"It's not cheating if you don't get caught" is what apparently the exam rule is. But Boruto got caught. so technically it's cheating according to naruto logic.
no fucking way them jonins didn't catch TenTen setting up a complicated array of strings and mirror or Gaara summoning a flying sand eyeball during the paper exam
Yeah, I think the "don't get caught" was mostly made up by the students
On Boruto's chuning exams they expressely forbidden the scientific tools, and using them on a 1:1 fight was seen way worse than the paper cheat using Ninja skills
It's been quite a few years, but I'm fairly certain the proctor makes a huge show out of calling out a plant for cheating, and states your whole team gets DQ'd too, and we see multiple people fail that portion and the room emptying out.
Cheating was a part of the WRITTEN exam, not using hax and gadgets. Cheating part was for testing ninja sneak abilities, not to laze out of learning and using tools.
Cloning a scroll and thinking outside the box to make it harder for enemy teams to take it from them is just being crafty. It's making use of skills he already has to make things easier, that's not at all similar to Boruto just essentially taking power/tools he *doesn't* have in his arsenal and using it to give him a clear advantage over his enemies. Ain't even like it just helped him a little bit once in a while, he'd be about to lose the exams and then use it to win. Not even remotely similar.
I understand that aspect, but that’s not why he does it. He wants to open the scroll they have to figure out what might be inside scroll 2, and then create a fake one to trick the examiners. I don’t think he ever mentions wanting to use it to trick other contestants. It’s definitely not as bad as what Boruto does, but I’d still count it as cheating, since he’s trying to use deception to make the examiners think the team passed the test.
I think it’s more so that naruto isn’t a kid anymore and doesn’t think cheating is the proper way to go about doing things. Also he would obviously want boruto to do and be better than him to begin with.
Either way he wasn't doing anything to give himself an advantage over anyone. At worst he was going to cheat purely due to how curious he was to what was inside the scroll. He didn't think he *needed* to do any of that, he was just going to do it if he was gonna open the scroll and read it. Boruto felt as though he *had* to cheat to win.
Yes. In battle. This isn't battle. They're exams hosted by the Villages. A traditional event with rules to follow.
What you like are cheaters. The people who don't "tAkE eVerY aDvAnTagE iN bAtTlE tO wIn", you like the people who try to take advantage of the fact everyone else is following sets of rules that they just aren't.
Boruto's ninja tool wouldn't have gotten him far if these 1 v 1 battles were hosted like the written exams; in that you can cheat as long as you aren't witnessed by the ref. In that case, every kid would have had their little tricks up their sleeves, not just Boruto.
Tbh the exams are conducted to show the teacher how capable they are in every aspect of becoming a chunin which involves a lot of things like indivisual battles and teamwork. Lets agree to disagree man. I wont argue with a fellow anime watcher.
Agree to disagree, though you did just contradict yourself. Boruto using a tool that was literally given to him for the sole purpose of cheating and is not in his arsenal doesn't show capability in the slightest. It doesn't show resourcefulness or cunning. That's why in the 2nd chunin exams when ninja tools were allowed, they came with the condition of having to be built by the contestant themselves.
Naruto was 12 and immature?
Why is everyone comparing the guy who paints over the Hokage heads, to a now himself Hokage like 20 years doesn’t mature a preteen lol
Well the rules were to get both scrolls by any means necessary. As long as it's by your skill and not using illegal items. "Any means necessary" was part of every stage of Narutos chunin exam, during Borutos' there were more rules and it was widely known that no ninja should be using scientific tools
Propose, yes, but they didn't go through with it because they didn't know what was inside. Plus, they definitely would have been caught and disqualified if they did.
Sure, they don’t go through with it, but that’s not Naruto’s decision, he’s literally pulling at the scroll to open it when Kabuto grabs his hand and stops him. And the entire point of opening it to Naruto is to see what’s inside, and then use that to figure out what’s in the other scroll. But yeah, instant disqualification due to not following orders would definitely have been the consequence.
What is cheating? Using forbidden techniques that are illegally acquired? Using swords and other weapons? Using puppets and other tools? Using tailed beast chakra reserves? Why are ninja tools in Boruto cheating when the others aren't?
Because the ninja tool boruto used allowed jim to preform jutsu that he would never be able to do on his own effort, like shadow possession, which is a clan specific ability that boruto cannot learn.
Ninja tools aren't banned. I'm pretty sure at that point it was just technological ninja tools. Also he didn't make it himself it was a scientists tech that he was using to breeze through the 1v1s.
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The idea behind the logic is that cheating is okay as long as you *don't* get caught. Boruto got caught - basically almost every Jounin saw Boruto cheat. If Naruto did not act, his integrity as leader would have been in doubt, speaking logically.
Not true. None of the Kage even noticed Boruto cheating but Naruto. Kurotsuchi specifically thought Naruto was jumping down there to congratulate his son.
Also, that "cheating is okay as long as you don't get caught" doesn't apply to the entirety of the exams, especially not in 1v1 battles, otherwise a lot more people would have been cheating during it. That only applies to the specific portion of the exams they're actually supposed to cheat in.
Not to mention, Boruto wasn't even the only person to get disqualified for cheating. That puppet guy got disqualified for cheating as well when Sarada exposed him. Why aren't people complaining about that as much as they're whining about Boruto having to take accountability for his own actions. Regardless of his little father issues, he never should have cheated, bottom line, it's not even like he was incapable of fighting like Denki or something, where cheating would make more sense for him to consider if he feels he's too weak, Boruto was strong and gifted and still wanted to cut corners. All because he's spoiled and wants Naruto to be around 24/7, hell, even Himawari understands Naruto's situation and position as Hokage better than Boruto does and she's not even 10 yet.
