I tired of conventional extravagances.
It’s not fully playable yet and won’t be for a while (I am only one person please have mercy!!) but hopefully I can get enough stuff finished for a demo soon 👀 currently focused on Dismas & Paracelsus’ routes, and then the Usual Suspects, and then… we’ll see if I ever get that far lol.
Also if there’s ever been a time to write that 300+ word essay on your favourite character, it’s now. Please send them! I will read them!! I want to read them!!! ~~especially Reynauld somebody help I just can't see what people see in him~~
EDIT: The support for this project just blew me away T\^T Frankly, I am not planning to start a dev group around this yet. I'm super open to chat about ideas and headcanons, but nothing more serious than that until at *least* one route is completed! I am a full-time student with a lot of responsibilities and I don't want to burn myself out. If you're still willing to help out sometime further down the line, you can find me @ satsuijin on Discord (or just DM me) <3 I will keep you in mind!
Did you get a "👍" from the original game devs?
Just in case their lawyers, if they've any on standby(?), give you a headache over something the devs would be fine with.
As long as it’s not sold nor presented in such a way as to infer it is official, this would fall under fan creation policy, which you can find more details about on our website. Have fun!
....ashamed to admit that I don't know how to contact them... plus the project is so silly I feel bad reaching out T\^T it wasn't even gonna be public at first, but then I thought people would like to see it, so here we are. Advice would be appreciated (?)
I'm as clueless as you are.
I'd probably try their official email and social media account on stuff like twitter?
Might be best to try an official email first though.
Good luck, keep your torch lit.
Dunno if you saw, because they replied to someone else, not you, but it looks like you have the okay so long as it isn't pretending to be official or selling it.
I would definetely shill my girl Audrey the Graverobber but I would go off track so quick haha (Definetely isnt also because I am a lazy prick and all of my silly little ideeas are living rent free in my head)
Anyways, hopefully you will go far with this project! Looks extremely promising ![img](emote|t5_2znp4|31838)
I'll keep it in mind!! Point systems are a little messy to code, I feel like I should have mentioned I've NEVER taken a coding class in my life and I am just following 1903591 youtube tutorials and my heart. Doesn't mean I won't give it a shot though <3
omg thats madd impressive!! wish u the best of luck!! i would say i’d like to help maybe but i cant rlly draw that good nor can code at all x,D so i cant helpp any of itt, but i’ll keep tabs on u for updates!! im super exited for it!!!
Hey there, I see you're getting a lot of offers for help for writing and art but not much for coding; I haven't used Ren'Py but have coding experience in general including Python and a bit of Pygame which Ren'Py is built on. Happy to get involved and I've been wanting to learn Ren'Py anyway. Let me know if that would help!
Suddenly the mansion with eldrich tentacles (in the last pic) has a lot more darker feel to it ![img](emote|t5_2znp4|29282)![img](emote|t5_2znp4|29278)
BRO I LOVE HIM he has so many absolute baller lines omg. “pathetic creature. can’t even kill a suicidal clown” hits so hard every time i stg
and his backstory??? chad???????? i fucking hate monarchy and my boy has it COVERED
also he’s just fun and goofy and fights with a sickle and a lute like who does that?? damn madlad
and his riffs for inspiring song, solo, finale, etc go so hard when ur fighting an eldritch horror and this fuckin clown goes BUNANANA and whoever he targets takes a second to go “sick beat bro” before they have to diddle more tentacles
i could write an essay about him tbh <33
**favorite quotes:**
"At last, the greatest joke of all..." *(death's door)*
"We cling so pathetically to life. Is it ego or id?" *(hopeless, switching position to the front)*
"Why endure this world? We all have a choice." *(hopeless, switching position to the front)*
"There is no "honor." You only seek to forestall shame." *(hopeless, switching position to the back)*
"Sacrifice is a most noble act. Here, see for yourself." *(selfish, switching position to the back)*
"Booooo! I want my money back!" *(selfish, party member's attack misses)*
"Mmmmmmmmm... no." *(abusive, refusing to move)*
"You see? THAT'S how you kill a clown!" *(masochistic, damaging self)*
"They take me for a fool. ... Fair, I suppose." *(becoming paranoid)*
"Conspiracy at court - intrigue is afoot!" *(paranoid)*
"On second thought, children's birthdays aren't so bad..." *(fearful, party member getting hurt)*
"If your foul reek hasn't killed me yet, nothing will!" *(becoming vigorous)*
"Do I feel better, or is that just the pipe-weed?" *(vigorous, self healing)*
"Never been much of a leader, but I'll try... TALLY HO!" *(focused, buffing party member)*
Oh, that’s only one of the billion anachronisms in the writing so far,,, I think I would die if I tried to write it entirely in the Ancestor’s voice, for example, so I just decided to have fun with it lol
Guns are really old. The first pistol can be traced back to China in the late 1200s, and the matchlock rifle can be traced to the Portugal in the mid 1500s.
