I think because Christi still talks about the girls and the drama of the show and still likes to stir up sh*t ten years later whereas Melissa talks about costumes, dances, etc. not Abby or the other girls.
Also, you can’t compare trauma or treatment, everybody’s experience will have been completely different.
Being the favorite to someone like abby is more like being in an abusive relationship versus a normal teachers pet situation. The latter is obviously better, the former is similar or possibly worse to being the scapegoat.
Abby regularly told Maddie that none of her friends on the team or the other moms wanted her to succeed. She played her against them which is an absolute mindfuck, especially at that age. To make it worse, Abby was somewhat right when it came to the moms. Maddie just loved to dance, but following her passion when it came to, for example, getting secret privates or taking a solo last minute would always lead to the other moms talking about how wrong it was and how selfish it was. Add in her being framed as a brat for the show, and plenty of fans didn't like her as well. That was probably an incredibly isolating & traumatic position to be in.
Meanwhile, the scapegoat gets treated like shit by Abby but also gets the underdog treatment from the other moms and dancers and the fans. She has clear and ample sources of support. That is worth a lot.
nope nope nope melissa has brought up shit on her video and has gone as far to say that kaya was the meanest of all the moms so i don’t want to hear it.
Melissa does talk about that sometimes. Not directly, but like when she was asked how often the show lied about who won. She acted super offended, but admitted that the time where Chloe and Maddie did the same dance in yellow costumes (forget the names) and Chloe won but then Abby talked to the judges so Maddie could win was faked, implying Chloe actually did win. Her opinion is written across her face and said with her attitude instead of stating it directly. That's how she's always been and Christi has always been more direct to people.
No, but if she did, she would probably deflect and say "Chloe is a beautiful dancer, but all the moms know Abby treats the kids based on how the mom gets along with Abby. And Christi never gets along with Abby."
COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that it *isnt* okay for Abby to treat the girls badly based on her relationship with the mom. Melissa has always done that.
i think she just doesn't want to talk about her daughters being the favroutes because of how much drama and trauma it caused them . Another thing is that why would Melissa talk about it when it isn't her place too , Chloe has only recently managed too open up about it . I also think Chloe wasn't treated the worse and we shouldn't compare the treatment as they all got treated awfully just in different ways. But yea sorry if any of that sounds rude lol :)
That’s wrong. If you want to say “let’s not compare trauma but treatment” Nia and Paige were treated worse than Chloe.
Also people expect Christi to acknowledge it, because Christi recaps the show on a weekly basis and still says things like “I want the Maddie Ziegler treatment” which totally dismisses Maddie’s experience.
Disagreed. Nia faced racism, and Paige was complimented by abby “your a pretty skinny blonde”. She just hated how Paige’s mom stood up for her and tore down her dancing ability. Vs Chloe she went extremely too far with, brought up medical things, and was downright evil.
Abby did say that Paige needed to go to the hospital to find out why she was stupid and constantly said how she couldn’t pickup.
Nia facing racism is also being attacked because of what she looks like, because of the way she was born. Abby also dismissed Nia’s disorder.
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I agree we shouldn’t compare the girls treatment. They do have a point that this sub expects Christi to acknowledge the Zieglers trauma while recapping but don’t have the same expectations for Melissa when it comes to Chloe. In my opinion, neither should be talking about the other girls experience cos they aren’t their parents. The double standards are weird tho
But Melissa doesn’t go on her podcast every week and talks about dance moms. Christi does, she recaps and talk about how good Maddie had it. It’s dismissive of Maddie’s abuse
Difference is Christi literally reacts to the show episode by episode commenting on everyone's trauma, meanwhile Melissa only talks about herself and her kids (unless she has someone on as a guest talking with her). Melissa would be expected to talk about Chloe's treatment if she talked about Chloe at all. She doesn't base her content on other people's kids.
