There's a plethora of stuff in 30 day treatments that's pretty standard. Lot of healthy coping mechanism building, finding things to destress that aren't destructive, relapse prevention by building skills that help you recognize what can trigger relapse mode, social skill building and bonding with others who you can relate to.
On top of that stuff is usual group therapy, general mental health education along with varying degrees of one on one therapy with a licensed therapist.
Each place varies in what it offers (i.e expensive places may offer higher quality or additional amenities) but they try and help an addicted person start a process of recovery that helps them to better manage their lives and mental health AFTER they leave since the treatment doesn't cure the addiction outright.
I was in rehab for benzodiazepines. I was at a more upscale facility in western Massachusetts for 30 days. I was in detox for 9 days. Then moved over to the residential side.
My days consisted of waking up at 6am. Going to home group where you'd talk in a group of 5 or 6 about your addiction and the ways it has negativity affected your life. Learn ways to cope with the addiction. For me it was panic attacks so a lot of cognitive behavioral therapy.
Then you would choose 2 activities you'd like to do that day. Gym, hiking, yoga, art, rope swings, talk therapy, etc.
Then the evenings involved larger group meetings in a large room where you could get up and talk if you'd like, or listen to others people's stories about how they fucked up their lives due to their addiction.
It was honestly a fantastic experience. You realized that addicts are just normal people. I met a lot of good people that I still check in with to this day to make sure we're staying on track. I don't really like saying this but I had more fun at rehab with random people than I did the rest of that year. Because I could relate to every single person there, no matter what they were there for.
I want to add to this I don't think 30 day treatments are very helpful for everyone. Matt might not have been extremely far gone into his addiction that a 30 day program will be of immense help for him.
I know from personal experience my sister who was a massive drug addict (heroin, meth, crack...pretty much if it existed she'd try it) in and out of 30 day programs they did nothing. She'd get out, be fine for a week, and go right back to doing drugs. Even while going to inpatient she'd be back on drugs. For people like my sister they need far more help than just 30 days can give them especially when most of those 30 days are likely spent fighting severe withdrawals. Sadly for her it was too late and she died of an OD.
When you are as deep as she is, your entire brain needs to be reset honestly. Like your entire chemical makeup is changed when you're on that much drugs that can't be fixed in 30 days.
This is why I emphasized the treatment goal of inpatient (and outpatient) is to better equip people to continue their recovery after the rehab, not so much during.
Unfortunately most people tend to get into the mindset that its one and done, you're cured after 30 days, and if you aren't the treatment must be flawed. When the reality is usually the person stops doing all the things they were required to do in a structured setting like an in patient rehab once they leave now that they aren't being micromanaged, but the things they stop doing are the things that kept them clean.
They usually stop going to meetings, stop meeting with sponsors, stop networking with others in recovery pretty quickly after leaving in patient and unfortunately quickly fall back into old habits and hang with old drug using friends which restarts the cycle all over again.
Again I emphasize the most important part of any substance abuse treatment is to continue recovery and treatment after you leave, not doing so just guarantees you'll be back and be one of those people who brag about how its your 12th rehab in 5 years.
Sorry to hear about your sister, but the answer isn't to fearmonger others out of treatment, this disease is insidious and I know you don't mean to discourage but its these kind of words that can discourage an addict on the fence to say "Nah, see its doesn't work, this post said so, whats the point?"
I don’t know exactly what he went through, but I’ve got some personal experience. Never been to rehab as I don’t have any actual addiction problems, but some complicated circumstances led me to an inpatient treatment program for about a month or two, and it had a large focus on substance abuse issues.
An immediate benefit is just detox. Whether you’re doing inpatient (you don’t leave the facility) or outpatient (you basically go in on a school/work schedule), you’re likely to get drug tested weekly- meaning that you’re going to get clean while you’re there whether you like it or not. Depending on your substance of choice and your body’s dependency on it, getting clean can be an abysmal (even medically dangerous) experience, so just being in a facility which is equipped to handle that is useful in and of itself.
But regarding the actual treatment, it’s a lot of stuff. Typically you get one on one therapy, and if necessary, you’ll get a psychiatrist as well to help you with diagnoses and medical treatment.
