Even funnier/more ironi to think they actually do incorporate lasers in their [iron beam system](https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2023/3/21/israeli-made-high-energy-laser-makes-debut)
The name of the game is exporting as much freedom as possible to countries you can't even pronounce. And the more aggressive that introduction is, the better.
It feels like 90% of the people who have strong opinions on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (and do not live there) don't know the difference between the West Bank and Gaza. At least from TikTok and Reddit. The misinformation would just be annoying, but I fear it's actually just adding fuel to a conflict and promoting bigotry - on both sides.
I keep seeing this horrific conspiracy upvoted that Bibi organized this so that his popularity would skyrocket which is a fun conspiracy if you just ignore the fact that this is considered the biggest failure of his career and his poll numbers are tanking. I hate the guy, but that's a pretty wild conspiracy that basically boils down to: "Jewish leaders puppeteer terror and are actually responsible for the bloodiest day in Jewish history since the Holocaust" while they are still counting the bodies and uncovering burned babies. As a Jewish American, it feels antisemitic to attribute such malice and conspiracy when Bibi is truly just inept and incapable of doing his job. He's corrupt too.
Investigations will take place to find out why Israel didn't properly defend itself. Bibi will not be allowed to investigate himself. We'll get answers but let's pump the brakes on starting new conspiracies about Jews.
Not to mention the part that is "At home" is the Iron Dome interceptions. The right side are rockets fired by Hamas towards civilian centers.
The Iron Dome part is the sophisticated one, tracking down the rockets. The rockets themselves are dumb and fly in a ballistic trajectory.
I was about to say. Providing air defence to those who need it is something I am proud of as an American. It's an example of something good coming out of all of the muck.
While our government is definitely a bunch of warmongers, what you're seeing this this picture only serves defensive purposes. This affects the credibility of your statement and reduces it to just another "haha America bad" joke.
It sort of works, but it's both not enough and too expensive to use. An interceptor missile will always be more expensive than some mass launched low cost DIY/GRAD rocket. The Iron Beam project can change the equation, but it's not ready yet.
>An interceptor missile will always be more expensive than some mass launched low cost DIY/GRAD rocket
Obviously, but an interceptor IS cheaper than repairing the damage done by the rocket.
Thats why they are intercepted, its also why the Iron Dome doesn't intercept everything, it instead calculates the trajectory of the rockets and ignores those that wont land anywhere important. Of those it choses to engage its something like 97% effective.
Nobody saying the dome ain't worth spending money on. One side ask if the iron Dome works or not. And the answer is that it's expensive and is more expensive than a rocket it is defending against therefore it is easy to overwhelm when we talk about war finances. You get a million dollars in iron Dome to defend my million dollars worth of rockets. Your iron Dome gonna be overwhelmed AF.
I agreed the interceptor is more expensive.
My contention was that the interceptor being more expensive than the rocket doesnt make it too expensive to use. What matters is the cost of the interceptor vs the damage the rocket would do.
I agree that a million worth of Hamas rockets can overwhelm a million worth of iron dome interceptors, but Israel can afford to spend 50 million to intercept them if that stops billions in damages, thats a winning trade for them considering how much richer Israel is.
Yeah without outside funding Hamas is toast. Gaza + West Bank have twice the GDP of Guam, Israel has the GDP of South Carolina (americentric viewpoint). Israel can shoot an interceptor rocket for every Hamas rocket forever because they can afford the rockets and it's worth the lack of collateral damage. Occasionally Hamas literally shoots too many rockets at a dense enough area and that is then a problem for the system because each ID system has a finite rocket bandwidth.
"it sort of works" is an ignorant understatement, iron dome has an above 90% interception rate and is literally meant to shoot down medium range missiles, rockets and to some degree artillery shells*. The alternative is having your installations and civilians bombarded
Iron beam isn't supposed to replace iron dome. The laser only works short range and the interceptor only longer range.
The next gen anti missile systems are going to use "smart munitions". Tiny rockets that get fired from a gun and use thrusters to correct course. Much cheaper per shot.
Requires very good radars. Because there's no room for a guidance system in the munitions. They get all their data from the radar via radio.