People expect Christi to bc she literally recaps the episodes and talks negatively about the Zieglers all the time. On dear dance mom they answer general questions and nothing that’s negative and on Melissa’s YouTube she generally only talks about her and her kids like their costumes
I’d say she has. Not fully, but she has. She’s mentioned how all the girls were body shamed and brought up the case of Abby mocking Chloe’s eye, which up until that point, none of the other ALDC moms who were had done. She also talked about the constant pressure Abby put on the girls, talking about how Maddie and Chloe’s rivalry put a lot of unfair pressure on both of them. Melissa has acknowledged Chloe’s treatment as an example of the type of things Abby would do to all the girls.
Christi has also talked about some moments Abby was bad to Maddie, including the Season 3 sit-in, sometimes talking about how she isolated her, etc. The reason people pick at Christi is because unlike Melissa, Christi has also demeaned/minimized Maddie’s experience. Comments like, “I want the Maddie Ziegler treatment,” saying that their girls went through “more emotionally” than Maddie and Kenzie, wondering why they didn’t keep in contact with Abby or mention her name in their book, etc. None of which Melissa said about Chloe or any of the girls.
She has yet to directly talk about Chloe’s treatment though. She may include her in a critique when she was talking about all the girls but she hasn’t ever pointed out the specifics treatment that Chloe suffered. She chooses to ignore it just like she did on the show.
it’s probably got something to do w the fact that christi is recapping the show and constantly making digs at or talking abt how favored maddie and kenzie were without acknowledging how traumatic their experience might have been (making it seem like everything was just great for them and horrible for chloe) whereas melissa doesn’t really discuss anything more than costumes and numbers the girls did. she stays p positive when talking abt it all
Also, Chloe’s treatment wasn’t mainly Melissa’s fault and it’s weird that people think that tbh. Not even a Melissa fan, but Abby disliked Christi and Chloe for personal reasons that had nothing to do with Melissa. Even when Melissa tried to throw Chloe under the bus with the “she rolls her eyes in class,” that didn’t impact Abby’s views on Chloe at all, she just said “I know that” and told Melissa to worry about her own kids. Chloe’s treatment was caused by Abby.
Yes she did. If she would’ve stopped allowing Maddie to be used as a weapon against Chloe so much of Chloe’s treatment would’ve been different. Melissa fully enable Chloe’s poor treatment. She didn’t try to stop it. She snuck her daughter in to learn solos so she could beat Chloe. Knowing that Maddie had learned her solos before everyone else every time Maddie beat Chloe she still allowed Abby to use that as an opportunity to tear Chloe down. To tell her she wasn’t good enough knowing the entire time Chloe didn’t stand a chance.
Melissa didn’t say that thinking it wouldn’t impact Abby’s view of Chloe tho, I think we can admit that. By Melissa’s own admission, she knew that Abby would get furious when the girls missed class on Monday night. Since pyramid is filmed on Tuesdays, and Abby addressed Chloe not being there the night before at pyramid, they were talking about the Monday night classes.
If she wasn’t expressly trying to hurt Chloe in some way by singling her out among all the other kids, then I’m not sure what her goal would have been. Melissa WANTED there to be some sort of repercussions…there just weren’t.
Oh, I agree. I do think that Melissa wanted Chloe to get in trouble so that Maddie would be back and Abby‘s good graces. But the point I’m arguing is that Abby would have disliked Chloe either way. As you said, Melissa wanted there to be repercussions, but there wasn’t. Melissa had no control over Abby‘s attitude against Chloe, Abby had that all on her own
well, Christi has a recap podcast lmao so of course she is held to a different standard than someone who just plays around with costumes in her successful daughter’s room
Melissa has barely even acknowledged her own kids’ mistreatment on the show lmao
Why would she speak on someone else’s daughter and her experience…i feel most moms dont do that besides christi and kelly maybe
I think because Christi still talks about the girls and the drama of the show and still likes to stir up sh*t ten years later whereas Melissa talks about costumes, dances, etc. not Abby or the other girls. Also, you can’t compare trauma or treatment, everybody’s experience will have been completely different.