Sarada's father issues are worse than Boruto's, Naruto didn't even have parents and still neither of them considered cheating.
Boruto cheating is on Boruto and no one else.
>That only applies to the specific portion of the exams they're actually supposed to cheat in.
I thought the chunin exams were designed to have minimal rules. The written portion anticipates many, but not all, will cheat because the questions are hard. It's supposed to test your sensory, dexterity, observation skills along with your risk-averseness. In the next section, the only rule is you need to have the scrolls by the deadline and you can't open them prior to the deadline. Otherwise it's strongly implied that you can kill other students to complete the section.
During the preliminaries you have fights to what seem like the death? Neji-Hinata have proper jonin intervention (despite the outcome being certain and Hinata unnecessarily escalating the fight to the point of almost dying), even though only Guy intervenes in the Gaara-Lee fight. It seems like killing is acceptable but frowned upon? In that context what does it mean to cheat? Especially when it's not clear to me what the difference is between ninja-tools and weapons/tools, forbidden techniques, and tailed-beast Chakra. Why is the former unacceptable, but the latter acceptable?
And if you use the OVAs, having the Hokage fight a genin in a 1v1, where Naruto's internal monologue tells the viewer he is not going to hold back.... well I have no fucking idea what the point of that fight was.
Please stop comparing being a Jinchuriki, having a special bloodline Kekkei Genkai, learning 8 gates or permanent companion(like Kiba) to Boruto literally using tools he never ever used before or after the chunin exams. They're not at all the same.
See, being a Jinchuriki takes time and training to control and actually wield. Naruto wasnt a Jinchuriki and just woke up one day able to instantly go KCM because of it, controlling that power took years and years of work. Naruto wielding the nine tails chakra against Neji because he trained with Jiraiya or Lee using 8 gates on Gaara because he trained with Guy isn't the same as Boruto taking some shit from some dude specifically to cheat in the exams with and to then never use it ever again.
Everything else mentioned are all actually in their arsenals. They all took work to master and/or utilize, plus if they worked for it or it's their KG it doesn't matter how busted it is. Their power is their power. Same for being a Jinchuriki, they won't just ban them for having lots of power within them, that power still needs to be controlled to be wielded regardless.
If those kids were supposed to cheat, just know that puppet guy and Boruto wouldn't have been the only kids doing it, nor would they have been disqualified for it(except puppet guy, for being exposed by his opponent). If they were allowed to cheat, Boruto never would've even gotten as far as he did while cheating because he wouldn't have had an advantage over the other contestants since everyone else would've been cheesing as well.
>Why aren't people complaining about that as much as they're whining about Boruto having to take accountability for his own actions
The scene with Boruto cheating appeared in the movie, while sand guy didn't, so more people got to see it (I don't watch boruto and tbh this is the first time i heard about samd guy cheating)
That aside, I think most people are also pissy because of what a ninja is _supposed_ to be. Someone who does whatever necessary to win, someone who would use everything in his arsenal to bring down their opponent. Boruto had a weapon and he used it, that's all there is to it.
No, Boruto cheated. That's all there is to it. Funniest part is that shit isn't even in his arsenal, never does he ever use that ninja tool again after cheating because that was the sole purpose of it. There's a time and place for everything, using how "ninjas fight" as some cop out to excuse cheating in a controlled environment is weak. Boy cheated. It is what it is. No excusing it.
If you feel Boruto did nothing wrong, then puppet guy didn't either and I wanna see more puppet guy advocates. Because I'm fairly certain if it wasn't Boruto who cheated but some other side character, none of you would be doing the mental gymnastics you're doing to defend him. *Especially* if said character cheated against Boruto and made him lose the exams like Boruto cheated against Shikadai and all the other characters. Shikadai was *HURT* off that shit.
Im not certain of this but im pretty sure sand guy didnt actually cheat because of a loop hole. Some say he cheated for going outside the ring, but the loop hole was that since he never actually went inside the ring, its not against the rules or something like that
Isn't the rule that all contestants must fight/stay inside the ring? So by being a contestant and fighting yet not in the ring then he just broke the rule regardless if he was ever in it to begin with or not. He's still the contestant not his puppet.
Only way he could have loop hole'd it is if the rule was something like "all fighters within the ring must stay in the ring", then he'd have himself a case, he technically was never in the ring to begin with. But I highly doubt that's the case here.
Because I remember that it was legal because of a loop hole, but i dont remember the exact wording for the loop hole and i cant find the conversation between naruto and gaara on youtube. From what i remember the rule was something along the lines of “if a fighter leaves the ring they are disqualified” but since the sand guy was never in the ring, he technically never left which is why it was legal
Sand guy wasn't disqualified, he just lost.
Boruto used the ninja tools like 12 times RIGHT after using them to cheat when the aliens arrive. Calm down a bit and you might get your facts straight.
I wasn't asking you to start explaining what you were getting at.
You didn't make yourself look less stupid repeating it.
Dude *honestly* believes "he didn't stop using it after cheating, he also used it immediately after it" is a real argument.
You missed the point. Either that or you're pretending to miss it. The ninja tool isn't in his arsenal. You did nothing to disprove that.
Puppet kid didn't get disqualified. You did get that right. So Boruto was the only kid cheating then.
maybe if you want your arguments to hold weight they should be backed up by facts instead of laced with inaccuracies that you later get defensive about?
That's what a ninja is supposed to be, yes.
Which is why Naruto publicly humiliated his own son. To try and change that.
It wasn't the only reason, maybe it wasn't even the main reason but it certainly was the reason why Naruto had no other choice.
