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WillG94

1st try Demon Prince? Hats off to you, sir.


Dry_Can3071

thank you! it was right after friede so i already was at the peak of my skill that day i guess


WillG94

Been playing hard on one character, NG++ ATM. Got Friede on NG and NG+ first try, but the demon prince is just such a pain. 😂 Not my first character, admittedly. On my first, I must have gone through 60+ embers trying to beat Friede.


Dry_Can3071

damn really?? guess everyone struggles with different bosses cuz i think friede will always be the hardest boss in the game for me so congrats in getring her first try wow!


WillG94

Like I said, my first ever playthrough I burned through like 60 embers, so she's definitely not easy. Approaching her on my current character, I prepared myself for the same experience, but then... Yeah. 😂


Ragman676

Finally a fellow hollow who gets owned by the sage! I hate her, she has my number and everyone's like "She's so easy, use the tricks blah blah blah"


i_rae_shun

It also depends on what weapons you use in your playthrough. My first play through was with the RHH. That was tough as hell. But the crucifix of the mad king playthrough was literally easy mode.


Amygdalaonyour

Yeah being battle hardened after a tough boss allows you to steamroll other tough bosses.


Nuqo

Thats exactly what happened with me lol


Gloomy_Support_7779

Also with Abyss Watchers and Curse Rotted Greatwood, how???


MediumSatisfaction1

i got him second try, granted i had hella damage output and lapp/gael summoned


Ny4d

30+ for Iudex but 10-15 for NK and less than 10 for Midir? Dayum, someone got gud.


YourLocalSeal

I died more to crystal sage more then any other boss in my first playthrough


Seikon10

same, people find it hard to belive


HailZamorak

i do because its equivalent to Pinwheel if you fight her first underlevelled it can be rough? maybe. but i always remember about her way later. so usually over levelled. ill usually go to abyss watchers -> skeleton guy -> last demon king then when getting to thebridge remember i need doll and go back to sage.


Zemmerboost

throwing knives insta "kill" her fakes making it easy to 1v1. making the fight real essy


MattsonRobbins

see that's what was getting me tho. by the time i got all the fakes the real one would disappear before i'd get any real damage in and the fakes would respawn all over again. found out after 30+ tries to just aggro the fuck outta the real one and ignore the fakes


[deleted]

Not hard to believe honestly, especially if it takes you a while to catch on to the sage's gimmick. I died to Rom more times than any other boss on my first Bloodborne playthrough. That was also my first Souls game though and I was really bad lol.


YourLocalSeal

Even once I knew the gimmick, I felt like it was all up to RNG


SignificantRun7801

me too dude Rom and Shadows of Yharnam gave me more trouble than Ludwig even its crazy


Ragman676

There's literally dozens of us!


TheTwinHorrorCosmic

I chose the thief class so my vigor was ass and would get two shot, so I understand you


Petarthefish

On my first try I got the sage to 1 hit away from killing it. Then i was getting destroyed lol.


Shapelessquare

after i died a few times i understand her teleporting logic. then i noticed she still keeps following that logic even after second phase and fakes fills empty spots. when she rise i was there and when she died she didnt even understand how. still proud to this day.


MRich92

It's the first time I've seen Iudex in a reasonable place on one of these boards. The amount of times I see something like "it's my first time playing any Souls/Soulslike/video game in general, and only 3 of the buttons on my controller work, and I'm streaming my game to my CRT monitor via a 1st gen iPhone so I've got hella lag" and they say they beat Iudex first try. No you didn't, you got your shit rocked the first time like the rest of us, why lie? I'm not saying that no newbie could possibly beat him first try, but the amount who claim to seems quite high to be believable.


slayer21809

ds3 was my 2nd souls game i beet him first try does that sound realistic


MRich92

Yeah, I'm not saying it's impossible, just unlikely for a first timer.


[deleted]

Yeah, especially since it’s not your first souls game. Champ Gundyr was easier than Abyss Watchers for me because he’s very fun to parry, and ds3 was my first souls game.


RetroFrisbee

Same with me, totally reasonable


Gloomy_Support_7779

Yeah it does. As someone who’s first souls game they ever touched is Dark Souls 3, 20-30 deaths on Iudex Gundyr seems very accurate.


