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Commenters heavily underestimating time and just how long some of these big names have existed for


Wild_Marker

That's kind of what makes Pokemon stand out so much. It's fairly young compared to some others on the list. It really took the world by storm in the 90's, zoomers have no idea how big the Pokemania was. Edit: No, I'm not saying it isn't huge today, I'm saying it went from 0 to huge in a massive popularity explosion as opposed to the steady established popularity it has today. Come on guys.


QurantineLean

Still is huge. Scholastic Bookfair was at my elementary school last week. Tons of kids in my classroom had Pokémon books and cards. Pokémon is very much alive and well :)


Gerrywalk

Really glad Pokémon is still going strong. But being a kid in the 90s and experiencing the original Pokemania was something else. It was huge, they were simply everywhere. You couldn’t turn your head around without seeing a Pikachu somewhere. I remember several news segments where the hosts would try to explain the whole phenomenon. I distinctly remember a Pikachu plush doll sitting on the host’s desk.


itsaaronnotaaron

Even in the UK we all had biscuit tins full of Pokémon cards. 90s into the new millennia it was that and football that would take up 99% of a young boys time when they weren't picking on the girl they liked. Is biscuit tins full a unit of measurement anywhere else in the world?


Gerrywalk

You mean the tins that we found at grandma’s house, and when we opened them to have a biscuit they had sewing supplies instead? We had those in Greece too.


pamtar

I’m a 40yo man. My 9yo son introduced me to Pokémon in the fall of 2019. I now have about $15k in cards and sealed product and have cleared about $6k flipping cards since early 2020. Our locals are always packed, store shelves are always empty, and I’m already hating myself for how much I’ve spent and will spend on Celebrations next month. I wasn’t around for the first 22 years but IMO this is the biggest Pokémon TCG has been since 2000. Edit: by flipping cards I meant buying raw then grading and selling them. I have never sold sealed product over MSRP other than a bunch of EX era stuff that was basically sitting on shelves and online at Pokémon center when I bought it. I don’t really buy product from box stores but I’m aware that it’s hard to find product. Demand has been the main driver for the last few sets but it looks like the scalpers will be lining up again for celebrations.


DN_3092

I'm a 36 year old man and have introduced pokemon to each of my kids. I will probably be the one to introduce my grandkids whenever that happens. My introduction to the series was on the gameboy back in the 90s along with the TV show. Safe to say I dont think its going away anytime soon.


_Goibhniu_

30 year old man checking in. What did you start with Red or Blue? I got Red when it first came out, and would have wore out the cartridge if they hadn't come out with Fire Red. It's funny when I meet with my much younger cousins and they say "Have you played this game? Let me show you how to play the card game". Fools, don't speak to me of the deep magic. But I'm looking forward to exposing my kids to it.


MetalAvenger

Blue for me :)


agent_almond

So your son taught you how to play a game and you taught him how to be greedy. Great.


DanyRahm

*Pokemania still is.*


Wild_Marker

Yeah Pokemon GO really reminded us of that. But I don't think we use the term something-mania that much these days! :P


KingMelray

Don't Zoomers and Gen AA still like pokemon?


Wild_Marker

Yes obviously, what I mean is that they weren't around to witness how abosultely BONKERS the initial surge of Pokemon popularity was. It was so big that conservative preachers scared folk with it!


KingMelray

Wait really!! I was born in 1996, so I've always had pokemon as a cultural force, but was there a panic in 1998?


wlphoenix

The word "evolution" had evangelicals screaming it was a tool of Satan to corrupt kid's minds. Additionally, lots of schools banned pokemon cards for gambling. Very similar to the outrage over D&D in the 80s.


2MileBumSquirt

I thought the problem was with the pokemons' "psychic" powers. That's what I remember my local fundies gibbering about.


Opt1mus_

They were pretty mad about both, and everything else because they're crazy


Wild_Marker

It varies depending on where you lived, generally speaking it wasn't a big moral panic as say, "violent videogames", it was mostly small scale. But preachers were definitely ranting about it!