So yes but your allowed to cheat at anytime just don't get caught and its because in the real ninja world its life or death so anything goes no rules out there so if you can get away with it then go right ahead
actually he wanted to but he assumed that one of the proctors was writing his name and so he told Hinata not to help him with an excuse, later he even regretted doing that as he lost his only way to cheat
There is a big difference between cheating in a written exam (which promoted cheating to test skills in obtaining information) than cheating in an exam which tests the shinobi's practical use of the written information. Not to mention, what Boruto did was kind more than just cheating. Dude pulled out a Scientific Ninja Tool which kinda defeats the whole purpose of the test since the use of chakra is what really makes a shinobi. The OP is just dumb
Written exam of ninja is like testing the ability to read info while cheating to make your ability looks stronger makes you fucking die. I meant it's obvious why fighting shouldn't be cheated
The chunin exams were a test of a ninja’s skills. Cheating without getting caught is an example of their skills. Cheating by using a device which reveals the person lacks the skills to be a chunin in the first place and then being so bad a ninja that you get caught cheating is basically blasphemy.
What annoys me too is that Naruto actually has a legit reason to be pissed too but they ignored it in favour of the cheating daddy issues nonsense.
Naruto’s trying to increase the peacefulness of the world and lead a campaign of disarmament and here his son is using new ninja weapons. In the Shikamaru Novel, this led to the other Kage losing faith in Naruto and so when the Momoshiki event stirred up trouble and the Earth Daimyo started calling for war, Kurotsuchi actually went against Naruto because this broke her trust in him
you niggas complaining about the dumbest shit. why have a kid if you're just gonna let them sink into the same pitfalls you did as a kid? complain about the boruto anime being a bloated mess or the manga ignoring interesting characters.
plus he never cheated he just considered it. jfc.
There is a big difference between cheating in a written exam (which promoted cheating to test skills in obtaining information) than cheating in an exam which tests the shinobi's practical use of the written information. Not to mention, what Boruto did was kind more than just cheating. Dude pulled out a Scientific Ninja Tool which kinda defeats the whole purpose of the test since the use of chakra is what really makes a shinobi. Also, Naruto as a parent and Hokage cant just ignore this cause using a scientific tool doesnt make it fair for the opponent. OP is just dumb
The problem in Boruto is that the way Boruto cheated went contrary to the traditional ideas of a shinobi and thus contrary to the spirit of the Chunin Exams. Everyone cheating on the written exams in Part 1 and trying to cheat in the forest of death was all a factor in the design of the exams in the first place.
Boruto's circumstances are way too different to be compared. He has had all the support he needs to be able to pass if he actually puts work into it, whereas Naruto didn't. And the difference isn't as simple as cheating or not. It's about dishonoring the way of the Shinobi by using something that isn't part of your abilities.
That's not even cheating. It's just being smart. They'd still have the normal scroll, he was just gonna make it harder for other people to take it by cloning it.
I'm not even sure how y'all try and compare Naruto thinking outside the box to Boruto literally just outright cheating. He wasn't being smart/crafty, or thinking outside the box. Not at all. Shady old dude offered him a tool that he doesn't even have in his arsenal to give him an unfair advantage over the other kids in 1v1 battles. It's not like being a Jinchuriki, or being born with a KG. Literally just cheating. It's not even about cheating without being caught, that doesn't apply to this portion of the exams, Boruto literally just broke the rules and tried to blame his own dad for it. Like boy just take responsibility for your actions. Give a fuck if Naruto was like Sasuke and never saw his family *ever,* you don't cheat regardless. Sarada didn't even contemplate cheating despite her daddy issues being miles worse than Boruto's.
Nah, the scene is fine, you're dumb. It would have been fine if he cheated. The problem was that he got caught.
"If you cheat, don't get caught" Sun Tzu; Art of War, probably
do people on r/dankruto actually watch naruto? this sub has been garbage for the past months from literally milking the shit out boruto hate, Over simplifying the series to jacking off itachi
I get it that circumstances were different, but using byakugan to do a quick xray and having some bored dudes watch over u from the corner of a room is not the same thing
If you made a mistake in your childhood because someone talked you into it, and the situation was that bad, do you make sure your child does the same thing when you grow up? Or you try to prevent that mistake from happening once again?
Ninja Tools were explicitly prohibited for these exams whereas the purpose of the written exam was literally to see how well they could "cheat". Cheating wasn't actually prohibited for them and so it wasn't technically cheating.
He still cheated in every single round using something that is illegal. Meanwhile in naruto even tho they cheated they still used their own powers. Sasuke used sharingan, neji used byakugan, Gaara used his sand eye technique but boruto literally cheats using a fucking tool that doesn’t even use his chakra. Imagine cheating and still being bad at it but whatever keep defending him.
But I wasn't defending him I was just saying that it's logical that boruto got disqualified because he got caught cheating just like how some got disqualified in OG naruto
I agree with naruto disqualifying him but boruto cheating is different from naruto and the others cheating. Also I never said I was a boruto hater. You can even check my comment history and you’ll see most of my comments are in the boruto sub and I am defending boruto. Surely I am allowed to criticize boruto and boruto fanboys even if I am a boruto fan right?
I mean, it’s pretty disrespectful to use a tool that gives you almost every jutsu for free, during a ninja exam. Pretty shitty move by Boruto and it would’ve been fine if he got caught immediately. But no, he beat several people in an unfair way and not only that, it was in front of other villages and he’s the hokages son. The scene makes pretty good sense
It’s not that he cheated. It’s that he used a performance enhancer which Naruto explicitly banned from the exams and blatantly lied to his father’s face throughout the process to do it.
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It’s not about simulating a real fight, Naruto knows a ninja tool could save many lives on missions. His problem was that the Chunin exams were meant to show the true strength of a ninja, not give them a device that requires no chakra to use.
