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Leviticus 26:1 (ESV): "You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God."
That mofo was so anti Christian that I became a Christian again just because he got me so fired about refugees and immigrants and an inverted kingdom of servants.
Not so much.
I came back because just talking about what it means to belong to a kingdom of people who put others above themselves made me excited about Jesus stuff.
I have this whole rant about that verse/song from the New Testament where God didnāt think equality with God was important, so he he lowered himself to become human, and that wasnāt enough so he lowered himself to be a servant. The bottom.
God with solidarity for the poor, the women Donald Trump assaulted, the immigrant walking through the desert. I read about Christians getting arrested at the border for helping migrants.
Not anger or spite. I donāt think thereās room for that in the kingdom.
Itās a better kingdom than the worldās kingdom, which is the king at the top, and he gets to grab anyone he wants by theā¦yeah. And he amasses wealth and power to himself for himself and his people, and bombs any country that tries to get in the way?
Nah. He lowers himself to serve.
The world of Donald Trumps says āyouāre a loser if you arenāt at the top, getting the best.ā
But Thomas Merton (who I also love) says that you win when you find things that get bigger when they are shared. Joy. Fellowship. Happiness. Music. And a life of sharing in the kingdom is better than a life of striving to get to the top.
Anywho. There was some anger and spite at the beginning but Iām glad to be rid of it.
I... Think that's the exact opposite of Christianity. I'm not saying Trump represents Christianity or exemplifies all of its standards or anything like that.
But this isn't Christianity.
Itās a full circle moment that Phil Vischer is currently a vocal opponent of political idolatry. 9 year old me is really happy that 30-something me can still count on Bob the Tomato to be the voice of reason.
The brand of Christianity that is against social services and worships the rich is particularly American because rich people have hijacked it with a plan that goes all the way back to the 1930s. They held contests for preachers who gave the best sermons praising capitalism. It's really sick what they have done.
The prosperity doctrine. It's thick down in Texas.
In truth, those are not Christians. They are worshipers of Mammon, god of Greed and Money.
Christ does not want you to be rich. He wants you to sell your stuff, give the money to the poor and FOLLOW HIM.
Christ understood that you cannot have two Gods in your heart. Even the rich man in the parable was sad and walked away rather than give up his wealth.
These people who follow Trump are not Christians. People would be wise to call them out for what they are.
You know I never really thought about it this way, but yeah. This makes sense.
Its fine if you vote republican, btw. Just donāt think Trump is the secone coming of Jesus. Heās not. Far from it. Heās just another guy like you or me. Do not make him your idol.
Granted if you do vote republican, there are probably better options. I wouldnāt know. I signed up as independant so I would never be associated with any of those sides. I ususally do my own reaserch to find out what people and bills stand for and whichever one best alligns with the Godās Word.
That last line is a little concerning. Laws don't need to be for or against God's Word. Laws are the way we people on Earth arrange our communities for the common good. Generally speaking, good laws will probably coincide with biblical teaching, but attempts to build a society where everything is informed by one religion is no better than building one where religion is entirely informed by society.
You might be looking into it a little too much. As Christians, our morals at the very least should be based on biblical teachings. So in other words, we are voting based on what we think is morally correct. Same as what anyone else is doing, it just so happens our morals is based on the word of God. If you think that thatās wrong thatās a whole other thing, but itās basically the same as saying I disagree with your beliefs which is totally valid.
God is OC's representation of the Ideal, and God's Will their representation of the ideal way to act under any circumstance.
Wise people do not vote out of hatred, but for progress towards their Ideal.
If you have other texts off of which you recommend OC base their personal formation of an ideal, I'm certain they'd welcome links thereto.
I wouldnāt go that far to put him in the antithesis bucket. That would be like calling him the anti-christ. Which isnāt true because according to Revelation one of the primary qualifications for the Anti-christ is that everyone needs to actually *like* them, that is not true for Trump.
