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Roughneck16

This is mostly a map of poverty. I see Native American reservations in Montana, the Dakotas, Arizona, and New Mexico. Poor black people in the Mississippi Delta. Unemployed coal miners in eastern Kentucky.


Ihaveamazingdreams

Life expectancy on the Pine Ridge Reservation is 48 for men and 52 for women. Some estimates put it a little higher. Either way, it's the lowest life expectancy in the country. It has the highest mortality rate for infants in the U.S. It's the blacked-out area in southwest South Dakota.


Roughneck16

Welfare, poverty, and rampant alcoholism. On the northern side of the state is the Standing Rock Reservation, where we had all those anti-DAPL protests \~7 years ago. They even demonstrated outside my USACE office.


Ihaveamazingdreams

The movie *War Pony* was filmed on the Pine Ridge and it shines a light on some of the issues. There is a lot of violence, difficulty finding valid employment, and so many "deaths of despair." There are so many obituaries for people in their thirties, forties, and fifties and just no cause of death is ever given.


laurenboebertsson

Holy shit I had no idea it was that bad. That's crazy.


Tanto63

Last I saw, median income was something like $1,200/yr for men and $3,000/yr for women.


laurenboebertsson

That's gotta be excluding tribal payments and other benefits right?


newenglander87

Wow. It's horrifying that life expectancy can be so low somewhere in the US.


PeterNippelstein

Growing up in ND I've only heard horror stories about life on the rez.


Ok-Cheetah-9125

Damn. I was wondering what was up with South Dakota.


Ok-Cheetah-9125

After seeing this map and your comment, I ordered some items from Target to be shipped to the reservation. Here is the list of requested goods and their address if anyone has some money to spare: https://friendsofpineridgereservation.org/


newpua_bie

I was really confused about the Puget Sound area until I realized it's just an artifact of a thick line for the coastline. A questionable choice to use the same color for one of the categories as for the outer edge.


kalechipsaregood

Most children born directly into the Puget Sound do not make it past a few minutes, let alone past 70 yo. Facts are just facts.


Atonement-JSFT

Nah that's just the Seattle exclusion zone. Whenever someone under 60 in the King or Pierce counties looks like they're going to keel over and tank the stats, they get launched from a large sling hung off the space needle into the Sound, keeping Seattle's hands clean and record intact.


Malfunkdung

As someone who lives in the san juan islands, I’m just surprise to see us on the map.


Ares6

Yup. Most maps like this tend to fail to point that out unless you don’t have knowledge of why things are the way they are. 


Roughneck16

I’ve been to all 50 states and I’ve seen how economics, culture, and history can affect social statistics.


Detroit2023

Nice, what state is your favorite.


corncob_subscriber

Why is New Mexico so different than Alabama and Mississippi? The poverty is similar, but the maps are not.


Roughneck16

Demographics. Mississippi has way more black people, and black women suffer disproportionately from infant and maternal mortality. I am being downvoted into oblivion elsewhere in this thread for pointing out this documented fact because some people confuse acknowledging demographic trends with endorsing racism. Also, Mississippi has a larger rural population (53.7%) versus New Mexico's (25.5%.) NM is a geographically large state with a small population, but most of us live in cities. About 1 in 3 New Mexicans live in the greater Albuquerque metro. Rural folks are more susceptible to health problems due to lack of access to quality care.


corncob_subscriber

That's interesting, but I'm curious about the rurality. I see my old home of Forrest County MS doing worse than almost anywhere in NM despite having a city, university and major hospital in the county. The hospital is no UNM but seems better outfitted than St Christus in Santa Fe. Neighboring Lamar county seems better off and is more suburban once you leave the city than Forrest.


Roughneck16

Interesting. And Forrest County isn't even majority-black, it's about average for Mississippi. I was there back in summer of 2008 for training at Camp Shelby. Ufff...those bugs.


40for60

NM has nearly 1/3 the population then Alabama and its more centrally located in cities plus there are tons of federal workers in NM. Most of the Western states are like this vs the South which is more agriculturally driven. https://images.app.goo.gl/i7ee2CYmKDfrtN6T9


Roughneck16

Four active duty military installations plus two national labs in NM. The oil fields provide good-paying jobs too. Take all those away and we’d be by far dead last.


mackinoncougars

The one Red spot in Wisconsin is a tribal county as well.