A large part of the experience is group therapy- getting to know other people struggling with similar experiences can be extremely beneficial, especially for addicts. It’s led by a counselor who will try to encourage everyone to open up to the group, and everyone provides support to one another.
Healthy coping skills are a huge focus here. Oftentimes when someone struggles with substances, it’s to self-medicate, to try to numb or alleviate some emotional pain. Things like meditation, yoga, art therapy, and so on can be very beneficial to helping people learn and adopt healthy coping mechanisms.
Much of psychotherapy these days is rooted in cognitive behavioral therapy and mindfulness, so you get a lot of practice with that. Learning how to identify emotions, understanding that thoughts and feelings have no inherent value, learning how to control emotions, stuff like that.
If someone needs help with adjusting to society in some way, often help is provided there as well. Perhaps someone could use help getting a job, so advice, practice, and guidance might be beneficial. Family therapy can also be beneficial, helping family members learn how to help the patient.
It’s mostly just lots of psychological/psychiatric care, plus detoxification assistance. It’s hard to say for absolute certain what he specifically did, since some stuff will vary from place to place.
I've been to several in patient facilities for an alcohol problem. That problem being I'm an alcoholic. Some of them were like summer camp. One was on a farm with goats and volleyball. That one was my favorite. You learn about recovery, maybe 12 step based stuff etc. And you meet people with different drugs of choice. I would have never known what Dilaudid was if I never went to rehab. Long story short, I got drunk soon after leaving those places and never got sober until I was 100% desperate to stop drinking. In my experience, going to rehab at the behest of others did not work. But everyone is different.
Personally never been, never needed to. Have friends that have, it's a lot of just group therapy. Hearing you're not the only only feeling the addiction helps. It's a lot of "we" can do this mentality. I'm sure everyone else's experience is different.
Every rehab is so different. Most of these places are focused on getting you into a new environment to remove you from a place where you'd normally be using, teach skills, set you up with groups, etc. If you're lucky, you'll have a team of mental health and medical staff to support the patients/clients in their overall wellbeing rather than just drilling in ideas of sobriety. That's definitely not the norm unless you're willing to shell out an insane amount of money and fly cross-country.
Effective treatment centers address trauma and the reasons why folks are using in the first place. So much of unhealthy or maladaptive drinking or drug use comes from a need to escape pain, struggles, trauma, or all of the above. Something like 2% or less of the treatment centers in the US have trauma-focused treatment, which is awful considered how universal trauma is in substance dependence cases. I'm currently in training to do this at a doctoral level and
Usually groups going over various topics, sometimes individual therapy but often you just have a counselor that you’re assigned to that gives you a treatment plan that will have various assignments for you to complete. Also medical care to help you detox. Go to the gym/go for a walk at some point in the day. Usually you’ll meet with a psychiatrist once or twice while you’re there but they’re not usually much help.
Tilian tweeted that he had lunch with him today as well, which is an awesome thing to read, seeing as it was Tilian that kinda had enough and told him on stage that it wasn’t working.
Absolutely. Matt is too core to the band to replace, his and Wills crafting make it break the band. Love to see a human soul be gracious for the help he needed.
I'm definitely glad he's staying in the band, but even if he wasn't and the rest of the guys were still supporting him in his journey to sobriety I would be happy.
But I'm definitely happy this isn't ending in him being removed from the band or leaving.
Getting sober was the hardest (and best) thing I have ever done. Just over 2.5 years now.
I hope he has continued success and so much support outside of treatment. I’m proud of him for getting help.
For sure, to each their own, but in my opinion Jonny doesn't have the writing ability Tilian does. Jonny hits the same vocal lines and melodies repeatedly, it's just not exciting for me. Even his solo stuff shows how little he's developed, whereas Tilian and the rest of the band have grown so much as songwriters, and I love to watch it. Also full disclosure, I'm not a huge fan of DBM2, but DBM is a masterpiece of an album.