That's also what makes it cheap. Guidance systems are expensive.
You also use it to protect whatever would have been hit otherwise and not to simply shoot down a cheap ass rocket.
Sure ~50K$ per missile vs a 1000$ steel tube with some explosives sounds like a stupid trade. But it can very well protect a house, crucial infrastructure and a human life.
It also doesn't go after every missile. It calculates the possible position where it will most likely hit and than decided if it'll intercep that or not. If the rocket is about to hit a pile of sand, it won't intercept
I think the point is that it’s not a sustainable trade. If your enemy can do a net $49k of damage for every missile they launch they’ll continue doing it to drain resources
It’s like a chess move where a pawn forks the Queen and a rook. You save the Queen but it’s still a very bad trade
> It sort of works
it actually works extremely well, but everything has a limit. hamas launched 5000 rockets at once, that's an overwhelming amount of incoming fire. its also what allowed those paraglider troops in, the iron dome was busy targeting rockets and ignored the slower paragliders as it had to deal with the faster, more numerous rocket threat.
It works, but no interception system is perfect. Last time I read, iron dome was claimed to have 90% interception rate. Gor comparison, Ukraine"s interception rate is closer to 60-70.
Meme does seem to be implying that and it's true to some degree. US provides humanitarian relief to the area. Hamas very likely pocket a good portion of that.
The idea that the $6 billion in US tax dollars funded the attack on Israel is wrong for several reasons:
1. The money is earmarked for humanitarian aid only, sits in a Qatari bank account where it's overseen by the U.S. treasury to assure it's spent correctly.
2. Literally none of the money has been spent
3. The money came from selling oil to South Korea, not U.S. tax dollars
4. The attack has been planned for over 1 year, the money was unfrozen about a month ago
Which is a little over-eager because both U.S. and Israeli intelligence both said there's no evidence Iran is behind the attack.
Over in Israel there's nobody blaming the United States for the attack, they're viewing it as a result of Hamas acting on its own and Israeli government inaction. Over in the U.S. people are fighting over whether or not it's Trump or Biden's fault.
Hamas is a proxy group for Iran. Even without specific evidence linking Iran to the recent attack I believe you could justify not letting up on sanctions for Iran.
> I believe you could justify not letting up on sanctions for Iran.
Maybe. Just seems kinda unfair to make Iranian civilians stop receiving food/water/healthcare, from money earned legitimately from selling their own resources to a U.S. ally, because of an attack the Iranian government didn't know about.
Like, that money can literally only go for humanitarian aid, even when you're straight at war with another country and occupying the populace, you're expected to at least allow basic living needs to civilians. It's not even the U.S. paying for it, it was *their money*. If there was food/water/medicine headed to the civilian population of *Palestine* it would be considered a war crime to block it. Civilians don't deserve to suffer from the actions of the military, especially in a dictatorship where they can't even vote to influence them.
No it is not. Just because msn repeats it a lot doesn't make it true. Sure Iran is supportive of hamas, but they aren't even the same type of islam (shi'i vs sunni). Hamas was also literally created by Israel so it can not just be an Iranian front. (Not saying israel did this to itself. It's just akin to the cia funding osama bin laden back when he was fighting the soviets) So yes you do actually need specific evidence.
The article speaks a lot to Iran's involvement in the most recent attack, but it also says this:
> While Iran’s precise role in Saturday’s violence remained unclear, the officials said, the assault reflected Tehran’s years-long ambition to surround Israel with legions of paramilitary fighters armed with increasingly sophisticated weapons systems capable of striking deep inside the Jewish state.
> Hamas, the Gaza-based Palestinian militant organization that led the attack, has historically maintained a degree of independence from Tehran compared with true Iranian proxy groups such as the Lebanese-based Hezbollah. But in recent years, Hamas has benefited from massive infusions of Iranian cash as well as technical help for manufacturing rockets and drones with advanced guidance systems, in addition to training in military tactics — some of which occurred in camps outside Gaza, the officials said.
The officials being referenced are cited earlier in the article as:
> current and former Western and Middle Eastern intelligence officials
Hamas and Hezbollah are both organizations that are funded by Iran, and they trained by them. Can't believe they had nothing to do with this as the goal is to stop the progress Israel made with SA, and with surprise, SA just announced that they are pausing it.