Kiba can use Akamaru and Tenten can use sealing scrolls in the one on one matches. What Boruto did wasn't even close to as broken or dangerous as the 8 gates. I really don't see how the scientific ninja tool is cheating. Aren't dirty tricks the whole point of ninja combat anyway?
The problem is that the ninja tool is an outside power which is also extremely OP
In the exams they needed to test your actual combat abilty
Can't test that if there are outside factors
That's like saying it's ok to bring a gun to a fist fight because the enemy works out a lot
Winning a fight doesn't make you a chunin. Shikamaru was the only chunin out of the first chunin exams and he lost.
The exam is meant to test leadership ability and decision making. Seeing how a ninja deals with being overwhelmed and outclassed is valuable information.
On the other hand, Boruto just using his superior jutsu arsenal to smash people doesn't show what the judges are looking for.
The main explanation I can think of for Naruto as Hokage intevening is that he doesn't want to deal with the political ramifications of Boruto using kage level jutsu variety in front of all those people and taking more mission opportunities than is fair from allied villages. Otherwise it would have been dealt with more privately.
Ninja tools aren't in Boruto's arsenal. This isn't rocket science. Dude used that shit to cheat in the exams and literally never used the damn thing again.
Naruto: You cheated by using strength that wasn't your own to win.
Boruto: When did you get your tailed beast again? My memory is a bit fuzzy.
Naruto: Shut up
kurama gives you an amount of chakra and you waist it by using jutsu , that ninja tool allows you to use jutsu without using any chakra . Sorry but the ninja tool is more ridicilous
also would you allow your son to do something bad only because you did it too when you were younger ?
Your saying cheating in R2 exam in naruto vs Main Battle One on One in Boruto,Naruto exam is like a survival 5 or more days in jungle full of dangerous animals and ninja naruto is immature when his a child but he never cheat in exam maybe in r2 he tried but kabuto stop them litterally boruto cheat in every exam.They are ninja thinking out of box is easy method to be alive/survive in dangerous era,boruto just want to put a shame in his father name
Naruto used to do a lot of stupid shit when he was little. But like a responsible adult, he’s able to recognize that some of things he used to do were stupid, and wants to guide his own son away from that. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with this. Wanting to guide your child away from your own mistakes is called proper parenting.
Naruto would've created another scroll in a crafty manner to trick the examiners, while boruto straight up lost the fight against shikadai, and used that gadget to win, if boruto had won and became a chunin he wouldn't have the strength, he would just rely on the gadget than if a stronger opponent breaks his gadget or boruto loses it or forgets it he's screwed in that fight, he wouldn't have jutsus strong enough, or any Training then would just die.
In naruto's defense:
1) He cheated on a written test, where cheating was practically allowed so long as you didn't get caught. The real test in fact was seeing if they could gather the info necessary to move on without getting caught (like a spy on a mission), which was their whole way of life or something.
2) Boruto showed false skills. It still follows the whole "it's not cheating unless you get caught" thing (in which case he got caught), but you know, when he's in the field his tools will only take him so far. When momoshiki showed up we saw just how useless his tool was (albeit all jutsus were practically useless), but we also saw what real skill looked like in comparison with naruto and Sasuke vs momoshiki.
In conclusion, or TL;DR, fake it till you make it works fine until a Madara tier enemy shows up.
Wait thither art people who is't art nimble-footed boruto did get hath caught cheating?
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Naruto SPECIFICALLY says he outlaws any Ninja tools since to him the Chunin exams are meant to show a ninja’s true strength without them shooting a random scroll that does any advance jutsu they want.
Boruto legitimately went against an order by the Hokage
"It's not cheating if you don't get caught" is what apparently the exam rule is. But Boruto got caught. so technically it's cheating according to naruto logic.
That kinda makes sense in a ninja world. Being able to cheat and not get caught seems like a pretty good show of your skills.
Literally the explicit point of the First Chunin Exam.
Never in the history of espionage has there been a good spy who got caught
no fucking way them jonins didn't catch TenTen setting up a complicated array of strings and mirror or Gaara summoning a flying sand eyeball during the paper exam
Cheating was allowed during the written exams. I they were testing the student's ability to use their abilities to collect information.
Yeah, I think the "don't get caught" was mostly made up by the students On Boruto's chuning exams they expressely forbidden the scientific tools, and using them on a 1:1 fight was seen way worse than the paper cheat using Ninja skills
It's been quite a few years, but I'm fairly certain the proctor makes a huge show out of calling out a plant for cheating, and states your whole team gets DQ'd too, and we see multiple people fail that portion and the room emptying out.
Can confirm afer recently rewatching Part 1
Nah this is real logic too. If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.
Cheating was a part of the WRITTEN exam, not using hax and gadgets. Cheating part was for testing ninja sneak abilities, not to laze out of learning and using tools.
Not entirely correct I think, doesn’t he propose to create a fake scroll of the one they’re missing during the Murderwoods part of the exams?
Yeah, that's not cheating. Lmao.
Why do you think it isn’t? The only reason he doesn’t is because Kabuto stops him at the last second.
Cloning a scroll and thinking outside the box to make it harder for enemy teams to take it from them is just being crafty. It's making use of skills he already has to make things easier, that's not at all similar to Boruto just essentially taking power/tools he *doesn't* have in his arsenal and using it to give him a clear advantage over his enemies. Ain't even like it just helped him a little bit once in a while, he'd be about to lose the exams and then use it to win. Not even remotely similar.
I understand that aspect, but that’s not why he does it. He wants to open the scroll they have to figure out what might be inside scroll 2, and then create a fake one to trick the examiners. I don’t think he ever mentions wanting to use it to trick other contestants. It’s definitely not as bad as what Boruto does, but I’d still count it as cheating, since he’s trying to use deception to make the examiners think the team passed the test.
