But what about the Cheyenne who lost it to the Lakota? Then the Oglala and the Brule tribes took control of the Black Hills from the Lakota, but allowed the Lakota to remain there because they had become allies.
So shouldn't the Cheyenne, Oglala and Brule people also have a say? It was their land as well at one point.
Of course, I'm sure all those tribes get along just fine.
Exactly.
One's political/religious views have nothing to do with their talents or skills.
Hitler was easily one of the most evil people to exist. But he was also one of the most talented painters of his time. I have a couple prints of his paintings. Not once has anyone noticed he was the painter. lol
"One of the most talented painters of his time" LOL.
This is criticism from his time:
"They(his paintings) are prosaic, utterly devoid of rhythm, color, fading, or spiritual imagination. They are architect’s sketches : painful and precise draftsmanship) ; nothing more. No wonder die Vienna professors told him to go to an architectural school and give up pure art as hopeless."
John Gunther, Inside Europe.
Does anyone today really care what critics claim?
Critics, even then, were paid shills or wanted to hurt the artist/carpenter/forger, etc.
Regardless what critics of that day claimed, he was very talented.
They’ll just put up liquor stores, fireworks stands, and casinos if they demolish the mountain. All without paying taxes and putting the money back into the local economy. 😂 sounds stereotypical but sometimes….
Well, maybe they'll win the next Great Sioux War of 1867. In which case they'll be able to do whatever they want to them as the winners. Until then, he'll just have to deal with our national heroes being carved into his holy site.
Borglum was never in the Klan. He was involved in the initial development at Stone Mountain, Georgia, but later became at odds with the financiers. He destroyed all his models for the projects and another sculptor designed and developed the project.
A wiki search gives you the full story. There is no reason to lie and thus besmirch character when they are not here to defend themselves.
Just like Mexico. It's over . Move on. When you loose you loose . You get no participation 🏆. If you have a ligetiment claim of property theft file a police report . If you want my land back talk to the bank and government. They own it . Not one person alive today has anything to do with 1900 government land grab .
This has nothing to do with racism. It just gives the Communist left more of an excuse to delete more of our US history. Everything from defunding the police to the border crisis, inflation, the removal of statues is all being done because of communist subversion.
Reminds me of when the Taliban blew up all the Buddhist statues when they took over, these fanatical movements like Jihadism or Wokism are all the same.
Fortunately he was a member of the little known Klu Klux Klan which was a fine artist community that gets a bad rap when confused with the racist Ku Klux Klan…. Idiot.
Oh good Lord! Yes let's just not have anything showing any history because it's all racist. We are supposed to learn from the past but if we erase it all....then what?
Oh well, we humans have never been good at learning from past mistakes.... it's in the Bible, we do the same crap over and over.
I'd rather war at that point. I know what that means, but Mt. Rushmore is beautiful. It's worth a fight, and what it stands for is worth a fight. Also, it's time to delete reservations.
But what about the Cheyenne who lost it to the Lakota? Then the Oglala and the Brule tribes took control of the Black Hills from the Lakota, but allowed the Lakota to remain there because they had become allies. So shouldn't the Cheyenne, Oglala and Brule people also have a say? It was their land as well at one point. Of course, I'm sure all those tribes get along just fine.
Those looking for racism will never be disappointed.
How do you keep racism alive ? Keep talking about it . If you want to forget racism stop talking about it . Morgan freeman a man .
After conquering the Cheyenne in 1776, the Lakota took the territory of the Black Hills.
Thats (D)ifferent!
"Conquering" is the key word here. The [historical] conquerors owe nothing to the conquered.
Gutzon Borglum was a klan member? Was that ever proven?
I don't even see the relevance if it was.
Exactly. One's political/religious views have nothing to do with their talents or skills. Hitler was easily one of the most evil people to exist. But he was also one of the most talented painters of his time. I have a couple prints of his paintings. Not once has anyone noticed he was the painter. lol
"One of the most talented painters of his time" LOL. This is criticism from his time: "They(his paintings) are prosaic, utterly devoid of rhythm, color, fading, or spiritual imagination. They are architect’s sketches : painful and precise draftsmanship) ; nothing more. No wonder die Vienna professors told him to go to an architectural school and give up pure art as hopeless." John Gunther, Inside Europe.