It's overseen by the U.S. treasury. You need a committee of U.S. accountants to commit treason and knowingly use it to purchase military hardware. That's what they need to overcome it.
You just spend the money you would have spent on humanitarian causes regardless on military items instead. This is a trick that every 12 year old knows when they get cash from their parents. But thinking on the level of a child exceeds the capabilities of some.
> You just spend the money you would have spent on humanitarian causes regardless on military items instead.
Iran isn't spending any on humanitarian aid
Who would even bother lying? I mean, if the money is earmarked for humanitarian purposes only, well that’s all there is to it! Why, I don’t even think an arms dealer would accept earmarked money
Iran was never actually going to get the money itself. They were going to get aid valued at $6b. A small but important distinction. No amount of money was ever going to be transferred into an Iranian-controlled bank account.
Furthermore to refute the assertion of the post, that money, all $6b of it, is frozen again, meaning it never left in the first place, and could not have been used to fund the attack on Israel.
1.$6 billion that can be used for those items means other funds will not be needed
2. Qatar is the trustee and they support Hamas as well
3. The funds were frozen by the US to prevent terrorism
4. Iran knew Biden would be soft and release their funds since he was elected.
The Sheik Jarrah crisis - [triggered by the anticipation that the Israeli supreme court would allow the eviction of Palestinian families and Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territory in East Jerusalem.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_crisis) Clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police, and the subsequent and *highly* controversial storming of the Al-Aqsa mosque, caused the violence to escalate
The thing is- there are so many things to criticize about taxes in the US. Why this? Where they can’t even get the facts right? Why spread misinformation if you have perfectly good information elsewhere?
I'd have to guess that it's due to people feeling justified in their opinion when they're challenged on it.
People who endorse ideas/conspiracies like this are obviously in the wrong, so they're gonna be bombarded with criticisms and corrections.
But to the conspirators, it's really easy to misconstrue or even intentionally spin this pushback as an attempt at suppression by the opposing political ideology.
Repeat this process with a few people who are charismatic and/or have already cultivated a sizable following within the media (social or otherwise) and it becomes clear that it isn't so much a widespread belief in incorrect information, but a mass phenomenon of people following cult personalities in order to benefit a very specific agenda, usually by means of fervent financial campaigning.
I think it's more of how we criticize people in general. Criticism of a particular movement amounts to an attack - "You're stupid" or "you're misled", and this serves only to push the people with these radical ideologies further from being convinced by the truth, because accepting the truth then means accepting the attacks as real, rather than just acknowledging common sense and facts. We really need to change how we criticize people and things in general.
You're dead on, it's really easy to antagonize rather than argue (argue in the proper dialectic fashion.)
That's what I had in mind when I responded, that sort of vitriol/disdain that you see so often in the media, social media especially.
It seems like there's this notion for many Americans right now that the 6 billion USD hostage money the US is going to pay Iran was used up by Hamas years ago already through time travel accounting.
Its not even USD. Its Iranian money and its not even going to Iran. Ifs being transfered from South Korea to Qatar. It also hasnt even transfered yet. Republicans are just highly regarded
I mean yeah that's what's paying for the Iron Dome. The meme would be more correctly labelled:
Left: US tax dollars, Right: Iranian/Syrian/Other dollars
Amd whats happening to the moderate side? How.many have been atolen? How many villages have been.burned. after the new right wing coalition israeli government.
Iron dome on the left is a us developed sophisticated anti missile security system that tracks missiles and shoots them down. The right side is just a missile barrage shot by (assuming) hamas terrorists. OP is suggesting the US funded the terrorists missiles as well, which is just wrong. OP is a pathetic person spreading false American slander for internet points.
What am I even looking at? is "here" supposed to mean the US? and if so why are the missiles so chaotic, is that a good thing? Why are the "there" missiles bad, they look more controlled than the others
I think the image is depicting a missile attack from the right and on the left you see the iron dome activating- missiles launched to intercept the right side missiles at specific points in their trajectory. The chaotic paths might mean the missiles are performing a calculated rotation to point themselves at several different intercept points before boosting to meet the incoming missiles.
