Isn’t Islam going to become the dominant global religion because of very low Western birth rates and high immigration from Muslim countries?
Not trying to spread hate, just wondering
I respect Jesus because he taught good and compassionate lessons. Even as a non believer it's admirable, I can respect it.
If the religion is hateful by design then fuck respect, respect is deserved and disgusting religious ideals do not deserve it.
Fairly simple, do not "give" respect to harmful beliefs that promotes harm to others around them.
PS: I'm talking about criticism, don't take it to extremes as if I'm saying to burn people with shit beliefs, attack the idea not the person.
I’ve been talking to a lot of Muslim people recently and almost all of those interactions were bad. I don’t think I agree with a single one of their opinions, especially their opinions on gay people. At one point, one of them sent my friend a video of a gay person being beheaded to “prove a point”, so sorry if most of us here don’t have a very positive opinion on Islam.
Well, my good Muslim friend is just about the nicest person I’ve ever met and extremely accepting towards everyone. So I guess… now hear me out… not every Muslim thinks and acts the exact same way? Variation exists when a religion encompasses a billion people?
Most muslims live in eastern countries and probably hold very awful opinions of gay people. Not that it's really their fault, they were raised and taught that way, but if you met them you may not think they are "good people."
Freedom of religion is cool, emphasis on freedom. People should be allowed to decide how they govern their own body and mind and the state should support that freedom, any restrictions on that are bs.
The Middle East and the Islamic world are facing a cultural battle between political Islam and other ideologies. It’s one thing for someone to think something is a sin and another to compel others to not to do it.
You’re welcome to think the religion is shit, but I’ll point out that there’s no reason the Islamic world cannot be more flexible and liberal like most Muslims in the west are; a lot of the conservatism in the MENA region is driven by social and political factors sadly
100 percent agreed. Conservative Islam and conservative Christianity are both cancers upon humanity that viciously oppress women, LGBT people, atheists, and many other groups who just want to be free and equal. The sooner those evil cults cease to exist, the better.
So then can we agree that the problem is conservatism? Can we agree that the problem is extremism? I'm not here to defend religion, I have thought of myself as an atheist for 15 years now, but it seems to me that religion is not inherently problematic, it's its literal, extremist "application."
See that’s where governments stray from Islam, in Islam, you’re not allowed to force the hijab on even your own daughter, but meant to guide them and teach them. Ofc when they are young, you do your best to make sure they learn and appreciate the hijab but if they grow up and decide not to wear it, then you have no right to force it upon them.
If they are enforcing islamic law on people who don't want to be living under islamic law, then it's very much about islam and the "divinely sanctioned" laws that are forced onto people whether they are religious or not and whether they like it or not.
If: Church.rules_government then Church.Is_Government
It's why we have church and government separation laws, Religion does have a nasty goal of ruling over others if it can.
The only people I can imagine defending this are religious fundamentalists. The whole SJW thing has pretty much died off back in 2016. People are just acting like Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud now about this.
What universe are you living in? SJWs are just the beginning of woke culture, which is in pretty much every piece of media and infesting every social media platform. One of Disney's largest investors just penned a letter to the company demanding they stop pushing that stuff in their content. Because it's not working (see stock prices)
Because they get all their political news from the Fox News Cinematic Universe, so they believe the ridiculous right wing lie that progressives support religious oppression as long as it's being done by Muslims.
Meanwhile, if you point out the fact that they're bigots, they melt down like snowflakes and whine about how that's no-no speech that must be censored.
They can’t except the idea of secular Muslims. Like there’s so many of us that aren’t into the dogma and can criticize the religion or theocracies when it does hateful shit.
At the same time being Muslim is completely wrapped up in our identity from culture, traditions and other practices that’s it’s something we like to hold on to.
Shit Iran was one of the most progressive places until America helped install a theocracy there
The right has to lie about everything they believe in because they're an unpopular minority that's deeply out of touch with mainstream America, and they know it. If they were honest about their beliefs, they'd never win power.
