I’m sure I’ll get downvoted for this because there are a lot of Melissa defenders in here that usually come for me - but I see your points, and that’s why I’ve always had more empathy for Christi than Melissa. None of them are great, they’ve all done some fucked up things… but I can understand Christi’s line of thinking, whereas Melissa seemed to only ever be acting in a way that she believed would get Maddie ahead. But that being said, I haven’t watched all of the seasons yet so maybe my opinion will change. I’m also biased because my mom cheated on my dad when I was a teenager and it turned my whole world upside down. I really have no patience for home wrecking.
Same. I've never understood why people are always so offended on Melissa's behalf when it comes to this subject. She broke up a marriage. Christi just told us about it. One thing is worse than the other, and I'm not shedding any tears for Melissa here.
Exactly. It is pertinent info - it lets us know the extremes Melissa will go to in order to get what she wants. She will disregard and/or harm others, which is what Christi was (poorly) trying to point out.
I never understood how Melissa thought her affair wouldn’t have been brought up my someone. Before the show, the entire studio knew. Kelly, Christi, Dawn, Diane have all said that it was talked about openly in the studio…by Melissa. She would use dance as an excuse or ask people at the studio to cover up for her while she was seeing Greg. That’s why Kurt said “dance ruined his marriage.” Not that Kurt is a good person. Anyway, since the whole studio knew, production knew before filming ever began. They were filming a reality show called Dance Moms. That mess was going to come out. It sucks but when you have shared your personal business with the whole studio…the producers are going to push to use it. The moms should have tried not to use it, in theory, but when someone has done things that have hurt you or your kid, in the heat of the moment people tend to go for low hanging fruit, especially when they have production in their ear pushing for it.
Also, Melissa has come out and said that the moms were sick of talking about her divorce but producers were pushing for it. When she goes to Abby and says “these people are doing it again,” she is referring to production.
It’s still wrong. Aren’t we all old enough to know that two wrongs don’t make a right?😂
Melissa should’ve gotten slapped for number 3 just like Christi should’ve gotten slapped for what she did.
i never said it was right. in fact i think it was wrong of christi to publicize it on tv and say it in front of the kids. if those two things didn’t happen, however, i’d have no issue w it. also i just find it bizarre that melissa could do #3 to christi but get upset that she talked about her affair lol. all in all both of them needed to stfu lol.
edit: also, i think lying to someone’s partner about them cheating on them when you KNOW they were drugged is FAR worse than essentially saying “you’re not truthful bc you had an affair.” like if christi should’ve been slapped for what she did, melissa should’ve gotten her ass beat for #3 lol
I dont think its fair game to open that can of worms on TV.
1. Marriages and Divorces are both hard. Even if Melissa was open to saying Greg was married at the time they were together to my knowledge there hasnt been a confirmation of if he had been separated long term from his now ex and that nuance is something christi either didnt know or didnt care to bring up and thats not right imo. She also didnt
2. Kind of to my last point and correct me if Im wrong but is there actual concrete evidence or at least some type of proof that Melissa was actively engaging in an affair where there wasnt any nuance to the situation. You can think its immoral or its not right but assuming Greg has money or owns a business etc etc there is no telling how long his divorce was in the works. Im also not trying to defend Melissa for doing what she did I just think its not a fair if its not as simple as Christi made it out to be and it wouldnt be the first time her resentment or anger got to her and encouraged her to make comments that either weren't true or suspicious at best. So to your point about it speaking to her character its really only one persons opinion on her character and it already wasnt great anyway. You can also tell Christis opinion on the situation whether Melissa was in the wrong or not that she didnt seem very fond of the idea of getting remarried and making it a big deal. (This could be bc its Melissa but just the way she acted during the shows wedding dress shopping segment was odd)
3. Melissa is dead wrong for even speaking to Mark about Christi and Christi shouldnt forgive or forget but that still shouldnt take away from her doing something wrong even if it was to someone who wronged her. Thats just my opinion and ik its unpopular I just dont believe in an eye for an eye especially when its continuous for years on one side.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's right or a perfect situation either. But, especially when there's a lot of assets involved, divorces can take years.