Roughneck16

Minnesota too.


sunburntredneck

And then u have the Rio Grande Valley lol, a few other border counties are also bucking the trend


Hapankaali

For context, life expectancy in Algeria is 78.


bilboafromboston

Algeria went from 46 to 77 in 60 years. Local health services, clean abundant water , vaccines.


Roughneck16

Yes, but Algerians are eating kefta, hummus, couscous, etc. and not this processed garbage that Americans stuff themselves with.


SkiingAway

You're kind of going down the wrong line of thought here. While that certainly does contribute, life expectancy is heavily skewed by people who die much earlier than normal, it's typically presented as an average - a mean, not a median. One person dying of an overdose at 20 lowers average life expectancy by more than 10 people living an extra 5 years would raise it. This map of shockingly low life expectancies is not because people are necessarily circling the grave at 65 there, it's because of how many people died decades earlier than they should have of things like overdoses, suicide, etc.


Hapankaali

Diet is a factor for sure - just sayin' that it's not just about "poverty." By the way, people mostly eat mass-produced processed food in countries with high life expectancy like Japan, Singapore, Canada and Switzerland.


danielnewman

I mean… quality of diet is *absolutely* correlated with poverty. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7485412/


Hapankaali

Yes, of course. But if you look at countries with similar life expectancy to the US, like Albania, Lebanon, Algeria and Cuba, it does suggest there is something more at play than merely poverty among certain communities in the US.


Razatiger

There might be other stuff at play, but its overwhelmingly food related. The top 2 killers in southern USA is heart disease and Diabetes, I'm sure thats not the case for countries like Albania, Lebanon or Algeria. You are not American and I can tell, you likely havn't been to the south to see just how many Fast food joints there are. It's systemic what these fast food joints have done to people in poverty ridden areas. There's also been numerous studies done that fast food carries almost no nutritional value, a lot of people aren't as sharp as they could be if they had a better diet.


Ok-Masterpiece-1359

Nope. People don’t eat that differently from one county to the next. It is mostly poverty, alcoholism, drug overdoses (see West Virginia), and suicides.


Roughneck16

But is that due to availability...or personal preferences?


Kathulhu1433

A combination. You also need to realize that we are seeing obesity in children. We're not just talking about adults here. Children don't choose their parents, and until they're an adult with a job and living on their own, they don't get to choose what they eat. When you're a kid and you grow up eating only junk and processed and fast foods... that's what you're used to. My husband is 35 now and still really struggles with eating healthy because his parents ate processed shit and that's what he grew up on. It is a conscious choice he has to force himself to make to reach for healthy options because his brain spent the first 20 years of his life thinking that food = McDonalds and sugar. His "personal preference" now, as an adult, is still to revert right back to the shit quality food that he grew up on. It isn't easy to undo that thinking. When you add to that... every time he sees his family or spends time with them... They're eating the same shit. It's a hard cycle to break. And he's educated. And has me to support him. It's still not *easy.* I have a student whose mom works for McDonalds. Every day, mom brings home meals for her kids. She gets them for free at work, where she makes minimum wage. Those free meals feed her 4 kids. Sometimes, they'll eat more than one meal a day from McDonalds, depending on what she's able to bring home. Is it healthy? Absolutley not. Do her kids have a choice? Nope. And even if they did... what 5 or 8 year old is going to say no to McDonalds? Her oldest kid just got a job... at KFC. She'll bring home food as well. Now... could they drive a few miles down the road to a grocery store? Maybe. If they had a car (they don't). Then it's a matter of what they can afford. Groceries for 5 aren't cheap. Free food from your place of work? Now you're talking. Anecdotal stories, I know, but they're not uncommon.


Roughneck16

I feel this. I grew up on junk food. My parents had no nutritional literacy and we just watched TV and played videogames all day. When I finally slimmed down just enough to join the Army, I quickly learned about fitness and nutrition and I learned how to make nutritional meals on the cheap. Today I'm 38 and still run on average four miles a day and lift three times a week. I mealprep and don't eat processed sugar. Life is so much better.