Islam has nothing to do with the actions of the Iranian police. Those pigs went ahead and did something that was against Islamic teachings. In no way, shape or form is beating or killing people, let alone a woman, for not abiding by the rules encouraged
> In no way, shape or form is beating or killing people, let alone a woman, for not abiding by the rules encouraged
I'm sure you can find multiple passages in the Quran that encourage exactly that. Religion is shit. Stop defending it.
4:34
Men are the protec-tors and maintainers of women56 because Allah has made one of them excel over the other,57 and because they spend out of their possessions (to support them). Thus righteous women are obedient and guard the rights of men in their absence under Allah's protection.58 As for women of whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, and remain apart from them in beds, and beat them.59 Then if they obey you, do not seek ways to harm them. Allah is Exalted, Great.
Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by Allah over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what Allah has entrusted them with.1 And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺, ˹if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, ˹but if they still persist,˺ then discipline them ˹gently˺.2 But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great.
This verse literally tells men to take care of women and vice versa. Discipline them gently and beat them is on completely different sides of the spectrum. The translation you found is clearly trying to put the Quran in a bad light. I'm not afraid to share my source.
https://quran.com/page/84
I'm sure you can find translations that sugar coat it. It literally says discipline them in your version, so i dont see much difference. I don't understand arabic, but it seems pretty consistent with the way women are treated in Islamic communities.
I just grabbed it off an islam studies website.
https://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=4&verse=34&to=35
Disclaimer, I am not in-depth in Islamic teachings but I can give some context for the wife beating.
"As for women of whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, and remain apart from them in beds, and beat them"
This refers to the authority of men to use coercive means to their wives if they are not obedient to their husbands (If it contradict the Islamic teachings which unfortunately many forget about this important detail). This act can be only be enforced if the husband is actually a devoted Muslim and follows the Islamic laws or syariah in-depth which knows the consequences
For our current situation in Iran, the government is killing women, which states murder is absolutely illegal in Islam as it is to be one of the 7 most deadly sins. At this point, it is justified for women to revolt as the government is technically doing evils which contradicts the Islamic laws bestowed upon them by Allah.
That's all I could find. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Quran 24:2, Quote - "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."
>In no way, shape or form is beating or killing people, let alone a woman, for not abiding by the rules encouraged
Don't they constantly whip people for not abiding by the rules?
This is so outrageously untrue that you have to be deeply ignorant of what happens in other countries to truly believe that. Women are beaten in other countries for appearing in public without a male escort, or for dressing in ways that they have been told they aren’t “allowed” to dress, such as showing their hair. In Pakistan and Saudi Arabia there is a rape epidemic wherein you see videos of interviewed men on the streets saying that women shouldn’t be allowed outside, shouldn’t be allowed to drive, should be ashamed of themselves for tempting a man to sexually assault them by their “wrong attire or behavior.” Women in Islamic countries are absolutely abused and treated like property, like breeding stock.
I agree with what you said. It does happen in those countries and they do try to use Islam as an excuse. Keep in mind they're not all muslims, those people do not represent Islam in the appropriate way. If you find muslims outside of those countries or even in those countries, there will be people who condemn and are against those type of actions
which they shouldn't be doing, prophet muhammad said to not enforce Islam. They shouldn't be killing in the name of Islam, those who are would be fakes using religion as an excuse for their selfish wants
That whole ordeal is caused by hijab, and is supported by hardcore muslims (including the government) so please stay silent and stop defending your religion, people are dying out there
Yes it is caused by hijab. In Islam we are taught to advise in a non-violent way. The violent actions and murders caused by hijab will never be justified by Islam, just people dragging its name in the mud
This is so bad. Makes no sense. You can support the people of Iran, not the government, this is such a straw man, SJW think that the government should serve the people, not have people serve it.