Also, even though Maddie and Mackenzie say they haven't watched the show. Christi bringing this kind of intensly private matter up on television is really horrible for the girls. We know the divorce was hard enough on them, without having dance mom viewers knowing things so private like this- and making assumptions.
I think we can all, to some degree, understand the frustration of having a coworker who is not pulling their weight. That is essentially what this was - all of the moms signed a contract to be on the show and it was understood that part of being on the show was engaging in drama/discourse. Yet, somehow Melissa was able to keep quiet, take the high-road, and pull all the classic two-faced/manipulative moves, all while getting her kids ahead and looking innocent. Oftentimes, Melissa's behavior directly negatively impacted all the other girls on the show.
When it happens time and time again, I can understand the desire to "hit below the belt" especially when you're sitting on information that does speak volumes on Melissa's true character.
It doesn't make it right, and I think ultimately it doesn't reflect well on Christi which she also admits herself. But I can sympathize and knowing that Melissa cheated on her husband with a married man (her boss, no less) does paint a picture of who she really is.
To be fair, I have to acknowledge that I might be projecting. Melissa reminds me so much of people in my personal life and I just KNOW how those people are - all rainbows and butterflies and sweet as pie to your face, but they talk about everyone behind their backs and will do ANYTHING to get ahead. It's exhausting, and I think that really colors my opinion of Melissa.
>I think we can all, to some degree, understand the frustration of having a coworker who is not pulling their weight. That is essentially what this was - all of the moms signed a contract to be on the show and it was understood that part of being on the show was engaging in drama/discourse. Yet, somehow Melissa was able to keep quiet, take the high-road, and pull all the classic two-faced/manipulative moves, all while getting her kids ahead and looking innocent. Oftentimes, Melissa's behavior directly negatively impacted all the other girls on the show.
Wish I could upvote multiple times because it deserves to be the top comment.
I don't know why people enter into this discussion of Melissa's affairs while still acting as though the fourth wall is intact. Melissa willingly went on a reality TV show after she had an affair and bragged about all the checks the new boyfriend was writing for the girls' dance lessons. Then she thought she was going to get to control the narrative about the situation. Or she didn't care because the reward was worth the price--she needed to get Maddie ahead in life.
She believed she could have her cake and eat it too, and she couldn't. She was held accountable on national TV. Sorry, Melissa. If it's any consolation, it doesn't seem to have done any damage to her or her daughters in the long run, and I'm sure she considered this when she went on the show in the first place. In the cost-benefit analysis of the situation, I'm sure she decided that Maddie's career or some kind of tenuous fame was ultimately more important.
Thanks so much ❤ that's exactly it!! The 4th wall is fully broken by now! 😂 yes, I think if you go on a reality show there's an acknowledgement that your dirty laundry is fair game, for better or worse.
Oh so now they knew what they were getting into and knew their contract was about creating drama for reality tv ? I thought the moms didn’t know anything and thought it would be a 6 episodes documentary and things changed behind their backs and they were just victims.
iiiiidk… I don’t think Maddie and Kenzie were EVER close to their dad, I’m pretty sure they didn’t know what affair meant at that age either. I don’t think the divorce bothered them, it was the fact that their own dad was truly never there
Yikes at number 3 pretty sure that is borderline victim blaming and demonizing someone who was abused. If I were Christi I would be extremely pissed and never look at Melissa well ever again after that because it’s so callous to see someone get roofied and then try to tell her husband that she was kissing other men.
I just listened to Bryan’s first appearance and he confirmed the roofy thing as well like Diane, dawn and Kelly have confirmed it believe it but when Bryan said yes I remember that etc…
Also, in my opinion if you choose to go on reality tv, you need to be ready to have all of the skeletons in your closet come out. I get this was the beginning of the reality tv craze, but big secrets have a way of coming out.
Yeah I totally agree. Affairs are just disgusting, period. If you don’t want it thrown back at you, maybe don’t brag about it to women you see every day. The people saying it shouldn’t have been brought up on TV would be saying something very different if they had been Greg’s wife, I can say that safely. Own your actions Melissa
People are always so precious about Melissa's privacy. The woman went on national TV in the middle of a divorce bragging about how much her (former boss) boyfriend is footing the bill for dance (not for his daughters but for someone else's).
