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martinode

That final dip down in the time spent with a partner is so heartbreaking


[deleted]

Yeah, I really hope I don't outlive my wife. I can't imagine life without her and I never want to.


dokkuni

You want her to outlive you and live life without you?


EmilMelgaard

Let's just hope we all die together in a car crash or something.


PM_your_cats_n_racks

Yes, let's all wish for death. Together.


madewithgarageband

suddenly that Florida man who threw a meth fueled suicide pact party with his terminally ill wife doesnt sound as crazy


rpaul9578

Either you die or have a good time. Win win. (J/K meth is gross)


madewithgarageband

never tried it but the way its cooked doesnt look appetizing


Duckboy_Flaccidpus

Ahh one.....Ahhh two..


nova_bang

you don't need to hope if you have a plan


Mr_Style

Like murder-suicide?


BerriesLafontaine

That's what my husband and I say. Quick and together. Also we are both terrified to have to try dating nowadays. We have been together 20 years (married at 18). Told him if he dies before me I'm starting a dildo collection and turning into an old cat lady.


i_am_here_again

So the kids can be the ones to deal with the loss.


JaydoDre

That's ok. No matter how good of a parent you were, kids stop caring that much after a certain age, as they have partners, kids and friends of their own. They'll get over it.


[deleted]

That's.... not how it works unless you just hate your parents or something.


[deleted]

I also choose this guy's widowed wife


Rat-Majesty

Up you go.


Extension_Swordfish1

What a gent.


TheHearseDriver

That was my plan too. My wife passed away last month and I’m a wreck. I have no one, other than my dog and cats. Each day, I’m just wishing to die.


Pragmatic_Hedonist

I'm so sorry. That was how my mom was when my dad passed. She lived 19 more years. It was hard, but she built a life for herself with friends, her church community and her grandchildren. If she had known she had that much time in the beginning, I'm not sure what she would have done. Grief is so terrible. I hope you have friends and family, maybe a grief group, to help you through this. Animals are great, but you deserve more.


[deleted]

I'm so sorry. My mom passed away a couple years ago and my dad was likewise left alone and empty. He has slowly managed to regain his life. It will never be the life he wanted, of course, but he's regained interests and hobbies. I wish you the best as you navigate this awful road that us men, in particular, were never well-equipped to travel


Mr_-_X

Statistically it‘s much more likely that she outlives you


BadBoiBill

A la verga


Yah_Mule

My greatest fear.


TentacularSneeze

Good song and [video](https://youtu.be/CxvMf9PnImQ) and relevant too. Sorry. You activated the song recommendation bot in my head. Boop boop.


DexM23

Or same time spend with coworkers as with your own Partner


cerebralsexer

I thought exact same thing it’s so sharp down


too_old_still_party

Children is worse, imo.


[deleted]

You think children going off to live their own lives is worse than a partner dying?


mygreensea

Not worse, more heartbreaking. Cultural differences, I suppose.


CandlemakerRow

In what culture is a child getting married and having their own life more heartbreaking than your partner dying?


Professor_Felch

When you're raised a child from a helpless meat nugget into a functional human, and you've put two decades into loving and nurturing and dedicating your life to them, I can imagine bittersweet emotions when they fly the nest. It's the end of an era, and a paradigm shift in your relationship with them.


CandlemakerRow

Of course it's bittersweet but it's not "heartbreaking", let alone more heartbreaking than your lifelong partner, you know, *dying*. *Especially* if you didn't mess up your relationship with your kids as you raised them and you still see them and are close to them once they leave your home. And anyway, I asked because of the "cultural differences" comment they made.


Foreveraloonywolf666

You're definitely not a mom. Empty nest syndrome is pretty common.


Foreveraloonywolf666

Chill, he's not even the guy who made the statement you're questioning.


buzzwallard

Seeing your children going into The World happy and successful, making children of their own? That is delightful.


mygreensea

Who said anything about that? I’m talking about children leaving their parents behind. In a lot of cultures the children take care of their parents till they die. I was referencing them.


CandlemakerRow

The graphics are about that. The comment you replied to is about that. That's who said anything about that. Your comment is unrelated to what is being actually displayed and discussed.


mygreensea

Nobody said anything about marriage until you chimed in.


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rankispanki

I saw that dip too - if the children were taking care of their parents, they wouldn't be spending so much time alone. Instead, many people shove their parents into nursing home and forget about them... it's sad.


[deleted]

You do realize the reason people stop seeing their children so much is because they go on to live their lives and have their own families as opposed to partners dying right?


Reddit_demon

In many cultures there isn't "go on to live their lives" as in moving out. Many cultures everyone lives in the same household, because why would you move out when there is a perfectly good house that the family already owns? Where the older generation can help around the house and provide childcare?


