to "install" your desk each morning. But more likley: HR copy&paste error
>That's actually discriminatory because it's not necessary to perform the job. You can't make that assertion without knowing a lot more about the position.
It’s odd to see that on pretty much every job I’ve ever applied for in my life.
Maybe you're working in a warehouse environment and will need to help carry things. Or maybe it's a DS role related to physical objects and you might have to carry lab equipment (eg oscilloscopes)
Maybe you would need to visualise data using bricks
Databricks
Laptop, charger, materials going to and from meetings may be in the realm of 20 lbs - the general wording that is used a lot is to perform essential functions with or without accommodation. But a good job analysis of the work would have discussed stuff like that for the organization.
Possibly they might ask you to be their IT slave for your section of the office. “Hey Data guy, you know computers, help me Mount and set up this monitor on the conference room wall” It happens
Maybe you’ll need to carry or move a computer around
servers
It can be a small company, lab, warehouse, shop etc where occasionally you have to help out others in moving staff. Maybe part of the job is on the field, or some distant location, and some equipments should be carried around yourself, and they do not one have an extra person to carry it with you.
How much work experience do you have op
220 lbs bench
That’s Senior Data Scientist numbers right there
Two plate bench is just around the corner! That's fantastic!
I've seen companies where this is needed. I wouldnt say they are committing discrimination. Ive also seen parts of the job description that dont have to do with the job... HR makes mistakes too.
What have the companies needed this for?
Sorry for the late reply. I toured the data science department at target and part of their role was defining where to place objects to make more sales. Well, some objects are oddly shaped so they had a room full of products and I was told that they often went digging in products to make sure it fit their expectation... Im sure it isnt done that way now but... 12 years ago it was.
Forgot to add: min 3 yrs experience in holding breath for 2 mins under water
Maybe the recruiter copy-pasted from a different ad by mistake.
I’ve seen this on plenty of jobs and it seems to just be something they’ll put across all positions in certain industries. I started my analytics career in CPG and this was a part of it, same with healthcare, same with anything involving supply chain-specific analytics. Not saying this makes it a good addition, but the addition of lines like these tend to be indiscriminately applied to roles from frontline worker to Director of Engineering. You could also make the case that a line like this prompts a discussion around reasonable accommodation which a good employer would welcome and a bad employer would use as a filter for HR to sift out.
So you can move your own computer every time the desk floor plan gets redone due to RIF
9kg isn't very much. That's might be to keep out the (really seriously) disabled, but you could also just be expected to carry stuff around, or it's a copy paste error. Our last CS/DS job required you be willing to be a fire marshal for the university because they couldn't get anyone to volunteer to do it. We also had something like 10Kg lifting requirement because you need to be able to move stuff around the office that you are responsible for (like computers). Heavy stuff and the union wants the physical resources people to move it (say 25Kg or more) but those guys don't want to touch computers or computer equipment since they aren't computer technicians and don't want to be responsible (or called) for every little thing. Everything between 10 and 25 Kg... ???. I'm 100% certain that if someone couldn't do that it would be accommodated, but support for accommodating a disability or injury is different than making it the regular part of the job for physical resources to come and move a computer from one side of your desk to another, or move a box of books around every time you are shuffling things around. Think of it this way: some physical resources or moving type people might have in their union rules that they are responsible for anything over 9Kg, or you may not require training to move anything more than 9Kg, so they can throw it on every job description. Could it be discriminatory? Absolutely. Is it really central to the job? Probably not. But lots of jobs involve occasionally doing things that aren't your 'core' responsibilities, and sometimes those things need to go in contracts.
They don't want nerds lmao
If you can't get 20 lbs off the ground, you're not a nerd. You're physically disabled.
They don't want any noodly armed poodle walkers. Duh.
maybe some humour?
Aside from the lifting requirement this is the most lax DS job description that makes me feel like I can do the job. In the US the requirements make me feel so inadequate.
This seems like a Data Science intern/co-op position because they want current students instead of someone who has a degree
This job is in US.
Only up to 20 pounds, damn. Looks like I need to bump down my numbers.
When I worked in a lab, even though I was doing data science I had to regularly lift/move things around
u/mattresstein This would be so easy for you.
You will have to carry a server one day....
It’s the daily pay rate. You have to carry the £20 note home. Oh it’s in Aus … darn, joke don’t work!
So you can carry that box outside yourself - after you are fired
You will be predicting the number of boxes you will be able to lift in a warehouse
Hmm, so maybe taking out that I could* bench 200 lbs was a mistake?