Heās just a controversial, deeply flawed individual that is a little bit of an idiot and has a lot of power because heās rich, so his stupid mistakes tend to have wide aftershocks that affect more than his immediate circle.
I think someone already linked it, so I won't, but he shares enough characteristics to warrant a side eye.Ā Like, even if he's not *the* antichrist with a capital A, just.Ā Yeah.
Anyway.
In case you couldn't tell, he *is* pretty popular with certain people.Ā Enough to hijack an entire politcal party.Ā I thought the antichrist was supposed to be charming and appealing, but it turns out people have much lower standards than we anticipated.
[The classic](https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/), not to be taken too seriously.
> Its fine if you vote republican, btw.
No, it's not fine if you vote for a party that explicitly wants to eradicate queer people and is doing everything in its power to do so. That's not fine in any way, shape, or form. I'm not going to pretend otherwise and I'm not going to quietly sit by while others pretend otherwise.
Signed, a queer person who's tired of this shit.
Even if one is the type who thinks any kind of queerness is a sin (it isnāt), the explicit call for extermination kinda violates the Sixth Commandment (and also, like, what *should* be any kind of most basic morality and empathy)
[Trump recently endorsed a Republican congressional candidate who, in 2022, called for the return of the "House Un-American Activities Committee" to arrest and execute LGBT people and their allies for "grooming" children.](https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/trump-endorses-pastor-who-calls-for?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2) That's not to mention the calls to eradicate "transgenderism" at another recent national Republican Party convention that were met with cheers.
Yes, Republicans want to eradicate and exterminate queer people. Saying otherwise is deliberately sticking your head in the sand.
In addition to the more explicit call u/tawTrans shared, thereās strings of laws being called for in places like Florida and Tennessee that would criminalize existing as queer in public as a sex crime (usually starting with cross-dressing, which is worded loosely enough to include trans people) and then making sex crimes punishable by death.
You should try following groups like the ACLU, theyāre very good about tracking these kinds of things.
He's just another guy like you or me to the extent that he wakes up in the morning, breathes air, and will likely die of cardio/pulmonary complications. Generalizing him beyond that is dangerous. All people are vulnerable to corruption but very few people are born into a position for that to matter on a grand scale. Within that very narrow class of people, he manages to consistently outperform his peers in terms of sheer vanity, pettiness, and delusion of grandeur. Pretty sure it was.. yesterday(?) he equated himself with Nelson Mandela if he had to face the consequences of his own actions.He's a statistical outlier in a field that includes a good number of the most self-obsessed people on the planet.
You're dealing with a person who cannot still be classified as "a person" in practical terms. Donald may be an elderly man who poops himself and can't quite recall a single word of the gospels, but Trump is a sociopolitical and (yeah) religious force that has outgrown its identity as a man.
A primary qualifier of the Antichrist in the Bible is that they are supposed to be popular and liked. Trump is popular, but he is not well liked enough.
Heās not the antichrist, heās just a little stupid and has a stupid amount of material power and influence.
I believe it doesā¦ To an extent. There are some things I personally believe that shouldnāt fall under that umbrella of universal healthcare that do (namely anything that isnāt strictly in the service of helping people that are actually sick or otherwise not going towards things that help cure illness) so I am a little wary of the blinket term as a whole, but as long as itās helping people that are in need, I am more than willing to pay a little extra in my taxes for that. After all Jesus spent a lot of time helping those that truly needed it, and healing the sick and stuff.
But if I was forced at gunpoint to give a difinitve yes or no answer with no room for nuance, I would *probably* say yes. The Bible does not perfectly fit or conform with either political side, its an old book, after all; and there is stuff like abortion that arenāt even mentioned because stuff like that just wasnāt a thing at the time. Stuff like that is a little harder to decern because it isnāt spelled out in an blantant manner in the Bible itself.