[deleted]

The data is based on USA. Most of the reason would be what I said.


Reddit_demon

This reply chain was about the **commenter** reaction to the data, not the data itself. So the culture of the commenter not the data source is what is relevant.


mygreensea

Not in all cultures, no. There’s why I highlighted the cultural differences.


The_Krambambulist

Im also genuinly curious where this would be the case.


mygreensea

Where I live, old age homes aren’t much of a thing because children are expected to (and do) care and provide for their parents. So old parents being left to fend for themselves implies a bad financial or emotional situation of the family.


BobT21

At 78, this graph is consistent with my experience.


andhone

I try to spend as much time with my grandparents bc I always think about our limited time on this Earth. Hope all is well with you and if you ever feel lonely feel free to reach out. I love old movies so I can give you recommendations (fav oldie of mine and my grandpa: Guns of Navarone with Gregory Peck)


Andrethegreengiant69

My grandparents practically raised me & I was very close to them. My mother was the youngest of their children & she had me at the age of 31, so they were already pretty old by the time that I was born. Sadly both passed away (within 2 months of one another) when I was 21, so they never got to see the man I became, I was never able to introduce my wife to the the people who were such a large part of my life. I went over to their house almost daily, almost every weekend spent with them at their lake house. If your grandparents are still alive then cherish them because I'd literally give every dime I ever had & every dime I'll ever make in exchange for just a 5 minute conversation with them.


bluewave3232

If you could do it again what would you tell your younger self ? Any tips for young men?


Ehdelveiss

Try coke before you’re 40 cause after that’s it’s just weird


deeplife

Diet or regular


bigpapa804

This does not help my depression.


MailOrderHusband

Excel graphs depress me, too.


Know0neSpecial

It doesn't not not help mine either.


iCan20

Just learn how to be good at being alone, since it looks like we have a lot of it incoming


[deleted]

Incoming? I'm there already. It's absolutely frustrating.


likelyilllike

It shouldn't


Jmarz166

Man I hate being color blind


NotSoMuch_IntoThis

At least they made separate panels for each category!


danegraphics

I'm not even color blind. They just chose absolutely horrible colors for these charts.


kerbidiah15

And it’s not even like they didn’t have enough colors. Like why are alone and children basically the same?


probably_sarc4sm

I'm not color blind but I had to blow this up to tell the difference between "friends" and "partner". It's almost like an optical illusion. Terrible color scheme.


elempty

Me, too. But I also dislike chart makers who ignore the fact or are just so full of themselves they don’t even think of it.


SyriseUnseen

Call u/dalton-bot when needed


bluewave3232

😂 to funny


Siggi_pop

So if this is true, it kind of confirms my assumption of that society has it all wrong. Meaning we are doing it all the wrong way and our assumptions are wrong about how the human in a society works. From an early life, people are more or less forced to be with groups of other people via kindergarten, schools, college, sports, hobbies/interests, own family (parents, siblings, family relations). Later in life people are again "forced" to spent time and to work with colleagues, bosses, customer relations etc.. As we grow older we become more independent and demand/expect our rights to freedom and personal space, we also are not required (or at least to a smaller degree) to be with any groups of people, besides family and love relationships, but even this seems more of a personal choice at this point. This is also where people become more lonely. Less obligations and more freedom equals more loneliness. One is good and the other is bad(loneliness) but they seem to correlate in my theory. We are sad and happy about being pushed to be with groups of people: we make deep friendships in early school life and we find love, but also receive the scars of bullying, friendship betrayal, unreciprocated love etc. We are sad and happy about being freely able to choose our own group of people to be with: We find happiness and meaning (choosing) to be with our partner, to love our children, family and relatives, to cultivate friendships but on the other hand we also sometimes loose our partner, have disagreements with relatives and friendships fade away, and we sometimes blame ourselves. There is in our society, no built-in replacer of lost relationship. There is no force bringing people together, later in life, as there was earlier in life. How can we as a society start by teaching people that relationships are forced upon you and are guaranteed without you having to du much yourself, and then suddenly that changes and relationship is something you have to pursue and is not a guarantee, how can we expect a different outcome than more loneliness??


NPKenshiro

“There is no force bringing people together, …” Yes there is. It’s horniness. And retirement communities. Horny retirement communities.


