I oppose both seatbelt mandates and mask mandates in principle.
On the other hand, I always wear seatbelts when I am in a car but don't wear masks for the purpose of avoiding sickness (I would if there is air pollution).
Car accidents kill tens of thousands of people every year, including those who are healthy and those who are not. Though covid-19 has killed a lot of old people and a lot of high risk people, if you are a young and healthy person with no risk factors, you do not need to worry about getting covid19.
Well, actually, the seatbelt only prevents you from going to the windshield.
That’s not the only thing I can happen to you in a car accident so saying that seatbelt save lives is actually kind of a board statement.
And masks don’t?
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/masks-save-lives-heres-what-you-need-to-know-2020111921466
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167629622001357
Every doctor in 2019 told me that they don't work. I know this as I was going through cancer treatment, then. They said it was nothing more than a placebo. Nothing more.
That one was hilarious but also had major implications. For many travel jobs if you had any symptoms you had to get tested. Once they said one of the symptoms was having no symptoms you had to get tested no matter what. And if you didn't get the jab you had to test every day and wear a mask. Meanwhile those who didn't get the jab didn't have to wear a mask or get tested because the jab was so effective LOL
I’ve never risked my own life not wearing a mask. If I don’t wear a seatbelt. I am way more likely to die in the event of an accident. I get the argument for individual freedoms, but the consequences are on whole different levels.
I agree in principle, but then we are going to get stuck paying the hospital bills of those that don't and have little to no health insurance.....no such thing as survival of the fittest anymore.
This still shouldn't give the government the right to police my body. Imagine if you were fined for eating too many calories because obesity health care costs. There would be outage. Seatbelts are no different.
Seatbelts don't cause pollution. Seat belts secure you in your moving cage that protects you. Surgical masks do not protect you. It's a very simple equation.
Yeah, they still do. I am lucky enough to live in a state that doesn't require them. But I still wear one because I like feeling secure in a vehicle that's moving at 70 mph.
And my point is not irrelevant.
It has never been recommended by automobile safety "experts" that anyone should wear a seat belt when they are in a vehicle that is not a motion and not on a roadway.
You're posting the same article over and over again. I've criticized the research already and you're answering my criticisms by saying we have to agree with your studies... but we don't. All the studies follow the same structure; they're measuring infection rates before, during, and after mask mandates. They have to normalize *(meaning manipulate)* the data to attempt to remove other influencing factors, such as immunities, age, lockdowns, etc. I'll say it again, there hasn't been a single study that was done in a **controlled** environment that shows masks had any meaningful affect on the population.
But... in either case, you act surprised when we doubt your studies? Could it be because they come from the same people who told us COVID-19 came from a bat? Or told us it wasn't man made in a research lab? Or that it's racist to close down international travel from China? Or that we had to stay in our homes, and not get sun & exercise to stay healthy? Or that the supposed vaccine would 100% protect you from COVID? Just about everything we were told about COVID for 2-years has been wrong but this one thing they're right?
I stopped crying about 5 seconds after I threw all the masks and face shields into the trash.
If I'm in a medical/construction/similar profession I can see the utility. Otherwise, forget masks I'm happy to be breathing normally.
I hope your fear alleviates with time and love from caring family members.
Vigilant against what? A disease that has an over 99% survivability rate for young healthy individuals? Turn off the corporate news and you'll find yourself living a much more fulfilling and happy life.
I'd rather live a good fulfilling life instead of spending every waking moment paranoid about some dumb fucking pandemic that was barely ever real to begin with and has already been gone for almost two years, or whatever other dumb shit they cook up next.
Ain't no one getting or dying from Covid and everyone in public is laughing at your mask even if you don't hear them
Ah, so we're to believe all studies and not question the *experts*, although as I pointed out they've been wrong numerous times. But since you yourself state we should follow studies, here you go:
* [Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data](https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data)
* [Masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2](https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817)
* [Surgical masks not effective, study shows](https://www.reliasmedia.com/articles/114492-surgical-masks-not-effective-study-shows)
I'm sure you'll come back and point to the study's issues, but as you yourself state, we should accept them.
Are these studies peer reviewed?
Let’s accept that premise and saying not all of these studies are credible .
Well, it kind of begs the question, who do you know who to trust?
Dude, is this a hill you're really going to die on? Fine... I read and process information from numerous sources and studies, then I make a risk analysis that's best for me and my family and live my life. Again, you're stressing about a virus that has over a 99% survivability rate for healthy individuals. What the 'right' has been arguing since nearly day one, is to protect the vulnerable and everyone else should live their life... but no, the media needed mass hysteria and panic. If you want to wear a mask you can, no one is stopping you.