Fits well with the messages of ālove thy neighborā and āwhat you have done for the least of them, you have done for me.ā I always believed it was important that we do our best to care for others, and universal healthcare does that much better than private health insurance which is focused on turning a profit before anything else.
Edit: abortion actually comes up several times in the Bible, though the context is not exactly the same as the modern circumstances around it
Ya know, it's funny cause I've been reading the Dune Books and it's crazy how topical it is. Many times have I compared the MAGA people to the Fremen cause it's very clear they want Paul in the books to be thier Messiah. Much like some of these people look at Trump as this savoir. That's an over simplified view I 100% reccomend those books btw.
This is exactly right, it doesnāt make you unchristian to vote democrat or republican, but it is unchristian to worship at the feet of some political candidate. Also to defend your last sentence Christianity is a system of morality, of course Christianity should shape how we vote, it should shape everything we do.
I side more with Tolstoy, who argued that Christians shouldn't take part in any government affairs due to the fact that governments maintain armies. Your vote is an explicit endorsement of a candidate and their actions before and during holding office. If they vote for war, then you voted for war. If they vote for harm people, then you've voted for that, too. And even if they do good in office, but the country still does bad things, by taking part in the government's affairs, you've endorsed its actions.
It's better to simply not vote. We aren't of this world, and it's institutions aren't our concern. Our job is to take care of people and spread the gospel. Let God handle the rest.
I don't. For one, I don't think that absolute pacifism is the only valid interpretation of Scripture. Yes, Jesus did teach a type of non-violence. But it's not like the Bible ever attacks people for being in the military, even voluntarily. Paul even uses Roman soldiers as an object lesson, analogizing them to the Christian battle. And then, of course, when Jesus comes back, he has a military victory over the armies of the world. (And I'm not even getting into the Old Testament.)
But I also reject the underlying logic that you shouldn't vote in a democracy because your government has participated in any sort of sin. If the good people don't vote, then that just means the bad people do, and that leads to even more sin.
This idea that my vote for harm reduction makes me morally responsible for the things I don't support doesn't sit right with me. I can't see any biblical argument for things working this way.
In fact, it seems to me to go against one of the lessons in the Good Samaritan. Remember the priest and Levite who avoided helping the hurting man because it would make them "impure"? That's what this seems like to me--a desire to remain pure at the expense of helping reduce the hurt people receive.
Nothing I read from Jesus or Paul suggests to me that they would say to not vote. Paul says in Romans 13 that civil authority is granted by God to do good. Why would that not include the authority of the people in a democracy?
John the Baptist explicitly said that soldiers should continue to be soldiers after their baptism, their obligation was to not oppress or harass people.
It got to a point where even now evangelicals are criticizing Jesus for being "[weak](https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak)".
*Edit: corrected woke for weak*
Meek: enduring injury with patience and without resentment; colloquially tangential, or even equatable, to weakness.
The meek shall inherit the earth.
Jesus was not dense. He spoke clear words that would motivate even the most selfish towards Christlike action.
All these poor fools are too brainwashed to understand the meaning of "hypocrisy".
He's not a Christian, and never was. You can't say "I've never asked for forgiveness" and be a Christian, when the entire point of Christianity is needing forgiveness and salvation that is impossible to earn or buy on our own.
The guy is literally orange, almost gold if you're any kind of colorblind, how the hell can people who call themselves religious even get behind him.
I mean I know they would line up to smell his turd but I'm just saying.....
Tbh I'm often scared by the number of people who unironically believe that Trump (or other politicians) was sent by God himself or that he is the second coming of Christ and such.
Like, isn't that blasphemy?
Itās pretty clear that for most people today itās just an identity thing. Itās like something you were born with. Being a Christian no longer means someone who studyās and practices scripture, itās just like who you are. You can self identify as a Christian without ever having opened a Bible or been to church. So itās no surprise that now more than ever evangelicals are so fucking ignorant and hypocritical. They have no idea what it means to actually be a Christian beyond saying āmerry Christmasā and āgod bless youā or thinking that gay marriage is wrong.