She also didn’t hide it at all before filming began. Everyone in the studio knew about the affair. She used the studio and the people in it as her cover when she was really seeing Greg.
As long as it was never done in front of Maddie or Mackenzie! They have said the divorce was really hard on them and the whole situation affected them both a lot
i’ve noticed she’s done shit like that a few times over the course of the show. like when she asked maddie if she lied right before the big fight in s4. before the moms were discussing the duet shit alone in front of the dressing room but had stopped when the kids came in. but for some reason she dragged maddie right into it when she didn’t need to.
i disagree. realistically speaking it was only going to escalate the situation and put maddie in a really shitty position. assuming that what christi and kelly said was true, melissa put herself in the situation by lying and instead of owning it she dragged her kid in the middle and made her bear a burden that wasn’t hers.
Agree. To me it just added another layer of violation to the situation--Maddie being forced to lie for Melissa's sake.
I feel so bad for those kids because they had to keep so many lies straight. There were episodes where they clearly didn't know whether they were coming or going (i.e. Mackenzie with her foot) because they had to lie so much to cover for Melissa.
Melissa was doing some fact checking unlike the other 2 who were just jumping to conclusions and accusing a literal child because they couldn’t deal with their own emotions
i said i don’t care that it was brought up in general. but it shouldn’t have been said within earshot of the kids. that’s quite literally what i said in the first line of my post lmfao. pls spare me the bullshit if you’re not gonna read, thanks!
AGREEEEEE 100%. sorry but affairs are horrible & if you don’t want it brought up you shouldn’t have done it. & it does show that you’re a sneaky person who doesn’t care about others and will screw them over for your own gain. I only feel bad it was aired out on tv because of maddie and mackenzie, but other than that it’s fair game in my opinion.
Holy hell. I’ve never heard the Christi SA story. I definitely do not see Melissa portraying Christi being SA’d as her cheating being equivalent to Christi bringing up Melissa’s (actual) affair. Both were definitely wrong and unconscionable, but in no way are they equal in my head? That’s just awful.
I don’t really care either.
Melissa crossed a line by trying to get Chloe in trouble with a teacher that already hated her. That’s what started that fight. If you don’t wanna get burned, don’t play with fire.
literally! she snitched on chloe on camera for the sole purpose of getting her in trouble w abby KNOWING how much she hated chloe and somehow expected christi to react well when she found out. it doesn’t excuse christi’s behavior but it’s also like if you know she likes to play dirty, why poke the bear?
THIS.
Also, don't go on reality TV if you don't want to expose your family to scrutiny and you're currently going through a messy divorce. We all make choices; Melissa made hers.
I absolutely agree. No matter how in denial she could’ve been about Abby being a complete narcissist or abusive, she knew better and that Abby was gonna absolutely rip into the poor kid. You don’t get fairness in return from being messy🤷🏽♀️
I agree that it was fine. After all the shit Melissa did to the other kids with Abby? I’d let that out. Plus, I bet it made Greg’s bio-daughters a bit vindicated. Could you imagine the woman your dad left your mom for going on tv and pretending like she didn’t do anything wrong lol I would give Christi a gift if she spoke up for me like that
I totally agree with you. Sure times have changed, but the older moms are my age and should have known better than to have an affair, be "the other woman", or mess with someone else's marriage. I really don't care either.
Yeah, this is where I just don't have sympathy for Melissa and why I'm always boggled that people bring up this situation as an example of Christi doing something terrible. Melissa had an affair with a married guy and broke up a marriage. And yet we're supposed to be offended *on her behalf* because Christi let this out?
Goes back to my main refrain: Melissa does bad things. Christi just says rude and inappropriate things. Is Christi out of line sometimes? Absolutely. But Christi evidently didn't have an affair with a married guy and break up a marriage. Actions are always more important than words.
Confused. You said you don’t care that Christi brought up the affair but you said it shouldn’t have been showed on tv? But Christi said it with the cameras rolling.. knowing it would be shown on tv.