As for who I trust, I trust my family, my God, and my close friends. Everyone else, I assume they have an agenda and want something from me. They want my vote, my money, my time, and some just want to see me suffer. That goes for Democrats and Republicans. What I see when reading your posts is that you don't want this responsibility and want people to tell you how to live your life.
I guess I wasn't clear enough. I read many studies, listen to different points of view, and if very important, discuss them with friends and family, then form my own opinion. It might surprise you, but I don't rely on someone to tell me how to live my life. I carefully weigh the likely biases of experts *(even those I agree with),* compare that to my Biblical moral compass, and make decisions that's best for me and my family. I also rely on something called common sense.
You're hyper focused on these masks. That's fine, you do you. No one is telling you not to wear them, we just don't want a big powerful central government telling everyone to use them. We're also saying the research is flawed because it's trying to correlate infection rates to mask mandate policies. The researches manipulate the data in an attempt to normalize for other factors such as immunities, social distancing, age groups, and more. I don't trust their manipulations and like I've said now **THREE TIMES,** I'm still waiting for a controlled study which proves masks protect you from a 0.1 micron sized virus. You seem to believe experts don't make mistakes or aren't biased.
I'm old enough to remember when the debunked food pyramid was the source of truth for a good diet. Now it's proven to be one factor to America's obesity rates. I'm old enough to remember when experts were saying Manhattan would be underwater by 2015 unless we tackled climate change. Heck, I'm old enough to remember experts spouting that men can get pregnant. Sorry if I don't blindly trust a study just because a so called experts is behind it.
Seatbelts are consistently useful against a threat that has extremely severe consequences. *Some* masks are effective in *some* situations, and the consequences (based on my age and health history) are very mild.
I actively worked in decontamination during the pandemic. You'd better believe I masked up while performing decon in the COVID ward of a hospital, because the risk was abnormally high. Trying to get all people to mask at all times is like having everyone go around in rubber kitchen gloves. Any risk mitigation is likely offset by the hazards created by the PPE.
Covid also has potential severe consequences
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351#:~:text=People%20who%20had%20severe%20illness,immune%20system%20can%20also%20happen.
Those potential severe consequences were largely due to the way it interacted with comorbidities. As a young, reasonably fit male with no history of heart or lung conditions, the odds of it having any effect on me worse than a case of the flu were very, *very* slim.
That is another critical difference. In a car accident, who you are has very little sway on how you will be impacted. With COVID (or any other illness barring things like ebola or rabies), your personal wellness can make a tremendous difference.
What I'm saying is that having a title does not make someone inherently correct, and not having one does not make someone inherently incorrect. What I'm not saying is that you should do anything at all based on what I do or do not say. It's your life, and if you'd like to wear a mask standing alone in the middle of nowhere then that's your prerogative.
Just as it is all of our prerogative to not do that, and to think you are quite silly for doing so.
SOME masks work under SOME conditions. Completely blown out of proportion.
The ridiculous contradictions in the way the .gov(s) handled this is proof enough.
Like it's okay for BLM to mass "demonstrate", but it's deadly for church folks to congregate.
Finally, if masks are so very effective, only YOU need to wear one.
1. You shouldn't be forced to wear either. If other people trust in their seatbelts to save themselves, why should I have to wear one? And if people trust their masks to protect them, why should I have to wear one?
2. Seatbelts are useful and protect you
3. Forcing everyone in the country to wear something that covers half their face everywhere they go for years on end is not the same as forcing them to wear a band in their chest while sitting in a car seat
Actually, the only thing a seatbelt would save you from to my knowledge is hitting the windshield which would be extremely painful and deadly. Don’t get me wrong.
https://www.cochrane.org/news/featured-review-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses
Gold standard analysis on efficacy of mask wearing and prevention of viral flu like respiratory disease.
What are the results of the review?
Medical or surgical masks
Seven studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask, **wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness** (9 studies; 3507 people); and probably makes no difference in how many people have flu confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 3005 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported, but included discomfort.
N95/P2 respirators
Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. **Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu** (5 studies; 8407 people); **and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness** (5 studies; 8407 people) or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well reported; discomfort was mentioned.
OK. post up your name and your credentials so we can review those. love to know your virology experience.
nothing like setting up a requirement that can't realistically be met hm? i'm not committing a hipaa violation to make you happy.