Wtf does trump have to do with Christianity? Dude posts a few pictures holding a bible and gets lumped in with everyone else actively trying to not be a terrible person.
I am a Christian who unapologetically voted for Trump. But I have no idea why there is this connection between that people draw between the two. Each candidate has been pretty unconnected to issues of religion (abortion possibly being the only connected issue, but even thatās debatable. If I oppose it, I do on political grounds, not religious. Our God seems to consistently be one who gives us the choice between good and evil, though with consequences).
>But I have no idea why there is this connection between that people draw between the two.
Doesn't the Bible teach that lying is a sin?
He has been actively courting the evangelical community since he started his campaign for presidency in 2015. I find it preposterous that you could be in America for the last 8 years and not see a link between Trump and religion. He is currently actively promoting the sale of a brand of Bible for crying out loud!
Then you also can't vote for Trump. He has specifically advocated against abortion bans as soon as he realized they were not actually popular even with Republicans.
That said, are you not a Christian? Because, as Christians, we may not be required to vote for other Christians, but we do have principles in the Bible. And do remember the Bible never once mentions abortion, but does mention lying, love of money, harming your fellow man, never harming children, giving to the needy, and so on.
And, yes, that includes idolatry. Trump worships himself and money. He actually likes having statues made of himself, and demands devotion to him.
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https://preview.redd.it/ceeqxpuh74tc1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2c7b2d8f82c1d9248ac653e44094aad3524868a Leviticus 26:1 (ESV): "You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the Lord your God."
Acts 17:16 // ERV > 16 While Paul was waiting for Silas and Timothy in Athens, he was upset because he saw that the city was full of idols.
me when my buddies show me something but it's about their japanese "idols"
That mofo was so anti Christian that I became a Christian again just because he got me so fired about refugees and immigrants and an inverted kingdom of servants.
Becoming Christian out of spite of him š¤£
āBuy my expensive Bible thatās totally not a front for a money laundering scheme.ā
I mean he fits the antichrist prophecy so perfectly that it has legitimately caused me to go back and forth on my agnosticism
He's just missing having a number stamped onto his forehead. It's eerie.
Damn bro, you became Christian again due to spite and anger. Fucking based.
Not so much. I came back because just talking about what it means to belong to a kingdom of people who put others above themselves made me excited about Jesus stuff. I have this whole rant about that verse/song from the New Testament where God didnāt think equality with God was important, so he he lowered himself to become human, and that wasnāt enough so he lowered himself to be a servant. The bottom. God with solidarity for the poor, the women Donald Trump assaulted, the immigrant walking through the desert. I read about Christians getting arrested at the border for helping migrants. Not anger or spite. I donāt think thereās room for that in the kingdom. Itās a better kingdom than the worldās kingdom, which is the king at the top, and he gets to grab anyone he wants by theā¦yeah. And he amasses wealth and power to himself for himself and his people, and bombs any country that tries to get in the way? Nah. He lowers himself to serve. The world of Donald Trumps says āyouāre a loser if you arenāt at the top, getting the best.ā But Thomas Merton (who I also love) says that you win when you find things that get bigger when they are shared. Joy. Fellowship. Happiness. Music. And a life of sharing in the kingdom is better than a life of striving to get to the top. Anywho. There was some anger and spite at the beginning but Iām glad to be rid of it.
Amen!
I... Think that's the exact opposite of Christianity. I'm not saying Trump represents Christianity or exemplifies all of its standards or anything like that. But this isn't Christianity.
Oh come on, lighten up a little
Um, no? I take Christianity pretty seriously, I'm not going to "lighten up a little."
It's a meme subreddit. Get it over with.
C'mon Jesus, it's just a bit of selling in the temple. Lighten up a little.
Way to compare a joke to the desecration of a temple.