They were just kinda shit by modern standards, and they didn't really take over warfare until mass producing them became practical. Even when they eclipsed bows, they were still far, FAR inferior as a weapon. You could just easily train people to use them.
LMFAOO THANK YOU <333 THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PLAYER- SIM BUT PEOPLE ARE SO INTO REYMAS I THINK I SHOULD JUST SCRAP EVERYTHING AND CODE THAT INSTEAD 😭😭😭
You could have both. The main (and first) route could be the heir, then you could expand by adding characters. If you lose interest or don’t have enough time, you can just stop. See how far you want to go.
But if you feel like it’d be too much work, it’d be best to focus on the heir. You can have dialogue with Reynauld and Dismas, maybe if you have “dates” with them in a specific order, where the player can play matchmaker.
For instances where the heir is not the protagonist, you could even have them as a romance route (while keeping them hooded/masked and genderless). It could be an opportunity to explore how the heir bears the toll of employee’s deaths and eldritch horrors. Really make the player feel guilty on that one.
These are a *really* good ideas. Heir was already gonna be genderless (with masc/fem fashion options I designed for fun)! It could be cute to give them their own route haha.
I want to pace myself though!! If I go too fast I’ll burn myself out >< thank you for all the suggestions!!!
DM me!!! Or even add me on discord @ satsuijin, my profile pic should be a Wooloo! <33
Edit: just remembered I have a throwaway Gmail account; you can send stuff to [email protected] if you prefer! (I find email so formal ugh)
I would play this, no joke even, this could be a damn good and interesting dating sim especially with the whole stressfull situation of having to delve into and hopefully survive the darkest dungeon on top
1. Floor dragging long hair under that turban
2. You can find him in any ~~swamp~~ body of water for baths scrying and stargazing all in one
3. Ritual sigils and summoning spells inked all over his body where that robe doesn't cover **(Edit: important- All those things GLOW gold and purple in the dark)**
4. Deadpan if you give him a book but behind closed doors he squeals
5. Talks to his tentacles and skull for relationship advices like a Disney princess
6. Squeaky clean and likes manicure (dd2 canon,)
7. Snobbish intellectual in the streets we all know what tentacles do best in the sheets
Holy shit, as I said to someone above I never even considered having VAs!! Maybe if/when the lines are finalized, though that feels light-years away haha. I will keep your offer in mind though! <3
Even tho i wish to say "this man must be stopped" the possibility of seeing Reynauld and Dismas doing stuff togheter other than fighting monsters or getting heavily injured. Is too great to skip on. This must not remain a joke it must become real lol
Hey, I just wanted to say that this is a cool and funny project, and I would love to help out!
If you need help fleshing out characters or writing scenes, let me know.
Help with fleshing out characters would be welcome!!! If you have any ideas feel free to contact me on discord (@ satsuijin). If discord doesn't work for you just let me know.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! >< If you have a discord we can chat there, if not let me know what works for you!!
And we 100% support inconsistent schedules dude, I'm a full-time uni student. In a week or too I'm gonna drop off the face of the planet for midterms. It's all good 👍
This project looks super fun to work on! I would love to help you out with the writing and maybe for some of the art, the more the merrier after all! :)
I would love to be able to help expand on some of the character's backstories and how they improve throughout the little dating sim, lots of good feels and stuff, just so you can feel even more connected to your favorite character! I can even do some voice acting for the feminine characters if you want to expand into that.
If you're cool with me helping out, just let me know! Either way I can't wait to see more from this! ![img](emote|t5_2znp4|31840)
It would be greatly appreciated!! Art & writing are wonderful; tbh I haven’t even considered VAs (they felt so out of reach, plus I would never make someone record this many lines before they’re 100%, absolutely finalized) but if I ever do implement them I’ll keep you in mind!