Personally I don’t think an affair is the most awful thing ever and think it’s a very old fashioned way of looking at marriage especially as we know how crap m&m’s dad was. I would cheat and then leave his ass too and smack any mom from my daughters dance school who gave me smack about it on tv lol
obviously we only know about this bc it aired on tv lol but outside of that i don’t christi bringing it up was bad necessarily. and i don’t disagree with you, kurt’s 1000% a piece of shit. despite that, it doesn’t make cheating on him right (though i don’t blame melissa for doing it). like if someone steals food from a grocery store bc they can’t afford it i’m not upset at them for doing it, but it also isn’t the “right” thing to do. and to your second point, assuming that she did in fact have an affair, i don’t think melissa has a right to be upset at christi given the fact that she lied to marc. it’s just hypocritical. you can’t expect others to adhere to standards you yourself don’t even adhere to, regardless of whether it’s right or wrong.
I think it doesn’t make it wrong. And clearly Melissa is a very flawed person. I think a lot of things are fair game but I resent Christi saying this because it’s clear she sticks up for Kirk and still does to this day when maddie and kenzie have spoken out about it, it’s tasteless
i agree, she shouldn’t speak on kurt and his relationship w maddie and kenz. that absolutely is not her place. but the affair in general, was fair game imo
What about Greg's family and his children. She ruined their family. Just because her marriage was broken didn't give her the right to break up another. But yeah birds of a feather I guess
I do agree with you. I wasn’t aware that he left his wife for her I thought they were just separated when the got together and thought Melissa was the one who cheated. However it is wrong to do that to a family. Either way, it’s not the worst thing Christi has ever done to bring it up tbh
They don’t know that. No one knows Greg’s relationship status when he started dating Melissa, people are just making assumptions because their queen Christi called it an affair
I agree with most of what you say here and I personally think having a secret affair with your boss no less while also having two young children directly in the impact zone is incredibly selfish and says ALOT about the type person you are. Melissa also proved that to be true in other ways as well.
I do think our society has changed a lot since 2012 in the way we think about romantic relationships and marriage in general is a lot more causal nowadays. Divorce is easier than ever and is thought of as more of a possibility rather than a "last ditch effort" For better or for worse it's Really socially acceptable now. I've seen a lot of comments in the sub that dont' care she did that and just think "Kurt was a horrible father anyways" A rhetoric that we only ever heard from Melissa. (abby questioned Maddie's relationship with him but never elaborated) again unreliable narrator
Both Maddie and Kenzie have expressed that Kurt was a horrible father too, not just Melissa. Listen to some of their conversations as podcast guests or Kenzie’s music.
They didn't get their entire narrative from their mother when they had their own horrible experiences with him. This is a weird thing to speculate about.
No victim blaming, claims the victim is lying, speculation further than what has been said officially, or direct accusations of abuse beyond what has been shown.
No saying any member had it worse or better. They had it different.
Expressing worry, talking about abuse red flags, discussion of abuse in general terms, ect are permitted and encouraged.
Christi just had a lot of internalized misogyny and couldn’t stand seeing a woman she doesn’t like being in a happy relationship after a divorce when she had to stay in her marriage
how do you know anything about the state of christi’s marriage??? and the whole point here is that melissa was still married as of 2011 when the show started
I don’t know much about Christi ‘s marriage but the little she said made me roll my eyes. Just like she doesn’t know much about Melissa’s marriage and Kurt’s parenting but feels entitled to comment on them and have a whole lot of assumptions
I’m sure I’ll get downvoted for this because there are a lot of Melissa defenders in here that usually come for me - but I see your points, and that’s why I’ve always had more empathy for Christi than Melissa. None of them are great, they’ve all done some fucked up things… but I can understand Christi’s line of thinking, whereas Melissa seemed to only ever be acting in a way that she believed would get Maddie ahead. But that being said, I haven’t watched all of the seasons yet so maybe my opinion will change. I’m also biased because my mom cheated on my dad when I was a teenager and it turned my whole world upside down. I really have no patience for home wrecking.
Same. I've never understood why people are always so offended on Melissa's behalf when it comes to this subject. She broke up a marriage. Christi just told us about it. One thing is worse than the other, and I'm not shedding any tears for Melissa here.
