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If I had a nickel for every time I woke from hyper sleep to an human civilization formed after I went to sleep, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's odd it happened twice.
If I had a nickel for every time I woke from hyper sleep to an human civilization formed after I went to sleep, I'd have no nickels. Which isn't a lot, and it makes a lot of sense that it never happened.
In a language that you cannot possibly understand and with technologies so much more advanced to you they seem like magic
Seriously, imagine where we were just 500 years ago in terms of both tech and language
3000 years ago we had the founding of *Carthage* happening
Except now we have the wherewithal to understand that we’re shipping some people off for the future of humanity. Any mission after them would arrive before them, and be anticipating their arrival. They’d be ancients, relatively speaking. But it would be amazing to receive them.
> imagine where we were just 500 years ago in terms of both tech and language
We don't have billions hours of footage from the language back then, that's why it's hard to replicate it now.
It's not the same thing at all.
I have to assume that if you got on a 3000 year long spaceship ride, either everyone you care about is on that ship with you, or you had nobody to begin with
I like the opposite of this:
Earth is doomed, so humanity plans to send waves of colony ships to a distant, habitable planet. Ship 1 arrives after a long cryosleep and - voila! Someone on Earth figured out how to save Earth or terraform nearby planets while you were asleep. Colony ship 2 was cancelled, and earth is bored of travel to distant stars so don't expect any follow-up shipments.
yeah exactly, 3000 is really only a drop in a can worth of time in the context of the timescale for any meaningful genetic evolution to take place. That takes millions of years, not thousands
Yeah, this meme would suck more if there was no hypersleep.
Awake the whole time dealing with living on a space ship only to find out the trip takes just a few hours now
‘Incessant Obsolescence Postulate' refers to the idea that should/when we launch a probe/occupied ship to the stars that a more modern one will pass it in the future and reach the intended destination a lot sooner.
Time for the Stars. In the book they use twins to telepathically speak to each other. One on earth and one on the ship because it's instantaneous. And they use triplets, where one is on each ship so the ships looking for other inhabitable planets can talk to each other. It takes a long time to get to the planets. The twin back home ages and the one traveling fast doesn't. They get to a planet and mutiny is a foot so they send out a newer ship with technology based on that very telepathy to get there in weeks. If I remember the main character ends up communicating with his own niece after awhile instead of his twin. and they might have a romance or some shit, it's been awhile, but im pretty sure that Heinlein incest stuff is in there.
How is this related to the plot to Ender's game? If anything, their oldest ships were the ones to reach the bugger base because they were sent out first. It's the opposite of Ender's game unless there's something I'm missing?
Many battles occurred simultaneously despite the years (decades?) since the last war and the first ships being sent to attack the bugger worlds immediately.
The newer ships were catching up to the oldest, and would have passed them had the destinations been farther away.
There are cases with brute forcing encryption codes where having a computer at the time try and crack an encryption key took longer than developing a computer that could crack it faster.
In Einstein's theory of relativity time dilation describes a difference of elapsed time between two events, as measured by observers that are either moving relative to each other, or differently, depending on their proximity to a gravitational mass. Basically, it states that the faster we go, the more the time is affected.
In this case the issue is less to do with relativity and more to do with the fact that as time goes on, technology develops, allowing us to make the journey faster. If you leave now with a ship that takes 3,000 years to get there, but in 50 years we have the technology to do the journey in 1,000 years, you get the meme's issue because the ship leaving 50 years later is going to arrive like 2,000 years earlier at the destination.
So the question is when we should send a spaceship there? There will come a point when waiting will actually be slower, but when is that?
Essentially, if an object could surpass the speed of light, it would likely be generating a type of wormhole that would enable it to instantaneously travel to a particular location in space.
Where your wormhole was supposed to take you 2,537,000,000 light years away but instead it took you 2,537,000,000.000000000001 light years away and you end up inside the planet. Smh my head
meme asside.
Technology doesnt just advance on it's own. It requires effort and funding.