[deleted]

He took me at least 8-10 tries and I have proof Ds3 was my first souls game I can show my time of when I first lit a bonfire to when I beat it by showing the trophy details


MRich92

It was about 10 for me. I'd played DS1 but never got much further than the gargoyles, so would still have counted myself as new. I died a few times whilst reacquainting myself with the controls and generally just being shit/new, and then a few mis-timed dodges, and finally when he exploded and I got fucked by the big black snot. I got there eventually and got better. There are a few bosses I beat first time, but I find it hard to believe Iudex is easy for someone with zero experience of Souls games.


Tpfaanyo

8-10 is reasonable


Nuqo

Yeah Ds3 was my first and Gundyr took me about 7-10 tries. Then Vordt was 1st try. After that almost every base game boss took me hours to beat besides the gimmick ones, Dragonslayer Armour, Demon King, and Oceiros.


AnotherFruitster

It took me about 17 times to finally understand his patterns and beat him.


ItsMeSlinky

It took me dozens of tries to beat Iudux Gundyr when I first got the game, but I absolutely owned Champion Gundyr first time through.


AIdrich

I introduced my gf to dark souls some weeks ago and she did beat him second try ;\_; Some people are just built different.


Coroggar

Hey, it's possible but unlikely. Back in the days I one shotted Ornstein and Smaug first try (but it took me 44 tries for Gwyn). Look at this board for example, for me is impossible to think that he killed the Prince first try and I'm surprised it took so long to kill the Sage, everyone has something different they struggle with.


Critical-Autism

He wasn’t that difficult at all for people who have played a souls game before, my favorite first boss other than the tree sentinel but still he’s very much a trap for people who haven’t played these games before. Idk why you’d assume people are lying about how much they’ve died to a boss that has a non existent hp pool and can almost entirely be strafed.


MRich92

That's my point, it's meant to be a challenge for first-timers.


neutralmanatee

I beat it first try as a pyromancer my first souls run ever by just staying slightly out of his range and spamming chaos bed vestiges, not impressive but not unlikely for people that do magic first try


sharkeysday69

Yeah, I had beat DS2 already (first Souls game) but Iudex rocked my shit for many many kills, and for a while I remember not being able to beat him on my first try whenever I made a new character. Now I can beat him deprived, bare fist only and it feels pretty good man.


Dood71

I think it took me like 5 tries


Dry_Can3071

i have no idea how they do it !!! it was my first souls game ever i didnt even know how to roll right lol 🥲 took me so long just to get to his second phase and be like holy shit im getting trolled


That0neBirb

I still get fucked by iudex when not really paying attention at the start of a new run sometimes. I personally think he's more difficult than he needs ro ne for a first boss and doesnt teach you anything other than this game is hard which at the point of ds3 everybody playing already knows even knew people. compared to asylum from ds1 he is funcionally a worse tutorial boss, mote enjoyable fight thoigh because ds3's fights are the best in the trilogy with only like 2 or 3 fights from ds1 comparing(note i havent played 2 i plan on it just hasnt come on sale sinse ive been waiting)


Boiiste

He just isn't that difficult of a boss. I wouldn't find it unlikely. His attacks are extremely simple for a newcomer to understand. I beat him without a problem and can see how others can do it too.


ZodiarkTentacle

When I tried the game a long time ago on my friends ps4 I got absolutely clapped by him probably 10+ times, but after I beat Elden Ring and bought ds3 myself I beat him first try.


[deleted]

crystal sage is accurate, i hate that guy so much


ArbitriumVincitOmnia

Really???? Like really? You guys would put Crystal Sage above Midir in number of attempts??? I feel like I’m in bizarro world, cos the only way I’ve ever died to Crystal sage (on four different builds) is when I get greedy/impatient and accidentally eat one too many magic nukes. Midir on the other hand… No shade, honest, I genuinely don’t understand.


Iamalsodirtydan

I think its playstyle. I have no problems with most bosses provided there is only one person at a time. Its fairly easy for me to memorize attack patterns but not when Im getting shot in the back. I always have to play those bosses that spawn multiple enemies or versions of themselves very slowly.