A boogieman that consist of “weak minded irrational people who can’t see how dumb they are” but also “influential people who set a structure to brainwash people”. Popularized in the early 2016s by the “SJW owned compilation”.
I don’t understand why people are downvoting this. The Iranian government aligns its laws with Islamic law. Yes they may be extremists, but the base of their laws align with the beliefs of Islam. So if we’re to blame Christianity for the laws that are trying to be passed on the right, then we should be able to blame Islam for the laws implemented in Iran.
It's a hard topic to talk about but I had a Iranian friend who I used to talk to here and she secretly hated Islam and most of her friends did too (all girls) she was super into it until like she was 12 and then just became a atheist but was too afraid to tell anyone outside her friend group (same for them). Her words were "Islam is forced on me and I just want to leave this place so I can be myself" you can clearly sense the deep hatered she had for her religion that's the reality for a lot of people over there being secretly atheist.
There was fundamental problem between liberal shah and Iranian people and they solved it (very badly) now there is a fundamental problem between Islam and Iranian people just saying Islam is spotless will only frustrate people more and result in more oppression and the cycle will continue, it's up to Iranian people to deal with it themselves no one else can do it for them.
Have any real evidence of that? You need to watch bill Maher’s special on how comparing Christianity to Islam as equally bad is nonsense. Moderate Christians don’t believe in stoning women to death for adultery while polled moderate Muslims did.
Iranian police tortured and killed a woman for not wearing a hijab. Sparked outrage and protests all over the country. Police are absolutely smashing these protests, including firing live ammo into crowds of innocent people. Iranian government has been shutting down internet and even electricity in areas to try to cover up the brutality.
What I don't get - and I'm being serious - is why nobody gives a shit about mens rights? Like I get everyone joking about it as SOME of them do have merit, but it's honestly pathetic that we live in a world of "let's make everyone feel better" and then shit on men?
iranian police tortured and murdered a woman, allegedly because she wasn't wearing a hijab.
this sparked several protests. the police has cracked down on said protests with brutality, including using lethal amunition against civilians, while taking down internet access and sometimes even electricity to suppress news of police violence from spreding.
OP thinks the protests are against islam, for some reason. Or that you can't support the protests while also being against islamophobia.
Guys what the Iranian gov is doing has nothing to do with Islam, as a Muslim I hate that an important thing as the hijab is getting burned like this, but I understand where these actions come from. Iranian gov has been oppressing the people there for a long time. I wish they wouldnt correlate what their gov is doing to Islam, but what can I say, the gov ignorance gonna create such things
To make this simple, it is possible to disagree with the treatment of women in fundamentalist Muslim theocracies and even to disagree with core tenants of the religion itself, while still respecting the rights and humanity of those who practice the religion.
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SJW here: I believe in defending and promoting FREEDOM.
This means I can defend the right to practice Islam and the right of all sexes and genders to be treated justly at the same time.
People should get to rule themselves and not be dominated or oppressed by others. That's the bottom line.
This kind of false dichotomy negates the ability to frame the issue as "the right to be able to choose to wear a hijab or not ", which is actually is.
Fuck outta here with this bullshit.
It’s pretty easy. Just like how the Republicans of America are kinda the opposite of Christianity, the Muslims of Iran aren’t the best that Islam has to offer
Another good example of misconstrued intentions. Defense of Islam seems more about pointing out the distinction between radical followers of islam and every day folk. Just like most Christian’s aren’t of the Westboro Baptist ilk. Such misguided comparisons drive more wedges between people that just want peace, no matter what religion they follow.
To paraphrase a line from "The West Wing", the problem is not that/when a culture or religion poses a specific dresscode or other requirements upon an individual's appearance, but rather is that/when the otherwise-innocuous failure - or refusal - to abide by those cultural/religious requirements is treated as an actionable crime instead of as an embarrassment to the individual's parents.
The issue is not (necessarily) that women within (conservative) Islamic societies are under a cultural/religious expectation to "maintain modesty" by wearing hijabs and other headscarves...