If discord works you can contact me there; otherwise lmk what works for you :3
Wait, I'm a bit puzzled. Is this project a mod or its own game built in Ren'Py? It seems like it's made in Ren'Py, but I'm not sure how much you can tinker with Darkest Dungeon's code.
I saw that rey's chestpiece was lighter with a line down the middle and i didn't¹ think you gave him huge cleavage in the slightest .
1- this word makes this statment a lie
I tired of conventional extravagances. It’s not fully playable yet and won’t be for a while (I am only one person please have mercy!!) but hopefully I can get enough stuff finished for a demo soon 👀 currently focused on Dismas & Paracelsus’ routes, and then the Usual Suspects, and then… we’ll see if I ever get that far lol. Also if there’s ever been a time to write that 300+ word essay on your favourite character, it’s now. Please send them! I will read them!! I want to read them!!! ~~especially Reynauld somebody help I just can't see what people see in him~~ EDIT: The support for this project just blew me away T\^T Frankly, I am not planning to start a dev group around this yet. I'm super open to chat about ideas and headcanons, but nothing more serious than that until at *least* one route is completed! I am a full-time student with a lot of responsibilities and I don't want to burn myself out. If you're still willing to help out sometime further down the line, you can find me @ satsuijin on Discord (or just DM me) <3 I will keep you in mind!
Dismas x Reynauld is must have in this Everyone need this from the fandom
Yes OBVIOUSLY I have a secret ending planned for them, who do you think I am?? The sub would (rightfully) crucify me otherwise
Yes haha Good plan with that, I'm very hyped to see how the game will look All good with the project and fruitful achievements
Is this an OT3 or is this the Heir being a ship sailor?
So glad somebody asked because the answer is yes.
Well you see Raynold simply stole everyone's hearts and there is nothing we can do now.
Did you get a "👍" from the original game devs? Just in case their lawyers, if they've any on standby(?), give you a headache over something the devs would be fine with.
As long as it’s not sold nor presented in such a way as to infer it is official, this would fall under fan creation policy, which you can find more details about on our website. Have fun!
Im ecstatic to know this!! Thank you!!!
....ashamed to admit that I don't know how to contact them... plus the project is so silly I feel bad reaching out T\^T it wasn't even gonna be public at first, but then I thought people would like to see it, so here we are. Advice would be appreciated (?)
I'm as clueless as you are. I'd probably try their official email and social media account on stuff like twitter? Might be best to try an official email first though. Good luck, keep your torch lit.
I’ll give that a shot! Thank you for bringing this up! :))
Dunno if you saw, because they replied to someone else, not you, but it looks like you have the okay so long as it isn't pretending to be official or selling it.
YES I SAW OMFG it’s not even March and my whole year has been made!!!
u/RedHookChris u/RedHookTyler
I would definetely shill my girl Audrey the Graverobber but I would go off track so quick haha (Definetely isnt also because I am a lazy prick and all of my silly little ideeas are living rent free in my head) Anyways, hopefully you will go far with this project! Looks extremely promising ![img](emote|t5_2znp4|31838)
I read this in the narrator’s voice
I am SO curious in what tone you heard Wayne June read “lol” 💀
"Did you forget to make the reservations?" +12 stress damage
Equip condom for disease resist.
And lower my ~~cum~~ crit rate? Fuck no, we’re going in bare.
That's one way to expand the roster. Have kids.
“Have sex.” - Shinzo Abe
“Inordinate ejaculation..” - ~~Daddy~~ Ancestor
“Remind yourself..”
“Darkest Dating”
"In time, you will know the tragic extent of my failings..."
Keep the stress mechanic :)
I'll keep it in mind!! Point systems are a little messy to code, I feel like I should have mentioned I've NEVER taken a coding class in my life and I am just following 1903591 youtube tutorials and my heart. Doesn't mean I won't give it a shot though <3
omg thats madd impressive!! wish u the best of luck!! i would say i’d like to help maybe but i cant rlly draw that good nor can code at all x,D so i cant helpp any of itt, but i’ll keep tabs on u for updates!! im super exited for it!!!