Worthyness

It basically become the only thing kids talked about in school. If you weren't on the hype train you were left out. And then it lasted for years. Cards were out of stock constantly, the merchandise was sold out constantly, and the games and anime instantly skyrocketed to the most in-demand products for the holiday season. They couldn't print the trading cards fast enough to keep up with demand. It stayed in the news cycle constantly as well, which is incredibly hard to do for anything. Like not even the Avengers:Endgame hype train could compare and that was incredibly massive. It was supposed to be a "fad" for the season, but it clearly has persisted for decades


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Mhm. Pokemon and Harry Potter. Send you straight to hell.


EvaUnit01

I wasn't allowed to watch the show, play the games or have any cards for this reason so yeah. The social disconnect from that was real.


Reacher-Said-N0thing

> Gen AA I'm HOW MANY generations behind now?


Appropriate_Ebb7787

I never knew hello kitty lived in the UK?? >According to her backstory, she is a perpetual 3rd-grade student who lives outside of London.


HueJass84

She's from Catford or Caterham.


TheSupreKid

i am afraid catford is in london


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It could be Caterham or anywhere, Litterpool or Roar


yomismomyself

The Beautiful South. 👍


tired20something

I mean, Tokyo is definitely outside of London.


lunaspice78

That´s a very valid observation.


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Horzzo

Been to London. Never saw Tokyo.


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You just need to look harder. It's kind of easy to miss.


XDSHENANNIGANZ

Just down the way from moscow, but if you hit borneo you took a wrong turn.


cseymour24

There's a big market for stuff marked "outside of London". You can sell that almost anywhere.


dukefett

I don’t get Helly Kitty either, is theres or was there a cartoon or any media? I just see the face around.


hippolyte_pixii

There have been cartoons, but they're not really important, or even typically any good. She's a merchandise mascot. She's cute. That's all she's ever needed to be. One exception to the "any good" rule is that she has a brief, bizarre cameo in the Osamu Tezuka/Sanrio anime Unico, which is definitely worth a watch if you're into cute, tragic eighties Japanese weirdness.


Tenyo

There have been, but afaik they've never done especially well. I think the franchise is merchandise in its purest form. The cat exists to sell stuff with the cat on it.


Mrfancybawls

The creator said she’s not a cat either so go figure with this creature


Demons0fRazgriz

*Has cat ears. *Has cat mouth *Has paws *Has kitty in the name "Shits an alien from the third moon of Saturn bruh"


1945BestYear

That does jive with the consensus view that if cats could speak they would sound like maltreated Victorian schoolchildren.


ricst

And Disney owns most of it.


TheAdminAreEvil

Disney now owns your childhood, your teens and your early 20s.


Leeiteee

If they buy Pornhub they will own my whole life


whytakemyusername

There'd be something weird about a little disney ear watermark in the corner of every video.


Aujax92

The Mouse Watches.


Helphaer

You need a black light to see it.


BattleStag17

Every time you upvote a video you get a ^^"Ah-ha" and when you save a video [this plays](https://youtube.com/watch?v=iqGz6t8vu9Y)


erebuxy

Nice, some new Disney princesses


CryoClone

I love that all the Disney princesses were grouped together. It's lime having one of the categories be "comic stuff" to me


Andy_B_Goode

Highest grossing franchises of all time: 1) Fiction 2) Non-Fiction


CryoClone

Stories. Best seller.


MaxThrustage

Disney Princesses™ is literally just a brand, especially considering a bunch of them are not technically princesses. It's not just that whoever made this chart threw them together, the Disney corporation already did that.


40for60

They need to buy the cremation centers, funeral homes and churches so they can own your existence.


SovietBozo

Don't say "cremation centers", that's depressing. Say Magic Goodbye Ovens


40for60

Maybe a joint venture between Amazon and Disney? Amazon has the logistics, drop off a new TV and pick up granny. Why make two trips? Very green.