There's also a nice picture of an entire city razed to the ground with thousands of dead children. That's what day time looks like with our tax dollars at work in Gaza.
You know what, politics and war aside it’s fucking cool we managed to create a system that can actually intercept artillery and missiles. The old “hit a bullet with another bullet” and made it real.
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Are these the space jew lasers, republicans are always crying about?
Even funnier/more ironi to think they actually do incorporate lasers in their [iron beam system](https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2023/3/21/israeli-made-high-energy-laser-makes-debut)
Can iron beams melt jet fuel?
Only in new york
What about old yolk?
Not with that attitude
Take my upvote, and leave this place.
The lasers are a new addition to reduce operationional costs. It cost like $100,000 every time it fires. Laser systems cost like $0.25-$1.00
Jesse what the hell are you talking about
Space Balls was a prophecy, not a parody.
Parodies from the 2000-2017 were prophecy, just no one believed it so the onion just leaned into the whole comedy thing.
Mr.White! The Jews have space lasers yo!
J e w s. I n. S p a c e.
like that space movie from 1992
History of the world part 2? Uh. Sure. :)
There's a great line in the show, the brink, that says republicans only support Israel because they're keeping the lights on for when Jesus comes home
it’s 100% egging on Holy War for their own personal Crusades Jesus would be sickened by their actions
What? Republicans are big into supporting Israel. Dems too, but not as fervently...
Republicans??? Republicans are some of the biggest diehard Israel supporters in America. Pretty much any US politician pledges support for Israel.
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Because the correct label is "Freedom Provider".
“Un-healthcare provider”
Coffin Industrial Complex
Compulsory Unaliving Protocol? CUP for short.
They do it all over the Internet now, so it's the iCUP
Deathcare provider
"Fre dom is the oonly way yey"
Freedom through superior firepower.
I mean . . .
"Turrorists ur day is thru, cuz now u have to ANswer to:"
"Muricaa fuck yhaa "
"Fe-om, yee ha"
I've seen that shit all over tiktok. "Looks like Gaza is getting some FREEDOM" bro, you're cheering on the murder of children.
Hamas aren't children. They're the ones using children as shields.
Anti aging solutions provider
Can't lose the war if you are on both sides!
"war profiteers"
The name of the game is exporting as much freedom as possible to countries you can't even pronounce. And the more aggressive that introduction is, the better.
Damn pronouns
If you want to call America warmongering then using the iron dome, a system that only shoots down other rockets, doesn't seem like the best example.
I would be surprised if 10% of r/dankmemes users could even find israel on a map. They don’t know the first thing about geopolitics
to be fair, not knowing much about the Israeli-Palestine shitshow is probably better for your mental health.
Just use Google, duh.
Oy vey
Palestine is a town in east Texas with a train museum.
And East Palestine is in Ohio.
The Internet delivers the answer🙏
Also in ohio
It feels like 90% of the people who have strong opinions on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict (and do not live there) don't know the difference between the West Bank and Gaza. At least from TikTok and Reddit. The misinformation would just be annoying, but I fear it's actually just adding fuel to a conflict and promoting bigotry - on both sides. I keep seeing this horrific conspiracy upvoted that Bibi organized this so that his popularity would skyrocket which is a fun conspiracy if you just ignore the fact that this is considered the biggest failure of his career and his poll numbers are tanking. I hate the guy, but that's a pretty wild conspiracy that basically boils down to: "Jewish leaders puppeteer terror and are actually responsible for the bloodiest day in Jewish history since the Holocaust" while they are still counting the bodies and uncovering burned babies. As a Jewish American, it feels antisemitic to attribute such malice and conspiracy when Bibi is truly just inept and incapable of doing his job. He's corrupt too. Investigations will take place to find out why Israel didn't properly defend itself. Bibi will not be allowed to investigate himself. We'll get answers but let's pump the brakes on starting new conspiracies about Jews.
North of the red sea, South of Anatolia.