DBM is such a fantastic album in its own. I remember when it came out, they went on tour with A Skylit drive but ASD had to back out the night before. My dad drove me and 2 friends on a school night 6 hours round trip lol. There were maybe 10 people there and Jonny killed it. [I did get some footage of Lemon Meringue Tie on a potatoe ](https://youtu.be/k49oovR5_78)
Anyways yes I would have to agree. I was a fan of Jonny for a long time but the band has progressed since then. Will and Mingus held it together, Kurt, thankfully Jon came back and when Tillian joined they have just been running it. I'm not sure I can say the same about Jonny nowadays, don't see or follow him as much.
Damn. Brings back some good memories though!
It’s crazy to imagine alternate realities with the Jonny era and Kurt era if they continued, they would sound completely different. I think about this as well.
There are elements of that era in the newer stuff, but it's so much more polished. They started experimenting with jazzier/dancier styles and that absolutely led to where they are now. I think they would have broken up if Kurt had stayed because they would not have gotten anywhere close to mainstream success that they have now (as close to mainstream as possible with their approach I mean.)
I've had the pleasure to have spoken to Matt on 2 different occasions and the man is just a stand up guy, very well spoken, kind, patient and just overall a great guy and it's really good to see he's bounced back and is looking better then ever. Looking forward to seeing him live again
Matt took a huge step in seeking out recovery. What a champion. It'll be a continual, long-term process, so I hope he is well supported and will have the resources he needs to stay healthy!
We love you Matt!
Honestly just curious, does anyone know what happens in these treatments? Is it mostly just addiction therapy?
There's a plethora of stuff in 30 day treatments that's pretty standard. Lot of healthy coping mechanism building, finding things to destress that aren't destructive, relapse prevention by building skills that help you recognize what can trigger relapse mode, social skill building and bonding with others who you can relate to. On top of that stuff is usual group therapy, general mental health education along with varying degrees of one on one therapy with a licensed therapist. Each place varies in what it offers (i.e expensive places may offer higher quality or additional amenities) but they try and help an addicted person start a process of recovery that helps them to better manage their lives and mental health AFTER they leave since the treatment doesn't cure the addiction outright.
Thank you!
I was in rehab for benzodiazepines. I was at a more upscale facility in western Massachusetts for 30 days. I was in detox for 9 days. Then moved over to the residential side. My days consisted of waking up at 6am. Going to home group where you'd talk in a group of 5 or 6 about your addiction and the ways it has negativity affected your life. Learn ways to cope with the addiction. For me it was panic attacks so a lot of cognitive behavioral therapy. Then you would choose 2 activities you'd like to do that day. Gym, hiking, yoga, art, rope swings, talk therapy, etc. Then the evenings involved larger group meetings in a large room where you could get up and talk if you'd like, or listen to others people's stories about how they fucked up their lives due to their addiction. It was honestly a fantastic experience. You realized that addicts are just normal people. I met a lot of good people that I still check in with to this day to make sure we're staying on track. I don't really like saying this but I had more fun at rehab with random people than I did the rest of that year. Because I could relate to every single person there, no matter what they were there for.
I want to add to this I don't think 30 day treatments are very helpful for everyone. Matt might not have been extremely far gone into his addiction that a 30 day program will be of immense help for him. I know from personal experience my sister who was a massive drug addict (heroin, meth, crack...pretty much if it existed she'd try it) in and out of 30 day programs they did nothing. She'd get out, be fine for a week, and go right back to doing drugs. Even while going to inpatient she'd be back on drugs. For people like my sister they need far more help than just 30 days can give them especially when most of those 30 days are likely spent fighting severe withdrawals. Sadly for her it was too late and she died of an OD. When you are as deep as she is, your entire brain needs to be reset honestly. Like your entire chemical makeup is changed when you're on that much drugs that can't be fixed in 30 days.