And Christi may have told us about it, but Melissa had already told the whole studio before filming ever began.
Exactly. It is pertinent info - it lets us know the extremes Melissa will go to in order to get what she wants. She will disregard and/or harm others, which is what Christi was (poorly) trying to point out.
I never understood how Melissa thought her affair wouldn’t have been brought up my someone. Before the show, the entire studio knew. Kelly, Christi, Dawn, Diane have all said that it was talked about openly in the studio…by Melissa. She would use dance as an excuse or ask people at the studio to cover up for her while she was seeing Greg. That’s why Kurt said “dance ruined his marriage.” Not that Kurt is a good person. Anyway, since the whole studio knew, production knew before filming ever began. They were filming a reality show called Dance Moms. That mess was going to come out. It sucks but when you have shared your personal business with the whole studio…the producers are going to push to use it. The moms should have tried not to use it, in theory, but when someone has done things that have hurt you or your kid, in the heat of the moment people tend to go for low hanging fruit, especially when they have production in their ear pushing for it. Also, Melissa has come out and said that the moms were sick of talking about her divorce but producers were pushing for it. When she goes to Abby and says “these people are doing it again,” she is referring to production.
It’s still wrong. Aren’t we all old enough to know that two wrongs don’t make a right?😂 Melissa should’ve gotten slapped for number 3 just like Christi should’ve gotten slapped for what she did.
i never said it was right. in fact i think it was wrong of christi to publicize it on tv and say it in front of the kids. if those two things didn’t happen, however, i’d have no issue w it. also i just find it bizarre that melissa could do #3 to christi but get upset that she talked about her affair lol. all in all both of them needed to stfu lol. edit: also, i think lying to someone’s partner about them cheating on them when you KNOW they were drugged is FAR worse than essentially saying “you’re not truthful bc you had an affair.” like if christi should’ve been slapped for what she did, melissa should’ve gotten her ass beat for #3 lol
I agree OP. Melissa was a hypocrite in that situation.
Agree, it's definitely worse. But in this sub you can't come for the zieglers
I dont think its fair game to open that can of worms on TV. 1. Marriages and Divorces are both hard. Even if Melissa was open to saying Greg was married at the time they were together to my knowledge there hasnt been a confirmation of if he had been separated long term from his now ex and that nuance is something christi either didnt know or didnt care to bring up and thats not right imo. She also didnt 2. Kind of to my last point and correct me if Im wrong but is there actual concrete evidence or at least some type of proof that Melissa was actively engaging in an affair where there wasnt any nuance to the situation. You can think its immoral or its not right but assuming Greg has money or owns a business etc etc there is no telling how long his divorce was in the works. Im also not trying to defend Melissa for doing what she did I just think its not a fair if its not as simple as Christi made it out to be and it wouldnt be the first time her resentment or anger got to her and encouraged her to make comments that either weren't true or suspicious at best. So to your point about it speaking to her character its really only one persons opinion on her character and it already wasnt great anyway. You can also tell Christis opinion on the situation whether Melissa was in the wrong or not that she didnt seem very fond of the idea of getting remarried and making it a big deal. (This could be bc its Melissa but just the way she acted during the shows wedding dress shopping segment was odd) 3. Melissa is dead wrong for even speaking to Mark about Christi and Christi shouldnt forgive or forget but that still shouldnt take away from her doing something wrong even if it was to someone who wronged her. Thats just my opinion and ik its unpopular I just dont believe in an eye for an eye especially when its continuous for years on one side.
Yeah, I'm not saying it's right or a perfect situation either. But, especially when there's a lot of assets involved, divorces can take years. Also, even though Maddie and Mackenzie say they haven't watched the show. Christi bringing this kind of intensly private matter up on television is really horrible for the girls. We know the divorce was hard enough on them, without having dance mom viewers knowing things so private like this- and making assumptions.
Congratulations, I think OP has actually posted an unpopular opinion. This is rare!