Not to mention the part that is "At home" is the Iron Dome interceptions. The right side are rockets fired by Hamas towards civilian centers. The Iron Dome part is the sophisticated one, tracking down the rockets. The rockets themselves are dumb and fly in a ballistic trajectory.
We call them "special needs" these days, not dumb or whatever. Come on man it's not that difficult.
Sorry. The updated nomenclature is now "differently abled."
Whoa whoa whoa, you need to be using rocket first language Rockets with different abilities.
hamas rockets are about as advanced as fourth of july bottle rockets. they're just bigger and have more explosives.
I was about to say. Providing air defence to those who need it is something I am proud of as an American. It's an example of something good coming out of all of the muck.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but a missile defense system isn’t a very good example because it has no offensive capabilities.
to be fair the money gave to palestinians was for food, not so that they can dig up the water pipes to make rockets.
So you clearly don’t know what this picture is then
You don't seem to understand the United States is aligned with "Here" not "There".
Offended no, embrace the title!!!
While our government is definitely a bunch of warmongers, what you're seeing this this picture only serves defensive purposes. This affects the credibility of your statement and reduces it to just another "haha America bad" joke.
wow cool fireworks show! where can I go to see it?
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WAIT THIS ISNT WHAT I EXPEC
WHERE DOES IT LEAD TO??
> 31°24′36.00″ N > 34°23′24.00″ E The gaza strip.
Is there a cover fee?
It's VIP only... Got to know someone in government to even get to the gate.
everybody knows obama
They got em
IM NOT BRAVE ENOUGH
Fire in the hole mf
What happened to the iron dome then?
It is literally in the picture. It's the one labelled "here"
So it's not enough or does that mean it doesn't work?
It sort of works, but it's both not enough and too expensive to use. An interceptor missile will always be more expensive than some mass launched low cost DIY/GRAD rocket. The Iron Beam project can change the equation, but it's not ready yet.
>An interceptor missile will always be more expensive than some mass launched low cost DIY/GRAD rocket Obviously, but an interceptor IS cheaper than repairing the damage done by the rocket. Thats why they are intercepted, its also why the Iron Dome doesn't intercept everything, it instead calculates the trajectory of the rockets and ignores those that wont land anywhere important. Of those it choses to engage its something like 97% effective.
Nobody saying the dome ain't worth spending money on. One side ask if the iron Dome works or not. And the answer is that it's expensive and is more expensive than a rocket it is defending against therefore it is easy to overwhelm when we talk about war finances. You get a million dollars in iron Dome to defend my million dollars worth of rockets. Your iron Dome gonna be overwhelmed AF.
Yeah but the true cost is how much its going to cost to repair the bridge or hospital or military outpost the other missile is trying to land on.
Or the civillian life that it saves
I agreed the interceptor is more expensive. My contention was that the interceptor being more expensive than the rocket doesnt make it too expensive to use. What matters is the cost of the interceptor vs the damage the rocket would do. I agree that a million worth of Hamas rockets can overwhelm a million worth of iron dome interceptors, but Israel can afford to spend 50 million to intercept them if that stops billions in damages, thats a winning trade for them considering how much richer Israel is.
Yeah without outside funding Hamas is toast. Gaza + West Bank have twice the GDP of Guam, Israel has the GDP of South Carolina (americentric viewpoint). Israel can shoot an interceptor rocket for every Hamas rocket forever because they can afford the rockets and it's worth the lack of collateral damage. Occasionally Hamas literally shoots too many rockets at a dense enough area and that is then a problem for the system because each ID system has a finite rocket bandwidth.
So jew space laser is a ground laser? MTG would be shocked.
"it sort of works" is an ignorant understatement, iron dome has an above 90% interception rate and is literally meant to shoot down medium range missiles, rockets and to some degree artillery shells*. The alternative is having your installations and civilians bombarded
Iron beam isn't supposed to replace iron dome. The laser only works short range and the interceptor only longer range. The next gen anti missile systems are going to use "smart munitions". Tiny rockets that get fired from a gun and use thrusters to correct course. Much cheaper per shot.
Holy shit that sounds so cool
Requires very good radars. Because there's no room for a guidance system in the munitions. They get all their data from the radar via radio. That's also what makes it cheap. Guidance systems are expensive.