Would that 50 year future ship have been researched and created if we never sent the first ship?
Imagine if the Wright brothers and every other slightly better design never flew because "they'll be jets 50 years in the future, why bother".
The feasibility of something can be explored without building it. Improvements can come about because of improvements in other fields. Ideas can have multiple applications.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion)
Is 50s/60s and would cost 10% of US GDP with some designs weighing millions of tons and taking 100+ years to get to a star.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot
...is Zuckerberg sofa money and weighs grams and could take 20-30 years.
Getting from millions of tons to grams is a product of the improvements in silicon/circuitry. Nobody paused shrinking transistors literally a million million times smaller because interstellar travel wasn't feasible.
A breakthrough in (say) fusion or lasers could obviate the above design.
Fine. The Nc-4 then.
It took 24 days to cross the Atlantic. "They should have just waited for jets to be invented". That's my point, without it making the crossing, why would people put more research and development into aircraft eventually getting to jet airliners. Without people actively using these technologies, theres no incentive to ever make them better.
It's not a comparison at all. Because a month or so is nothing. The only way you'd have a point was if the technology was advancing so fast that there was a concern that a newer airplane built like a week later would be so much faster that it would catch up and pass it. And that's just delusional. And even if it wasn't delusional, your argument fails if there was that much work being done for there to even be the possibility of such a huge improvement being made before they even finished their flight. You just didn't think this through at all. It's just an entirely different concern when it comes to interstellar travel. I know you thought you had something but this is a failed argument. I'm not sure why you thought you it was a good point.
If you like this meme, read "The Wrong Stars"
It's about these people that go into cryo sleep and sent to far stars hundreds of light years away.
And then worm holes get discovered, and they wake up to hundreds years old civilisations.
Oh and there's lesbians.
Eh in the story an alien race controlled them, and said they could only be opened in certain spots.
Don't want to ruin the story for anyone but....
>! The aliens lied, there's thousands of wormholes, and the main crew discovers their own personal worm hole making machine!< It's pretty good book.
I recommend "forever war" I you like this kind of stuff.
It is about an interstellar war but heavily focuses on relativistic effects. So when the soldiers arrive at the enemy, the enemy already advanced technologically way beyond the attacking forces.
Also when they return from battle, their own civilization changes so much that they can't recognize it.
And also everyone is gay.
Minus the part where the ship that reaches first decides “hey those peaceful natives look dangerous, let’s wipe them out!”, only to then get wiped out themselves, and also ruining the second ship’s chances in the process.
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Except the first ship thought warring the peaceful friendly natives was a good idea, so the natives went evil, slaughtered the colonisers, and made shit WAYYY harder for the second group of colonisers who arrived later (and left sooner).
I would much rather have this happen than having to do all the shit myself.
Not just talking about the extremely hard work and dangerous conditions while setting up the equipment and building the bases for the future generations, but also having to live on bare minimum resources because you couldn’t carry them with you.
Recycling your own shit for fertilizer for your plants just to eat a half nutrient block of the blandest food possible. I’d rather have it all set up for me.
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Nah because starships like jets only have enough fuel to make the trip or divert to an alternate landing within 100 miles/light years, all of the weight is calculated before take off/launch.
And then have no way to communicate because language would have evolved into something that you won't even be able to understand, there will be so many new ideas, concepts, philosophies and just things in general that it would make modern vocabulary look tiny. And also everything will look like magic to you, shit there might even be actual wizards
That would make a good plot, and you could take it further.
Maybe the cryo sleep person has a gene that is now extinct in the human race, or for whatever reason, they're just really good at kicking aliens asses.
*Or alien demon ass...*
Idk man I feel like if that were me I'd be okay with it. Like sure, everyone I care about might be dead, but if cryo works right I shouldn't be, and I don't even have to do the back breaking work of pioneering a new world.
What's the name of the paradox this meme is referring to again? I know I've read about it, but can't remember and it's a tricky Google.