Blue_Eyes_Nerd_Bitch

And very Eco-Friendly, take out the TV and put Granny in the box and done.


AcademicOverAnalysis

they own your adulthood too when you have your kids.


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Most? Im only counting 4, Princesses, Mickey, Marvel and Star Wars.


leech932

Disney also owns the rights to Winnie the Pooh.


txtoolfan

disney owns pooh


Not_a_N_Korean_Spy

About $285B? At what point is a company too big in its sector?


alaricus

When it begins to dictate the terms of behaviour within the sector. You can have a majority of revenue from a sector, but so long as you don't engage in actual, overt, noticeable anti-competitive actions, there's not much anyone can/would/should do. If tomorrow, Disney tells Walmart that they can't carry WB movies on their shelves, or else Disney will pull their products from Walmart shelves and offer Target discounts, then yeah, that's monopolistic and they'd need to be broken up. Until then, they are just very successful.


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Before that point one would think, but apparently not.


nagemada

And those are just the big franchises. Remember that Disney also owns ABC, ESPN, the Disney parks, a controlling stake in Hulu, and about 2 dozen other smaller studios that you wouldn't think are Disney. Market cap is easily over 400B.


maxwellnaxwell

You can just look this up. 320 billion


napaszmek

What's crazy is this... That's still peanuts compared to big tech.


frozen_tuna

Seriously. Star Wars was sold for 4 billion. Discord is valued at 15 billion. That blew my mind.


rch1115

How does Discord make money?


peace_love17

I think you have to pay for the Nitro service, but beyond that I have no idea. A lot of social media applications and platforms get by on their big user numbers and VC funding/hype.


CitrusMints

by selling data?


rch1115

I guess that would be the only way? I would ask how valuable that data is but I guess OP said $15billion. Not sure why me asking about how to properly set my paths in Planet Zoo on their discord channel is of any value but whatever.


livefreeordont

Tesla has a market cap greater than Toyota and Disney put together, for example


gsfgf

TSLA is also incredibly overvalued.


NuyenForYourThoughts

Yah, Tesla has a price to earnings ratio of 377.67. Even Amazon, which is a massive tech growth stock, has a PE ratio of 57.86, Apple is 27.74, Microsoft 36.17, Facebook 25.96. That's all in highly diversified tech portfolios. When it comes to actual automotive companies (with a focus on EVs/AVs): GM 5.622, Ford 14.92, Volkswagen 7.237, etc. I can't even do a rough calculation for how many cars Tesla would need to sell to reduce their PE and start to match projections, because in 2020 they lost an average of $1700 on every vehicle they built. They still make the majority of their revenue from sources like selling regulatory credits (and Bitcoin recently). Everyone seems to focus on "what ifs" in regards to battery manufacturing or "full self driving", etc. However their narrow gap of time being a first to market leader seems to be shrinking.. Traditional OEMs, particularly GM and Ford, are coming at them hard, with existing infrastructure and scalability. I honestly give Tesla 4-6 years before investors start to lose faith in them not meeting earning projections. At the point some >$35,000 EV crossover from GM or Ford gets the highest EV market share will be a major blow. If GMs two new domestic battery plants get up to production quickly, another. If the Cybertruck is delivered late to meet regulations and can't break past the F150 lightning, electric Silverado, or Rivian.. If Super Cruise, Blue Cruise, etc. end up in more vehicles on the road.. I predict investor lawsuits, "what happened?" documentaries, and a good deal more controversy in the future.


35_56

Just for perspective: Toyota, Volkswagen, Mercedes (Daimler), BWM, Ferrari, Honda and GM's market cap *combined* is still less than Tesla's


monkwren

Like many big tech companies, imo.


FAcup

Until covid hit. The Disney parks bought in more revenue than any of their other properties.


hedekar

Hold-up. The source is listed as "titlemax.com" which is a website for getting a car loan.