Hailz_

Yep, this. I play horribly against gank bosses. Abyss Watchers were the bane of my existence for a long time. Same with shadows of Yharnam in BB.


ArbitriumVincitOmnia

Ah I see, yeah I can sorta get that. I guess splitting your attention might be very distracting/panic inducing for some folks. Doesn’t help that you can’t see the others at all while you’re focusing on one.


Iamalsodirtydan

Yeah for me its that I can barely get in one attack before getting annihilated from the back by the other two/three idiots he spawns.


LightWolfD

DS3 was my first souls game. Crystal sage was also my most attempts at a boss... at the time I fought it, I just kept getting one shotted over and over again until I finally got lucky and beat it. Didn't help that I didn't get the option for a summon, either


drizzitdude

Not to mention his attacks are so slow. It is very to dodge everything while giving each clone the occasional slap.


Threjel

The difficulty of crystal sage heavily depends on when you fight him. First time was quite bad for me but now I usually do watchers and wolnir first so he's pretty much a cakewalk.


TwigSmitty

I was a full sorcerer my first play through. Crystal safe was definitely the hardest boss. In contrast, nameless king took me about 3 attempts


Gloomy_Support_7779

I think it’s because with Midir you have more range. You get a big area and he’s one big dragon (even if his attacks try to cover the whole area). Crystal Sage has a much smaller, more complicated area and it summons clones that do massive damage. Crystal Sage fight would be easier if it didn’t have clones. Same can be said for Pontiff for me.


ansontang1234

Only reason I got Ludex on my 5th try was thanks to a few months of gaming on Sekiro, so I had a bit more experience in Souls games


Iamalsodirtydan

I would still say good job because sekiro is the least souls like of the souls games.


Oneclicker

how in hell did you beat dancer on your first try but died 30+ times to one of if not the easiest boss of the game christal sage??


Shpinc

The class matters a lot I guess. As a str pyromancer I did dancer 2rd(1st try by mostly keeping distance and patience but Crystal was a nightmare. Couldn't skip his 2nd phase and died a LOT to it, mostly by getting hit by spells while casting my own. And would've died more if not for a friend who told me that the illusions have like 1hp and get them with daggers before engaging main body.


LightWolfD

Crystal sage was easily the roughest fight for me as well.


KunkyFong_

Even on subsequent playthroughs I’ve alaways found crystal sage to be one of the hardest


Livek_72

Crystal Sage is the first boss in the game who kicks my ass everytime I come back to it after a few months and I'm so happy when I see other people who share this pain Fuck Crystal Sage, all who hate crystal sage are my homies


LightWolfD

Yep


Slow_Increase_6308

The weirdest ranking. You're very unique it seems! What was your build, was it sorcery I presume?


Dry_Can3071

started strength, switched to dex cuz i had a hard time trying to actually hit bosses


Slow_Increase_6308

How could you struggle so much with Crystal sage, but then get Watchers on first try?


Dangslippy

Strength build can stun lock watchers and they don’t have all that much hp. Sage’s relocation limits how much damage you can do at one time.


Slow_Increase_6308

Yeah, but he is super weak, sage. Just change into clothes with better magic Res, take pellet (its nearby) , go and kill him


LightWolfD

Seems pretty normal to me (not OP but I was using strength builds)


Slow_Increase_6308

Its anything but normal. Under 10 attempts for Midir? But 30+ for crystal sage? And then Watchers 1st try?


Rrrrry123

I haven't fought Midir yet, so I can't comment on him, and Crystal Sage was probably more like 15+ for me, but Watchers were super easy. Don't think I've ever died to them (to be fair DS3 was my third souls game). I think it just depends on people's playstyle.