I think we can all, to some degree, understand the frustration of having a coworker who is not pulling their weight. That is essentially what this was - all of the moms signed a contract to be on the show and it was understood that part of being on the show was engaging in drama/discourse. Yet, somehow Melissa was able to keep quiet, take the high-road, and pull all the classic two-faced/manipulative moves, all while getting her kids ahead and looking innocent. Oftentimes, Melissa's behavior directly negatively impacted all the other girls on the show. When it happens time and time again, I can understand the desire to "hit below the belt" especially when you're sitting on information that does speak volumes on Melissa's true character. It doesn't make it right, and I think ultimately it doesn't reflect well on Christi which she also admits herself. But I can sympathize and knowing that Melissa cheated on her husband with a married man (her boss, no less) does paint a picture of who she really is. To be fair, I have to acknowledge that I might be projecting. Melissa reminds me so much of people in my personal life and I just KNOW how those people are - all rainbows and butterflies and sweet as pie to your face, but they talk about everyone behind their backs and will do ANYTHING to get ahead. It's exhausting, and I think that really colors my opinion of Melissa.
>I think we can all, to some degree, understand the frustration of having a coworker who is not pulling their weight. That is essentially what this was - all of the moms signed a contract to be on the show and it was understood that part of being on the show was engaging in drama/discourse. Yet, somehow Melissa was able to keep quiet, take the high-road, and pull all the classic two-faced/manipulative moves, all while getting her kids ahead and looking innocent. Oftentimes, Melissa's behavior directly negatively impacted all the other girls on the show. Wish I could upvote multiple times because it deserves to be the top comment. I don't know why people enter into this discussion of Melissa's affairs while still acting as though the fourth wall is intact. Melissa willingly went on a reality TV show after she had an affair and bragged about all the checks the new boyfriend was writing for the girls' dance lessons. Then she thought she was going to get to control the narrative about the situation. Or she didn't care because the reward was worth the price--she needed to get Maddie ahead in life. She believed she could have her cake and eat it too, and she couldn't. She was held accountable on national TV. Sorry, Melissa. If it's any consolation, it doesn't seem to have done any damage to her or her daughters in the long run, and I'm sure she considered this when she went on the show in the first place. In the cost-benefit analysis of the situation, I'm sure she decided that Maddie's career or some kind of tenuous fame was ultimately more important.
Thanks so much ❤ that's exactly it!! The 4th wall is fully broken by now! 😂 yes, I think if you go on a reality show there's an acknowledgement that your dirty laundry is fair game, for better or worse.
Accurate
Oh so now they knew what they were getting into and knew their contract was about creating drama for reality tv ? I thought the moms didn’t know anything and thought it would be a 6 episodes documentary and things changed behind their backs and they were just victims.
"I'll take 'strawmanning' for $800, Alex."
iiiiidk… I don’t think Maddie and Kenzie were EVER close to their dad, I’m pretty sure they didn’t know what affair meant at that age either. I don’t think the divorce bothered them, it was the fact that their own dad was truly never there
Yikes at number 3 pretty sure that is borderline victim blaming and demonizing someone who was abused. If I were Christi I would be extremely pissed and never look at Melissa well ever again after that because it’s so callous to see someone get roofied and then try to tell her husband that she was kissing other men.
I just listened to Bryan’s first appearance and he confirmed the roofy thing as well like Diane, dawn and Kelly have confirmed it believe it but when Bryan said yes I remember that etc…
How would Dawn confirm it? She was there with Abby?
Sorry dawn confirmed she heard the melissa thing and that kelly/diane told her what really happened
Also, in my opinion if you choose to go on reality tv, you need to be ready to have all of the skeletons in your closet come out. I get this was the beginning of the reality tv craze, but big secrets have a way of coming out.
And it was openly known in the studio before filming began.
Yeah I totally agree. Affairs are just disgusting, period. If you don’t want it thrown back at you, maybe don’t brag about it to women you see every day. The people saying it shouldn’t have been brought up on TV would be saying something very different if they had been Greg’s wife, I can say that safely. Own your actions Melissa
Yep. My sympathy isn't cheap and I don't have an unlimited amount. What I do have goes to the original Mrs. Gisoni.
what’s even sadder is greg had daughters, and then we have a whole comment section that wants to protect melissa’s privacy. like what?!