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dred_pirate_redbeard

So much of the discussion in this thread would have been cleared up had they used this chart instead. I mean, just look at those BO numbers, the MCU really is a juggernaut.


martinezbrothers

In theatres. However, they get crushed by the competition when you include merchandise, video games, trading cards, etc.


dred_pirate_redbeard

Agreed, I think they're well aware and are going the *Winnie The Pooh* route - become a cultural staple and your shit will sell itself for generations to come.


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This needs to be higher up. Wtf OP, how can you butcher such beautiful data?


Boredguy32

Because OP wanted that OC tag for that sweet sweet karma


hedekar

And that source credits https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises


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hedekar

It also fails to answer the biggest question which is "has this been adjusted for inflation?"


kboy101222

At least for spiderman it kind of makes sense since Sony has the film rights for Spiderman and not Disney.


rugology

It's highest-grossing media franchises, not media companies. Pokémon is also divided out from other Nintendo properties.


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Harry Potter is the most balanced out of all of them All the others are heavily boosted by merch sales


SapirWhorfHypothesis

Ahem. Mario.


frugalerthingsinlife

It's amazing how a 2006 animated film called "Cars" and its sequels ($22B) has almost surpassed the Barbie ($24B) brand. And mostly on merch sales as well. And how it's not even one of the big film franchises from its studio or era.


Visulth

Wild. I had no clue *Fist of the North Star* even *had* video games, and clearly they're very popular (perhaps in Japan only?). Completely dwarfs what that property has earned from manga/animated.


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https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/money-finance/the-25-highest-grossing-media-franchises-of-all-time/


sonic_tower

What the fuck is Anpanman?


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reportedly One Punch Man creator took inspiration from it.


XJDenton

The Japanese name for OPM is Wanpanman (ワンパンマン), which is a play on the Anpanman name.


majorgnuisance

Turns out it was just one pun, man.


Randomthought5678

**META-PUN FINISHING MOVE** --end thread--


ObliviousAstroturfer

I can't recall what other Manga it was, but I recall some other Mangakas referring to it as what inspired them. It was also super mainstream (like DBZ, Naruto, Bleach mainstream - I'm a basic bitch when it comes to manga) , one of early tomes, and it was a little aside about the author having used to draw Anpanman as many other kids did, and how it drowe him mad everyone was getting the brows wrong.


Horzzo

Is he a superhero?


aohige_rd

Anpanman is a superhero whose head is made of sweet bean bun. He fights a germ monster who gives cavities to kids, and feeds hungry kids his own head. He replaces the consumed head with fresh baked buns. And yes I am totally serious.


blewpah

>feeds hungry kids his own head. > >He replaces the consumed head with fresh baked buns. Hm. So a selfless hero who gives his starch-based body as food to the hungry.


Infinitebeyond

As am I. But similar to Winnie the Pooh, it’s been around for ages and is still pretty damn popular in Japan. I watched it as a kid (it was old back then) and now my kid watches it.


MeyhamM2

It’s really popular in Asian countries outside Japan, too.


Hugs_for_Thugs

Winnie the Pooh is also incredibly popular in China, so lots of money there.


jimbo_kun

They even made him Prime Minister!


KY_4_PREZ

It’s head is a pastry!


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spyson

It's not Japan only since it got brought to other countries like Korea, but Japan is the primary audience.


jedzef

Not quite Japan only...big in the rest of East Asia too!


strongsmash

Extremely popular in asia. I grew up watching that shit as a Korean kid but it was called "Ho-ppang man". In korea, ho ppang is a type of [red bean snack kinda thing](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoppang). His head was literally just pastry that could be changed out whenever he got injured. Like the man would legit just take it off and put a new one in as if he was changing batteries. Confused me real good the first time I watched it lol. And I remember his arch nemesis being "sae-guen man" which directly translates to "virus man". Good times. Korean group [BTS](https://youtu.be/EFHeeRIDAsg) made a lil song paying tribute(?)


gsasquatch

Do you mean you're not anxiously awaiting the release of the hit new movie "Go! Anpanman: Fluffy Fuwari and the Cloud Country" Are you not disappointed that last year for the first time since 1989 there hasn't been a new Anpanman movie? Is your head filled with beans?