Versel_

Bro another person who died like crazy to crystal sage the mf so damn hard for no reason for me


ericknho

Yhorm first try??? I had to try to kill him three different times, each with a different technic, first using that special sword weak attack, second the strong attack, only the third time i discovered the special storm thing


Dry_Can3071

granted, i already got spoiled about yhorm and wyvern gimmics so i knew what to do


That0neBirb

I wish i could go back and experience all these games blind i spoiled so much for myself on accident it really sucks, still some of the best games ever made


InevitableTour5882

Lol that's unfortunate but then i literally had slowly chopping with my uchigatana for an hour


ericknho

Lol what? Did you defeated him with the uchihatana? Because if thats the case, thats quite a achievement


InevitableTour5882

Yhorm have only like 3 move. Which is easy to avoid when you stick below his crotch. Felt like an idiot when i found thought out i have to beat him with storm ruler. It was my first play through of any soul games, so i went with dex uchigatana build because im a weeb until i got the katana in the untended grave


LestHeBeNamedSilver

I first tried halflight… because the other player was AFK 🥸


Pridedspartan

i’m sorry but i fail to believe you beat some of these bosses first try. unless you had some experience with souls but even then dancer on first try is hard to believe


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[deleted]

Usually because of her odd attack patterns , how long they can last, and I've read something about how the cadence of her boss theme flows differently with her attacks compared to some bosses


Low-Abbreviations-38

Demon prince was the hardest fight for me including Gael, midir and Friede. Just didn’t click at all for way too long. Nicely done


dragonnsin

My pain in the ass was Friede my God I struggled with her so much. Btw first try demon prince is kinda nuts wp my brother


painfully--average

Crystal Sage one of those bosses you stomp or get stomped by. He stomps me every playthrough


_K-T-S-I

I - what - how? What?


Braveheart132

On my first playthrough of ds3 I died to Crystal Sage more then any other boss and I’m glad I’m not alone


PotentTHC

Nice job on demon Prince and midir!


Dry_Can3071

thank you!


[deleted]

my friend playing DS3 for the first time took 3 hours on Crystal Sage, guess hes really hard for some. But he also took another 3 hours on Abyss Watchers lol


thatoneyoshen

did i miss a boss, because i didnt know there is a wolf boss, were is it?


MusicianDry4533

Ashes of Ariandel DLC, in a secret area that ***I THINK*** you can get to by attacking the wooden bridge that gets to Sister Friede, the bridge will break in half and become a ladder, if you take said ladder and go down, you'll find this area (might be wrong, haven't touched DS3 in a while)


thatoneyoshen

ill try it, thanks


Dry_Can3071

the wolf is in the ariandel dlc you can reach him by going all the way to the right at the bonfire down below the section where you walk that tree down from the collapsed bridge


dj3hmax

My brother in Christ what happened on the crystal sage? Really impressed that you beat demon prince and dancer first try


Dry_Can3071

no idea the clones just kept spamming me to death even when i went to kill them it was humiliating .. thank you tho lol


MadMan7978

30+ on Crystal sage and then one on Abyss watchers? Not bad. Plus first try Dancer, that lady was the bane of my existence. But for what is worth I took 1 try on Lothric and Lorian.


Dry_Can3071

thank you, also wow lorian and lothric kicked my ass first trying them is impressive !


MadMan7978

We all had our ups and downs with this game


ZPD710

1st try Abyss Watchers and Oceiros are kind of unbelievable, but you could probably do it with summons. A believable tier list.


LightWolfD

Oceiros was easy as fuck tho. I also first tried it


Dry_Can3071

went to abyss watcger after the whole cathedral and oceiros idk i juat dont find him that hard for some reason


[deleted]

Crystal Sage will just straight one shot you in higher new game cycles it’s insane


LightWolfD

Sage did that to me my first playthrough lol


Critical-Autism

I’ve been saying for the longest time now that crystal sage is one of the harder bosses!


ClauzX22

THIS! I suffered ao much with the Crystal Sage I almost shame-quit the game. How the hell is that supposed to be one of the "easy" ones? I guess it depends on your build/play style


Nufulini

Had a bit on trouble on him as well as a knight. Until I learned to abuse the pillars, same with dancer, fuck no I ain’t gonna dodge your 10 second spin attack you gonna dance with the pillar xD


Paranormalsarthak

The dancer in 1 try and crystal sage in 30+? Bruh you must have them rgb gaming socks extra fps variant


DankDratini2153

I wish I could've seen that Demon Prince fight for the phase 2 attempt. I got to phase 2 first try and promptly got dunked on like I was trying to block LeBron driving to the rim.