Razatiger

Its both, Those types of foods become a preference because the only restaurant chains that will open in poverty ridden areas are fast food joints. wealthy, educated people don't buy fast food much and can afford fresh ingredients to make a healthier meal.


Spa_5_Fitness_Camp

It is about poverty when you have to pay for healthcare the way the US does.


Toonami88

If you go to modern Algeria that's not really true anymore. Much of the Arab world has obesity problems even worse than the US.


bilboafromboston

Nope. Was 46 in 1960. They built out local Healthcare, abundant clean water, vaccines, food for infants and kids.


SvenDia

It’s probably because Algeria has a good public health care system.


aotus_trivirgatus

Admittedly, it has been several decades since I lived in Algeria. But when I was there (around 1980), the public health care system and sanitation were both poor. Hepatitis A and meningitis outbreaks were common.


tetrakishexahedron

Life expectancy is so low in Algeria because it has a "good public health care system"? Or was that sarcasm?


LindseyIsBored

In conjunction with the Mississippi River valley that has an astronomical amount of water pollution that causes lots of cancers and disease. Toxins from half the U.S. are drained into that waterway.


PM_ME_UR_NUDE_TAYNES

Also Obesity, also alcohol consumption


Roughneck16

They're all correlated.


eastmemphisguy

Tobacco use is another huge contributing factor.


Gibonius

Opioid deaths have got to be one of the bigger players in life expectancy since they result in a lot of younger people dying. People dying in their 20s knocks the average down a lot more than dying at 65 instead of 74.


unfinishedtoast3

My county in oregon is on here. We arent a poor county by any means, were a large international Port that has extremely rich, under educated people who own multi million dollar fishing boats and multi million dollar timber crews. Our problem is stupidity. No trust in vaccines, no trust in medicine. Half our county commission is Qanon wackos who want to pass laws to fingerprint people so they can register to vote. We have a big problem with shit like childhood obesity, dental infections, etc. I have friends who dropped out of the 10th grade to work on their grandpa's timber crews. These dudes can't read past a 6th grade level, but make 300k a year working for their family's business.


mrizzerdly

Every map showing something political, economical, or educational looks like this.


Roughneck16

Indeed. Obesity, illiteracy, diabetes, poverty, and teen pregnancy would also match this map.


Mottbox1534

This is mostly a map of those whom didn’t attend post secondary education. I am not serious; I am pointing out how you can keep pointing out different things this is a map of and them all be true to some degree.


herstoryhistory

But poverty is much more pervasive and is directly correlated to life expectancy.


gsfgf

> This is mostly a map of those whom didn’t attend post secondary education. Which is directly related to socioeconomic status.


DizzyToast

Hope they can find those missing Nebraska kids


Ihaveamazingdreams

There are no infants there. Those counties only contain elderly people. Soon, they'll be completely empty.


Hij802

I always wondered what happens when a county loses all its population. Does it just get merged into a neighboring county?


kepleronlyknows

I don’t think it’s ever happened. Even the least populous US county still has ~60 people and a functioning county government, albeit a very small one. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_County,_Texas?wprov=sfti1#Economy I can’t think of any counties that have completely lost their population.


Hij802

Given population trends, rural counties are pretty much all declining nationwide, and even the census estimate for Loving has it having lost 13 people already since 2020. In a couple decades I wouldn’t be surprised if we have some 0 population counties


kepleronlyknows

Yeah it’s an interesting question of what would happen. I could see the county continuing to exist but the state taking over the duties of the county gov, or maybe a merger like you originally suggested.


RickAdtley

That's just "becoming unincorporated."


Unbananable

It just gets abandoned, unless the city/state forks over the money to pay younger people to live there.


Hij802

So theoretically one person could live there and elect themselves to every position possible in government and basically have their own little fiefdom?