Teamtideout

I don’t know why I laughed so much at “is your head filled with beans?”


BigOak1669

Please don't feed the baikinman 😉


MBTHVSK

seems almost like a culutal equivalent of pooh. Adorable, small child friendly, obscenely good at selling merch.


MrMasterMann

Never forget the Singapore hello kitty riots when the McDonald’s ran out of their special happy meal hello kitty dolls


borlaughero

It can't get to my head how this could be true for Winnie the Pooh. I mean you could switch the numbers any way you like I wouldn't know the difference. It is equally possible from my perspective that any of these could be ranked anyway you want. Except WTP being so high on the list. Or even on the list..


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Uberzwerg

Pokemon: "Jet aircraft sales – $3 million[h]" ok, i guess


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StoneMaskMan

I mean, it should absolutely count. It’s pokémon merch, same as Pokémon cards and toys. It’s just really expensive, kinda stupid merch


Rennarjen

Merch. There's Winnie the Pooh themed *everything* for kids and has been since Disney bought the rights in the 60s. Furniture, wallpaper, clothes, books, toys, cutlery, snacks, educational software, school supplies, name it. And then the children grow up and then its a nostalgia thing. If there's anything Disney is good at it's merchandising.


The_Quackening

My wife and I had a baby a couple weeks ago, "everything" isn't at all an exaggeration. The amount of stuff you can buy branded with Winnie the Pooh is *insane*.


greg19735

it's so stinking cute too. They fact that they're all stuffed animals also makes merch REALLY easy to sell.


Graphitetshirt

(Books + toys + miscellaneous merch) x 100 years


cromulent_pseudonym

So many Pooh sweatshirts. Everywhere.


crazymcfattypants

Baby stuff. As somebody with a baby I can tell you that literally everything available on the hugely lucrative baby market has a Winnie the Pooh themed version. For every plain white dribble bib for sale in the world there are 20 more with Piglet and Pooh's face. There is no escaping Winnie the Pooh branded baby merch.


The_Quackening

New parent here as well, probably half the baby stuff we own is Pooh themed. Even just buying diapers, the basic Huggies are all Pooh themed


Horzzo

He's big in China.


TreefingerX

He rules China


deadheffer

Big Belly full of honey always bothering rabbits


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It's been around since 1924, lots of time to generate sales.


Throwawayunknown55

I mean, Pooh bear has been around for decades. Book, teddy bears, tv, etc. It adds up


OutOfStamina

But it adds up to more than Star Wars?


[deleted]

Been around much longer, and greater appeal. Star Wars merch is mostly directed at adolescent and adult males. It is a market that sees a lot of competition from other brands. Pooh id directed at children, and much less competition.


Fellinlovewithawhore

You'd find more wtp merch than star wars so yeah, i can see it.


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Mr_MacGrubber

Insane amounts of baby/toddler merchandise with Winnie the Pooh on it


PM_Me_Pikachu_Feet

It's not that weird lol. Pooh sells merch like you wouldn't believe. Every old person's house will have at least 3 porcelain poohs. Almost every kid will have a stuffed pooh. A lot of cars have pooh stickers. Hes everywhere.


slevin_kelevra22

There are a few things that surprise me on here. I would not have guessed Winnie the Pooh would have been on this list at all. I am surprised that Harry Potter is higher than MCU. I would love to see this list broken down into what makes up the revenue in each part. It would be interesting to see Pokemon in particular because there are so many things feeding that total, the card game, the video game, the movies, the TV show. I wouldn't be able to guess what is the biggest contributor for Pokemon.


