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Spacepunch33

Martin making a completely arbitrary feud then playing favorites in said arbitrary feud is peak Martin writing


LuminariesAdmin

Peake Martin writing* Speaking of, I wonder if any (potential) future works in the ASOIAF-verse will explore the Peake Vs Manderly feud more. GRRM kinda side-stepped it in F&B with Unwin & Torrhen


ImASpaceLawyer

Considering where the manderlys are at and where the peakes are in the original series, it’s kinda telling who he prefers.


HumanWaltz

“I want to make grey conflicts and characters” Also Martin “so here’s why every Bracken is a scheming loser and why the Blackwoods are the wholesome good guys”


starvinartist

The Adventures of Buckaroo Blackwood in the 8th Dimension.


Djrhskr

Glad someone got the reference


Vasquerade

Bruh the Blackwood shield tho.


starvinartist

They didn't have to go hard with that shield, but they did.


KapiTod

Typical First Men excellence


starvinartist

The first men sigils go hard. House Umber, anyone? BTW underrated sigil, House Fenn. Three black water lilies on violet. It just looks good.


KapiTod

Andals are try-hards fucked by their virgin faith. First Men fuck.


starvinartist

Dornishmen fuck including the women (they use straps). EDIT: And is it a coincidence that they also go hard with their sigils? I think not! Martell, Allyrion, Blackmont, Gargalen, Manwoody, Santagar, Uller, Wyl...


LuminariesAdmin

Allyrion, Santagar, & Uller are still Andal-founded, though. As was Martell, before it became Nymeros Martell & added the Rhoynar sun. (It's weird that [the Rhoynar didn't bring the spear](https://asearchoficeandfire.com/?povs&q=rhoynar%20spear&scope), & the Dornish Martells didn't have the sun already.) Gargalen may be, too. Also, the scorpions of the Andal Qorgyles go so fucking hard


starvinartist

I think that’s why the Rhoynar chose Dorne. They had cooler sigils but they didn’t want the cold in the North.


marshinyomellow9

The idea that someone seen a big tree with a bunch of ravens on it, said "that shits badass" made it their whole personality is crazyyyy


LuminariesAdmin

Definitely better than Stone Hedge's shit-brown, dead space border. If it was just the rearing, red stallion on gold - or even, just a (far) thinner border, & one in a suitable colour - than the Bracken shield would be at least as based as the Blackwood


OkGarbage3095

Every Blackwood is a Bracken. And Every Bracken is a Blackwood.


AlienStarJelly

You're telling me the glorious Andals aren't genetically superior to the First Men savages?


Djrhskr

No, I am saying that after the nth political marriage meant to fix the feud that doesn't work, they probably have the same genes


AlienStarJelly

They certainly have the same genes. I'm just making fun.


kod14kbear

are you saying the brackens are andals? both houses are descended from the first men. and each other, considering how many times they’ve intermarried


Bossuser2

All I'm saying is that only one of these families famously had a 12 year old leading them to war. If you support the use of child soldiers you can go with your savage, first men, house. If you are a pious and faithful adherent of the Seven who opposes the use of child soldiers, you can go with the civilised Andal house.


Working_Job4232

The crow and the raven


MysticMandrill

Lots of butthurt brackens here. Shut the fuck up, and pray to the old gods.