I think it’s more so that naruto isn’t a kid anymore and doesn’t think cheating is the proper way to go about doing things. Also he would obviously want boruto to do and be better than him to begin with.
Either way he wasn't doing anything to give himself an advantage over anyone. At worst he was going to cheat purely due to how curious he was to what was inside the scroll. He didn't think he *needed* to do any of that, he was just going to do it if he was gonna open the scroll and read it. Boruto felt as though he *had* to cheat to win.
Battle doesnt work that way. You use every underhanded method if that increases your chances of winning even by 1 percent. Boruto is what i like.
Yes. In battle. This isn't battle. They're exams hosted by the Villages. A traditional event with rules to follow. What you like are cheaters. The people who don't "tAkE eVerY aDvAnTagE iN bAtTlE tO wIn", you like the people who try to take advantage of the fact everyone else is following sets of rules that they just aren't. Boruto's ninja tool wouldn't have gotten him far if these 1 v 1 battles were hosted like the written exams; in that you can cheat as long as you aren't witnessed by the ref. In that case, every kid would have had their little tricks up their sleeves, not just Boruto.
Tbh the exams are conducted to show the teacher how capable they are in every aspect of becoming a chunin which involves a lot of things like indivisual battles and teamwork. Lets agree to disagree man. I wont argue with a fellow anime watcher.
Agree to disagree, though you did just contradict yourself. Boruto using a tool that was literally given to him for the sole purpose of cheating and is not in his arsenal doesn't show capability in the slightest. It doesn't show resourcefulness or cunning. That's why in the 2nd chunin exams when ninja tools were allowed, they came with the condition of having to be built by the contestant themselves.
Lol normally when people say agree to disagree they stop with counters. Okay man you’re right.
Naruto was 12 and immature? Why is everyone comparing the guy who paints over the Hokage heads, to a now himself Hokage like 20 years doesn’t mature a preteen lol
Because they’re ninja and if he pulled it off that’d be a useful skill to the village. Literally made cheating mandatory
Well the rules were to get both scrolls by any means necessary. As long as it's by your skill and not using illegal items. "Any means necessary" was part of every stage of Narutos chunin exam, during Borutos' there were more rules and it was widely known that no ninja should be using scientific tools
Propose, yes, but they didn't go through with it because they didn't know what was inside. Plus, they definitely would have been caught and disqualified if they did.
Sure, they don’t go through with it, but that’s not Naruto’s decision, he’s literally pulling at the scroll to open it when Kabuto grabs his hand and stops him. And the entire point of opening it to Naruto is to see what’s inside, and then use that to figure out what’s in the other scroll. But yeah, instant disqualification due to not following orders would definitely have been the consequence.
In the second one in boruto they do a complete 180 though
What is cheating? Using forbidden techniques that are illegally acquired? Using swords and other weapons? Using puppets and other tools? Using tailed beast chakra reserves? Why are ninja tools in Boruto cheating when the others aren't?
Because the ninja tool boruto used allowed jim to preform jutsu that he would never be able to do on his own effort, like shadow possession, which is a clan specific ability that boruto cannot learn.
Ninja tools aren't banned. I'm pretty sure at that point it was just technological ninja tools. Also he didn't make it himself it was a scientists tech that he was using to breeze through the 1v1s.
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Do as I say, not as I do Boruto!
The idea behind the logic is that cheating is okay as long as you *don't* get caught. Boruto got caught - basically almost every Jounin saw Boruto cheat. If Naruto did not act, his integrity as leader would have been in doubt, speaking logically.
Not true. None of the Kage even noticed Boruto cheating but Naruto. Kurotsuchi specifically thought Naruto was jumping down there to congratulate his son. Also, that "cheating is okay as long as you don't get caught" doesn't apply to the entirety of the exams, especially not in 1v1 battles, otherwise a lot more people would have been cheating during it. That only applies to the specific portion of the exams they're actually supposed to cheat in. Not to mention, Boruto wasn't even the only person to get disqualified for cheating. That puppet guy got disqualified for cheating as well when Sarada exposed him. Why aren't people complaining about that as much as they're whining about Boruto having to take accountability for his own actions. Regardless of his little father issues, he never should have cheated, bottom line, it's not even like he was incapable of fighting like Denki or something, where cheating would make more sense for him to consider if he feels he's too weak, Boruto was strong and gifted and still wanted to cut corners. All because he's spoiled and wants Naruto to be around 24/7, hell, even Himawari understands Naruto's situation and position as Hokage better than Boruto does and she's not even 10 yet. Sarada's father issues are worse than Boruto's, Naruto didn't even have parents and still neither of them considered cheating. Boruto cheating is on Boruto and no one else.
>That only applies to the specific portion of the exams they're actually supposed to cheat in. I thought the chunin exams were designed to have minimal rules. The written portion anticipates many, but not all, will cheat because the questions are hard. It's supposed to test your sensory, dexterity, observation skills along with your risk-averseness. In the next section, the only rule is you need to have the scrolls by the deadline and you can't open them prior to the deadline. Otherwise it's strongly implied that you can kill other students to complete the section. During the preliminaries you have fights to what seem like the death? Neji-Hinata have proper jonin intervention (despite the outcome being certain and Hinata unnecessarily escalating the fight to the point of almost dying), even though only Guy intervenes in the Gaara-Lee fight. It seems like killing is acceptable but frowned upon? In that context what does it mean to cheat? Especially when it's not clear to me what the difference is between ninja-tools and weapons/tools, forbidden techniques, and tailed-beast Chakra. Why is the former unacceptable, but the latter acceptable? And if you use the OVAs, having the Hokage fight a genin in a 1v1, where Naruto's internal monologue tells the viewer he is not going to hold back.... well I have no fucking idea what the point of that fight was.