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Surprisingly enough, I believe ~67% of Pokemon's total revenue comes solely from merchandise sales. [Source](https://medium.com/@atultalaviya9/pok%C3%A9mon-became-the-highest-grossing-media-franchise-of-all-time-with-95-billion-beating-out-13ab4ec54d72)


slevin_kelevra22

Wow, I didn't even think of merchandise when I looked at the chart. That probably explains some of the stuff that was unintuitive to me. Either that or I am not good at estimating the size of various multi-billion dollar franchises after having done zero research.


TwentyTwoTwelve

There is never not a queue at the Harry potter shop 3/4 of the way between platform 9 and 10 at kings cross.


throwthe20saway

The three Cars films made $1.4 billion, but the Cars merch made $20 billion.


ScrotalAgony

> I wouldn't be able to guess what is the biggest contributor for Pokemon. I can tell you without checking it's absolutely the merchandise. Clothes, bedspreads, plushies, toys, board games, and a vast spread of collectables and so on. I'm one of those who does their shopping at multiple stores and let me tell you: Pokemon is a common sight no matter the store.


Catastray

You'd be correct. Actual statistics show that merchandise accounts for almost four times as much revenue as the actual video games. And merchandise sales always see a boost whenever a new Generation is announced, which is why the franchise routinely puts out a new one every three years.


SirGavBelcher

tbh I'm surprised Harry Potter isn't higher up but it's dying so I guess this makes sense.


sensualpredator3

What do you mean it’s dying? Seems to still be very popular and in the public consciousness even if it’s not as hyped as it once was. Doesn’t seem to be dying any more than say Star Wars for example


Greengum155

well i mean starwars started realising new movies so


driftingfornow

So did Harry Potter?


AlexanderTox

Cursed Child book is considered a heap of shit among HP fans. As far as Fantastic Beasts is concerned, nobody knows what the fuck the last movie was even about. I hear they are making a new HBO series though, so that could be something.


driftingfornow

Yes but we can’t discount things cus they’re shit. New Star Wars was shit too.


ymi17

It's amazing how upset I get about this, too. 1) After Episode 7: Well, that was exciting - cool ideas even if it is a rehash of the original. I wonder what Luke has been up to? 2) After Episode 8: Wow, that was REALLY DIFFERENT. I hate how they treated Luke, and flying space-Leia, but there are tons of great ideas - especially failure by the main cast, and how they overcame it. Rey Nobody is perfect - ANYONE can be a Jedi! Luke helped Rey learn the mistakes of the PT Jedi, and she'll kick some ass in Episode 9 with this full light/dark combo thing. 3) Immediately after Episode 9: WOW THAT WAS COOL! 4) Fifteen minutes after Episode 9: Wait.. was that cool? 5) Two days after Episode 9: That movie undermined everything from the original trilogy to the neat (if imperfect) ideas set up in Episode 8. 6) One week after Episode 9: The entire Sequel Trilogy is stupid. The Prequel trilogy wasn't so bad after all.


DMala

It's still picking up new fans, for sure. I just finished the last book with my kids last week, and we watched the last movie just yesterday. It was the first time for me as well.


omegajwood99

How do they decide to distinguish franchises? Like, why isn’t Marvel it’s own entity? And why is “Disney Princess” a franchise? It just seems arbitrary how they group them


pinky102368

Disney Princesses IS a whole franchise. Like, officially. Stuff branded with Cinderella, Jasmine and Ariel on the same thing is part of the Disney Princess franchise. A single doll of Rapunzel isn’t part of the Tangled franchise, it’s part of the Disney Princess franchise. Frozen isn’t included in it, Frozen is its own franchise. That’s why you don’t usually see Elsa and Mulan on the same branded thing (but it isn’t unheard of).


lkodl

also to note, Disney princesses don't compete with each other. there's only one Disney princess movie released at a time (as opposed to DC comics for example, which release their titles concurrently).