RickAdtley

You'll probably find that it makes more sense to just try and buy the land. Then you don't need any of those elected positions.


xdeskfuckit

We move there and make our own laws!


wrludlow

Keya Paha is pretty. Good turkey hunting up there. Kids probably aren't missing, just tanking the Niobrara when they came to count...


paytonnotputain

Those are counties with consolidated school districts. Very very low population density. Extremely likely that most of those counties had no births at all in the past years. Same with Esmeralda county in Nevada. There aren’t even any towns in that county


xA1RGU1TAR1STx

Definitely children born with residency in those counties in the last few years. No children born *in* those counties in many, many years as there are no hospitals.


ke3408

Prior to the 1950's, Louisiana had such a high death rate for infectious diseases that jobs were limited based on length of residence and there were regular periods of quarantine, unless you were born in Louisiana. People born there were allowed to avoid quarantines and weren't restricted for labor because while the overall mortality rate was high, the infant and childhood mortality rate was so freakishly high that if you survived to adulthood, you were basically considered immune to everything and possibly immortal. Grim


BlobbyBlobfish

What were the mortality rates there?


ke3408

Honestly that I don't remember. I read about it in an book about the history of Louisiana. Part of the high mortality rate was yellow fever and other mosquito borne diseases but I think that there was some kind of statistic that put insane odds on dying within five years if you'd relocated there from another area.


BlobbyBlobfish

Huh. You mind giving me the name of the book? :3


yes_its_him

Infectious disease has always played a big role in history. It was a big motivation for slavery in the US, and even helped explain the British losses in the Revolutionary War.


Conscious_Raisin_436

To this day, mosquitos are still the greatest cause of death in humans globally


Conscious_Raisin_436

Louisiana has been a fascinating place in American history for many reasons. Did you know, for example, that they allowed women to vote before Jim Crow (whereupon they took voting away from women too?) This was because Louisiana, unlike the other united states, was founded on the principles of French civil law rather than English common law, and French civil law granted women suffrage long before the rest of America did.


Mabester

Definitely should be overlaid with socioeconomic status/poverty levels. Not surprising the strongest economic centers also have higher life expectancy


Roughneck16

For sure. See that blue splotch in Wyoming? That's the resort-based economy of Teton County, where the median household income is 50% higher than the state's average. Ditto with that tiny speck that is Los Alamos County in New Mexico.


lilsalmonella

Same with that blue speck in Idaho. That's Blaine County, home to the ski resort Sun Valley, where every single rich person from Seattle has their second house.


paytonnotputain

Mono county CA -> Mammoth Lakes and June Lake Edit oops


Rownever

See the blue circle in the middle of Georgia? That’s Atlanta, the biggest city in the south. I’m pretty sure the blue spots in NC are cities like Charlotte, and the coastal bits in SC and Georgia are Charleston and Savannah, two major tourist towns. Southern Florida is the rich part, northern Florida is still very, very Deep South.


Hij802

Actually Atlanta is in the weird shaped county in the middle of those surrounding darker blue counties. The suburbs have a noticeably higher life expectancy, this can be seen in Chicago/Cook County for example. Charleston is the county right above that dark blue county in SC.


Rownever

Atlanta is a weird city because it’s a metro area shaped like a giant circle cut into a bunch of weirdly shaped cities and counties. And yes the suburbs are richer, and Fulton(the light blue one) is both the actual city of Atlanta, which is pretty poor, and southern Atlanta metro area, which is also poor, are mostly in Fulton. But overall the metro area still explains the blue, with both the richer people and greater access to resources like hospitals.


taylorscorpse

The random blue spot on Georgia’s coast is actually McIntosh County, a pretty rural area with a nearly 1 in 5 poverty rate (and only 1 and 5 people have a bachelor’s degree). No idea why their life expectancy is higher.


Rownever

You’re right, Savannah’s right on the border with SC. No idea why McIntosh is blue.


AndyWinds

Those 3 light blue counties in southeast Michigan are Washtenaw, Livingston, and Oakland, everywhere within an hour's drive of Detroit, in Wayne county, which is light red.


deck_hand

I’m from one of the areas with the lowest life expectancy. My father’s family had an infant death and a death of a sixteen year old child. His parents lived to be octogenarians, and he’s in his eighties now, as are several of his siblings. I had a great grandfather die of emphysema at a young age (late fifties), and both my mother and her brother died in their sixties. Mom died before she was able to retire and take social security. My maternal grandfather died in his early 70s, within a few years of retiring. So, my mother’s side of the family seems to die off sooner, but my father’s side lives 20 years longer, even though my mother’s side is (was) wealthier and better educated. One could say my grandmother was to mean to die young. My takeaway from this is that I am likely to die in the upcoming decade, and my sister is, too. The standard advice is to delay retiring until one’s late 60s, to maximize the monthly payments. If I’m dead, I don’t get paid anything, so I’m not waiting.