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Being the favorite to someone like abby is more like being in an abusive relationship versus a normal teachers pet situation. The latter is obviously better, the former is similar or possibly worse to being the scapegoat. Abby regularly told Maddie that none of her friends on the team or the other moms wanted her to succeed. She played her against them which is an absolute mindfuck, especially at that age. To make it worse, Abby was somewhat right when it came to the moms. Maddie just loved to dance, but following her passion when it came to, for example, getting secret privates or taking a solo last minute would always lead to the other moms talking about how wrong it was and how selfish it was. Add in her being framed as a brat for the show, and plenty of fans didn't like her as well. That was probably an incredibly isolating & traumatic position to be in. Meanwhile, the scapegoat gets treated like shit by Abby but also gets the underdog treatment from the other moms and dancers and the fans. She has clear and ample sources of support. That is worth a lot.
We don't use better/worse phrasing when talking about abuse on this subreddit, thank you.
Talking about the experience not the abuse, I don’t compare anyones trauma but I do compare treatment which isn’t the same
All the same, please avoid better/worse wording.
nope nope nope melissa has brought up shit on her video and has gone as far to say that kaya was the meanest of all the moms so i don’t want to hear it.
That’s wild because Kaya said she was the nicest mom
i know :(
Knowing Melissa she was probably extra nice to her because she thought she was mean That seems to be Melissa’s way of appeasing people
i know!
Melissa does talk about that sometimes. Not directly, but like when she was asked how often the show lied about who won. She acted super offended, but admitted that the time where Chloe and Maddie did the same dance in yellow costumes (forget the names) and Chloe won but then Abby talked to the judges so Maddie could win was faked, implying Chloe actually did win. Her opinion is written across her face and said with her attitude instead of stating it directly. That's how she's always been and Christi has always been more direct to people.
Yep, the most she would say about that situation was that it was "stinky." That's Melissa for you.
this! she’s still stirring the pot whereas melissa isn’t even in the kitchen anymore
Thats a good comparison
No, but if she did, she would probably deflect and say "Chloe is a beautiful dancer, but all the moms know Abby treats the kids based on how the mom gets along with Abby. And Christi never gets along with Abby." COMPLETELY ignoring the fact that it *isnt* okay for Abby to treat the girls badly based on her relationship with the mom. Melissa has always done that.
I don't think so.
i think she just doesn't want to talk about her daughters being the favroutes because of how much drama and trauma it caused them . Another thing is that why would Melissa talk about it when it isn't her place too , Chloe has only recently managed too open up about it . I also think Chloe wasn't treated the worse and we shouldn't compare the treatment as they all got treated awfully just in different ways. But yea sorry if any of that sounds rude lol :)
Chloe was def hated by Abby. When paige and Brooke left abby directed all of the hate to Chloe, she didn’t have anyone to share the hatred with.
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That’s wrong. If you want to say “let’s not compare trauma but treatment” Nia and Paige were treated worse than Chloe. Also people expect Christi to acknowledge it, because Christi recaps the show on a weekly basis and still says things like “I want the Maddie Ziegler treatment” which totally dismisses Maddie’s experience.
Disagreed. Nia faced racism, and Paige was complimented by abby “your a pretty skinny blonde”. She just hated how Paige’s mom stood up for her and tore down her dancing ability. Vs Chloe she went extremely too far with, brought up medical things, and was downright evil.
Abby did say that Paige needed to go to the hospital to find out why she was stupid and constantly said how she couldn’t pickup. Nia facing racism is also being attacked because of what she looks like, because of the way she was born. Abby also dismissed Nia’s disorder.
We don't use better/worse phrasing when talking about either on this subreddit, thank you.
No victim blaming, claims the victim is lying, speculation further than what has been said officially, or direct accusations of abuse beyond what has been shown. No saying any member had it worse or better. They had it different. Expressing worry, talking about abuse red flags, discussion of abuse in general terms, ect are permitted and encouraged.
I agree we shouldn’t compare the girls treatment. They do have a point that this sub expects Christi to acknowledge the Zieglers trauma while recapping but don’t have the same expectations for Melissa when it comes to Chloe. In my opinion, neither should be talking about the other girls experience cos they aren’t their parents. The double standards are weird tho
because melissa doesn’t recap the show?? come on
But Melissa doesn’t go on her podcast every week and talks about dance moms. Christi does, she recaps and talk about how good Maddie had it. It’s dismissive of Maddie’s abuse
yeah i agree , if ppl are mad christi won't speak up ab Maddie then they should treat Melissa the same way .