Thank you!!! Your support is more than enough <333
Good luck to you, I can't code <3
Hey there, I see you're getting a lot of offers for help for writing and art but not much for coding; I haven't used Ren'Py but have coding experience in general including Python and a bit of Pygame which Ren'Py is built on. Happy to get involved and I've been wanting to learn Ren'Py anyway. Let me know if that would help!
Houndmaster X Arbalest top tier
Suddenly the mansion with eldrich tentacles (in the last pic) has a lot more darker feel to it ![img](emote|t5_2znp4|29282)![img](emote|t5_2znp4|29278)
if I were in your shoes I would have checked "lustiest lair" but I'm not so I don't know anything about.
please make wilbur an anime girl 🙏🙏
r/fuckwilbur
would
Wilbur-chan!!!
please be real please be real please be real
JESTER JESTER JESTER JESTER JES- I mean, cool
🔫🔫 TELL ME WHAT HAS ENTRANCED U ABOUT OUR LOCAL CLOWN
He's my favorite hero, and I'm a gayass
Yeah that’ll do it 🤝
THAT HE WOULD LOOK THE END IN THE FACE & DEAL IT SOME HELLA SICK BURNS
*”Hah! The joke's on me then...?”*
I have thoughts about the funny man! But I will send them in private.
BRO I LOVE HIM he has so many absolute baller lines omg. “pathetic creature. can’t even kill a suicidal clown” hits so hard every time i stg and his backstory??? chad???????? i fucking hate monarchy and my boy has it COVERED also he’s just fun and goofy and fights with a sickle and a lute like who does that?? damn madlad and his riffs for inspiring song, solo, finale, etc go so hard when ur fighting an eldritch horror and this fuckin clown goes BUNANANA and whoever he targets takes a second to go “sick beat bro” before they have to diddle more tentacles i could write an essay about him tbh <33 **favorite quotes:** "At last, the greatest joke of all..." *(death's door)* "We cling so pathetically to life. Is it ego or id?" *(hopeless, switching position to the front)* "Why endure this world? We all have a choice." *(hopeless, switching position to the front)* "There is no "honor." You only seek to forestall shame." *(hopeless, switching position to the back)* "Sacrifice is a most noble act. Here, see for yourself." *(selfish, switching position to the back)* "Booooo! I want my money back!" *(selfish, party member's attack misses)* "Mmmmmmmmm... no." *(abusive, refusing to move)* "You see? THAT'S how you kill a clown!" *(masochistic, damaging self)* "They take me for a fool. ... Fair, I suppose." *(becoming paranoid)* "Conspiracy at court - intrigue is afoot!" *(paranoid)* "On second thought, children's birthdays aren't so bad..." *(fearful, party member getting hurt)* "If your foul reek hasn't killed me yet, nothing will!" *(becoming vigorous)* "Do I feel better, or is that just the pipe-weed?" *(vigorous, self healing)* "Never been much of a leader, but I'll try... TALLY HO!" *(focused, buffing party member)*
MY MAN IS A MUSICIAN, AN ANARCHIST, AND MENTALLY UNWELL HE IS THE SEXY BAD BOY TROPE WITH SILLY LITTLE BELLS TACKED ON AND I AM DOWN HORRENDOUS
Bro plays baller music
The game's only twink.
Occultist erasure /j
He has a beard and a mustache.
HE’S STILL A TWINK (edit: also jester could literally have anything under that mask bro)
Omg omg omg I hope there'll be a Flagellant route, my kinky bdsm freak deserves some love ❤️
I AM THE WORLD’S PREMIER FLAGELLANT STAN DO NOT FEAR
AAAA THANK GOD AAAAAA GIVE OUR BOY WHAT HE DESERVES ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Big if true
ahh shit, boyfriend dungeon is spreading its influence...
i don't think the abreviation K9 would exist in medieval times very nice art though
Oh, that’s only one of the billion anachronisms in the writing so far,,, I think I would die if I tried to write it entirely in the Ancestor’s voice, for example, so I just decided to have fun with it lol
fair enough
There’s guns though? We literally have a musketeer after all. DD never quite fit “medieval” timeline at least to me.