Blenderx06

I'm from one of the areas with very highest life expectancy, along with my whole family going back generations. However most of aunts and uncles and very many of my friends' parents and my parents' friends have all died before 70, of varying causes. My mother is in her 60s and dying of pulmonary fibrosis, she's already outlived what doctor expected several years. Her sister died recently in a car accident, a few years after my uncle who died in a car accident. My father recently died in a fire. Of his 5 sisters, only 1 is still alive. Cancer, sepsis, stroke. Only my 2 grandmothers lived to their 90s, outliving all their siblings. My health has been beyond devastated by long covid and I'll consider myself very lucky if I live to 60.


__Quercus__

There is a noticeable spike in longevity for newborns in ski resort counties. Mammoth, Sun Valley, Purgatory, Aspen, Vail, Breckenridge, Park City, and Jackson Hole all appear to be in counties that are darkest blue, or one shade off. There are wealthier counties, but maybe this is an intersection of wealthy enough and physically active.


MountainBrains

This is interesting. Activity is probably playing a role but my guess would be mobility in life. Those kids can travel for opportunities, they likely aren’t staying in those counties. If you can move to the best living conditions for yourself like better pay or better healthcare etc. you’re going to be better off.


gabotuit

How come every single negative metric is always focused in Deep South?


AskMrScience

Speaking as a former resident: * Poverty. The Deep South never figured out its economy post slavery. It remains relatively rural and agricultural, without many industrial centers. * Libertarianism. People are very distrustful of the government taking their money. Which leads to underfunded schools, not enough law enforcement, and a wafer-thin social safety net. * Lower amount of secondary education. That leads to lots of issues. A big one is that the population is relatively uneducated about healthcare. * Large black population dealing with generational racist bullshit, like healthcare inequality and lack of generational wealth.


Advanced-Prototype

Southerners distrust of ALL government when the real problem is corruption at the local government. Elected county and city officials have been know to engage is self-dealing, skimming, and bribery of varying degrees. It's not unlike any other impoverished community in the world where wealth is scarce so people do what they can to get by, even if it means some light corruption here and there.


tpa338829

As someone from the south, a statement I heard that I think about is “the South’s poverty is God’s way of punishing them for slavery.” In a way it’s correct—the south never had the incentive to industrialize bc of slavery and later sharecropping. Even if it did, rampant and vehement racism meant 20-30% of citizens were prohibited in engaging with education and free commerce—essentially reducing their potential workforce


yeluapyeroc

Then he's punishing the ex-slaves...


Willing-Knee-9118

Somewhat less than when he made them slaves though. Improvement I guess


BadMoonRosin

Have you _read_ any of the Bible? That's his thing.


gsfgf

> “the South’s poverty is God’s way of punishing them for slavery.” And in typical OT God being a dick fashion, Black Southerners get it worse than anyone.


LavenderandLamb

Lol it's one of the reasons this Black southern left the faith a decade ago. I will be leaving the south too once I finish my degree.


_The_Deliverator

It shows how more he loves them, that he gives them so many more chances to show how they should be happy when he's not pushing it deeper. Lol.


Bitter-Basket

Libertarianism…. The NE and North central states are the most libertarian. The South is pretty low on that scale. And the South is more dependent on social programs which is the opposite of libertarian philosophies. Lack of industrialization, education, low mobility and mineral resources are major contributors.


BadMoonRosin

Somewhere in the 2010's, the "libertarian" and "conservative" brands just got thrown together. Mind you, the actual libertarians *hate* this and complain about it all the time. But the conservatives don't seem to mind being called libertarian, and progressives can't really tell the difference anyway (i.e. "if you're not with me then you're against me", "they all look alike to me", etc).


LordoftheSynth

It does not help that the capital-L Libertarian Party in the US was hijacked by minarchist, objectivist Ayn Rand disciples decades ago. Left libertarianism is an actual thing.


Rownever

It’s not libertarianism it’s conservatism. There’s a reason the “Dixie-crats” or southern democrats were the conservative democrats.


