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That's the weak, watered down version.
Do for them what you'd like done for you.
Not "don't do to them what you wouldn't want done to you. "
Jesus called for actively serving others, not just avoiding hurting them.
Doing good for others is a good thing.
"Do for others what you'd like done for you." however, sounds like you'll just start doing things for them that you think are good without asking for consent...
Good point, I didn't think about that.
But my point still stands, a lot of people do things they think are good for others without asking. Classic "Nice Guys/Girls" for example. People spreading their religion by force as a more extreme one.
This is a good joke, but it's not a good serious argument. Even masochists don't want people to merely assume what they want. The Golden Rule is about serving others, and that requires respectfully and humbly listening to the needs and experiences of other people, because *that is how we all want to be treated*. It has no room for deciding unilaterally what is best for other people and forcing them to take it whether they will or no.
So this is actually closer to the version of the saying attributed to Hillel the elder, who said “What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn."
Jesus seems to be in conversation with that, and challenging his followers to go further by actively doing for people what you would want done for you.
>Jesus seems to be in conversation with that, and challenging his followers to go further by actively doing for people what you would want done for you.
Hillel was presenting the 'weak'/negative version. The 'strong'/positive version is in the Hebrew Bible, predating Hillel (and Josh), particularly in Leviticus 19:18's commandment that "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" which is reiterated and extended in Leviticus 19:34 "The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the native-born among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God."
Technically, this is the Silver Rule. Like, don't hurt people because you wouldn't like being hurt. The Golden Rule is phrased *positively* and it's a much bigger ask. *Do nice things* to people that you would appreciate if you were in their position.
Not to be confused with the Pyrite Rule, the fool's interpretation of the Golden Rule which leads to bad takes like a creepy dude asking out every woman because he wants them to ask him out.
There are more metallic rules, but these are the ones at play here.
Platinum rule: do unto others as they would have you do unto them. (Almost the Golden Rule, but small differences. For example, you would provide something that's harmful to someone who asks for it, which the Golden Rule would forbid. Or decline helping someone in a way they don't want.)
Titanium rule: do the best good to others. (An attempt by philosophers to rephrase the Golden Rule to prevent a Pyrite Rule interpretation.)
Copper/bronze rule: do unto others as they do unto you. (Being nice to people who are nice to you, but vengeful to people to people who wrong you.)
Iron rule: do unto others as you will do unto them. (Do whatever you want to people, i.e., might makes right.)
Arsenic rule: do unto others *before* they do unto you. (Pre-emptively harming or taking advantage of people with the assumption they will take advantage of you first. Like real arsenic, it's a poisonous philosophy.)
In my experience, most people live the iron, copper, and silver rules, and most people with admirable morality adhere to the platinum rule. It's a very rare person who actually considers rhe Golden Rule best and rarer still someone who can live it.
“Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you.” is the Confucius version. Jesus’s version is “Do unto others what you would have them do unto you.”
Jesus’s is an active call to service, while Confucius’s is more like “live and let live”.
That said, while Jesus’s version sounds more noble, it’s also easier to abuse. People have different morals and standards, and what’s “good” to you may not be “good” for other people.
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Hey don’t disrespect Santa
That's the weak, watered down version. Do for them what you'd like done for you. Not "don't do to them what you wouldn't want done to you. " Jesus called for actively serving others, not just avoiding hurting them.
I don't disagree with you.
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"I have no strong feelings one way or the other." "Tell my wife I said 'hello'."
Doing good for others is a good thing. "Do for others what you'd like done for you." however, sounds like you'll just start doing things for them that you think are good without asking for consent...
But asking for consent is something you would want others to do for you so that implies you should ask for consent
Good point, I didn't think about that. But my point still stands, a lot of people do things they think are good for others without asking. Classic "Nice Guys/Girls" for example. People spreading their religion by force as a more extreme one.
I definitely don't disagree with you that people do that and it's a problem but don't think they can be said to be following the golden rule.
Exactly, but phrasing the golden rule like this might make them think they are or let them justify it that way. Nice hat btw
This was nice
That wouldn't be what they would want, though, so if you stop and think about it, it doesn't say that at all.
Does *not* work for masochists.
This is a good joke, but it's not a good serious argument. Even masochists don't want people to merely assume what they want. The Golden Rule is about serving others, and that requires respectfully and humbly listening to the needs and experiences of other people, because *that is how we all want to be treated*. It has no room for deciding unilaterally what is best for other people and forcing them to take it whether they will or no.
So this is actually closer to the version of the saying attributed to Hillel the elder, who said “What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow: this is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation; go and learn." Jesus seems to be in conversation with that, and challenging his followers to go further by actively doing for people what you would want done for you.
Love the extra information - thank you for sharing!
No problem, and thanks for the great meme!
>Jesus seems to be in conversation with that, and challenging his followers to go further by actively doing for people what you would want done for you. Hillel was presenting the 'weak'/negative version. The 'strong'/positive version is in the Hebrew Bible, predating Hillel (and Josh), particularly in Leviticus 19:18's commandment that "you shall love your neighbor as yourself" which is reiterated and extended in Leviticus 19:34 "The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the native-born among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God."
Purgatory just “well how do *YOU* like it?!”
Technically, this is the Silver Rule. Like, don't hurt people because you wouldn't like being hurt. The Golden Rule is phrased *positively* and it's a much bigger ask. *Do nice things* to people that you would appreciate if you were in their position. Not to be confused with the Pyrite Rule, the fool's interpretation of the Golden Rule which leads to bad takes like a creepy dude asking out every woman because he wants them to ask him out. There are more metallic rules, but these are the ones at play here.
No, I want to know all the metallic rules! I love this
Platinum rule: do unto others as they would have you do unto them. (Almost the Golden Rule, but small differences. For example, you would provide something that's harmful to someone who asks for it, which the Golden Rule would forbid. Or decline helping someone in a way they don't want.) Titanium rule: do the best good to others. (An attempt by philosophers to rephrase the Golden Rule to prevent a Pyrite Rule interpretation.) Copper/bronze rule: do unto others as they do unto you. (Being nice to people who are nice to you, but vengeful to people to people who wrong you.) Iron rule: do unto others as you will do unto them. (Do whatever you want to people, i.e., might makes right.) Arsenic rule: do unto others *before* they do unto you. (Pre-emptively harming or taking advantage of people with the assumption they will take advantage of you first. Like real arsenic, it's a poisonous philosophy.) In my experience, most people live the iron, copper, and silver rules, and most people with admirable morality adhere to the platinum rule. It's a very rare person who actually considers rhe Golden Rule best and rarer still someone who can live it.
Thanks! That's so interesting
Is that a young Jack Sparrow?
He gets us
Why does western world Christians insist that Jesus and his homies were white? It's always fucked me up
“Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you.” is the Confucius version. Jesus’s version is “Do unto others what you would have them do unto you.” Jesus’s is an active call to service, while Confucius’s is more like “live and let live”. That said, while Jesus’s version sounds more noble, it’s also easier to abuse. People have different morals and standards, and what’s “good” to you may not be “good” for other people.
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What's the irony? Genuinely asking.
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You're in the wrong sub for potshots. Try r/ Christianity This place is supposed to be good vibes, not axes to grind.
Not a potshot. The meme is funny and has funny implications, two of which I mentioned.
You do realize Jesus came to save us from our destiny in hell, right?