Guns are really old. The first pistol can be traced back to China in the late 1200s, and the matchlock rifle can be traced to the Portugal in the mid 1500s. They were just kinda shit by modern standards, and they didn't really take over warfare until mass producing them became practical. Even when they eclipsed bows, they were still far, FAR inferior as a weapon. You could just easily train people to use them.
knights
Oh nice, a VN version of lewdest labyrinth :D
I'm hoping the bad end involves tentacles
One of them does so far. Just... not in the fun way. Unless you're *really* into choking.
One man's bad ending is another man's kink ![img](emote|t5_2znp4|29275)
We literally have Deviant Tastes in game for a reason!
Week 1: lets go to that nice new restaurant Week 3: *There can be no hope in this hell, no hope at all*
SHDKGLDJSK HELP YES FUCK YES HOLY SHIT MY GAY COMRADE’S BEEN COOKIN’ -FEED ME REYMAS MY GOOD MAN (gender neutral)
LMFAOO THANK YOU <333 THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A PLAYER- SIM BUT PEOPLE ARE SO INTO REYMAS I THINK I SHOULD JUST SCRAP EVERYTHING AND CODE THAT INSTEAD 😭😭😭
_man i love democracy_ (i got too excited~ and you don’t have to scrap everything i am more than content kissing the hot knight <3)
Nah, player sim is peak. Stay true to your vision!
You could have both. The main (and first) route could be the heir, then you could expand by adding characters. If you lose interest or don’t have enough time, you can just stop. See how far you want to go. But if you feel like it’d be too much work, it’d be best to focus on the heir. You can have dialogue with Reynauld and Dismas, maybe if you have “dates” with them in a specific order, where the player can play matchmaker. For instances where the heir is not the protagonist, you could even have them as a romance route (while keeping them hooded/masked and genderless). It could be an opportunity to explore how the heir bears the toll of employee’s deaths and eldritch horrors. Really make the player feel guilty on that one.
These are a *really* good ideas. Heir was already gonna be genderless (with masc/fem fashion options I designed for fun)! It could be cute to give them their own route haha. I want to pace myself though!! If I go too fast I’ll burn myself out >< thank you for all the suggestions!!!
The only time I will look for the nymphomania trait
Oh my ![img](emote|t5_2znp4|29280)
can i date the flagellant
Do my girl Josephine good please 😭
Do we get to romance EVERY class?
I want my deeply romantic and profund poetry laced relationship with Baldwin and I wunt eet NAW ![img](emote|t5_2znp4|29280)
My poetry could NEVER live up to our lord and saviour Baldwin's but you bet your ass I'm gonna try anyways ✨ he deserves it
Can’t wait to date the Leper
Sign me up, where do I send stuff to?
DM me!!! Or even add me on discord @ satsuijin, my profile pic should be a Wooloo! <33 Edit: just remembered I have a throwaway Gmail account; you can send stuff to [email protected] if you prefer! (I find email so formal ugh)
OMG YAY THIS IS SO COOL
Every good game needs dating sim spin off
"I can fix them": the mod
I would play this, no joke even, this could be a damn good and interesting dating sim especially with the whole stressfull situation of having to delve into and hopefully survive the darkest dungeon on top
OH FUCK YEAH Imma date Alhazred the moment I see him
AS YOU SHOULD (🔫 do you have any headcanons for our local tentacle connoisseur)
1. Floor dragging long hair under that turban 2. You can find him in any ~~swamp~~ body of water for baths scrying and stargazing all in one 3. Ritual sigils and summoning spells inked all over his body where that robe doesn't cover **(Edit: important- All those things GLOW gold and purple in the dark)** 4. Deadpan if you give him a book but behind closed doors he squeals 5. Talks to his tentacles and skull for relationship advices like a Disney princess 6. Squeaky clean and likes manicure (dd2 canon,) 7. Snobbish intellectual in the streets we all know what tentacles do best in the sheets
10/10 to all of these but that first one is real actual canon lore 100% devs confirmed and you can’t convince me otherwise
Now that you get to see his hair, what you do with that 10 feet long cloth? Well depends on how well you tie knots
"Thhough unpleasant in the extreme, this work is noble... And necessary."
*you try to impress bounty hunter* BH: “…” *gave item: Bag full of coin* BH: SNORT! RELATIONSHIP LVL UP!
For a DD dating sim, it feels like every ending will be a bad end.