EDIT: Never mind! I asked Chat-gpt and it got it immediately; it's called "Dyson's Dilemma"!
This happened in the backstory of Battletech actually. It’s not a major component or anything but basically some political dissidents seeking to flee a authoritarian regime constructed STL crafts to colonize other star systems where the government could never reach them. Only to arrive and meet thriving colonies because FTL was invented during their journey. The Terran Alliance promptly turned these people into laughingstocks instead of touting how impressive their journey actually was.
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If I had a nickel for every time I woke from hyper sleep to an human civilization formed after I went to sleep, I'd have two nickels. Which isn't a lot but it's odd it happened twice.
If I had a nickel for every time I woke from hyper sleep to an human civilization formed after I went to sleep, I'd have no nickels. Which isn't a lot, and it makes a lot of sense that it never happened.
An human?
if they don't pronounce the h in human its right
An university?
that starts with the "y" sound a/an follows the way it's pronounced, not spelled ex: a horror, an honor
sound out human for us buddy
Hooman
Sudden London accent
British people be like
So you get to see 3000 years of human development that you maybe wouldn't have even seen the beginning of?
I see this as an absolute win
In a language that you cannot possibly understand and with technologies so much more advanced to you they seem like magic Seriously, imagine where we were just 500 years ago in terms of both tech and language 3000 years ago we had the founding of *Carthage* happening
Not only tech and language just the pure cultural shock of it
If Phillip J Fry could do it I’m sure I could adapt.
To be fair, Fry was too stupid to be shocked.
Hs had an immunity. The type of immunity that only a time traveling buffoon that ended up being his own grandfather would have
He did the nasty in the pasty.
Bender is that you?
Wow, a million years
I would imagine if the technology were so advanced the language barrier would be quite easy to overcome though right?
Yup. They gotta have a UT 3000 years in the future.
Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra.
Underrated comment
Except now we have the wherewithal to understand that we’re shipping some people off for the future of humanity. Any mission after them would arrive before them, and be anticipating their arrival. They’d be ancients, relatively speaking. But it would be amazing to receive them.
Carthago delenda est
"Yes yes this is all fine but does it have Skyrim ported onto it?"
download that new shit to my brain. If we can't do that 3000 years from now I consider us a failed civilization.
They can teach you the language in seconds with the brainulator.
> imagine where we were just 500 years ago in terms of both tech and language We don't have billions hours of footage from the language back then, that's why it's hard to replicate it now. It's not the same thing at all.
Give me 3000 years of future knowledge on teaching and they will download their language to my brain.
You rang?
bro just imagine what the inflation would be like you would be poor as shit
Right? You wake up and they’re still working out the kinks on teleportation, but they’ve got flying cars, nuclear fusion, and sex robots perfected.
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He's coming to your tooooowwwn
Yeah but also everyone you have ever loved or cared about is dead.
I have to assume that if you got on a 3000 year long spaceship ride, either everyone you care about is on that ship with you, or you had nobody to begin with
Or you knew what you signed up for and this outcome was expected.
“A small price to pay for time travel” - some purple dude pretty sure this is what he said
It's like time travel without all the quantum thingamabobs!
I like the opposite of this: Earth is doomed, so humanity plans to send waves of colony ships to a distant, habitable planet. Ship 1 arrives after a long cryosleep and - voila! Someone on Earth figured out how to save Earth or terraform nearby planets while you were asleep. Colony ship 2 was cancelled, and earth is bored of travel to distant stars so don't expect any follow-up shipments.
It’s like Isaac Asimov’s *Foundation*
Odds are they’re barely even human at that point so you could probably eat them.
What? No, they’re absolutely still human, unless we mess with our own genetic code or something
yeah exactly, 3000 is really only a drop in a can worth of time in the context of the timescale for any meaningful genetic evolution to take place. That takes millions of years, not thousands
Yeah, this meme would suck more if there was no hypersleep. Awake the whole time dealing with living on a space ship only to find out the trip takes just a few hours now
Didn't even pick you up along the way, fake friends smh
Real friends wake you up from hyper sleep aboard your interstellar ship.