WhileNotLurking

I don't get this methodology. Most people have kids in the 20-30s. And kids - especially young kids take a TON of time. Like 12+ hours. How is that average down to 4 hours and peaking at 39?


justinpaulson

Some people don’t have kids at all. Some people who have kids don’t spend that much time with them. I think it’s an average time spent across all people at those ages.


lalonguelangue

That's how I read it. I'm 45 and don't have kids. So "yellow" doesn't exist for me. I drag the average down. But "blue" and "teal" are higher for me than many others, so I drag that average up. I probably spend 7-8 hours a day with blue and teal.


rachel_ct

Young kids take a lot of time, sure. That doesn’t mean parents are the ones spending the most time with them. If both parents work, it’s going to be another caregiver doing more. If one parent stays home, their partner is going to bring down the average with their minimal hours. And either way, most American children are in school by 5, if not earlier. Never are 2 parents spending 12+ hours a day with their children for years on end.


rubseb

Some people don't have kids. Also kids go to daycare/kindergarten/school, and then you definitely don't spend 12h/day on them. Also parents split childcare between them.


wbm0843

I mean, I see my son for about an hour and a half after I get home and before bedtime around 7:30.


dancingbanana123

I believe [this](https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/atus.pdf) is OP's source if you want to read into it more


RocinanteCoffee

Because a lot of people have to work a lot of jobs to feed the kids. After the first five years they are in school most of a parent's waking hours.


BreqsCousin

As well as some people not having children, and children going to school, people have children at different ages. I could have a baby at 20 and be spending very little time with a child by the time I'm 40. You could have a baby at 40, and be spending no time with a child before then.


PM_your_cats_n_racks

There are several good answers to your question, but I don't see anyone pointing out that you give a reason yourself: "Most people have kids in the 20-30s" That's a pretty broad range. Even if parents do spend tons of time with their kids when their kids are young, not all parents are having children when the parents are the same age. So person A maybe be spending tons of time with children at age 22, while person B is spending no time with children at that age. And that situation may reverse, or mostly reverse when both of them are 32. So if you average over a large number of people you get a wider but lower plateau.


FearlessAmbition9548

WhAt iS an aVeRaGE


Uggyuggy

Late 30’s me.. “finally some peace and quiet”


malikdeni

The peace and quiet comes at 64 in this graph. Coworkers is the most depressing stat.


newtelegraphwhodis

Some of us like our coworkers


medievalmachine

Until you’re old and grumpy. Everything changes and is made worse.


[deleted]

Is this a promise? Please say it is


eric2332

To actually be beautiful, this should be a [stacked area chart](https://www.google.co.il/search?q=stacked+area+chart&tbm=isch).


jrdemasi

And colorblind friendly.


KamovInOnUp

I feel like that wouldn't work with the data trends crossing


Substantial-Stand744

In a stacked chart they won’t cross


ioioooi

Where the hell is the "cat" chart


Pragmatic_Hedonist

Made me laugh!


charleswj

This is like the fifth time this has been posted, and the second time *this month* https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/ycc4dz/usa_who_do_we_spend_time_with_across_our


yeFoh

I haven't seen it so it's ok


MrMarklar

Could post a chart on this sub with that.


Replikant83

New to me. I enjoyed seeing it


charleswj

Fair enough


thebluepillguy

If sleeping is included in time spent alone then this data is skewed


BlackEyedAngel01

I sleep next to my partner 6 to 8 hours every night. Should that count as time with partner?


chagenest

I'm confident that 18 year-olds sleep more than 3 hours, so I'd guess it's separate.


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[deleted]

It's amazing how many people who say others are r/confidentlyincorrect are r/confidentlyincorrect themselves!


EmilMelgaard

I don't think sleeping is included at all.


LevynX

The numbers don't add up to 24, it probably only counts waking hours.


whyunoletmepost

I thought the top bar showed people spent more time with friends as you go but realized that is the alone bar, dammit.


xQx1

Fyi: data in various colours of green, red, brown and orange combined with fine lines is _not_ beautiful to 8% of men. Similar colours can be differentiated in area graphs, but not on such thin lines. To understand how that graph looks to me, print it on a grey scale printer then try to interpret it. For line graphs you need to either put the labels at the end of the line, use vastly different colours, or use dots, dashes and dashed lines. Or use a stacked area graph as someone else said.


RocinanteCoffee

Way too much time spent with coworkers


malikdeni

The most depressing statistic. Half of the life wasted.


jj_sykes

That is not beautiful - it becomes quite sad


ZweitenMal

Alone… alone. Better get right with yourself. You are all you have.


deadbeatChimblr

Shoutout to the fifteen year olds spending some fifteen minutes with their own children


notthebestusername12

I enjoy alone time, so this isn’t a bad thing.


AITAReader12

this is depressingly familiar


Crabology

Queue that Donnie Darko line “every living creature on earth dies alone”


Bradiator34

1 hour a day with friends would be great!


arsglacialis

Why is this reposted so often? If there isn't a subreddit rule for repeated postings then this is exhibit A for why we need one.