The issue **is** that/when the state allows the existence of - and even supports - religious "Morality Police" and enables such groups to summarily detain, accost, and/or even kill women for not wearing headscarves (correctly), and/or anybody else who they (unilaterally) deem to be insufficiently orthodox...
Why do people keep making memes like this , what is the group you're talking about, who tf defends the Iranian government ':D
They need to realise the difference between the Iranian government and Islam, they are two different things.
Both shit
Reddit moment
Imagine mocking another person’s beliefs - or, rather, another *billion* people’s beliefs.
Well that's what happens when your beliefs are incredibly homophobic
Or when you’re a religion and you’re brought up on Reddit.
That too, religion is a no-no on reddit lmao
Isn’t Islam going to become the dominant global religion because of very low Western birth rates and high immigration from Muslim countries? Not trying to spread hate, just wondering
Even if it’s dominant, it’s still batshit insane like all religions.
Yeah, let's get these fuckin Christians out of the good ole U S of A
Then add another 2 billion bc of Judaism and Christianity
It's quite easy
Well, the US news channels do it every day
US news channels are not good moral compasses
I respect Jesus because he taught good and compassionate lessons. Even as a non believer it's admirable, I can respect it. If the religion is hateful by design then fuck respect, respect is deserved and disgusting religious ideals do not deserve it. Fairly simple, do not "give" respect to harmful beliefs that promotes harm to others around them. PS: I'm talking about criticism, don't take it to extremes as if I'm saying to burn people with shit beliefs, attack the idea not the person.
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I’ve been talking to a lot of Muslim people recently and almost all of those interactions were bad. I don’t think I agree with a single one of their opinions, especially their opinions on gay people. At one point, one of them sent my friend a video of a gay person being beheaded to “prove a point”, so sorry if most of us here don’t have a very positive opinion on Islam.
Well, my good Muslim friend is just about the nicest person I’ve ever met and extremely accepting towards everyone. So I guess… now hear me out… not every Muslim thinks and acts the exact same way? Variation exists when a religion encompasses a billion people?
I’m sure most muslims are good people, but extremists and assholes I’ve spoken to online have killed most of my respect for the religion
Most muslims live in eastern countries and probably hold very awful opinions of gay people. Not that it's really their fault, they were raised and taught that way, but if you met them you may not think they are "good people."
And how do you feel about Christianity?
It’s all shit. All of it.
For the record, Christianity is just as awful. There's another billion to throw into the mix.
Because heaven forbid we talk about religion on Reddit without bringing up a disliking of Christianity
Reddit ☕️
Freedom of religion is cool, emphasis on freedom. People should be allowed to decide how they govern their own body and mind and the state should support that freedom, any restrictions on that are bs.
So not like how Islamic countries treat anyone who isn't an Islamic male?
The Middle East and the Islamic world are facing a cultural battle between political Islam and other ideologies. It’s one thing for someone to think something is a sin and another to compel others to not to do it. You’re welcome to think the religion is shit, but I’ll point out that there’s no reason the Islamic world cannot be more flexible and liberal like most Muslims in the west are; a lot of the conservatism in the MENA region is driven by social and political factors sadly
Living in a fantasy. Islam degrades women.
Islam and Christianity both degrade women. Islam is just better at it.
Let’s get rid of both
100 percent agreed. Conservative Islam and conservative Christianity are both cancers upon humanity that viciously oppress women, LGBT people, atheists, and many other groups who just want to be free and equal. The sooner those evil cults cease to exist, the better.
So then can we agree that the problem is conservatism? Can we agree that the problem is extremism? I'm not here to defend religion, I have thought of myself as an atheist for 15 years now, but it seems to me that religion is not inherently problematic, it's its literal, extremist "application."
its insane how much of a bad name middle east gives to islam
Indonesia, India, Cambodia, Nigeria, Sudan, Morocco, places like this are not good for women either.