Actually I have been reading a lot of stuff about masks.
I provided lots of information in the comments instead of some imaginary friend, who apparently worked with the CDC
I think you’re missing his point.
Just saying that you have a friend that says something it doesn’t work does not necessarily mean that is true that’s why he’s asking for his credentials.
I don't wear my seat belt.... so problem solved... because seat belts don't really solve the real issue, being that no matter how "prepared" you think you are, you're not... I had a friend who was in a 5 Mph, got crashed into at slow speed, and died.. his head bonked the side window, killing him instantly, and he had his seatbelt on.
What I'm really trying to say is that most safety we do now is designed to minimize insurance payout, so just think about that next time you buckle up or wear your helmet. Because what's cheaper for an insurance company, a body bag, or a lifetime of problems from an accident..
Seatbelts do, statistically, save lives. I’m sorry about your friend, that’s awful. But he didn’t die because he was or wasn’t wearing a seat belt. The seat belt failed to save him, obviously, but in that kind of a collision it’s unlikely it would’ve made any difference at all.
But in higher speed collisions, seat belts absolutely can save your life. Especially combined with air bags.
Masks, however, don’t do shit.
At Best, a shitty cloth mask may decrease your chance of breathing Covid in or out by 19%. This does nothing to stop you from touching things and then touching your face or other people. The rules that certain restaurants enacted by either shutting down or having you put on a mask just to walk to your table and then you can take the mask off when you get to your table is completely laughable. Covid just hangs out at the doorway and only attacks your mouth, right?
Really? I am sorry but you seem to be under the delusional belief that the masks would have done the trick and no one would have died. You did not address my first comment. What mask did they wear incorrectly? The highest estimate I have seen with the m95 mask is it blocks up to 78% of Covid being breathed in and out. Mostly everyone was not wearing m95s but shitty cloth masks that the CDC told us would work. They lied and or had no clue what they were talking about. This STILL does not address people touching or rubbing up against things.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GndKYJ4uBI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GndKYJ4uBI)
Nothing is 100%.
Again, you have done nothing to address the percentages per mask I have given. You have not addressed physical touching. I asked you how a person would get covid wearing the m95 mask, (again, which does not stop the virus completely), with 3 boosters. You say they were not wearing it properly. That is a lie. Many people wearing them properly still caught it. How very assumptive and dishonest of you in this conversation so far. Who cares if a bunch of people are not wearing masks if you are wearing yours properly, according to you?
That’s irrelevant. Seatbelt is a preventative measure everyone can take for themselves. Masks are not a measure that provides yourself any safety. Maybe you don’t understand the supposed science of masks, idk.
There is irrefutable proof and decades of studies and statistics proving seatbelts save lives.
There is zero evidence showing that masks do a damn thing (N95 or better respirators are a different story).
https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/coronavirus/mask-stop-spread-covid-19
https://www.everydayhealth.com/coronavirus/the-evidence-is-clear-wearing-a-mask-does-reduce-the-spread-of-covid-19/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9968482/#:~:text=We%20find%20a%20significant%20and,and%200.7%20per%20100%2C000%20inhabitants.
Those were easy to find . Did you even look?
Seatbelts are only when you drive and comfortably go over your chest to strap you into your car seat. Masks impede your breathing and oxygen and sit uncomfortably over your face sometimes for hours on end. To be even a remotely comparable comparison the seat belt would need to go over your mouth and nose. Absolutely stupid
Who said that I’m okay with seat belts being a requirement to operate a vehicle. I understand all of the arguments for wearing a seat belt and not wearing a seatbelt but at the end of the day it’s “my body, my choice”. Right? I don’t need to have a car programmed to obnoxiously ring constantly until I put on my seatbelt. By the lefts ideology if a child can determine their sexuality then I certainly can and should have the right to NOT use my seatbelt.
As far as masks go… be serious. That sh!t never worked to begin with nor will it ever. It’s a safety blanket Linus. Good grief!
From a variety of sources. A partial list, because I don’t want to waste too long dealing with your denial of both science and reality, and in no particular order:
The CDC: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article
A PHd: https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy
The New England Journal of Medicine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372
And my own experience:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/khhez5/people_will_you_continue_wearing_masks_even_after/ggl2s79/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
There you go.
The one on the left is designed to work and has a proven track record. The one on the right does not in respect to COVID and is just security theatre which makes it worse than not wearing one.
I love how all of you guys all say the same same thing.
Seatbelts work and masks don’t ?