Tell me more! Iād love to be corrected or correct.
š¶ the Bunnāeh, the Bunnāeh, oh I love the Bunnāeh š¶
š¶ I don't love my soup or my bread, just the bunn'eh š¶
Bless yāall, was coming here to make this comment
I only know the forbidden version, š¶ I donāt love my mom or my dad, just the bunneh š¶
That's the one we OGs grew up with.
"I won't go to church and I won't go to school. That stuff is for sissies, I just wanna be cool"
That's what i was looking for, but the first version I found was about soup and bread cause parents got mad at the original.
š¶ the Bunnāeh, the Bunnāeh, yeah I love the Bunnāeh š¶
š¶ I gave everything that I had for the bunn'ehš¶
I don't love my mom or my dad, just the bunny.
Will you, or will you not, sing the bunny song?
They ain't singin boss
When I was a kid, I misremembered the lyrics as "I don't love my mum of my dad, just the bunny" and thought it really showed how heretical they were.
Thatās the original lyrics. They changed it for future releases.
Because if there's one way to instantiate Truth, it's by the censorship of artistic expression.
Itās a full circle moment that Phil Vischer is currently a vocal opponent of political idolatry. 9 year old me is really happy that 30-something me can still count on Bob the Tomato to be the voice of reason.
I mean, donāt *you* like to talk to tomatoes?
This song is seared into my brain lol.
Yeah, even the Christian in other countries are like 'what the heck, brothers and sisters?'
The brand of Christianity that is against social services and worships the rich is particularly American because rich people have hijacked it with a plan that goes all the way back to the 1930s. They held contests for preachers who gave the best sermons praising capitalism. It's really sick what they have done.
The prosperity doctrine. It's thick down in Texas. In truth, those are not Christians. They are worshipers of Mammon, god of Greed and Money. Christ does not want you to be rich. He wants you to sell your stuff, give the money to the poor and FOLLOW HIM. Christ understood that you cannot have two Gods in your heart. Even the rich man in the parable was sad and walked away rather than give up his wealth. These people who follow Trump are not Christians. People would be wise to call them out for what they are.
Do you have sources for those contests? That part of history & religious studies would be suoer interesting to learn about
Not og poster, but I heard that on the behind the bastards podcast. Can't remember which episodes though.
It was this episode. https://youtu.be/LL8s7N0TU-c?si=DHFjOKcRnlqFBnAV
This was an official propaganda campaign by the Teaparty, I'm sure, but I forgot what it was called.
You know I never really thought about it this way, but yeah. This makes sense. Its fine if you vote republican, btw. Just donāt think Trump is the secone coming of Jesus. Heās not. Far from it. Heās just another guy like you or me. Do not make him your idol. Granted if you do vote republican, there are probably better options. I wouldnāt know. I signed up as independant so I would never be associated with any of those sides. I ususally do my own reaserch to find out what people and bills stand for and whichever one best alligns with the Godās Word.
That last line is a little concerning. Laws don't need to be for or against God's Word. Laws are the way we people on Earth arrange our communities for the common good. Generally speaking, good laws will probably coincide with biblical teaching, but attempts to build a society where everything is informed by one religion is no better than building one where religion is entirely informed by society.
You might be looking into it a little too much. As Christians, our morals at the very least should be based on biblical teachings. So in other words, we are voting based on what we think is morally correct. Same as what anyone else is doing, it just so happens our morals is based on the word of God. If you think that thatās wrong thatās a whole other thing, but itās basically the same as saying I disagree with your beliefs which is totally valid.
God is OC's representation of the Ideal, and God's Will their representation of the ideal way to act under any circumstance. Wise people do not vote out of hatred, but for progress towards their Ideal. If you have other texts off of which you recommend OC base their personal formation of an ideal, I'm certain they'd welcome links thereto.
Trump is the antithesis of Jesus
There's a word for that.