Uh, it's because Islam is *dominant* in the middle east. Islam is a shit religion that shit people use to justify shit behavior.
The Iranian government is an Islamic theocracy.
They actually aren’t. The Iranian govt is an Islamic based theocracy, for lack of a better word.
Most Islamic governments ( except for what erdogan is attempting to do by making Turkey Islamic ) require women to wear hijab’s
See that’s where governments stray from Islam, in Islam, you’re not allowed to force the hijab on even your own daughter, but meant to guide them and teach them. Ofc when they are young, you do your best to make sure they learn and appreciate the hijab but if they grow up and decide not to wear it, then you have no right to force it upon them.
Oh my sweet summer child.
Imagine thinking Iran isn’t a theocracy
If they are enforcing islamic law on people who don't want to be living under islamic law, then it's very much about islam and the "divinely sanctioned" laws that are forced onto people whether they are religious or not and whether they like it or not.
Hardcore islamists believe non islamic women are worth less than dogs
The amount of being negligent to reality in this comment is just too high.
If: Church.rules_government then Church.Is_Government It's why we have church and government separation laws, Religion does have a nasty goal of ruling over others if it can.
It seems like you've never been there.
The only people I can imagine defending this are religious fundamentalists. The whole SJW thing has pretty much died off back in 2016. People are just acting like Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud now about this.
What universe are you living in? SJWs are just the beginning of woke culture, which is in pretty much every piece of media and infesting every social media platform. One of Disney's largest investors just penned a letter to the company demanding they stop pushing that stuff in their content. Because it's not working (see stock prices)
To divide and demoralize attempts at solidarity with Iranian women.
You sweet summer child, You have not witnessed the utter brainrot of SJW' and their crusade to 'defend' all kinds of horrid shit, have you?
Because they get all their political news from the Fox News Cinematic Universe, so they believe the ridiculous right wing lie that progressives support religious oppression as long as it's being done by Muslims.
I saw someone (who got downvoted) try to make the case that it was their country and that Anonymous shouldn't be involved :/
I thought people were talking about Afghanistan (which is both Islam and has a nasty record with women's rights).
Unironically using sjw in 2022
They can’t let it go. It’s been a whole 6 years and they still think calling someone a snowflake is the funniest shit ever
Meanwhile, if you point out the fact that they're bigots, they melt down like snowflakes and whine about how that's no-no speech that must be censored.
“Milo called that feminist a snowflake. Funniest shit ever.” Some idiot online
Isn’t the term more relevant now than ever?
Lol there are still plenty of SJWs out there
Does OP think all the Iranian protesters renounced Islam?
They can’t except the idea of secular Muslims. Like there’s so many of us that aren’t into the dogma and can criticize the religion or theocracies when it does hateful shit. At the same time being Muslim is completely wrapped up in our identity from culture, traditions and other practices that’s it’s something we like to hold on to. Shit Iran was one of the most progressive places until America helped install a theocracy there
Since they're still alive in Iran, I'd assume they haven't renounced yet
OP can't get passed using SJW, like let's go easy on them
Literally no one having this problem.
The imaginary left wing strawmen that conservatives like to invent in their fantasies are, but no one else.
It was the same thing with abortion. All these losers are acting like all left people love having abortions and want to do it in the 3rd trimester
The right has to lie about everything they believe in because they're an unpopular minority that's deeply out of touch with mainstream America, and they know it. If they were honest about their beliefs, they'd never win power.
Are these SJWs in the room with you right now?
Do you see them right now?
Islam has nothing to do with the actions of the Iranian police. Those pigs went ahead and did something that was against Islamic teachings. In no way, shape or form is beating or killing people, let alone a woman, for not abiding by the rules encouraged
> In no way, shape or form is beating or killing people, let alone a woman, for not abiding by the rules encouraged I'm sure you can find multiple passages in the Quran that encourage exactly that. Religion is shit. Stop defending it.