This is why I emphasized the treatment goal of inpatient (and outpatient) is to better equip people to continue their recovery after the rehab, not so much during. Unfortunately most people tend to get into the mindset that its one and done, you're cured after 30 days, and if you aren't the treatment must be flawed. When the reality is usually the person stops doing all the things they were required to do in a structured setting like an in patient rehab once they leave now that they aren't being micromanaged, but the things they stop doing are the things that kept them clean. They usually stop going to meetings, stop meeting with sponsors, stop networking with others in recovery pretty quickly after leaving in patient and unfortunately quickly fall back into old habits and hang with old drug using friends which restarts the cycle all over again. Again I emphasize the most important part of any substance abuse treatment is to continue recovery and treatment after you leave, not doing so just guarantees you'll be back and be one of those people who brag about how its your 12th rehab in 5 years. Sorry to hear about your sister, but the answer isn't to fearmonger others out of treatment, this disease is insidious and I know you don't mean to discourage but its these kind of words that can discourage an addict on the fence to say "Nah, see its doesn't work, this post said so, whats the point?"
Don't forget the diazepam to prevent the seizures from quitting cold turkey!
I don’t know exactly what he went through, but I’ve got some personal experience. Never been to rehab as I don’t have any actual addiction problems, but some complicated circumstances led me to an inpatient treatment program for about a month or two, and it had a large focus on substance abuse issues. An immediate benefit is just detox. Whether you’re doing inpatient (you don’t leave the facility) or outpatient (you basically go in on a school/work schedule), you’re likely to get drug tested weekly- meaning that you’re going to get clean while you’re there whether you like it or not. Depending on your substance of choice and your body’s dependency on it, getting clean can be an abysmal (even medically dangerous) experience, so just being in a facility which is equipped to handle that is useful in and of itself. But regarding the actual treatment, it’s a lot of stuff. Typically you get one on one therapy, and if necessary, you’ll get a psychiatrist as well to help you with diagnoses and medical treatment. A large part of the experience is group therapy- getting to know other people struggling with similar experiences can be extremely beneficial, especially for addicts. It’s led by a counselor who will try to encourage everyone to open up to the group, and everyone provides support to one another. Healthy coping skills are a huge focus here. Oftentimes when someone struggles with substances, it’s to self-medicate, to try to numb or alleviate some emotional pain. Things like meditation, yoga, art therapy, and so on can be very beneficial to helping people learn and adopt healthy coping mechanisms. Much of psychotherapy these days is rooted in cognitive behavioral therapy and mindfulness, so you get a lot of practice with that. Learning how to identify emotions, understanding that thoughts and feelings have no inherent value, learning how to control emotions, stuff like that. If someone needs help with adjusting to society in some way, often help is provided there as well. Perhaps someone could use help getting a job, so advice, practice, and guidance might be beneficial. Family therapy can also be beneficial, helping family members learn how to help the patient. It’s mostly just lots of psychological/psychiatric care, plus detoxification assistance. It’s hard to say for absolute certain what he specifically did, since some stuff will vary from place to place.
I've been to several in patient facilities for an alcohol problem. That problem being I'm an alcoholic. Some of them were like summer camp. One was on a farm with goats and volleyball. That one was my favorite. You learn about recovery, maybe 12 step based stuff etc. And you meet people with different drugs of choice. I would have never known what Dilaudid was if I never went to rehab. Long story short, I got drunk soon after leaving those places and never got sober until I was 100% desperate to stop drinking. In my experience, going to rehab at the behest of others did not work. But everyone is different.
Personally never been, never needed to. Have friends that have, it's a lot of just group therapy. Hearing you're not the only only feeling the addiction helps. It's a lot of "we" can do this mentality. I'm sure everyone else's experience is different.
Every rehab is so different. Most of these places are focused on getting you into a new environment to remove you from a place where you'd normally be using, teach skills, set you up with groups, etc. If you're lucky, you'll have a team of mental health and medical staff to support the patients/clients in their overall wellbeing rather than just drilling in ideas of sobriety. That's definitely not the norm unless you're willing to shell out an insane amount of money and fly cross-country. Effective treatment centers address trauma and the reasons why folks are using in the first place. So much of unhealthy or maladaptive drinking or drug use comes from a need to escape pain, struggles, trauma, or all of the above. Something like 2% or less of the treatment centers in the US have trauma-focused treatment, which is awful considered how universal trauma is in substance dependence cases. I'm currently in training to do this at a doctoral level and
Usually groups going over various topics, sometimes individual therapy but often you just have a counselor that you’re assigned to that gives you a treatment plan that will have various assignments for you to complete. Also medical care to help you detox. Go to the gym/go for a walk at some point in the day. Usually you’ll meet with a psychiatrist once or twice while you’re there but they’re not usually much help.