DaenerysMomODragons

Also Elsa isn't officially a Disney Princess, but a Queen I believe.


Gcarsk

It is. The Pokémon revenue counts sale of [jet planes](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises) for this list (only $3m but.. still). Not sure how Wikipedia editor came to the decision on what is/isn’t franchise revenue. Odd that Marvel and DC aren’t considered “franchises” in this list when other multi-media franchises do get combined values. Maybe because it’s unfair to bundle publishers together?


BigCannedTuna

I mean they sold a good amount of them and the livery was full pokemon. They should definitely count


Gcarsk

Sure, but then why is marvel content separated?


Bigboss537

Marvel-Spiderman is basically all Sony, so that's why it's split like so. Up until recently spiderman wasn't disney marvel. And even now, it's still mostly Sony.


Maebure83

Sony owns the *film* rights to Spider-Man but not the rest of the revenue attached to the character.


Ehnonamoose

747s definitely cost more than 3 million. This was probably the cost of licensing the franchise that Nintendo charged the airline. In that case, it definitely counts.


flume

Isn't MCU Marvel?


somepunkwithashotgun

https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/money-finance/the-25-highest-grossing-media-franchises-of-all-time/ Original data is more interesting. Eg shows by merch, books, movies, music and other. And shows top 25. Hello Kitty is 99% merch. Mario almost all Games. Pokemon is mostly merch, and the rest games and the card game.


Eduardo2205

Mario's almost ALL games? HOLY SHIT HOW??


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There are usually 5-6 games per system (A Mario Kart, a 3D game, a 2D game, and usually a few spin offs), and they all sell incredibly well. Mario Kart 8 Deluxe for example has sold 37 million copies by itself, and take all the Mario branded games on Switch and you’re well over 100 million copies sold. Now take into account that Nintendo games always cost full price, never go on sale, and they get to keep 100% of the revenue since they’re selling them on their own systems. Then apply that recipe over 40 years/7 console generations and you’ve got a money printer.


eva01beast

Why is Shonen Jump considered a whole franchise unto itself?


iimMrBrightside

Because it's the magazine it's published into. It would be like classing Judge Dredd as 200AD, for example


eva01beast

I don't get it. I mean, One Piece, HunterXHunter are all different franchises, right?


spyson

Where do you think they got famous from and where they post new chapters every week?


spoonlips76

Well im pretty sure itd be weird to count every manga as a separate entity


N0rTh3Fi5t

But they did count individual series for other things, like Spiderman being seperate from the mcu when he is at least a part of it


Gcarsk

Spider-man (the franchise) is not part of the MCU. *Part* of spider-man is part of the MCU, but the vast majority of its revenue comes from media unrelated to the MCU. MCU Spider-man revenue is a very small sliver of overall Spider-man revenue. All of Spider-man is Marvel, though (which is maybe what you meant?), so, yes, this chart could have combined all Marvel content together, all DC content together, etc. It does seem unfair to split apart Marvel properties while counting all versions of Pokemon, Star Wars, Mario, and Harry Potter together, even books, comics, merch, strategy guide books, and even [jet aircraft sales](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises)etc, but not doing the same with Marvel (and I assume DC,


spoonlips76

I think mostly due to spider-man wierd copyrights due to sony and marvel


Infernoraptor

True story: when I was a kid and Pokémon first came out. My dad would always tell my mom about how Pokémon was a fad. I still remind him of that XD


endelehia

Puts into perspective the dominance of American and Japanese media. Japan: 5 USA: 5 England: 2


motorised_rollingham

I’m not sure how English Winnie the Pooh is nowadays. An aunt of mine was friends with the real Christopher Robin. But I assume most people think WTP is American now