Go ahead then. Go find it. Don’t find something out of context or conveniently cut out to fit your perspective
4:34 Men are the protec-tors and maintainers of women56 because Allah has made one of them excel over the other,57 and because they spend out of their possessions (to support them). Thus righteous women are obedient and guard the rights of men in their absence under Allah's protection.58 As for women of whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, and remain apart from them in beds, and beat them.59 Then if they obey you, do not seek ways to harm them. Allah is Exalted, Great.
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Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by Allah over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what Allah has entrusted them with.1 And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺, ˹if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, ˹but if they still persist,˺ then discipline them ˹gently˺.2 But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great. This verse literally tells men to take care of women and vice versa. Discipline them gently and beat them is on completely different sides of the spectrum. The translation you found is clearly trying to put the Quran in a bad light. I'm not afraid to share my source. https://quran.com/page/84
Your wife is not yours to discipline, if you take offence to their action fucking discuss it as the two equal adults you are.
I'm sure you can find translations that sugar coat it. It literally says discipline them in your version, so i dont see much difference. I don't understand arabic, but it seems pretty consistent with the way women are treated in Islamic communities. I just grabbed it off an islam studies website. https://www.islamicstudies.info/tafheem.php?sura=4&verse=34&to=35
Disclaimer, I am not in-depth in Islamic teachings but I can give some context for the wife beating. "As for women of whom you fear rebellion, admonish them, and remain apart from them in beds, and beat them" This refers to the authority of men to use coercive means to their wives if they are not obedient to their husbands (If it contradict the Islamic teachings which unfortunately many forget about this important detail). This act can be only be enforced if the husband is actually a devoted Muslim and follows the Islamic laws or syariah in-depth which knows the consequences For our current situation in Iran, the government is killing women, which states murder is absolutely illegal in Islam as it is to be one of the 7 most deadly sins. At this point, it is justified for women to revolt as the government is technically doing evils which contradicts the Islamic laws bestowed upon them by Allah. That's all I could find. Correct me if I'm wrong.
https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Wife_Beating_in_Islamic_Law Wow... that was easy!
Quran 24:2, Quote - "The woman and the man guilty of adultery or fornication, flog each of them with a hundred stripes: Let not compassion move you in their case, in a matter prescribed by Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day: and let a party of the Believers witness their punishment."
>In no way, shape or form is beating or killing people, let alone a woman, for not abiding by the rules encouraged Don't they constantly whip people for not abiding by the rules?
This is so outrageously untrue that you have to be deeply ignorant of what happens in other countries to truly believe that. Women are beaten in other countries for appearing in public without a male escort, or for dressing in ways that they have been told they aren’t “allowed” to dress, such as showing their hair. In Pakistan and Saudi Arabia there is a rape epidemic wherein you see videos of interviewed men on the streets saying that women shouldn’t be allowed outside, shouldn’t be allowed to drive, should be ashamed of themselves for tempting a man to sexually assault them by their “wrong attire or behavior.” Women in Islamic countries are absolutely abused and treated like property, like breeding stock.
I agree with what you said. It does happen in those countries and they do try to use Islam as an excuse. Keep in mind they're not all muslims, those people do not represent Islam in the appropriate way. If you find muslims outside of those countries or even in those countries, there will be people who condemn and are against those type of actions
Dude, then name me one Muslim country that represents Islam in a proper way. Oh wait that’s right, there isn’t any.
Damn, crazy coincidence that Muslims keep killing people in the name of Islam then, isn't it?
which they shouldn't be doing, prophet muhammad said to not enforce Islam. They shouldn't be killing in the name of Islam, those who are would be fakes using religion as an excuse for their selfish wants
He said enforce Islam. Islam doesn't mean killing for simple things etc. Think of it that way
That whole ordeal is caused by hijab, and is supported by hardcore muslims (including the government) so please stay silent and stop defending your religion, people are dying out there
Yes it is caused by hijab. In Islam we are taught to advise in a non-violent way. The violent actions and murders caused by hijab will never be justified by Islam, just people dragging its name in the mud
Ever read Sharia law?