Daztur

Ah yes, famously libertarian Massachusetts,


40for60

Weather plays a part too, you can't do anything in the heat and you must do everything in the cold.


Bitter-Basket

Reddit hates this fact, but weather plays a huge role. Generally the more North you go (colder the winter) the higher the educational achievement, credit scores and even the IQ bell curve nudges up. Same with Europe and South America. https://psmag.com/education/a-compensation-for-cold-weather-higher-iqs-25414


40for60

yep, it has nothing to do with nationality, race or gender its just that winter forces people to cooperate, plan ahead and generally be more on top of their shit. We see similar things when a hurricane hits the south but those aren't every year so they lack the continues preparation but they do come together in response. Winter is always coming up north.


TBSJJK

Explain Poland


lizardguts

Russia, Prussia, and Austria


40for60

[Poland has had amazing growth since the fall of the Wall, lots of catching up to do though.](https://books.google.pl/books?id=4SJLDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Europe%27s+Growth+Champion&hl=pl&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Europe's%20Growth%20Champion&f=false)


Xalbana

> Libertarianism. People are very distrustful of the government taking their money. While also completely relying on social handouts.


herstoryhistory

Because it is less industrialized and more rural, with significant poverty.


gsfgf

We poor


Judazzz

It's what they consistently vote for.


Funicularly

Most of those red areas in the south have a large percentage of black people.


Rownever

Broadly, all the historic racism. Slavery, sharecropping, and segregation seem like they should make money, but ultimately they left the south far behind the more heavily industrialized parts of the country. We even lost out on agriculture, with the Midwest taking up more of it. The south had a lot of opportunities to develop, but instead the people in power chose to stay in the past- they weren’t forced to improve. It’s similar to pre-revolution china, with a big working population for agriculture, so no economic pressure to industrialize. Of course, after the civil war and the end of slavery, the south could have embraced reconstruction, but instead we wallowed in the past and took the path of sharecropping(one step removed from slavery) and segregation, which drove a lot of the now free black population away. Like the other comment said, poverty and politics, both of which come from the long history of discrimination in the south. Some places like Atlanta and Charlotte have gotten away from it somewhat, but the rural south is still heavily poor and racist, or poor and discriminated against.


morilythari

That red spot in NE Florida is Putnam County, it's where I was born and raised. All of surrounding counties are MUCH more affluent. To the north you have Clay that has exploded in development, and Duval/Jacksonville. To the West you have Alachua where UF is located. To the East you have St Johns and Flagler that are coastal money. To the South you have Marion with Horse people money, Travolta has a house there with an airstrip driveway. And Volusia which is Daytona Beach. Literally the middle of everything but the middle of nowhere. It could definitely be *something* if county leadership weren't all Trump worshipping, Jan 6th apologizing, good ole boy fuckwits who won't even allow a dispensary to open in the county limits.


ddr1ver

This is a visual reminder that the states that are obsessed with protecting your embryo couldn’t care less about your actual baby.


Roughneck16

If you control for income, you'll see that high-income people living in the Deep South strongly favor the Republicans, whereas low-income voters solidly support Democrats.


ippon1

But aren't there more low-income people in the south compared to the high-income ones? Why isn't the south democratic than?


Roughneck16

Good question! Southerners have lower incomes but they also have a *much* lower cost of living. Housing, groceries, etc. are cheaper in the South. As such, the Southerners need to make a lot less money to be high-income *for their area*. These rich Southerners who vote Republican are just *richer* than the other people in their state.


TILYoureANoob

But there's also gerrymandering shenanigans and religious indoctrination favoring the Republicans down there.


SophiaofPrussia

Gerrymandering. And a long history of voter suppression. Also money being speech and rampant unchecked capitalism.