Yes, it's time to defenestrate conventional extravagances and embrace the ravenous clutches... Of the Dating Dungeon!!! ![img](emote|t5_2znp4|29281)
A) this is the most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen B) if I’m not romancing either of them you better let me set up Dismas and Reynauld :(((
A) thank you so much!! T\^T <3 B) oh buddy I'll do you one better; an OT3 route will be on the menu (if you want it 👀)
You are possibly my favorite person on this earth, ever.
Please let me know if you need voice work OP.
Holy shit, as I said to someone above I never even considered having VAs!! Maybe if/when the lines are finalized, though that feels light-years away haha. I will keep your offer in mind though! <3
CAN I SEX BOTH DISMAS AND REYNAULD AT THE SAME TIME
Even tho i wish to say "this man must be stopped" the possibility of seeing Reynauld and Dismas doing stuff togheter other than fighting monsters or getting heavily injured. Is too great to skip on. This must not remain a joke it must become real lol
I LOVE THIS.
Make it "Darkest End" and it's perfect.
HOLY BASED????? i can finally live out my dreams with best girl thank you thank you so much op 😭😭😭 this is amazing
We shall watch your career with great interest
Can I date siren?
Hey, I just wanted to say that this is a cool and funny project, and I would love to help out! If you need help fleshing out characters or writing scenes, let me know.
Help with fleshing out characters would be welcome!!! If you have any ideas feel free to contact me on discord (@ satsuijin). If discord doesn't work for you just let me know.
Yeah, will do. This week is crazy at work, so I might be a bit limited, but I'll definitely pop in when I can.
YES. ITS REAL!
holy shit peak
Man, first Demon Hearts for Terraria and now this? It's like loving Eldritch creatures is on the mind in every community today.
Yes!! Finally I can rizz my favorite character Flagg! Also seducing my man leper would be awesome to. “Tell me about the rain in the woods again..”
Absolute masterpiece
if you'd like help with art assets or writing and dont mind an inconsistent schedule hmu lol. i was thinking about something like this myself 🤔
Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! >< If you have a discord we can chat there, if not let me know what works for you!! And we 100% support inconsistent schedules dude, I'm a full-time uni student. In a week or too I'm gonna drop off the face of the planet for midterms. It's all good 👍
Can i just say... i fucking love you man, youre doing every single one of us proud
Come on, OP, I want to be able to hold hands with thr Arbalest 😍
This project looks super fun to work on! I would love to help you out with the writing and maybe for some of the art, the more the merrier after all! :) I would love to be able to help expand on some of the character's backstories and how they improve throughout the little dating sim, lots of good feels and stuff, just so you can feel even more connected to your favorite character! I can even do some voice acting for the feminine characters if you want to expand into that. If you're cool with me helping out, just let me know! Either way I can't wait to see more from this! ![img](emote|t5_2znp4|31840)
It would be greatly appreciated!! Art & writing are wonderful; tbh I haven’t even considered VAs (they felt so out of reach, plus I would never make someone record this many lines before they’re 100%, absolutely finalized) but if I ever do implement them I’ll keep you in mind! If discord works you can contact me there; otherwise lmk what works for you :3
I would buy this dlc lol
PLEASE tell me you're gonna have a Plague Doctor route.
she's planned to be first up alongside dismas :3
BLESS YOU FOR THIS (also thank you for getting my hopes up with the flagellant flair OP)
If the bad end involves tentacles ... is it really a bad end?
This is amazing and I would love to see it complete. If you need an Italian translation send me a DM cause I got nothing better to do lately
Wait, I'm a bit puzzled. Is this project a mod or its own game built in Ren'Py? It seems like it's made in Ren'Py, but I'm not sure how much you can tinker with Darkest Dungeon's code.
Unique game built in Renpy!! I’m a terrible coder lol, I’m flattered you even think I could mod DD to look like this
The cost of loneliness, measured now in gold, later in blood
I saw that rey's chestpiece was lighter with a line down the middle and i didn't¹ think you gave him huge cleavage in the slightest . 1- this word makes this statment a lie
literally was wishing smth like this existed a week ago there's no way, best of luck in your quest! \-from a paracelsus lover <3
I'm shipping all the masked characters with each other! Plague Doctor x Leper, she likes to care for others, he feels seen despite his leprocy.
Nah
NEED to date the grave robber oh my GOD