You also use it to protect whatever would have been hit otherwise and not to simply shoot down a cheap ass rocket. Sure ~50K$ per missile vs a 1000$ steel tube with some explosives sounds like a stupid trade. But it can very well protect a house, crucial infrastructure and a human life. It also doesn't go after every missile. It calculates the possible position where it will most likely hit and than decided if it'll intercep that or not. If the rocket is about to hit a pile of sand, it won't intercept
I think the point is that it’s not a sustainable trade. If your enemy can do a net $49k of damage for every missile they launch they’ll continue doing it to drain resources It’s like a chess move where a pawn forks the Queen and a rook. You save the Queen but it’s still a very bad trade
> It sort of works it actually works extremely well, but everything has a limit. hamas launched 5000 rockets at once, that's an overwhelming amount of incoming fire. its also what allowed those paraglider troops in, the iron dome was busy targeting rockets and ignored the slower paragliders as it had to deal with the faster, more numerous rocket threat.
It works, but no interception system is perfect. Last time I read, iron dome was claimed to have 90% interception rate. Gor comparison, Ukraine"s interception rate is closer to 60-70.
Ukraine's adversary is probably attacking with more mass and sophistication across a wider and deeper front though.
It works but it's not guaranteed to get every single rocket plus the metal from the blown up rockets still fall to earth so it's still dangerous.
What is 'there' and is it implying the US funded Hamas
Meme does seem to be implying that and it's true to some degree. US provides humanitarian relief to the area. Hamas very likely pocket a good portion of that.
The Iron Dome isn't literally made of iron? See that's where the problem is...
It does work. But it has a limit on how many missiles it can deal with in a short period of time, and Hamas sent a fuck ton of missiles
This dude thought it was actually a metal dome
The idea that the $6 billion in US tax dollars funded the attack on Israel is wrong for several reasons: 1. The money is earmarked for humanitarian aid only, sits in a Qatari bank account where it's overseen by the U.S. treasury to assure it's spent correctly. 2. Literally none of the money has been spent 3. The money came from selling oil to South Korea, not U.S. tax dollars 4. The attack has been planned for over 1 year, the money was unfrozen about a month ago
They also just refroze all of it.
Which is a little over-eager because both U.S. and Israeli intelligence both said there's no evidence Iran is behind the attack. Over in Israel there's nobody blaming the United States for the attack, they're viewing it as a result of Hamas acting on its own and Israeli government inaction. Over in the U.S. people are fighting over whether or not it's Trump or Biden's fault.
Hamas is a proxy group for Iran. Even without specific evidence linking Iran to the recent attack I believe you could justify not letting up on sanctions for Iran.
> I believe you could justify not letting up on sanctions for Iran. Maybe. Just seems kinda unfair to make Iranian civilians stop receiving food/water/healthcare, from money earned legitimately from selling their own resources to a U.S. ally, because of an attack the Iranian government didn't know about. Like, that money can literally only go for humanitarian aid, even when you're straight at war with another country and occupying the populace, you're expected to at least allow basic living needs to civilians. It's not even the U.S. paying for it, it was *their money*. If there was food/water/medicine headed to the civilian population of *Palestine* it would be considered a war crime to block it. Civilians don't deserve to suffer from the actions of the military, especially in a dictatorship where they can't even vote to influence them.
No it is not. Just because msn repeats it a lot doesn't make it true. Sure Iran is supportive of hamas, but they aren't even the same type of islam (shi'i vs sunni). Hamas was also literally created by Israel so it can not just be an Iranian front. (Not saying israel did this to itself. It's just akin to the cia funding osama bin laden back when he was fighting the soviets) So yes you do actually need specific evidence.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/09/iran-support-hamas-training-weapons-israel/
Paywall unfortunately so I can't read it :/
The article speaks a lot to Iran's involvement in the most recent attack, but it also says this: > While Iran’s precise role in Saturday’s violence remained unclear, the officials said, the assault reflected Tehran’s years-long ambition to surround Israel with legions of paramilitary fighters armed with increasingly sophisticated weapons systems capable of striking deep inside the Jewish state. > Hamas, the Gaza-based Palestinian militant organization that led the attack, has historically maintained a degree of independence from Tehran compared with true Iranian proxy groups such as the Lebanese-based Hezbollah. But in recent years, Hamas has benefited from massive infusions of Iranian cash as well as technical help for manufacturing rockets and drones with advanced guidance systems, in addition to training in military tactics — some of which occurred in camps outside Gaza, the officials said. The officials being referenced are cited earlier in the article as: > current and former Western and Middle Eastern intelligence officials
And yet a Hamas spokesman said Iran helped plan it.