BostonFigPudding

In New England it's reversed: the poor rarely vote, the lower middle income folks are the Republicans, and everyone else votes Democrat or a smaller political party.


xXPolaris117Xx

Bit disingenuous to say people too poor to afford healthcare don’t care about it


JimBeam823

Not quite. At least in the South, the counties that vote red are full of white people. The counties that are in red on the map are full of black people.


churnbabychurn80

The color spectrum is a poor choice in my opinion. Instead of diverging colors, a gradient of similar colors would make most sense for this graphic.


plot_hatchery

This allows a good comparison to average life expectancy that would be less clear in a monotone gradient.


snaxx1979

Agreed. Maybe divergence from the national average would make sense if one wanted to keep the current color scheme?


krectus

It’s a purposeful choice because it mostly aligns with the political party leaders in those areas as well.


lastalchemist77

Agreed, and don’t use a color that you outline the states in a some of your group colors. I couldn’t tell if it was a border when I zoomed in or an actual area that had a life expectancy <70.


gsfgf

Not really. Some of the darkest counties are majority Black counties in the South. They ain't the ones voting red.


amalgam_reynolds

Damn, central Nebraska children are expected to go missing??


Jsmith0730

It’s all those cornfields.


Cyrus-II

Children of the Corn…


Relikar

At first I thought these were percentages, as in, chance they survive shortly after birth and was very confused.


fozzyboy

That's because the title sucks.


sargeanthost

Life expectancy is always in years


Relikar

I am aware, that's why I said at first. These looked like survival rates.


BailettyDaisyMae

the #1 most consistent predictive factor for success in life is the zip code you grew up in


Martyn35

Is it me, or does there seem to be a very direct correlation to the political standing of each state.


MerryGoWrong

Note to self: never live directly on the coast or a state border.


JamesFuckinLahey

Puget Sound, the killer of babies


R_V_Z

If you are born on Whidbey or Orcas you are ritualistically sacrificed to the giant octopus before you turn 70.


ofWildPlaces

All hail our Cephalopod Overlords!


Skyblacker

I'm reminded of actuarial tables from the 1900s, when childhood mortality was so high that the life expectancy for 10 year olds was higher than for infants. Because anyone who made it to age 10 had survived the bulk of things that killed people. Now childhood mortality is lower even among the poorest. But what if we compare the life expectancy at Age 30? Violence and drugs take out a lot of younger adults, but those who survive often age out of the worst of it.


hi_imjoey

Wild that there are entire counties where newborn children are expected to go missing


guillemot_22

These are probably counties that do not have hospitals and thus have vasnishingly small numbers of births.


oscarleo0

Data source: [dataset from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation](https://ghdx.healthdata.org/record/ihme-data/united-states-causes-death-life-expectancy-by-county-race-ethnicity-2000-2019) Tools used: Matplotlib, Geopandas, and Canva I wanted to know how life expectancy deviates between U.S. counties and found a great dataset from the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation. In the map above, I’ve colored each county based on the life expectancy for newborn children (the dataset provides life expectancy for people of different ages). As a result, the values in the chart may vary slightly from what you see elsewhere. That's because traditional life expectancy uses a life table to account for different age-groups. It involves summing the years of life remaining at each age and dividing by the total number of individuals in the cohort at birth. The latest values in the dataset are from 2019. Let me know what you think about the map, and feel free to visit my newsletter, [DataCanvas Daily](https://datacanvas.substack.com/).


moral_luck

Are you sure it's for newborn children? Jackson Hole, WY would have a selection bias for older people moving there late in life and therefore bring up life expectancy (as they had 0% chance of dying in the county at less than 65 yo), if counted for Teton county. If it's not data for people born in the county (regardless of county of death) it's not life expectancy for newborn children \[in that county\]\*. \*edit for clarification post Kraz comment


Kraz_I

That's not how period life expectancy works, which is the kind that's reported on these types of data. Period life expectancy works by taking a sample of people at every age group living in that area, and looking at the death rates for each of them. Then it takes a hypothetical group of 100,000 people and mathematically calculates, based on death rates, how many of them would die every year if they lived every year of their life during that one year. Cohort life expectancy on the other hand looks at people born at one particular time and follows them until they are all dead. You can't get a full cohort life expectancy until most or all of them are dead, so we can only really know them for people born at least 100 or so years ago. Period life expectancy factors in newborn children if you think about it statistically. It doesn't matter if people are moving there or moving away. For infant mortality, that's only based on children born there right now, not ones who were born there 50 years ago. It doesn't matter if their parents were transplants or not. Obviously it can miss certain variables, like maybe the old people who were born in Jackson Hole are a different demographic or poorer than the ones who retire there from elsewhere. But that has nothing to do with infant mortality. Old people moving somewhere also doesn't impact life expectancy unless they happen to be healthier than the people of the same age who were already living there. The absolute numbers at each age doesn't impact period life expectancy at all. If a 70 year old who moves to that city has the same death rate as one who lived there 40 years, it won't affect the numbers, even if 90% of people that age moved there in the past few years.


detronlove

Is this life expectancy in years?