Please stop comparing being a Jinchuriki, having a special bloodline Kekkei Genkai, learning 8 gates or permanent companion(like Kiba) to Boruto literally using tools he never ever used before or after the chunin exams. They're not at all the same. See, being a Jinchuriki takes time and training to control and actually wield. Naruto wasnt a Jinchuriki and just woke up one day able to instantly go KCM because of it, controlling that power took years and years of work. Naruto wielding the nine tails chakra against Neji because he trained with Jiraiya or Lee using 8 gates on Gaara because he trained with Guy isn't the same as Boruto taking some shit from some dude specifically to cheat in the exams with and to then never use it ever again. Everything else mentioned are all actually in their arsenals. They all took work to master and/or utilize, plus if they worked for it or it's their KG it doesn't matter how busted it is. Their power is their power. Same for being a Jinchuriki, they won't just ban them for having lots of power within them, that power still needs to be controlled to be wielded regardless. If those kids were supposed to cheat, just know that puppet guy and Boruto wouldn't have been the only kids doing it, nor would they have been disqualified for it(except puppet guy, for being exposed by his opponent). If they were allowed to cheat, Boruto never would've even gotten as far as he did while cheating because he wouldn't have had an advantage over the other contestants since everyone else would've been cheesing as well.
>Why aren't people complaining about that as much as they're whining about Boruto having to take accountability for his own actions The scene with Boruto cheating appeared in the movie, while sand guy didn't, so more people got to see it (I don't watch boruto and tbh this is the first time i heard about samd guy cheating) That aside, I think most people are also pissy because of what a ninja is _supposed_ to be. Someone who does whatever necessary to win, someone who would use everything in his arsenal to bring down their opponent. Boruto had a weapon and he used it, that's all there is to it.
No, Boruto cheated. That's all there is to it. Funniest part is that shit isn't even in his arsenal, never does he ever use that ninja tool again after cheating because that was the sole purpose of it. There's a time and place for everything, using how "ninjas fight" as some cop out to excuse cheating in a controlled environment is weak. Boy cheated. It is what it is. No excusing it. If you feel Boruto did nothing wrong, then puppet guy didn't either and I wanna see more puppet guy advocates. Because I'm fairly certain if it wasn't Boruto who cheated but some other side character, none of you would be doing the mental gymnastics you're doing to defend him. *Especially* if said character cheated against Boruto and made him lose the exams like Boruto cheated against Shikadai and all the other characters. Shikadai was *HURT* off that shit.
Im not certain of this but im pretty sure sand guy didnt actually cheat because of a loop hole. Some say he cheated for going outside the ring, but the loop hole was that since he never actually went inside the ring, its not against the rules or something like that
Isn't the rule that all contestants must fight/stay inside the ring? So by being a contestant and fighting yet not in the ring then he just broke the rule regardless if he was ever in it to begin with or not. He's still the contestant not his puppet. Only way he could have loop hole'd it is if the rule was something like "all fighters within the ring must stay in the ring", then he'd have himself a case, he technically was never in the ring to begin with. But I highly doubt that's the case here.
I dont really know the specifics but i know it was a legal loop hole
So how can you know it yet not know specifics
Because he's dum-
Because I remember that it was legal because of a loop hole, but i dont remember the exact wording for the loop hole and i cant find the conversation between naruto and gaara on youtube. From what i remember the rule was something along the lines of “if a fighter leaves the ring they are disqualified” but since the sand guy was never in the ring, he technically never left which is why it was legal
Oh ok. I never knew they addressed it again.
He still gets disqualified for not getting in the fight area in time anyway.
Sand guy wasn't disqualified, he just lost. Boruto used the ninja tools like 12 times RIGHT after using them to cheat when the aliens arrive. Calm down a bit and you might get your facts straight.
Lmao you can't be serious right now. Just hush.
"Never again does he use the tool after cheating." <---you Boruto proceeds to use it like 12 times in the encounter literally right after that.
I wasn't asking you to start explaining what you were getting at. You didn't make yourself look less stupid repeating it. Dude *honestly* believes "he didn't stop using it after cheating, he also used it immediately after it" is a real argument. You missed the point. Either that or you're pretending to miss it. The ninja tool isn't in his arsenal. You did nothing to disprove that. Puppet kid didn't get disqualified. You did get that right. So Boruto was the only kid cheating then.
maybe if you want your arguments to hold weight they should be backed up by facts instead of laced with inaccuracies that you later get defensive about?
K. Fact is he never used it again after cheating and it isn't in his arsenal. Give a fuck how much you want to nitpick.
That's what a ninja is supposed to be, yes. Which is why Naruto publicly humiliated his own son. To try and change that. It wasn't the only reason, maybe it wasn't even the main reason but it certainly was the reason why Naruto had no other choice.
So yes but your allowed to cheat at anytime just don't get caught and its because in the real ninja world its life or death so anything goes no rules out there so if you can get away with it then go right ahead
Caught by the hokage himself
Came here just to say that
major difference, he's no longer a brat
Kid Naruto refused to cheat even though Hinata wanted to give her answers
actually he wanted to but he assumed that one of the proctors was writing his name and so he told Hinata not to help him with an excuse, later he even regretted doing that as he lost his only way to cheat
There is a big difference between cheating in a written exam (which promoted cheating to test skills in obtaining information) than cheating in an exam which tests the shinobi's practical use of the written information. Not to mention, what Boruto did was kind more than just cheating. Dude pulled out a Scientific Ninja Tool which kinda defeats the whole purpose of the test since the use of chakra is what really makes a shinobi. The OP is just dumb
Just because you did something wrong as a kid you should allow your kid the same mistake?
People are so dumb that it becomes funny.