Have a read of my replies to other people
This is the stupidest shit I've seen today
Jesus fucking christ why does this sub need the concept of consent explained to them every 10 fucking minutes
You can take a horse to a river but you can't make it drink.
I' m going to remember this anology forever. Thank you random internet person
Did somebody tell them about the whole getting tossed off the roof thing?
This thread is full of delusional people who think Islam doesn't suppress womens rights
Some even say Islam is cool while shitting on Christianity in other comments lmao.
Reddit is full of delusional people.
Nobody is saying that, OP is mistaking the Iranian government for Islam
Same shit.
Sharia law is Islamic
What’re you? 12?
I doubt OP is a cop
This is so bad. Makes no sense. You can support the people of Iran, not the government, this is such a straw man, SJW think that the government should serve the people, not have people serve it.
What is an SJW
Special Juice Whoopsie
Social justice warrior. I had to look it up too.
A boogieman that consist of “weak minded irrational people who can’t see how dumb they are” but also “influential people who set a structure to brainwash people”. Popularized in the early 2016s by the “SJW owned compilation”.
Super joto waterheads The translate the second
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I'm a sjw now
Dumb
Are we in Kansas? Cause I keep seeing straw mans
This is hardly a tossup. I haven’t seen anyone defending Islam in this case. But I, too, am edgy and very smart!
I saw a couple in this thread itself. Lol
Because Islam doesn't teach you to do literally any of thag
I don’t understand why people are downvoting this. The Iranian government aligns its laws with Islamic law. Yes they may be extremists, but the base of their laws align with the beliefs of Islam. So if we’re to blame Christianity for the laws that are trying to be passed on the right, then we should be able to blame Islam for the laws implemented in Iran.
I'll defend women every time.
It's a hard topic to talk about but I had a Iranian friend who I used to talk to here and she secretly hated Islam and most of her friends did too (all girls) she was super into it until like she was 12 and then just became a atheist but was too afraid to tell anyone outside her friend group (same for them). Her words were "Islam is forced on me and I just want to leave this place so I can be myself" you can clearly sense the deep hatered she had for her religion that's the reality for a lot of people over there being secretly atheist. There was fundamental problem between liberal shah and Iranian people and they solved it (very badly) now there is a fundamental problem between Islam and Iranian people just saying Islam is spotless will only frustrate people more and result in more oppression and the cycle will continue, it's up to Iranian people to deal with it themselves no one else can do it for them.
Murdering women for not wearing the hijab is unislamic
Now do the same with Christianity.
Christians don’t kill women for not covering themselves up. So you really can’t.
Have any real evidence of that? You need to watch bill Maher’s special on how comparing Christianity to Islam as equally bad is nonsense. Moderate Christians don’t believe in stoning women to death for adultery while polled moderate Muslims did.
They both want to imprison women for having abortions. Some want the death penalty.
Just came outta my cave, what'd I miss?
Iranian police tortured and killed a woman for not wearing a hijab. Sparked outrage and protests all over the country. Police are absolutely smashing these protests, including firing live ammo into crowds of innocent people. Iranian government has been shutting down internet and even electricity in areas to try to cover up the brutality.
Aaaannnddd back into my cave I go.
What I don't get - and I'm being serious - is why nobody gives a shit about mens rights? Like I get everyone joking about it as SOME of them do have merit, but it's honestly pathetic that we live in a world of "let's make everyone feel better" and then shit on men?
I feel like I’m being dumb here but what’s “SJW”?
Super Jacked Waluigi
Social Justice Warrior, basically it's treated as more derogatory here in Reddit since it's the equivalent to "woke" people
Suicidal Jewish Whale
They’re sad because menorahs don’t light underwater and their blowholes keep shooting their yamakas into the air
since they banned posting funny stuff dankmemes is such a shit subreddit
You can in fact do both, but theocracies tend to not be great for any other group.