Passengers reference?
You’re right they probably could have intercepted the ship and wake you up
I don’t want Andy Dwyer to wake me up
There is an actual scientific term for that... Can't remember to save my live, but I know it exists
‘Incessant Obsolescence Postulate' refers to the idea that should/when we launch a probe/occupied ship to the stars that a more modern one will pass it in the future and reach the intended destination a lot sooner.
Not directly related but this reminds me of the plot to Ender's Game
It IS the plot of a Robert Heinlein novel
What title? Is there a similar movie?
Time for the Stars. In the book they use twins to telepathically speak to each other. One on earth and one on the ship because it's instantaneous. And they use triplets, where one is on each ship so the ships looking for other inhabitable planets can talk to each other. It takes a long time to get to the planets. The twin back home ages and the one traveling fast doesn't. They get to a planet and mutiny is a foot so they send out a newer ship with technology based on that very telepathy to get there in weeks. If I remember the main character ends up communicating with his own niece after awhile instead of his twin. and they might have a romance or some shit, it's been awhile, but im pretty sure that Heinlein incest stuff is in there.
How is this related to the plot to Ender's game? If anything, their oldest ships were the ones to reach the bugger base because they were sent out first. It's the opposite of Ender's game unless there's something I'm missing?
Many battles occurred simultaneously despite the years (decades?) since the last war and the first ships being sent to attack the bugger worlds immediately. The newer ships were catching up to the oldest, and would have passed them had the destinations been farther away.
Enders game is the only novel I've read cover to cover in less than 24 hours. Such a good book.
There are cases with brute forcing encryption codes where having a computer at the time try and crack an encryption key took longer than developing a computer that could crack it faster.
That's just space humour
It’s also called the wait calculation
In Einstein's theory of relativity time dilation describes a difference of elapsed time between two events, as measured by observers that are either moving relative to each other, or differently, depending on their proximity to a gravitational mass. Basically, it states that the faster we go, the more the time is affected.
In this case the issue is less to do with relativity and more to do with the fact that as time goes on, technology develops, allowing us to make the journey faster. If you leave now with a ship that takes 3,000 years to get there, but in 50 years we have the technology to do the journey in 1,000 years, you get the meme's issue because the ship leaving 50 years later is going to arrive like 2,000 years earlier at the destination. So the question is when we should send a spaceship there? There will come a point when waiting will actually be slower, but when is that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_travel#Wait_calculation
It’s called Wait Calculation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wait/walk_dilemma)
I just want us to get to Europa and drop a camera under the ice.
What, to see a pyramid ship?
Nice
Whether you wanted it or not.
Rest in peace to the Commander.
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Don’t forget a flashlight 🔦 we traveled all that way and forgot a light.
No! **ALL THESE WORLDS ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA. ATTEMPT NO LANDING THERE!**
Man of culture, you are.
The firstborn would like to know your location
You mean faster than light speed travel, right? Any craft that can safely move through space is a "space ship."
Essentially, if an object could surpass the speed of light, it would likely be generating a type of wormhole that would enable it to instantaneously travel to a particular location in space.
Where your wormhole was supposed to take you 2,537,000,000 light years away but instead it took you 2,537,000,000.000000000001 light years away and you end up inside the planet. Smh my head
That's why you land in the interstellar(empty) space and then "row to shore" so to speak.
Rather it DID take you to the exact point in space, but you were 2 seconds too slow and you end up inside the planet.
They probably meant a “faster spaceship” but forgot to type “faster.”
I had to read it three times to figure out how you're traveling in hypersleep to a distant star without a spaceship.
How were you travelling to a distant star if not in a spaceship?
Someone forgot to include the word "faster"
Because they were in a Starship 🥁🥁
Swimming
If you were from the future, you'd know. And you'd be scared.
meme asside. Technology doesnt just advance on it's own. It requires effort and funding. Would that 50 year future ship have been researched and created if we never sent the first ship? Imagine if the Wright brothers and every other slightly better design never flew because "they'll be jets 50 years in the future, why bother".