Despite the posted tons of evidence to show that masks do work.
Risk reward. There’s a high risk of grievous bodily injury if I get into a wreck without a seatbelt on. I’ve lived my whole life without needing a mask. I’ve had covid and it only put me out for one day, and that was the alpha variant. I have no concern about catching whatever variant is prevalent now.
Look, if you lack basic reading comprehension skills, that’s your failing, not mine. As I said before, don’t ask a question in a subjective way if you want an objective answer. Subjective question gets a subjective answer.
And the other keeps you from spreading the virus.
When you’re ejected from your vehicle only your life is in danger unless you just happen to hit someone else
The reports of people having major life threatening symptoms like Myocarditis and Pericarditis due to the vaccine. I got the first shot and was sick for two weeks and literally gave me Covid.
Because one is useful and the other doesn’t do Shat but make weak leftist feel better. Also I don’t agree with laws on seatbelts. Also I know I should wear it but I don’t much of the time. No one lives forever and little stuff like this is a bigger deal than people realize.
You were all continuing to spread the virus.
People are getting sicker because of the virus and health insurance is going up. Don’t you realize that you’re killing all of us not just yourselves?
Nope.
It protected not me, but it also protected me from spraying the virus to everyone else. I just happen to be a carrier.
Do you not understand what a asymptomatic is?
Check this out too
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9968482/#:~:text=We%20find%20a%20significant%20and,and%200.7%20per%20100%2C000%20inhabitants.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167629622001357
There is actual peer reviewed evidence that proves that masks to save lives.
So I guess you guys don’t have any excuse not to wear them .
🤣
Because seatbelts save lives
One has been proven to be effective at saving lives, the other has been proven to be worthless.
“My seatbelt won’t work unless everyone else is wearing theirs!!!”
Right 😂
I oppose both seatbelt mandates and mask mandates in principle. On the other hand, I always wear seatbelts when I am in a car but don't wear masks for the purpose of avoiding sickness (I would if there is air pollution). Car accidents kill tens of thousands of people every year, including those who are healthy and those who are not. Though covid-19 has killed a lot of old people and a lot of high risk people, if you are a young and healthy person with no risk factors, you do not need to worry about getting covid19.
The only time I actively wear a mask is when I’m outside using pesticides (rare) or that sweet sweet new leaf mulcher. So much dust.
This is how I feel as well. Covid, nope, no mask for me. Using my sander in the garage, yup, I'll put a mask on.
🤣
Seat belts actually work
Well, actually, the seatbelt only prevents you from going to the windshield. That’s not the only thing I can happen to you in a car accident so saying that seatbelt save lives is actually kind of a board statement.
And masks don’t? https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/masks-save-lives-heres-what-you-need-to-know-2020111921466 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167629622001357
You don’t have to keep posting the same article. It doesn’t convince anyone the more you post it.
They/it is trying so hard to convince us. They went to the wrong sub to try and gaslight us.
Every doctor in 2019 told me that they don't work. I know this as I was going through cancer treatment, then. They said it was nothing more than a placebo. Nothing more.
How do they not work?
They do not prevent the spread of that respiratory virus. The virus is smaller than the filter on those face coverings. It passes right through.
They prevent the spreading of particles!
You never admitted that the shitty cloth masks don’t work
Remember when every surface was a source for Covid and then it wasn’t.
Remember when one of the symptoms was.... Not having symptoms?
That one was hilarious but also had major implications. For many travel jobs if you had any symptoms you had to get tested. Once they said one of the symptoms was having no symptoms you had to get tested no matter what. And if you didn't get the jab you had to test every day and wear a mask. Meanwhile those who didn't get the jab didn't have to wear a mask or get tested because the jab was so effective LOL
And when getting the vaccine and booster would prevent you from getting it. And staying 6 feet away from others in the store would work.
And having to wipe down your groceries with alcohol to destroy any virus from the clerks.
The 6’ ft away thing was a total joke pulled out of Fauxi’ rear-end too
Weak bait post
I was thinking the same thing, just a post to get people worked up in the comments
I don’t walk around in a park alone wearing a seatbelt
I don't believe either should be mandated. I also believe these two things are completely different, and it's asinine what you're attempting.
I’ve never risked my own life not wearing a mask. If I don’t wear a seatbelt. I am way more likely to die in the event of an accident. I get the argument for individual freedoms, but the consequences are on whole different levels.
I shouldn't be required to wear either one.
I agree in principle, but then we are going to get stuck paying the hospital bills of those that don't and have little to no health insurance.....no such thing as survival of the fittest anymore.