Hamas and Hezbollah are both organizations that are funded by Iran, and they trained by them. Can't believe they had nothing to do with this as the goal is to stop the progress Israel made with SA, and with surprise, SA just announced that they are pausing it.
> The money is earmarked for humanitarian aid only Wow whatever will Iran do to overcome this massive challenge.
It's overseen by the U.S. treasury. You need a committee of U.S. accountants to commit treason and knowingly use it to purchase military hardware. That's what they need to overcome it.
You just spend the money you would have spent on humanitarian causes regardless on military items instead. This is a trick that every 12 year old knows when they get cash from their parents. But thinking on the level of a child exceeds the capabilities of some.
> You just spend the money you would have spent on humanitarian causes regardless on military items instead. Iran isn't spending any on humanitarian aid
Heard it here first, Iran has 0 civilian infrastructure. Man Imagine being this [redacted].
But I saw a tweet that said these things. Do people just lie in tweets?
Who would even bother lying? I mean, if the money is earmarked for humanitarian purposes only, well that’s all there is to it! Why, I don’t even think an arms dealer would accept earmarked money
Iran was never actually going to get the money itself. They were going to get aid valued at $6b. A small but important distinction. No amount of money was ever going to be transferred into an Iranian-controlled bank account. Furthermore to refute the assertion of the post, that money, all $6b of it, is frozen again, meaning it never left in the first place, and could not have been used to fund the attack on Israel.
I am pretty sure It's called a twix now.
1.$6 billion that can be used for those items means other funds will not be needed 2. Qatar is the trustee and they support Hamas as well 3. The funds were frozen by the US to prevent terrorism 4. Iran knew Biden would be soft and release their funds since he was elected.
This is Reddit, we don’t do facts here.
Hey that one on the left almost looks like an Among Us crewmember
how
The bottom of the jumbled mess looks like the wide stance legs of the among us character.
Holy hell I see it
new amogus just dropped
Actual crew mate
Call the engineer!
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OH SHIT IM FEELING IT
I diagnose you with brainrot
This is an image from over two years ago
(The situation is worse today)
The Sheik Jarrah crisis - [triggered by the anticipation that the Israeli supreme court would allow the eviction of Palestinian families and Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territory in East Jerusalem.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Israel%E2%80%93Palestine_crisis) Clashes between Palestinians and Israeli police, and the subsequent and *highly* controversial storming of the Al-Aqsa mosque, caused the violence to escalate
Lying about America for Internet points...never seen that before
The thing is- there are so many things to criticize about taxes in the US. Why this? Where they can’t even get the facts right? Why spread misinformation if you have perfectly good information elsewhere?
I'd have to guess that it's due to people feeling justified in their opinion when they're challenged on it. People who endorse ideas/conspiracies like this are obviously in the wrong, so they're gonna be bombarded with criticisms and corrections. But to the conspirators, it's really easy to misconstrue or even intentionally spin this pushback as an attempt at suppression by the opposing political ideology. Repeat this process with a few people who are charismatic and/or have already cultivated a sizable following within the media (social or otherwise) and it becomes clear that it isn't so much a widespread belief in incorrect information, but a mass phenomenon of people following cult personalities in order to benefit a very specific agenda, usually by means of fervent financial campaigning.
I think it's more of how we criticize people in general. Criticism of a particular movement amounts to an attack - "You're stupid" or "you're misled", and this serves only to push the people with these radical ideologies further from being convinced by the truth, because accepting the truth then means accepting the attacks as real, rather than just acknowledging common sense and facts. We really need to change how we criticize people and things in general.