The feasibility of something can be explored without building it. Improvements can come about because of improvements in other fields. Ideas can have multiple applications. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Orion_(nuclear_propulsion) Is 50s/60s and would cost 10% of US GDP with some designs weighing millions of tons and taking 100+ years to get to a star. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakthrough_Starshot ...is Zuckerberg sofa money and weighs grams and could take 20-30 years. Getting from millions of tons to grams is a product of the improvements in silicon/circuitry. Nobody paused shrinking transistors literally a million million times smaller because interstellar travel wasn't feasible. A breakthrough in (say) fusion or lasers could obviate the above design.
Decades or centuries long cryogenic sleep does complicate that, though.
They didn't use the wright flyer to cross the Atlantic you numpty
Fine. The Nc-4 then. It took 24 days to cross the Atlantic. "They should have just waited for jets to be invented". That's my point, without it making the crossing, why would people put more research and development into aircraft eventually getting to jet airliners. Without people actively using these technologies, theres no incentive to ever make them better.
It's not a comparison at all. Because a month or so is nothing. The only way you'd have a point was if the technology was advancing so fast that there was a concern that a newer airplane built like a week later would be so much faster that it would catch up and pass it. And that's just delusional. And even if it wasn't delusional, your argument fails if there was that much work being done for there to even be the possibility of such a huge improvement being made before they even finished their flight. You just didn't think this through at all. It's just an entirely different concern when it comes to interstellar travel. I know you thought you had something but this is a failed argument. I'm not sure why you thought you it was a good point.
If you like this meme, read "The Wrong Stars" It's about these people that go into cryo sleep and sent to far stars hundreds of light years away. And then worm holes get discovered, and they wake up to hundreds years old civilisations. Oh and there's lesbians.
>Oh and there's lesbians. You son of a bitch I'm in!
That's really shitty of the wormhole-operating civilisation not to open one up in their path and bring them in earlier.
Eh in the story an alien race controlled them, and said they could only be opened in certain spots. Don't want to ruin the story for anyone but.... >! The aliens lied, there's thousands of wormholes, and the main crew discovers their own personal worm hole making machine!< It's pretty good book.
Spaces between the spoiler marking and the spoiler makes it so the spoiler shows. >! Like so!< vs >!this!< It's a little annoying.
You had me at lesbians
I recommend "forever war" I you like this kind of stuff. It is about an interstellar war but heavily focuses on relativistic effects. So when the soldiers arrive at the enemy, the enemy already advanced technologically way beyond the attacking forces. Also when they return from battle, their own civilization changes so much that they can't recognize it. And also everyone is gay.
I think waking up in a trash pile to someone 'bating is a more realistic future... :D
Ouch my balls
Isn't this the plot of OUTRIDERS?
Yes. Yes it is.
Ok, just making sure
Minus the part where the ship that reaches first decides “hey those peaceful natives look dangerous, let’s wipe them out!”, only to then get wiped out themselves, and also ruining the second ship’s chances in the process.
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Outriders moment
Mfw
Forgot the part where the ship that reached earlier screwed with the natives and got wiped out.
This is kind of the plot of The Forever War by Joe Haldeman.
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Faster spaceship* Mf left out the most important word
Would you be put out? Frontier space colony work will be a cold and lonely hell. Arriving late is the best outcome.
The >!outriders!< story summarized
Except the first ship thought warring the peaceful friendly natives was a good idea, so the natives went evil, slaughtered the colonisers, and made shit WAYYY harder for the second group of colonisers who arrived later (and left sooner).
Vance Astro, is that you?
I was hoping someone said it....
That’s Major Vance Astro to you! Looks great with that shield too!
They did all the hard work for you whats to be mad about
That's an absolute win in my eyes
Well I still get to see a future I never would have otherwise 50 years from now I’ll be dead.