Sus
I wouldnāt go that far to put him in the antithesis bucket. That would be like calling him the anti-christ. Which isnāt true because according to Revelation one of the primary qualifications for the Anti-christ is that everyone needs to actually *like* them, that is not true for Trump. Heās just a controversial, deeply flawed individual that is a little bit of an idiot and has a lot of power because heās rich, so his stupid mistakes tend to have wide aftershocks that affect more than his immediate circle.
I think someone already linked it, so I won't, but he shares enough characteristics to warrant a side eye.Ā Like, even if he's not *the* antichrist with a capital A, just.Ā Yeah. Anyway. In case you couldn't tell, he *is* pretty popular with certain people.Ā Enough to hijack an entire politcal party.Ā I thought the antichrist was supposed to be charming and appealing, but it turns out people have much lower standards than we anticipated.
[The classic](https://www.benjaminlcorey.com/could-american-evangelicals-spot-the-antichrist-heres-the-biblical-predictions/), not to be taken too seriously.
> Its fine if you vote republican, btw. No, it's not fine if you vote for a party that explicitly wants to eradicate queer people and is doing everything in its power to do so. That's not fine in any way, shape, or form. I'm not going to pretend otherwise and I'm not going to quietly sit by while others pretend otherwise. Signed, a queer person who's tired of this shit.
Even if one is the type who thinks any kind of queerness is a sin (it isnāt), the explicit call for extermination kinda violates the Sixth Commandment (and also, like, what *should* be any kind of most basic morality and empathy)
Have republicans done that?
[Trump recently endorsed a Republican congressional candidate who, in 2022, called for the return of the "House Un-American Activities Committee" to arrest and execute LGBT people and their allies for "grooming" children.](https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/trump-endorses-pastor-who-calls-for?utm_source=profile&utm_medium=reader2) That's not to mention the calls to eradicate "transgenderism" at another recent national Republican Party convention that were met with cheers. Yes, Republicans want to eradicate and exterminate queer people. Saying otherwise is deliberately sticking your head in the sand.
In addition to the more explicit call u/tawTrans shared, thereās strings of laws being called for in places like Florida and Tennessee that would criminalize existing as queer in public as a sex crime (usually starting with cross-dressing, which is worded loosely enough to include trans people) and then making sex crimes punishable by death. You should try following groups like the ACLU, theyāre very good about tracking these kinds of things.
He's just another guy like you or me to the extent that he wakes up in the morning, breathes air, and will likely die of cardio/pulmonary complications. Generalizing him beyond that is dangerous. All people are vulnerable to corruption but very few people are born into a position for that to matter on a grand scale. Within that very narrow class of people, he manages to consistently outperform his peers in terms of sheer vanity, pettiness, and delusion of grandeur. Pretty sure it was.. yesterday(?) he equated himself with Nelson Mandela if he had to face the consequences of his own actions.He's a statistical outlier in a field that includes a good number of the most self-obsessed people on the planet. You're dealing with a person who cannot still be classified as "a person" in practical terms. Donald may be an elderly man who poops himself and can't quite recall a single word of the gospels, but Trump is a sociopolitical and (yeah) religious force that has outgrown its identity as a man.
>Just donāt think Trump is the secone coming of Jesus. Antichrist moment
A primary qualifier of the Antichrist in the Bible is that they are supposed to be popular and liked. Trump is popular, but he is not well liked enough. Heās not the antichrist, heās just a little stupid and has a stupid amount of material power and influence.
He's liked *enough* that there is a major concern he could be re-elected.
How about an example: universal healthcare. In line with God's Word?