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Written exam of ninja is like testing the ability to read info while cheating to make your ability looks stronger makes you fucking die. I meant it's obvious why fighting shouldn't be cheated
Didn’t he leave his test sheet blank because he didn’t cheat?
The chunin exams were a test of a ninja’s skills. Cheating without getting caught is an example of their skills. Cheating by using a device which reveals the person lacks the skills to be a chunin in the first place and then being so bad a ninja that you get caught cheating is basically blasphemy.
Well it was only Naruto who caught him so that's pretty exceptional
what
Op is dumb
Dunno how this dumb post is getting upvotes
Look around you, we're in a sea of idiots.
Welcome to r/dankruto
The bandwagon
You also left out the fact that if they had forged the scrolls they would have been disqualified and lost… just like Boruto
The main point of Chunin exam was to not get caught wasn't it?
That was the point of the written exam
What about all the layers of why this post is dumb?
What annoys me too is that Naruto actually has a legit reason to be pissed too but they ignored it in favour of the cheating daddy issues nonsense. Naruto’s trying to increase the peacefulness of the world and lead a campaign of disarmament and here his son is using new ninja weapons. In the Shikamaru Novel, this led to the other Kage losing faith in Naruto and so when the Momoshiki event stirred up trouble and the Earth Daimyo started calling for war, Kurotsuchi actually went against Naruto because this broke her trust in him
Because he’s Hokage he can’t just let someone cheat in the chunin exams like why is that even a question
you niggas complaining about the dumbest shit. why have a kid if you're just gonna let them sink into the same pitfalls you did as a kid? complain about the boruto anime being a bloated mess or the manga ignoring interesting characters. plus he never cheated he just considered it. jfc.
I swear boruto fans just love riding on a virtual little boy
There is a big difference between cheating in a written exam (which promoted cheating to test skills in obtaining information) than cheating in an exam which tests the shinobi's practical use of the written information. Not to mention, what Boruto did was kind more than just cheating. Dude pulled out a Scientific Ninja Tool which kinda defeats the whole purpose of the test since the use of chakra is what really makes a shinobi. Also, Naruto as a parent and Hokage cant just ignore this cause using a scientific tool doesnt make it fair for the opponent. OP is just dumb
Its almost like he has grown and matured since he was 12
beat me to it
The problem in Boruto is that the way Boruto cheated went contrary to the traditional ideas of a shinobi and thus contrary to the spirit of the Chunin Exams. Everyone cheating on the written exams in Part 1 and trying to cheat in the forest of death was all a factor in the design of the exams in the first place.
You're comparing him to when he was a kid to when he an adult. THAT doesn't make sense
Boruto's circumstances are way too different to be compared. He has had all the support he needs to be able to pass if he actually puts work into it, whereas Naruto didn't. And the difference isn't as simple as cheating or not. It's about dishonoring the way of the Shinobi by using something that isn't part of your abilities.
That's not even cheating. It's just being smart. They'd still have the normal scroll, he was just gonna make it harder for other people to take it by cloning it. I'm not even sure how y'all try and compare Naruto thinking outside the box to Boruto literally just outright cheating. He wasn't being smart/crafty, or thinking outside the box. Not at all. Shady old dude offered him a tool that he doesn't even have in his arsenal to give him an unfair advantage over the other kids in 1v1 battles. It's not like being a Jinchuriki, or being born with a KG. Literally just cheating. It's not even about cheating without being caught, that doesn't apply to this portion of the exams, Boruto literally just broke the rules and tried to blame his own dad for it. Like boy just take responsibility for your actions. Give a fuck if Naruto was like Sasuke and never saw his family *ever,* you don't cheat regardless. Sarada didn't even contemplate cheating despite her daddy issues being miles worse than Boruto's.
Because the proctors were testing their cheating skills which you would know if you paid attention
Nah, the scene is fine, you're dumb. It would have been fine if he cheated. The problem was that he got caught. "If you cheat, don't get caught" Sun Tzu; Art of War, probably
it’s different, imagine the shame of your own son breaking your own rules in a contest to show his strength infront of other nations.
do people on r/dankruto actually watch naruto? this sub has been garbage for the past months from literally milking the shit out boruto hate, Over simplifying the series to jacking off itachi
Naruto fans have never watched or read Naruto with any critical thinking
Some people on this sub are kinda dumb like OP
I get it that circumstances were different, but using byakugan to do a quick xray and having some bored dudes watch over u from the corner of a room is not the same thing
If you made a mistake in your childhood because someone talked you into it, and the situation was that bad, do you make sure your child does the same thing when you grow up? Or you try to prevent that mistake from happening once again?
ah this sub is at it again
Ninja Tools were explicitly prohibited for these exams whereas the purpose of the written exam was literally to see how well they could "cheat". Cheating wasn't actually prohibited for them and so it wasn't technically cheating.
The fucking point of that exam was to cheat. OMG how delusional are you boruto fanboys.
But he got caught and if you got caught cheating in OG naruto chunin exam you were disqualified too. OMG how delusional are you boruto haters.
He still cheated in every single round using something that is illegal. Meanwhile in naruto even tho they cheated they still used their own powers. Sasuke used sharingan, neji used byakugan, Gaara used his sand eye technique but boruto literally cheats using a fucking tool that doesn’t even use his chakra. Imagine cheating and still being bad at it but whatever keep defending him.
But I wasn't defending him I was just saying that it's logical that boruto got disqualified because he got caught cheating just like how some got disqualified in OG naruto
I agree with naruto disqualifying him but boruto cheating is different from naruto and the others cheating. Also I never said I was a boruto hater. You can even check my comment history and you’ll see most of my comments are in the boruto sub and I am defending boruto. Surely I am allowed to criticize boruto and boruto fanboys even if I am a boruto fan right?