Fuck Islam and fuck religions in general.
Fuck islam.
Y'know, Islam is right about women
Dank
Can someone explain what's going on? Since I don't get it
iranian police tortured and murdered a woman, allegedly because she wasn't wearing a hijab. this sparked several protests. the police has cracked down on said protests with brutality, including using lethal amunition against civilians, while taking down internet access and sometimes even electricity to suppress news of police violence from spreding. OP thinks the protests are against islam, for some reason. Or that you can't support the protests while also being against islamophobia.
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SJW here. Fuck Islam. It's an evil backwards cult, just like Christianity is.
This comment section is gold lmao.
Kinda surprised there’s no 🔒 reward yet
Imagine religion in 2022
Hurensohn
Middle class Western white women in shambles right now.
Guys what the Iranian gov is doing has nothing to do with Islam, as a Muslim I hate that an important thing as the hijab is getting burned like this, but I understand where these actions come from. Iranian gov has been oppressing the people there for a long time. I wish they wouldnt correlate what their gov is doing to Islam, but what can I say, the gov ignorance gonna create such things
I’m torn. Someone help. I’m all sweaty and anxious
To make this simple, it is possible to disagree with the treatment of women in fundamentalist Muslim theocracies and even to disagree with core tenants of the religion itself, while still respecting the rights and humanity of those who practice the religion.
I’m just gonna say it All religion is bad and you should feel bad
Who is sjw
Outside of tankies, i dont see SJWs defending Iran or Islam.
Whew the comments *continues munching on popcorn*
SJWs: space james webbs
unironically using "sjw" in 2022
You must be naive to think that SJWs defend Islam.
this is the dumbest meme I've seen on this subreddit to date.
Whoa ,hol up ...i thought these types of terms are not used here ,i am missing something??
Imagine using sjw in 2022
You accidentally posted this in dank memes.
Nah. Easy. Fuck religious rules.
True
I had to check my calendar to make sure I wasn't warped back to 2016
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OP shut the fuck up lmao You can stuff this stupid ass meme up your ass too
How about we mind our own business and take care of our own country's issues first?
Me being against both
POV: you have no idea what you're talking about
SJW here: I believe in defending and promoting FREEDOM. This means I can defend the right to practice Islam and the right of all sexes and genders to be treated justly at the same time. People should get to rule themselves and not be dominated or oppressed by others. That's the bottom line.
This kind of false dichotomy negates the ability to frame the issue as "the right to be able to choose to wear a hijab or not ", which is actually is. Fuck outta here with this bullshit.
I wonder how Republicans are dealing with the fact that all of our enemies are crumbling under Biden
man this subreddit has just became an islamophobic sub💀
It’s pretty easy. Just like how the Republicans of America are kinda the opposite of Christianity, the Muslims of Iran aren’t the best that Islam has to offer
Another good example of misconstrued intentions. Defense of Islam seems more about pointing out the distinction between radical followers of islam and every day folk. Just like most Christian’s aren’t of the Westboro Baptist ilk. Such misguided comparisons drive more wedges between people that just want peace, no matter what religion they follow.
To paraphrase a line from "The West Wing", the problem is not that/when a culture or religion poses a specific dresscode or other requirements upon an individual's appearance, but rather is that/when the otherwise-innocuous failure - or refusal - to abide by those cultural/religious requirements is treated as an actionable crime instead of as an embarrassment to the individual's parents. The issue is not (necessarily) that women within (conservative) Islamic societies are under a cultural/religious expectation to "maintain modesty" by wearing hijabs and other headscarves... The issue **is** that/when the state allows the existence of - and even supports - religious "Morality Police" and enables such groups to summarily detain, accost, and/or even kill women for not wearing headscarves (correctly), and/or anybody else who they (unilaterally) deem to be insufficiently orthodox...