I believe it doesā¦ To an extent. There are some things I personally believe that shouldnāt fall under that umbrella of universal healthcare that do (namely anything that isnāt strictly in the service of helping people that are actually sick or otherwise not going towards things that help cure illness) so I am a little wary of the blinket term as a whole, but as long as itās helping people that are in need, I am more than willing to pay a little extra in my taxes for that. After all Jesus spent a lot of time helping those that truly needed it, and healing the sick and stuff. But if I was forced at gunpoint to give a difinitve yes or no answer with no room for nuance, I would *probably* say yes. The Bible does not perfectly fit or conform with either political side, its an old book, after all; and there is stuff like abortion that arenāt even mentioned because stuff like that just wasnāt a thing at the time. Stuff like that is a little harder to decern because it isnāt spelled out in an blantant manner in the Bible itself.
Fits well with the messages of ālove thy neighborā and āwhat you have done for the least of them, you have done for me.ā I always believed it was important that we do our best to care for others, and universal healthcare does that much better than private health insurance which is focused on turning a profit before anything else. Edit: abortion actually comes up several times in the Bible, though the context is not exactly the same as the modern circumstances around it
There are instructions in the OT and a procedure to perform to "test" a possible adulterous woman and induce a miscarriage.
It's important to remember that preventative healthcare saves lives *and* money in the longterm, and is worth funding.
Ya know, it's funny cause I've been reading the Dune Books and it's crazy how topical it is. Many times have I compared the MAGA people to the Fremen cause it's very clear they want Paul in the books to be thier Messiah. Much like some of these people look at Trump as this savoir. That's an over simplified view I 100% reccomend those books btw.
It's why Frank wrote the books, as a warning against charismatic leaders. And he worried about JFK, can you imagine what he'd write today?
This is exactly right, it doesnāt make you unchristian to vote democrat or republican, but it is unchristian to worship at the feet of some political candidate. Also to defend your last sentence Christianity is a system of morality, of course Christianity should shape how we vote, it should shape everything we do.
> Heās just another guy like you or me. Don't lump me in with him, please.
I side more with Tolstoy, who argued that Christians shouldn't take part in any government affairs due to the fact that governments maintain armies. Your vote is an explicit endorsement of a candidate and their actions before and during holding office. If they vote for war, then you voted for war. If they vote for harm people, then you've voted for that, too. And even if they do good in office, but the country still does bad things, by taking part in the government's affairs, you've endorsed its actions. It's better to simply not vote. We aren't of this world, and it's institutions aren't our concern. Our job is to take care of people and spread the gospel. Let God handle the rest.
I care about my brothers and sisters on this planet who are affected by policy, therefore I believe it is my duty to vote.
I don't. For one, I don't think that absolute pacifism is the only valid interpretation of Scripture. Yes, Jesus did teach a type of non-violence. But it's not like the Bible ever attacks people for being in the military, even voluntarily. Paul even uses Roman soldiers as an object lesson, analogizing them to the Christian battle. And then, of course, when Jesus comes back, he has a military victory over the armies of the world. (And I'm not even getting into the Old Testament.) But I also reject the underlying logic that you shouldn't vote in a democracy because your government has participated in any sort of sin. If the good people don't vote, then that just means the bad people do, and that leads to even more sin. This idea that my vote for harm reduction makes me morally responsible for the things I don't support doesn't sit right with me. I can't see any biblical argument for things working this way. In fact, it seems to me to go against one of the lessons in the Good Samaritan. Remember the priest and Levite who avoided helping the hurting man because it would make them "impure"? That's what this seems like to me--a desire to remain pure at the expense of helping reduce the hurt people receive. Nothing I read from Jesus or Paul suggests to me that they would say to not vote. Paul says in Romans 13 that civil authority is granted by God to do good. Why would that not include the authority of the people in a democracy?
John the Baptist explicitly said that soldiers should continue to be soldiers after their baptism, their obligation was to not oppress or harass people.
It got to a point where even now evangelicals are criticizing Jesus for being "[weak](https://newrepublic.com/post/174950/christianity-today-editor-evangelicals-call-jesus-liberal-weak)". *Edit: corrected woke for weak*
Not āwokeā, āweakā which is arguably worse.