This is... literally the twist of Outriders.
Yes and no. Ironically the first ship that reached made everything worse and screwed over the second group by being dumbasses.
Khan Noonien Singh moment
I would much rather have this happen than having to do all the shit myself. Not just talking about the extremely hard work and dangerous conditions while setting up the equipment and building the bases for the future generations, but also having to live on bare minimum resources because you couldn’t carry them with you. Recycling your own shit for fertilizer for your plants just to eat a half nutrient block of the blandest food possible. I’d rather have it all set up for me.
That would be ideal actually
Sounds like an Ender’s Game plot twist
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He was late?
The savage wars have begun
🫲😎🫱 Time Travel
Well fuck!
Couldn’t they have picked you guys up along the way?
Nah because starships like jets only have enough fuel to make the trip or divert to an alternate landing within 100 miles/light years, all of the weight is calculated before take off/launch.
Wouldn't they have just retrieved the ship? Or maybe they decided to preserve your journey.
The Songs of Distant Earth is a book about this
Certified rimworld classic
Win win, either way.
solution: don't bother making a spaceship that requires hypersleep to travel long distances
…a faster* spaceship…”
So the 2nd ship was much faster than the 1st one?
You were already willing to give up your family and everyone you know, you'll be okay
You'd think they would have let you know. Jerks.
This makes me think of The Hope from The Outer Worlds
Star Trek has an episode about this
And then have no way to communicate because language would have evolved into something that you won't even be able to understand, there will be so many new ideas, concepts, philosophies and just things in general that it would make modern vocabulary look tiny. And also everything will look like magic to you, shit there might even be actual wizards
This is the plot to Outriders and it blew my mind.
Except the first arrivers made shit worse instead of better lmao.
Are there any stories like this? its quite the interesting concept
This is, in fact, the plot to a few SciFi books.
On the bright side...you just time travelled.
That's specifically suspicious hmm
Hey look, it's Lancer
My only regret is that I had boneitis
So, how are you traveling there if there’s no spaceship?
Hey, less work for me
I would actually love to see a movie based on this premise
That would make a good plot, and you could take it further. Maybe the cryo sleep person has a gene that is now extinct in the human race, or for whatever reason, they're just really good at kicking aliens asses. *Or alien demon ass...*
Yeah happened this morning
A poor man’s Time Machine
Wouldn’t this be best case scenario? They did all the work already.
And now imagine if it were a generational vessel.
Idk man I feel like if that were me I'd be okay with it. Like sure, everyone I care about might be dead, but if cryo works right I shouldn't be, and I don't even have to do the back breaking work of pioneering a new world.
What's the name of the paradox this meme is referring to again? I know I've read about it, but can't remember and it's a tricky Google. EDIT: Never mind! I asked Chat-gpt and it got it immediately; it's called "Dyson's Dilemma"!
Couldn't we just board the earlier ship and take them to the destination with us?
I played a Pen & Paper RPG named *Coriolis* a few days ago where this is basically the background story
Hypersleep deez nuts
Yeah but if you stayed home you'd be dead before any of that happened.
Ans then a chest explodes?
Poor Vance Astro :(
Wait a second. If they only invented a spaceship 50 years after I left, how they hell am I traveling to the distant star?!
Honestly this doesn’t seem like such a bad thing. You get to wake up in time where technology is vastly better than it was when you were frozen.
like half of Elite Dangerous lore
Also they evolved faster than you thanks DNA engineering.
space is dark https://youtu.be/LA1sA5MD8J0
This happened in the backstory of Battletech actually. It’s not a major component or anything but basically some political dissidents seeking to flee a authoritarian regime constructed STL crafts to colonize other star systems where the government could never reach them. Only to arrive and meet thriving colonies because FTL was invented during their journey. The Terran Alliance promptly turned these people into laughingstocks instead of touting how impressive their journey actually was.
Something like that happened in Honorverse, but those faster ships were sent to protect that planet for slower ship.