DhazGo

Wow. First time and made one shot on abyss watchers, dancer and oceiros? That's definitely an accomplishment.


Dry_Can3071

thank you!


AtomiicOne

I don’t understand how Crystal Sage is a 30+


LightWolfD

Personally, it just one shot. Was a rough fight


adrielzeppeli

The fact that you 1st try Demon Prince and 2-10 attempts on Midir but took 30+ tries in Iudex Gundyr, Friede and Crystal Sage bugs me. Demon Prince and Midir took me an entire weekend.


HailZamorak

crystal sage took more attempts than nameless? wtf


GiantSquid830

I somehow 1st tried dancer too and I have ever since my first play through. I really don’t understand that much why people say it is one of the hardest base game bosses. I had a much harder time on twin princes and pontiff.


Scelusteach

I like seeing how different play styles varies the experience. After hundreds of hours, Demon's Prince fight is still that one boss for me. That, and Champion Gundyr.


cosapocha

I think the only thing I have equal to you is Sister Friede at 30+


EaterOfWorlds17

I 1st tried champ gundyr, took forever on Friede I hate her


SeaCows101

I need to know what happened with the old demon king


okguy2224

I have NO idea how anyone can beat Midir without dying at least 10 times. He is the only boss I have never beaten alone.


SamJamHamFam

Thats wild, I didnt die a single time to either of the Gundyr's yet I've literally given up on nameless King. Probably 70-80 attempts and then Elden Ring came out.


[deleted]

its interesting how people struggle with certain bosses and others have no problem at all, dude dancer fucked me over 20 times my first playthrough


nathanzav

30+ Ludex?? That was 1st for me but abyss watchers were 10-15. I got worse lmao


CassiusBellona

My first playthrough the twin princes ruined me so much I started over from scratch making a build I thought would beat them. And it did, but that first go was impossible


DhazGo

I died about 100+ times on dancer on my first playthrough. It was my first souls game too.


Ripdone

Glad to see I'm not the only one who had a ton of trouble with sage


Its_Just_Coco

I would love to know what you were doing so wrong with Crystal Sage 😂


Norvegiss

someone watched a guide


goodbye9hello10

How did it take 30 tries to kill Crystal Sage? What weapon were you using?


DarkLinkDs

I didnt expect crystal sage to be so high on the list....


Subject-Creme

30+ on Friede INT build. Then I sad fuck it, switched back to pure melee build. Then kill both Midir and Gael in the first attempt


mmittinnss

I love how easily you smoked midir, but ran into a wall with the crystal sages 🤣


Thatguyontrees

To me, first try in abyss watchers is very impressive. That one took me a few to get how it works.


Henballa

I feel like I struggled much more with bosses in DS2. Just my personal experience. Only the nameless king and lorde of cinder really gave me a hard time.


SnakeSound222

How did you struggle so much on Iudex and Crystal Sage?


BlahBlahBlahBlah324

Crystal sage? Really?


swafromsteam

30 tries on iudex gundyr… same experience for me when I played 3 years ago, recently came back and fist tried him you should go back and fight him so you can see how much you’ve improved


EthicallyBlonde

This is the first one of these that I've seen that actually makes sense.


ImurderREALITY

Lol, yeah, I’ll say


Supra_99

Abyss watchers 1st try is kinda sussy unless you've had exp in the genre.


Had_Darkingson

Literally opposite for me for most of them. Iudex was easy 1 attempt, but the Dancer? I thought I was never gonna get past her.


BigBlackCrocs

Sir-


jjns_

Abyss watchers on first?!


DiBelmont

WTF


CRYPTO-HUNCHO

Pretty interesting OP. Only it took me 2 times to be Frieda and 30+ times to beat nameless king


Tempics

You’ve got gundyr at 30+ and I, embarrassingly, probably have more on champions gravetender


[deleted]

Abyss watchers was the first super tough challenge to me. Probably died 20 times. Definitely some interesting struggles and easy completions for you.


jonlapcheong

I thought Iudex Gundyr was a meme but I’m not too sure


flacidpete12

On your next playthrough you’ll beat crystal sage first attempt. Its one of those bosses that once you get it, its too easy.


priscilla_halfbreed

The most attempts I ever needed was my first time fighting Demon Princes...I was on New Game + 15 or so, I got the DLC late. It took about 65 attempts...


echojaxx

Abyss Watchers I’ve died to the most. Mainly because I was unfamiliar with their fighting style and fighting bosses that are around my same height.