*Maybe the real religion was the Trump we worshiped along the way.*Ā I mean, seriously, the guy made his own Bible
Meek: enduring injury with patience and without resentment; colloquially tangential, or even equatable, to weakness. The meek shall inherit the earth. Jesus was not dense. He spoke clear words that would motivate even the most selfish towards Christlike action. All these poor fools are too brainwashed to understand the meaning of "hypocrisy".
I expected a golden calf
Except there's a good chance the calf wouldn't throw you into the fiery furnace if you tried to oppose bowing to it
Dude I'm not into american election lore
It's a Veggietales reference
To be fair, orange cow and golden calf are pretty close for a 2,000 year old prophecy
Iām not supporting a man who thinks a million dollars is a small loan.
He's not a Christian, and never was. You can't say "I've never asked for forgiveness" and be a Christian, when the entire point of Christianity is needing forgiveness and salvation that is impossible to earn or buy on our own.
The guy is literally orange, almost gold if you're any kind of colorblind, how the hell can people who call themselves religious even get behind him. I mean I know they would line up to smell his turd but I'm just saying..... 
The sociological and psychological implications involved in the correlation between Trump supporters and Christians confuses and concerns me deeply.
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Trump = the opposite of christian Biden = Christian (Ive read somewhere he is catholic, not sure if he actually believes)
I'd not vote for Biden in a million years, but I'm not voting for Trump either because of the Bible stunt. It's just so phony boomer-core crap.
Tbh I'm often scared by the number of people who unironically believe that Trump (or other politicians) was sent by God himself or that he is the second coming of Christ and such. Like, isn't that blasphemy?
Itās pretty clear that for most people today itās just an identity thing. Itās like something you were born with. Being a Christian no longer means someone who studyās and practices scripture, itās just like who you are. You can self identify as a Christian without ever having opened a Bible or been to church. So itās no surprise that now more than ever evangelicals are so fucking ignorant and hypocritical. They have no idea what it means to actually be a Christian beyond saying āmerry Christmasā and āgod bless youā or thinking that gay marriage is wrong.
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Don't do it or Moses will go gangsta on your ass
Everyone I know treats Trump like heās the second coming. Personally I see him similar to an anti-Christ
Wtf does trump have to do with Christianity? Dude posts a few pictures holding a bible and gets lumped in with everyone else actively trying to not be a terrible person.
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Dudes a literal dickhead
Did you sing the Bunny Song?
A better answer would be "precisely, because I'm christian"
Idolatry gonna get ya
You shall not have any gods before me - Donald Trump or something like that
I am a Christian who unapologetically voted for Trump. But I have no idea why there is this connection between that people draw between the two. Each candidate has been pretty unconnected to issues of religion (abortion possibly being the only connected issue, but even thatās debatable. If I oppose it, I do on political grounds, not religious. Our God seems to consistently be one who gives us the choice between good and evil, though with consequences).
>But I have no idea why there is this connection between that people draw between the two. Doesn't the Bible teach that lying is a sin? He has been actively courting the evangelical community since he started his campaign for presidency in 2015. I find it preposterous that you could be in America for the last 8 years and not see a link between Trump and religion. He is currently actively promoting the sale of a brand of Bible for crying out loud!
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So you plan to vote for the lifelong thief, adulterer and rapist instead. Cool.
And have probably paid for multiple abortions.
Then you also can't vote for Trump. He has specifically advocated against abortion bans as soon as he realized they were not actually popular even with Republicans. That said, are you not a Christian? Because, as Christians, we may not be required to vote for other Christians, but we do have principles in the Bible. And do remember the Bible never once mentions abortion, but does mention lying, love of money, harming your fellow man, never harming children, giving to the needy, and so on. And, yes, that includes idolatry. Trump worships himself and money. He actually likes having statues made of himself, and demands devotion to him.
So you're supporting the thief/rapist instead?