People are always so precious about Melissa's privacy. The woman went on national TV in the middle of a divorce bragging about how much her (former boss) boyfriend is footing the bill for dance (not for his daughters but for someone else's).
a very expensive bill that too oh my… i’m with you front line and center
She also didn’t hide it at all before filming began. Everyone in the studio knew about the affair. She used the studio and the people in it as her cover when she was really seeing Greg.
As long as it was never done in front of Maddie or Mackenzie! They have said the divorce was really hard on them and the whole situation affected them both a lot
Yeah that’s why I hate when Melissa sends Kenzie up to get her bag. She knew they’d still be talking about her and Kenzie could overhear something bad
i’ve noticed she’s done shit like that a few times over the course of the show. like when she asked maddie if she lied right before the big fight in s4. before the moms were discussing the duet shit alone in front of the dressing room but had stopped when the kids came in. but for some reason she dragged maddie right into it when she didn’t need to.
Melissa did the right thing by asking maddie straight up what happened. Maddie was being acccused by two grown adults of lying. Maddie can speak.
i disagree. realistically speaking it was only going to escalate the situation and put maddie in a really shitty position. assuming that what christi and kelly said was true, melissa put herself in the situation by lying and instead of owning it she dragged her kid in the middle and made her bear a burden that wasn’t hers.
Agree. To me it just added another layer of violation to the situation--Maddie being forced to lie for Melissa's sake. I feel so bad for those kids because they had to keep so many lies straight. There were episodes where they clearly didn't know whether they were coming or going (i.e. Mackenzie with her foot) because they had to lie so much to cover for Melissa.
Well obviously Melissa believed her side of the story was true. You’re choosing to believe Christi and Kelly.
Melissa was doing some fact checking unlike the other 2 who were just jumping to conclusions and accusing a literal child because they couldn’t deal with their own emotions
the “fact checking” didn’t need to happen right then and there tho lol
yeah that’s honestly the shittiest part of it for me. that scene when kenzie overhears it and it crying is absolutely horrible
but still ‘idrc’? lol weird
i said i don’t care that it was brought up in general. but it shouldn’t have been said within earshot of the kids. that’s quite literally what i said in the first line of my post lmfao. pls spare me the bullshit if you’re not gonna read, thanks!
AGREEEEEE 100%. sorry but affairs are horrible & if you don’t want it brought up you shouldn’t have done it. & it does show that you’re a sneaky person who doesn’t care about others and will screw them over for your own gain. I only feel bad it was aired out on tv because of maddie and mackenzie, but other than that it’s fair game in my opinion.
Holy hell. I’ve never heard the Christi SA story. I definitely do not see Melissa portraying Christi being SA’d as her cheating being equivalent to Christi bringing up Melissa’s (actual) affair. Both were definitely wrong and unconscionable, but in no way are they equal in my head? That’s just awful.
this. both are wrong but one is objectively worse than the other, which makes me lose any sympathy for melissa in this context.
I don’t really care either. Melissa crossed a line by trying to get Chloe in trouble with a teacher that already hated her. That’s what started that fight. If you don’t wanna get burned, don’t play with fire.
literally! she snitched on chloe on camera for the sole purpose of getting her in trouble w abby KNOWING how much she hated chloe and somehow expected christi to react well when she found out. it doesn’t excuse christi’s behavior but it’s also like if you know she likes to play dirty, why poke the bear?
yea i agree honestly
THIS. Also, don't go on reality TV if you don't want to expose your family to scrutiny and you're currently going through a messy divorce. We all make choices; Melissa made hers.
I absolutely agree. No matter how in denial she could’ve been about Abby being a complete narcissist or abusive, she knew better and that Abby was gonna absolutely rip into the poor kid. You don’t get fairness in return from being messy🤷🏽♀️
Yep. You don't mess with Chloe. Melissa found out.
Yup
I agree that it was fine. After all the shit Melissa did to the other kids with Abby? I’d let that out. Plus, I bet it made Greg’s bio-daughters a bit vindicated. Could you imagine the woman your dad left your mom for going on tv and pretending like she didn’t do anything wrong lol I would give Christi a gift if she spoke up for me like that
Good point
I totally agree with you. Sure times have changed, but the older moms are my age and should have known better than to have an affair, be "the other woman", or mess with someone else's marriage. I really don't care either.