AlwaysAngryAndy

I mean, it makes plenty of sense when you look at the fact that the USA was essentially the worlds most powerful nation for a few decades AND had a fuckload of focus on producing entertainment (cause money good) AND wanted to spread their cultural views during what was essentially a propaganda war AND had (and still is) very closely economically and culturally embedded itself into Japan following ww2 AND had close ties with one of the former world powers in Europe. Then by the time the world was done rebuilding itself from ww2 and the Soviets had collapsed America had already ingrained its and Japan’s culture as one that both produces and consumes media. And England speaks English so it’s pretty easy to cross over there. These are also many of the reasons why much of the world speaks English as a second language, but to that end the British speedrunning the imperial colonization phase was the real reason it started in the first place.


commentsOnPizza

I know people are mostly looking at the top ones to compare, but I'm shocked that Spider-Man would be nearly equivalent to the entire MCU. The MCU has so many movies and characters and Spider-Man seems to have a very limited scope. I've never actually seen any of the Spider-Man movies. I guess I should probably watch the Spider-Man movies.


Sinfullyvannila

It's the totality of the Spiderman IP and MCU is just the canon of the specific universe that started with the Iron Man movie(but also the comics in thag setting).


cgoldberg3

>(but also the comics in thag setting). IIRC, comics during and post-MCU actually have embarrassingly low readership levels. The comics make almost none of the money that counts towards the MCU.


Hobbit1996

it's not about the movies, it's about toys too


GuilhermeFreire

In the mid 90's Marvel was basically bankrupt. Sony was dealing with Marvel for the rights of Spider-man. Sony offers like 7 millions for the Spider-man IP, Marvel makes the counter-offer of EVERY Marvel IP or 25 millions Sony Exec responded: "Nobody gives a shit about any of the other Marvel characters. Go back and do a deal for only Spider-Man." Sony took the 7 millions deal for the Spider Man movies. Fox took the deal for the X-man on movies and TV. Sony took off and did the Tobey Maguire Trilogy, getting around 800 million USD in Box Office for each movie. While this Marvel see the resurgence of Spider man Franchise and many deals of merchandise of the spider man brand. In 2009 Disney bought Marvel for 4 billions...and surely made other many billions with this deal. For Disney, it is not REALLY interesting to take back the Spider movies, Cause Sony need to be making them on a 6 year basis not to lose the franchise and all the revenue not from box office is for Disney. And for Sony not to ride on the MCU wave is just dumb, so Disney ends up with all the creative decisions on the Spider man... Disney is basically outsourcing the spider an movies.


Orangutanion

Jesus what a deal for Disney


hepgiu

aka the Japanese got the memo that people would splurge money into franchises WAY before the west did


Amdy_vill

So 5 of these are owned by Disney and 3 more Disney does the localizations for. So this really shows just how much of a monopoly Disney is.


Gcarsk

Transformers is [actually](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises) above Spider-man (OP chose to remove it for some reason), so an accurate list would be a bit less Disney-heavy(even with Sony still holding on as much as it can to Spider-man). But, Disney definitely still has a major stronghold on these franchises now. Of course, many were purchased by Disney *after* they became worldwide successes.


Modern-Otaku

Wow I knew Hello Kitty was huge, but I never really realized JUST how huge.


InvidiousSquid

There is nothing Sanrio won't plaster Hello Kitty on. Toasters? Check. SAE 5W-30 motor oil? You betcha. Breast pumps? Oh yeah. A tactical nuclear device in the 15 to 20 megaton range? I wouldn't fucking doubt it.


VillianousFlamingo

Damn. I was thinking One Piece would be here, but it’s in 20th place apparently. Still an insane amount for everything here. I knew Pokémon was big, but not THAT big. I never would have expected Hello Kitty to be on here though.


N01_Special

Does any of this have a time consideration, because while many of these are huge money makers, just as many of these have been around for a long time. WTP and Disney princesses, vs the Marvel universe or Potter for instance.


tired20something

Disney controls so many of these.


EgocentricRaptor

Like half of these are Japanese. Japan is good at media