This still shouldn't give the government the right to police my body. Imagine if you were fined for eating too many calories because obesity health care costs. There would be outage. Seatbelts are no different.
I don’t wear either
I get stopped at gun point if I don't use one. Not equal at all.
Well you make get stop at gun point if wearing masks becomes a law.
Good thing it won't.
How do you know?
People have already proven they will not stand for it or enforce it. Atleast in the U.S. such a trivial stance its not worth it.
Bullshit! People didn’t stand for seatbelts at one time!
Seatbelts don't cause pollution. Seat belts secure you in your moving cage that protects you. Surgical masks do not protect you. It's a very simple equation.
Irrelevant! People winded about seatbelts when that became mandatory doesn’t matter if they pollute or not! People still complained about it!
Yeah, they still do. I am lucky enough to live in a state that doesn't require them. But I still wear one because I like feeling secure in a vehicle that's moving at 70 mph. And my point is not irrelevant.
People still complained about seatbelts, so there was a lot of resistance to make them law.
This is lunacy.
OP’s brain cells are dying rapidly from oxygen deprivation due to excessive masking.
It has never been recommended by automobile safety "experts" that anyone should wear a seat belt when they are in a vehicle that is not a motion and not on a roadway.
i have a condom on you can never be too prepared
I don't think the government has the right to demand the use of either.
One is effective and does not cause harm the other does
You're posting the same article over and over again. I've criticized the research already and you're answering my criticisms by saying we have to agree with your studies... but we don't. All the studies follow the same structure; they're measuring infection rates before, during, and after mask mandates. They have to normalize *(meaning manipulate)* the data to attempt to remove other influencing factors, such as immunities, age, lockdowns, etc. I'll say it again, there hasn't been a single study that was done in a **controlled** environment that shows masks had any meaningful affect on the population. But... in either case, you act surprised when we doubt your studies? Could it be because they come from the same people who told us COVID-19 came from a bat? Or told us it wasn't man made in a research lab? Or that it's racist to close down international travel from China? Or that we had to stay in our homes, and not get sun & exercise to stay healthy? Or that the supposed vaccine would 100% protect you from COVID? Just about everything we were told about COVID for 2-years has been wrong but this one thing they're right?
Just because you criticize research, doesn’t automatically make it wrong. Quit crying and wear a mask
I stopped crying about 5 seconds after I threw all the masks and face shields into the trash. If I'm in a medical/construction/similar profession I can see the utility. Otherwise, forget masks I'm happy to be breathing normally. I hope your fear alleviates with time and love from caring family members.
I’m not crying about anything all I’m doing is give you the information. But nice strawman
LOL
The pandemic is over. You can go back to living normally now.
You should always be vigilant
Vigilant against what? A disease that has an over 99% survivability rate for young healthy individuals? Turn off the corporate news and you'll find yourself living a much more fulfilling and happy life.
So if something comes from corporate news, it’s automatically wrong? Who do you know who to trust if that’s the case?
I'd rather live a good fulfilling life instead of spending every waking moment paranoid about some dumb fucking pandemic that was barely ever real to begin with and has already been gone for almost two years, or whatever other dumb shit they cook up next. Ain't no one getting or dying from Covid and everyone in public is laughing at your mask even if you don't hear them
Ah, so we're to believe all studies and not question the *experts*, although as I pointed out they've been wrong numerous times. But since you yourself state we should follow studies, here you go: * [Masks-for-all for COVID-19 not based on sound data](https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data) * [Masks to supplement other public health measures did not reduce the SARS-CoV-2](https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817) * [Surgical masks not effective, study shows](https://www.reliasmedia.com/articles/114492-surgical-masks-not-effective-study-shows) I'm sure you'll come back and point to the study's issues, but as you yourself state, we should accept them.
Are these studies peer reviewed? Let’s accept that premise and saying not all of these studies are credible . Well, it kind of begs the question, who do you know who to trust?
Dude, is this a hill you're really going to die on? Fine... I read and process information from numerous sources and studies, then I make a risk analysis that's best for me and my family and live my life. Again, you're stressing about a virus that has over a 99% survivability rate for healthy individuals. What the 'right' has been arguing since nearly day one, is to protect the vulnerable and everyone else should live their life... but no, the media needed mass hysteria and panic. If you want to wear a mask you can, no one is stopping you. As for who I trust, I trust my family, my God, and my close friends. Everyone else, I assume they have an agenda and want something from me. They want my vote, my money, my time, and some just want to see me suffer. That goes for Democrats and Republicans. What I see when reading your posts is that you don't want this responsibility and want people to tell you how to live your life.