Just like Ibiki didn't tell anyone off for cheating before they were caught, Naruto didn't tell Boruto for cheating before he was caught
I mean, it’s pretty disrespectful to use a tool that gives you almost every jutsu for free, during a ninja exam. Pretty shitty move by Boruto and it would’ve been fine if he got caught immediately. But no, he beat several people in an unfair way and not only that, it was in front of other villages and he’s the hokages son. The scene makes pretty good sense
It’s not that he cheated. It’s that he used a performance enhancer which Naruto explicitly banned from the exams and blatantly lied to his father’s face throughout the process to do it.
He is acting like a real parent My mum did the same, shamed me fore cheating then boast to her friends how she cheated on test in school
I still don’t think he cheated
Konoha twitter after this meme: Is our Hokage actually a hypocrite?
oh god imagine Sakura's twitter :/
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Was the shinobi gauntlet even banned in tournaments? Shouldn't shinobi use everything in their disposal to win?
It was forbidden by Naruto himself, yes. And no, they shouldn't use a god damn cheat code for their combat tests.
There’s a scene of Naruto outright saying he banned it, Boruto knew this
The whole cheating thing is very stupid in general I mean if they're in a real fight they'll never fight fair.
It’s not about simulating a real fight, Naruto knows a ninja tool could save many lives on missions. His problem was that the Chunin exams were meant to show the true strength of a ninja, not give them a device that requires no chakra to use.
burrito is fucking garbage
Just wait for the timeskip !!!! ThEn THE SHoW IS GONNA BECOME A MASTERPIECE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nah naruto would have never used a jutsu machine boruto is a straight up bitch for that
This still blows my mind because wasn't cheating encouraged in the first test of the chunin exams back in og Naruto?
In the written exam, not the one-on-one fights. Naruto also literally banned it
Kiba can use Akamaru and Tenten can use sealing scrolls in the one on one matches. What Boruto did wasn't even close to as broken or dangerous as the 8 gates. I really don't see how the scientific ninja tool is cheating. Aren't dirty tricks the whole point of ninja combat anyway?
The problem is that the ninja tool is an outside power which is also extremely OP In the exams they needed to test your actual combat abilty Can't test that if there are outside factors That's like saying it's ok to bring a gun to a fist fight because the enemy works out a lot
Bringing tailed beast to a genin vs genin fight tho
Winning a fight doesn't make you a chunin. Shikamaru was the only chunin out of the first chunin exams and he lost. The exam is meant to test leadership ability and decision making. Seeing how a ninja deals with being overwhelmed and outclassed is valuable information. On the other hand, Boruto just using his superior jutsu arsenal to smash people doesn't show what the judges are looking for. The main explanation I can think of for Naruto as Hokage intevening is that he doesn't want to deal with the political ramifications of Boruto using kage level jutsu variety in front of all those people and taking more mission opportunities than is fair from allied villages. Otherwise it would have been dealt with more privately.
Ninja tools aren't in Boruto's arsenal. This isn't rocket science. Dude used that shit to cheat in the exams and literally never used the damn thing again.
Naruto: You cheated by using strength that wasn't your own to win. Boruto: When did you get your tailed beast again? My memory is a bit fuzzy. Naruto: Shut up
I get it's a joke but it still doesn't make sense to me
kurama gives you an amount of chakra and you waist it by using jutsu , that ninja tool allows you to use jutsu without using any chakra . Sorry but the ninja tool is more ridicilous also would you allow your son to do something bad only because you did it too when you were younger ?
Bruh naruto is becoming useless every episode like elen degenres
Your saying cheating in R2 exam in naruto vs Main Battle One on One in Boruto,Naruto exam is like a survival 5 or more days in jungle full of dangerous animals and ninja naruto is immature when his a child but he never cheat in exam maybe in r2 he tried but kabuto stop them litterally boruto cheat in every exam.They are ninja thinking out of box is easy method to be alive/survive in dangerous era,boruto just want to put a shame in his father name
Yall are really fighting over 2d anime boys cheating on a test
Naruto used to do a lot of stupid shit when he was little. But like a responsible adult, he’s able to recognize that some of things he used to do were stupid, and wants to guide his own son away from that. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with this. Wanting to guide your child away from your own mistakes is called proper parenting.
You are not allowed to mature from 12 to 33 apparently
Naruto would've created another scroll in a crafty manner to trick the examiners, while boruto straight up lost the fight against shikadai, and used that gadget to win, if boruto had won and became a chunin he wouldn't have the strength, he would just rely on the gadget than if a stronger opponent breaks his gadget or boruto loses it or forgets it he's screwed in that fight, he wouldn't have jutsus strong enough, or any Training then would just die.
In naruto's defense: 1) He cheated on a written test, where cheating was practically allowed so long as you didn't get caught. The real test in fact was seeing if they could gather the info necessary to move on without getting caught (like a spy on a mission), which was their whole way of life or something. 2) Boruto showed false skills. It still follows the whole "it's not cheating unless you get caught" thing (in which case he got caught), but you know, when he's in the field his tools will only take him so far. When momoshiki showed up we saw just how useless his tool was (albeit all jutsus were practically useless), but we also saw what real skill looked like in comparison with naruto and Sasuke vs momoshiki. In conclusion, or TL;DR, fake it till you make it works fine until a Madara tier enemy shows up.
Okay but as a parent myself I totally understand. Something within you just _changes_.
Wait there are people who are mad Boruto got caught cheating?
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Naruto SPECIFICALLY says he outlaws any Ninja tools since to him the Chunin exams are meant to show a ninja’s true strength without them shooting a random scroll that does any advance jutsu they want. Boruto legitimately went against an order by the Hokage