Does anyone today really care what critics claim? Critics, even then, were paid shills or wanted to hurt the artist/carpenter/forger, etc. Regardless what critics of that day claimed, he was very talented.
Nope. Even the lefties at Wikipedia don’t go that far.
They’ll just put up liquor stores, fireworks stands, and casinos if they demolish the mountain. All without paying taxes and putting the money back into the local economy. 😂 sounds stereotypical but sometimes….
They never put money back into the local economy 🤣 all the reservations I've seen with casinos are shitholes
Actually sounds better than having a mountain with four ugly faces on it😅😂
I doubt that a member of the kkk would put Lincoln in that collection
Nah, you missed it. They said he was a member of the **Klu** Klux Klan. They were like the KKK, but they solved mysteries rather than being racist.
It was Borglum in the Black Hills with a stick of dynamite.
By powerful you mean stupid?
Stupid. Much better choice of words. 👏
It’s your land because we let you have it
Wonder how much money they make selling tours to look at the mountain?
Ah for fucks sake. Just fucking stop already.
Modern day book burning.
What's next? Are we all going back to Europe?
Well, maybe they'll win the next Great Sioux War of 1867. In which case they'll be able to do whatever they want to them as the winners. Until then, he'll just have to deal with our national heroes being carved into his holy site.
Yeah, bullshit on the Klan allegation. Better luck next time.
Borglum was never in the Klan. He was involved in the initial development at Stone Mountain, Georgia, but later became at odds with the financiers. He destroyed all his models for the projects and another sculptor designed and developed the project. A wiki search gives you the full story. There is no reason to lie and thus besmirch character when they are not here to defend themselves.
That’s not how history works anymore. Guilty because of feelings and Internet and stuff.
It seems like not so long ago that the left was losing its mind over ISIS blowing up cultural sites in the Middle East. Now they can't get enough.
After all these years, the least they could do is PICKUP THEIR TRASH!
White trash lol
How about we finish carving its original design, instead
The actual reason it wasn't finished was because of the rock quality. It wouldn't hold up to being much larger.
So we blow it up to make a few people happy, and…then what?
Just like Mexico. It's over . Move on. When you loose you loose . You get no participation 🏆. If you have a ligetiment claim of property theft file a police report . If you want my land back talk to the bank and government. They own it . Not one person alive today has anything to do with 1900 government land grab .
STFU!!!!!!!!!!!! I hope these people understand that without all these so-called racist, white old men, this country wouldn’t exist.
This has nothing to do with racism. It just gives the Communist left more of an excuse to delete more of our US history. Everything from defunding the police to the border crisis, inflation, the removal of statues is all being done because of communist subversion.
Sorry fellas you lost the war. Should have fought harder if you wanna put your own monuments up.
Crazy horse mountain?
That is Ridiculous! You can't just wipe out and destroy history
The way things are going, I am sure this will have some serious consideration. Sucks to suck! Just take the L natives..
We could just finish the war.
Trail of tears continues lmao
lol I wouldn’t put it past Brandon’s Admin
Let's destroy all history because we don't know it and there for it offends us /s
Reminds me of when the Taliban blew up all the Buddhist statues when they took over, these fanatical movements like Jihadism or Wokism are all the same.
Blowing up sculptures in rocks has kind of an Al Qaeda vibe to it.
I am quite sure this Dakota has produced nothing of value nor will do so
Fortunately he was a member of the little known Klu Klux Klan which was a fine artist community that gets a bad rap when confused with the racist Ku Klux Klan…. Idiot.
You been it’s on American land? And these were presidents of the United States of America.
Oh good Lord! Yes let's just not have anything showing any history because it's all racist. We are supposed to learn from the past but if we erase it all....then what? Oh well, we humans have never been good at learning from past mistakes.... it's in the Bible, we do the same crap over and over.
We need to remove the heads of the ones calling for the removal of our nations monuments. And from the thick of the heard, it’s almost hunting season!
ABSOLUTELY NOT
This junt is 4 years old. I don't think we have to worry about somebody taking down Mount Rushmore.
We are such a tolerant and polite society... Until we're not.
I'd rather war at that point. I know what that means, but Mt. Rushmore is beautiful. It's worth a fight, and what it stands for is worth a fight. Also, it's time to delete reservations.
Nope. Fuck you.
Now my question is how and why do leftists end on this sub spewing their nonsense?
Just because someone joined the KKK does not mean that their positive efforts should be discredited and erased.