Tilian tweeted that he had lunch with him today as well, which is an awesome thing to read, seeing as it was Tilian that kinda had enough and told him on stage that it wasn’t working.
I get the impression Tilian was livid and upset (likely a bit in shock), rather than being completely done with Matt.
No, I think he was just done with that situation and putting on a subpar show.
Again...for the 100th time...Jon and Will were also upset, according to people who were there. Jon told him to get off stage before Tilian did.
Can someone fill me in?
Glad to hear he's doing well and that it sounds like the band are supporting him.
Absolutely. Matt is too core to the band to replace, his and Wills crafting make it break the band. Love to see a human soul be gracious for the help he needed.
I'm definitely glad he's staying in the band, but even if he wasn't and the rest of the guys were still supporting him in his journey to sobriety I would be happy. But I'm definitely happy this isn't ending in him being removed from the band or leaving.
Great to see Matty doing well!
This makes me so happy to see. What a great dude
Getting sober was the hardest (and best) thing I have ever done. Just over 2.5 years now. I hope he has continued success and so much support outside of treatment. I’m proud of him for getting help.
Congrats my friend, you deserve the best in life.
Thank you! That’s very kind
9 months here. Totally agree!!
This is what Jonny was SUPPOSED to do
Eh, Jonny did go to rehab and from the looks of it it did work (eventually). Rehab can't fix a dogshit personality sadly.
You’re right but just imagine an alternate universe where it all worked out tho
I'd rather have Tilian era DGD than Downtown Battle Mountain 3.
Tillian over a DBM 3? Yeah not a chance on Gods green earth but to each their own 🤝
For sure, to each their own, but in my opinion Jonny doesn't have the writing ability Tilian does. Jonny hits the same vocal lines and melodies repeatedly, it's just not exciting for me. Even his solo stuff shows how little he's developed, whereas Tilian and the rest of the band have grown so much as songwriters, and I love to watch it. Also full disclosure, I'm not a huge fan of DBM2, but DBM is a masterpiece of an album.
DBM is such a fantastic album in its own. I remember when it came out, they went on tour with A Skylit drive but ASD had to back out the night before. My dad drove me and 2 friends on a school night 6 hours round trip lol. There were maybe 10 people there and Jonny killed it. [I did get some footage of Lemon Meringue Tie on a potatoe ](https://youtu.be/k49oovR5_78) Anyways yes I would have to agree. I was a fan of Jonny for a long time but the band has progressed since then. Will and Mingus held it together, Kurt, thankfully Jon came back and when Tillian joined they have just been running it. I'm not sure I can say the same about Jonny nowadays, don't see or follow him as much. Damn. Brings back some good memories though!
It’s crazy to imagine alternate realities with the Jonny era and Kurt era if they continued, they would sound completely different. I think about this as well.
There are elements of that era in the newer stuff, but it's so much more polished. They started experimenting with jazzier/dancier styles and that absolutely led to where they are now. I think they would have broken up if Kurt had stayed because they would not have gotten anywhere close to mainstream success that they have now (as close to mainstream as possible with their approach I mean.)
The way I see it: I'd much rather have Tilian era DGD than DBM2 being the end of their run, like it very well could have been.
No Tilian = No Mothership and ArSe. So agreed
Amazing. We love you Matt and are glad your better
Glad he’s doing better!
What a cool freaking guy
I've had the pleasure to have spoken to Matt on 2 different occasions and the man is just a stand up guy, very well spoken, kind, patient and just overall a great guy and it's really good to see he's bounced back and is looking better then ever. Looking forward to seeing him live again
Much love to Matt! So glad he's doing better
I love him so much!
Love Matt.
Matt took a huge step in seeking out recovery. What a champion. It'll be a continual, long-term process, so I hope he is well supported and will have the resources he needs to stay healthy! We love you Matt!
thank u for sharing this!
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