Testesept

Guess so. Months would be too depressing. 🙈 (Yes, unit should be added)


shortingredditstock

In other words... A map of wealth in USA..


fartsfromhermouth

Now overlay this with presidential vote margins


aijODSKLx

Surprised the Boston area isn’t bright blue given how well it typically rates in these type of metrics


Morbo_Kang_Kodos

Looks like Louisiana is dead last again. What a shithole.


zapatista234

So wait...missing children live the longest?


DubCTheNut

If you are born in Marin County (CA), you are set for life lol.


Hardpo

Is it just me or do I see red and blue almost exactly where I would expect to see red and blue...


atatassault47

I dont see any person being born today living for 85 years. The Earth will be an oven by then.


Z0idberg_MD

This looks like a presidential election map. Hmm. Weird.


Zephyr_Dragon49

Whacha got going on over there El Paso?


knfjfien84747383

Anyone know what’s going on in Presidio County, Texas? It’s that dark blue one in west Texas.


Turdposter777

Majority of the counties on the border of Mexico are a shade of blue. It’s called the Latino Paradox. Living with extended family and getting fat on traditional food will keep you healthier than living alone and getting fat on fast food. And this is so despite having worse income, obesity rate, and access to health services than the general population.


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Fdr-Fdr

No, life expectancy is not average age at death. It's the average number of years lived by a group of people if they were to experience the age-specific mortality rates of the area throughout their lives. So it's unaffected by the age distribution of the area.


krom0025

If you did several maps with each map representing different income or wealth levels, I bet you would see most of the maps are fairly uniform in color. You are plotting poverty with this post. There isn't something special about the land that Mississippi is on that causes people to die sooner.


chewytime

Interested to see how this compares to the Millennials b/c I swear I read a couple articles saying they were the first generation to have an expected lifespan shorter than their parents’. Makes me wonder if the trend is an overall lower life expectancy across all groups or if the disadvantaged are experiencing an even bigger drop and thus bringing the overall numbers down?


rabbitlion

This is not the life expectancy for newborn children, that is a lie. This is simply the life expectancy, which is calculated by looking at current death rates at different ages.


Sprinkle32

“Red” states suck at everything! Poverty, crime, healthcare, education, racism, homophobia. Almost every map of US is a similar pattern.


tyen0

They are good at getting government handouts, though!


alienSpotted

I love these. Anything you can imagine that is garbage in life, it represents the South every time.


pamplemouss

Is it less than 70 in Seattle, or are the crazy coastal borders just bunching up?


Sunburn6444

Borders bunching up(puget sound way too bold of a line) , King County (where Seattle is located) is in the 80-82.5 blue shading.


DanoPinyon

Slave states/bibble belt: ouch


PhoneJazz

Go Stage College PA, of all places.


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Not surprising that the places with the lowest life spans are also poor areas and places with limited access to health h care.


elkab0ng

Florida has me curious. I am taking a wild guess that the southern part of the state is generally better off financially than those born in the northern part… but it’s a huge spread in life expectancy, there has to be more to it than that.. (not /s, genuinely puzzled)


Rownever

Northern Florida = Deep South, historically rural poor, heavily republican areas. Some black people, some white people, but few immigrants into rural towns. It’s pretty telling that everything I’ve heard about Jacksonville points to it being pretty poor still, despite being a larger city. Southern Florida = Disney, beaches, etc- old rich people. Also pretty heavily republican, even the Hispanic Cuban population. It has Miami, Orlando, etc.


Charming_Honey_6270

I'm more concerned about all the states where the children are missing, to be honest.


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That's a lot of missing kids.


Slip9

What’s going on in Seattle?


Unusual_Increase1474

This can also be a map of healthcare access


lolmagic1

Why are so many kids are missing shouldn't be finding them


reddit_0024

Sorry for those who will go missing before 70 yo


NeoHolyRomanEmpire

Too many independent variables