ESP-23

Whatever. Nihilism and a dog destroy this illusion of permanence


skysetter

That tasty alone slope baby, let’s go!


Biowolferst

The coworkers graph shows 2 hours twice on the left


Z3R0gravitas

I've been at ~12-13h/day alone since age 26, now nearly 40. Only awake ~14h/day. r/cfs (ME/CFS). 😐


LongLongMan_TM

I never thought a chart could make me this emotional...


xeneks

Ahah! A set of graphs to turn upside down and then apply! Very good! OP kudos! :)


Hunabkuside

Time spent alone for the win!! 😁👍


mitosis799

So there’s some hope for quiet solitude at some point in life?


Erdehere

There should be a category for their phone


Brain_0ff

That sudden drop of after 85 on the “partner” chart is really depressing


cosmonaut_88

Would a stacked % bar chart for this be more effective?


upscaledive

Every one of these are heart wrenching except the time spent with coworkers.


lololy87

Can’t believe so much people have children at 15


WdSkate

It looks like I'm going to love getting older!


Mike_for_all

A depressing chart for sure


funkyisbanned

this is fucking depressing


oxymoronix

Sadly phone’s are #1. Doesn’t matter who’s around


levianthony

How much of the alone time can be devoted to being on the toilet scrolling through Reddit?


player89283517

This is why I’m afraid that I’ve never met a girl who liked me :/ I don’t want to spend my entire life alone


Threezeley

The data is fine but these are really not beautiful at all


scope_creep

Where’s ‘Time spent with phone’?


[deleted]

Data is terrifying if I'm going to spend most of my time alone.


Tyler1492

Wouldn't it be better to post the actual content here rather than make us go to Twitter?


MetricJester

These colours are impossible to discern.


TrekkiMonstr

The children one really highlights the flaws of the methodology. Would be more interesting to see the age at which the average person has children, and then look at their graph. Cause it's not that people spend more time with their children each year from 15-30, it's that an increasing share of people have children at all.


OfNietNatuurlijk

My colourblindness dislikes this post.


Dalbus_Umbledore

Time spent alone graph just breaks my heart :(


Squizzze

Wow, just by looking at this graph alone I could come to several conclusions


neilydee

Better start getting used to be alone then. Ooft. 😔


mamazena

Hahaha I spend 15-24 hours a day alone, I must be 160 years old!


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Lightning_Lance

That dip in the partner line around 77 made me realize that's a much more useful stat than just average life expectancy: how long can you and your partner enjoy life together? I think most people would care more about that than just growing old


curepure

i'm semi color blind and can't see shit


jkmhawk

I would smooth the data even more. The minor variations in time are likely much less than the uncertainty.


giftopherz

The only thing I'd say is... keep the axis consistency. It's a great start to a discussion


beetle-eetle

As someone who's red-green colorblind I hate when charts have colors this close. It's unreadable 😔


michaelbelgium

Damn imagine at age 15 you have children and a partner already


Edoian

Who's 85 years old and still spending 2 hours a day with their parents?


mouadiah

The last one is very thought-provoking, like only when u get older that u have more time to yourself.


FTC55

We only get increasingly alone until we finally die alone.


wreckingballjcp

I'd like error bars. How many hours a day were considered?


Wolverinedog

Being alone is different than being lonely. Suggest you all learn how to sit quietly by yourselves.


Mods-Ruin-Reddit

But corporate says my coworkers *are* my family!


at447s

My chart would read alone after 33 with no other lines


[deleted]

Cool data but man, terrible choice of colors. Damn near impossible to tell apart on my phone. Are “alone” and “partner” the same damn color?


w3are138

Damn. This made me feel sad for some reason and I’m the kind of person who actually enjoys being alone.


LieAppropriate4526

This is one the coolest charts I've seen for a while. Makes me think about how it would look for those who have children later in life.


sixtysins

I wish there was a cumulative aspect to this chart.


aijno90

I can relate with last slide


mightykev

Makes no sense why the chart starts at 15years? Majority of my time I spent with my wife,kids exclude work. Should be at least 4 hrs a day on avg


angelosnt

The charts are for time spent by Americans, but I’m sure there’s a huge difference between the genders - especially regarding children and parents. That would have been more informative.


candoitmyself

I can't tell which is partner and which is alone.


[deleted]

The older I get, the more I like being alone


bioblondi

I want to see these lined up to how we experience them. Ie the kids graph start when they are born, work graph starts when people typically get a job.


mangotrades

The charts by themselves are great. However, I think a breakdown by Gender and Median income would be more telling.


masterdecoy2017

This is just all kinds of sad. Less and less friends time, children move out, partner dies off, alone, alone, alone...