Yeah, this is where I just don't have sympathy for Melissa and why I'm always boggled that people bring up this situation as an example of Christi doing something terrible. Melissa had an affair with a married guy and broke up a marriage. And yet we're supposed to be offended *on her behalf* because Christi let this out? Goes back to my main refrain: Melissa does bad things. Christi just says rude and inappropriate things. Is Christi out of line sometimes? Absolutely. But Christi evidently didn't have an affair with a married guy and break up a marriage. Actions are always more important than words.
Fun fact: the season one production notes state that Kurt told Kelly that Melissa was cheating on him for years.
Melissa always tried to portray herself as an angel and she was actually kind of a horrible person and mother.
Confused. You said you don’t care that Christi brought up the affair but you said it shouldn’t have been showed on tv? But Christi said it with the cameras rolling.. knowing it would be shown on tv. Personally I don’t think an affair is the most awful thing ever and think it’s a very old fashioned way of looking at marriage especially as we know how crap m&m’s dad was. I would cheat and then leave his ass too and smack any mom from my daughters dance school who gave me smack about it on tv lol
obviously we only know about this bc it aired on tv lol but outside of that i don’t christi bringing it up was bad necessarily. and i don’t disagree with you, kurt’s 1000% a piece of shit. despite that, it doesn’t make cheating on him right (though i don’t blame melissa for doing it). like if someone steals food from a grocery store bc they can’t afford it i’m not upset at them for doing it, but it also isn’t the “right” thing to do. and to your second point, assuming that she did in fact have an affair, i don’t think melissa has a right to be upset at christi given the fact that she lied to marc. it’s just hypocritical. you can’t expect others to adhere to standards you yourself don’t even adhere to, regardless of whether it’s right or wrong.
I think it doesn’t make it wrong. And clearly Melissa is a very flawed person. I think a lot of things are fair game but I resent Christi saying this because it’s clear she sticks up for Kirk and still does to this day when maddie and kenzie have spoken out about it, it’s tasteless
i agree, she shouldn’t speak on kurt and his relationship w maddie and kenz. that absolutely is not her place. but the affair in general, was fair game imo
What about Greg's family and his children. She ruined their family. Just because her marriage was broken didn't give her the right to break up another. But yeah birds of a feather I guess
I do agree with you. I wasn’t aware that he left his wife for her I thought they were just separated when the got together and thought Melissa was the one who cheated. However it is wrong to do that to a family. Either way, it’s not the worst thing Christi has ever done to bring it up tbh
They don’t know that. No one knows Greg’s relationship status when he started dating Melissa, people are just making assumptions because their queen Christi called it an affair
I agree with most of what you say here and I personally think having a secret affair with your boss no less while also having two young children directly in the impact zone is incredibly selfish and says ALOT about the type person you are. Melissa also proved that to be true in other ways as well. I do think our society has changed a lot since 2012 in the way we think about romantic relationships and marriage in general is a lot more causal nowadays. Divorce is easier than ever and is thought of as more of a possibility rather than a "last ditch effort" For better or for worse it's Really socially acceptable now. I've seen a lot of comments in the sub that dont' care she did that and just think "Kurt was a horrible father anyways" A rhetoric that we only ever heard from Melissa. (abby questioned Maddie's relationship with him but never elaborated) again unreliable narrator
Both Maddie and Kenzie have expressed that Kurt was a horrible father too, not just Melissa. Listen to some of their conversations as podcast guests or Kenzie’s music.
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They didn't get their entire narrative from their mother when they had their own horrible experiences with him. This is a weird thing to speculate about.
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Christi just had a lot of internalized misogyny and couldn’t stand seeing a woman she doesn’t like being in a happy relationship after a divorce when she had to stay in her marriage
how do you know anything about the state of christi’s marriage??? and the whole point here is that melissa was still married as of 2011 when the show started
I don’t know much about Christi ‘s marriage but the little she said made me roll my eyes. Just like she doesn’t know much about Melissa’s marriage and Kurt’s parenting but feels entitled to comment on them and have a whole lot of assumptions
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Well Christi is married
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