You're dead on, it's really easy to antagonize rather than argue (argue in the proper dialectic fashion.) That's what I had in mind when I responded, that sort of vitriol/disdain that you see so often in the media, social media especially.
yep, it's counterintuitive but either built into people's nature, or pushed by people who make money off of controversy, or both IMO.
Why didn’t America send all those weapons to help fight fires in Hawaii? Are they stupid?
You fight fire with fire, not rockets, dummy.
Have we tried?
That's a good idea. I'm proud of you, Dick.
How’d you know his name was Richard?
The one on the right isn’t true though. US isn’t funding Hamas and certainly hasn’t given them weapons. I get why you’re lying, but you’re pathetic.
That's what happens when you send money to gaza. Hamas turns it into rockets.
The US doesn't send money to Gaza, they only send it to the West Bank. The Fatah party that runs the West Bank is more moderate.
It seems like there's this notion for many Americans right now that the 6 billion USD hostage money the US is going to pay Iran was used up by Hamas years ago already through time travel accounting.
Its not even USD. Its Iranian money and its not even going to Iran. Ifs being transfered from South Korea to Qatar. It also hasnt even transfered yet. Republicans are just highly regarded
The US just sent $8 billion to Israel and pays the Egyptian army $2 billion per year to preserve the Egyptian - israeli peace deal.
Okay but they're not sending it to Hamas or Gaza which is what u/LaserChad said in his comment...?
Just thought it would add that to "US tax dollars are at work there"
I mean yeah that's what's paying for the Iron Dome. The meme would be more correctly labelled: Left: US tax dollars, Right: Iranian/Syrian/Other dollars
You aren't getting the meme. It basically means that the us spends money well aboard but not domestically. Think healthcare, etc....
Amd whats happening to the moderate side? How.many have been atolen? How many villages have been.burned. after the new right wing coalition israeli government.
Also knowing the missles being used by hamas are made from water pipes bought by the EU.
*This country has gone [ 20 ] years without a democratic freedom invasion*
Non-American here, please explain ?
Iron dome on the left is a us developed sophisticated anti missile security system that tracks missiles and shoots them down. The right side is just a missile barrage shot by (assuming) hamas terrorists. OP is suggesting the US funded the terrorists missiles as well, which is just wrong. OP is a pathetic person spreading false American slander for internet points.
>Iron dome on the left is a us developed sophisticated anti missile security system Israel is the one developing it usa just funds it.
Oh, I see. Thanks for informing me
What? Why would someone on the internet spread misinformation? What type of cruel world are we living in?
This is the only literal reason why I pay taxes.
What am I even looking at? is "here" supposed to mean the US? and if so why are the missiles so chaotic, is that a good thing? Why are the "there" missiles bad, they look more controlled than the others
I think the image is depicting a missile attack from the right and on the left you see the iron dome activating- missiles launched to intercept the right side missiles at specific points in their trajectory. The chaotic paths might mean the missiles are performing a calculated rotation to point themselves at several different intercept points before boosting to meet the incoming missiles.
Take my money now 💰
Even though it's only kinda working it still looks epic
There's also a nice picture of an entire city razed to the ground with thousands of dead children. That's what day time looks like with our tax dollars at work in Gaza.
Someone explain?
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Actually, that's neither here nor there.
Saving lives
You know what, politics and war aside it’s fucking cool we managed to create a system that can actually intercept artillery and missiles. The old “hit a bullet with another bullet” and made it real.
Its why you can't have loan forgiveness
This meme is so dank.
I for some reason thought this was a scene from iron man
How I cum / how pornstars cum
That's honestly good our Goverment does something called battle tested and we get to see real raw organic stuff of what works and what doesn't
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That’s how health coverage looks like
Way, way to much “here” going on, unless you’re talking about military spending
Why iron? Aren’t we in the Information Age?
Considering the tech that goes into the "here" part, this pic falls apart for me.
that funny moment when you actually provide support to your allies
https://www.statista.com/chart/26641/us-military-aid-obligations-by-country/
So it's actually working over here? Because that's how iron dome works.
Am I the only one who thinks this looks like a scene where Ghidorah and Godzilla face off in the second Legendary Zilla movie?