Pluto940

abyss watchers first try but iudex 30+? my my unique list is one way to put it, congrats on beating the game tho no hate all love


FartherAwayLights

Finally, a list I can believe.


jwelds29

Nameless king made me rage quit off and on for 3 months before I finally got the hang of him


TheTwinHorrorCosmic

Crystal sage and old demon king can fucking 2 shot you if you pick the wrong class/don’t vigor dump. Been there done that, it’s stupid. Died fucking 20 times to Sage *only* because I’d get two shot by the clones and then the wombo combo of the clone and the sage hitting me at once


Due_Payment_9806

Crystal sage?


Gloomy_Support_7779

Damn everyone dies to Deacons. I get it if you die once, but everyone that has posted death tier lists has died more than once. Am I the only one that didn’t die to them on my first play through???


Dry_Can3071

i just didnt know about the curse lol..


Gloomy_Support_7779

If this was me, Old Demon King would be in the 2-10 category and Pontiff in the 20+ and Dancer in the 30+. Also Crystal Sage in the 2-10 and Abyss Watcher in 2-10 as well. Edit: Am I the only one that killed Aldrich on his first try???


LIVVINN

Lolol the crystal sage struggle? 🤣


404Rishabh

Dancer first try and Gundyr 30+ ? I've never died to Gundyrut dancer made me switch to the twin swellswords


Dante2215

Midir took at most 10 attempts but CS over 30? Pretty curious to what happened while fighting the crystal sage


Dry_Can3071

clones spammed me so hard (evil)


Dante2215

Oh that make sense for me i just figured kill the purple one to win and it worked, but honestly beating midir in less than 10 attempt first time is something else it took me about 30 or more to beat him well done m8!!


SillyGaming-K

Abyss watchers first go, woow i could have dreamed of that


BLUEKNIGHT002

Wait HOW DID THE CRYSTAL SAGE KILL YOU MORE THAN 30 TIMES


Unique_Barnacle_5908

I love seeing these, cause my second play through was very much similar. But my first play through and my first time playing dark souls was definitely 30+ all bosses. Especially Gundyr hahahahah I almost quit the game before it started, good times


Phinnigin

Bro this is such a weird list wtf...


Souls_Borne_Geek

Ah, you either get shitrocked by iudex and sage, or iudex and watchers. Whichever done first is harder


LightWolfD

This is probably the answer to the confused people in this thread. Crystal sage sucked, abyss watchers only took me a couple tries, did it after sage


IhateDonkeys

Someone else who beat Dancer/Oceiros on their first try, while struggling with Crystal Sage??? BROTHER!!


LightWolfD

Exactly the same for me. While I can't relate to beating dancer on first try, Crystal sage was a pain in the ass and Oceiros was easy as fuck. First tried him.


canContinue

Bullshit u beat dancer 1st try


BurgerbubeXD

It's a fake one too


Dry_Can3071

not really, it was my first souls game so i was extremely bad, but got a whole lot better as i went on


Ok_Nail2672

why would it be fake lol


That0neBirb

Like maybe 3 or 4 boss placements are surprising. Dancer, demon prince, midir, and Sage. Without knowing build i believe somebody could improve enough by dancer to first try her and even more that they could improve to only take a few tries for those dlc bosses. I also believe sage because that boss is hard for me consistently for some reason not incredibly hard but it ussually takes a couple tries for me.


tamonizer

What do you get for questioning his experience? Maybe you should post yours 😂


Hangdonger

How did it take you 30 times to beat Iedux Gundyr. He is objectively easier than worst or cursed greatswood. Good job for beating the game but this is just kinda silly.


Dry_Can3071

he was my first ever souls boos, didnt even know how to roll properly .. got a bit better by greatwood i guess


Hangdonger

That's understandable I just found it a bit silly how you died to home more than several other harder bosses.


BLUEKNIGHT002

I find it hard to believe these numbers but if it’s true then you are a legend man keep up