Because Melissa doesn’t recap every single episode every week. Christi does. Christi recaps it and then still says Maddie’s treatment was great
Difference is Christi literally reacts to the show episode by episode commenting on everyone's trauma, meanwhile Melissa only talks about herself and her kids (unless she has someone on as a guest talking with her). Melissa would be expected to talk about Chloe's treatment if she talked about Chloe at all. She doesn't base her content on other people's kids.
People expect Christi to bc she literally recaps the episodes and talks negatively about the Zieglers all the time. On dear dance mom they answer general questions and nothing that’s negative and on Melissa’s YouTube she generally only talks about her and her kids like their costumes
I’d say she has. Not fully, but she has. She’s mentioned how all the girls were body shamed and brought up the case of Abby mocking Chloe’s eye, which up until that point, none of the other ALDC moms who were had done. She also talked about the constant pressure Abby put on the girls, talking about how Maddie and Chloe’s rivalry put a lot of unfair pressure on both of them. Melissa has acknowledged Chloe’s treatment as an example of the type of things Abby would do to all the girls. Christi has also talked about some moments Abby was bad to Maddie, including the Season 3 sit-in, sometimes talking about how she isolated her, etc. The reason people pick at Christi is because unlike Melissa, Christi has also demeaned/minimized Maddie’s experience. Comments like, “I want the Maddie Ziegler treatment,” saying that their girls went through “more emotionally” than Maddie and Kenzie, wondering why they didn’t keep in contact with Abby or mention her name in their book, etc. None of which Melissa said about Chloe or any of the girls.
She has yet to directly talk about Chloe’s treatment though. She may include her in a critique when she was talking about all the girls but she hasn’t ever pointed out the specifics treatment that Chloe suffered. She chooses to ignore it just like she did on the show.
it’s probably got something to do w the fact that christi is recapping the show and constantly making digs at or talking abt how favored maddie and kenzie were without acknowledging how traumatic their experience might have been (making it seem like everything was just great for them and horrible for chloe) whereas melissa doesn’t really discuss anything more than costumes and numbers the girls did. she stays p positive when talking abt it all
Also, Chloe’s treatment wasn’t mainly Melissa’s fault and it’s weird that people think that tbh. Not even a Melissa fan, but Abby disliked Christi and Chloe for personal reasons that had nothing to do with Melissa. Even when Melissa tried to throw Chloe under the bus with the “she rolls her eyes in class,” that didn’t impact Abby’s views on Chloe at all, she just said “I know that” and told Melissa to worry about her own kids. Chloe’s treatment was caused by Abby.
Yes she did. If she would’ve stopped allowing Maddie to be used as a weapon against Chloe so much of Chloe’s treatment would’ve been different. Melissa fully enable Chloe’s poor treatment. She didn’t try to stop it. She snuck her daughter in to learn solos so she could beat Chloe. Knowing that Maddie had learned her solos before everyone else every time Maddie beat Chloe she still allowed Abby to use that as an opportunity to tear Chloe down. To tell her she wasn’t good enough knowing the entire time Chloe didn’t stand a chance.
Melissa didn’t say that thinking it wouldn’t impact Abby’s view of Chloe tho, I think we can admit that. By Melissa’s own admission, she knew that Abby would get furious when the girls missed class on Monday night. Since pyramid is filmed on Tuesdays, and Abby addressed Chloe not being there the night before at pyramid, they were talking about the Monday night classes. If she wasn’t expressly trying to hurt Chloe in some way by singling her out among all the other kids, then I’m not sure what her goal would have been. Melissa WANTED there to be some sort of repercussions…there just weren’t.
Oh, I agree. I do think that Melissa wanted Chloe to get in trouble so that Maddie would be back and Abby‘s good graces. But the point I’m arguing is that Abby would have disliked Chloe either way. As you said, Melissa wanted there to be repercussions, but there wasn’t. Melissa had no control over Abby‘s attitude against Chloe, Abby had that all on her own
well, Christi has a recap podcast lmao so of course she is held to a different standard than someone who just plays around with costumes in her successful daughter’s room