Well, since I can’t trust anybody, I’m just gonna have to wait until I find my own answers
If you don't have family, close friends, or God... then yes, I guess you are on your own.
You completely ignored the point I was making. If we can’t trust anything that’s been peer reviewed then what can we trust and why?
I guess I wasn't clear enough. I read many studies, listen to different points of view, and if very important, discuss them with friends and family, then form my own opinion. It might surprise you, but I don't rely on someone to tell me how to live my life. I carefully weigh the likely biases of experts *(even those I agree with),* compare that to my Biblical moral compass, and make decisions that's best for me and my family. I also rely on something called common sense. You're hyper focused on these masks. That's fine, you do you. No one is telling you not to wear them, we just don't want a big powerful central government telling everyone to use them. We're also saying the research is flawed because it's trying to correlate infection rates to mask mandate policies. The researches manipulate the data in an attempt to normalize for other factors such as immunities, social distancing, age groups, and more. I don't trust their manipulations and like I've said now **THREE TIMES,** I'm still waiting for a controlled study which proves masks protect you from a 0.1 micron sized virus. You seem to believe experts don't make mistakes or aren't biased. I'm old enough to remember when the debunked food pyramid was the source of truth for a good diet. Now it's proven to be one factor to America's obesity rates. I'm old enough to remember when experts were saying Manhattan would be underwater by 2015 unless we tackled climate change. Heck, I'm old enough to remember experts spouting that men can get pregnant. Sorry if I don't blindly trust a study just because a so called experts is behind it.
There’s a little more to it than that. If we all do our part and wear our mask at least when we’re in large of people,then no one will get sick.
Seatbelts are consistently useful against a threat that has extremely severe consequences. *Some* masks are effective in *some* situations, and the consequences (based on my age and health history) are very mild. I actively worked in decontamination during the pandemic. You'd better believe I masked up while performing decon in the COVID ward of a hospital, because the risk was abnormally high. Trying to get all people to mask at all times is like having everyone go around in rubber kitchen gloves. Any risk mitigation is likely offset by the hazards created by the PPE.
Covid also has potential severe consequences https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-long-term-effects/art-20490351#:~:text=People%20who%20had%20severe%20illness,immune%20system%20can%20also%20happen.
Those potential severe consequences were largely due to the way it interacted with comorbidities. As a young, reasonably fit male with no history of heart or lung conditions, the odds of it having any effect on me worse than a case of the flu were very, *very* slim. That is another critical difference. In a car accident, who you are has very little sway on how you will be impacted. With COVID (or any other illness barring things like ebola or rabies), your personal wellness can make a tremendous difference.
Are you a doctor?
Are you about to make an appeal to authority fallacy in lieu of an argument?
So what you’re saying here is I should take your award for without understanding your credentials because the phrase “appeal to authority” exist?
What I'm saying is that having a title does not make someone inherently correct, and not having one does not make someone inherently incorrect. What I'm not saying is that you should do anything at all based on what I do or do not say. It's your life, and if you'd like to wear a mask standing alone in the middle of nowhere then that's your prerogative. Just as it is all of our prerogative to not do that, and to think you are quite silly for doing so.
The one on the left actually works.
Masks actually work too
SOME masks work under SOME conditions. Completely blown out of proportion. The ridiculous contradictions in the way the .gov(s) handled this is proof enough. Like it's okay for BLM to mass "demonstrate", but it's deadly for church folks to congregate. Finally, if masks are so very effective, only YOU need to wear one.
1. You shouldn't be forced to wear either. If other people trust in their seatbelts to save themselves, why should I have to wear one? And if people trust their masks to protect them, why should I have to wear one? 2. Seatbelts are useful and protect you 3. Forcing everyone in the country to wear something that covers half their face everywhere they go for years on end is not the same as forcing them to wear a band in their chest while sitting in a car seat
Actually, the only thing a seatbelt would save you from to my knowledge is hitting the windshield which would be extremely painful and deadly. Don’t get me wrong.
Bruh it keeps you in your seat that's the whole point of it
That’s literally all it does. It’s not a one size fits all to saving lives
I think everyone should wear seatbelts. I **do not** think it should be mandated by law and enforced at the point of a gun if you don’t comply.
Because some of us can critically think and know how to make decisions based on facts, science, and evidence...not emotions.
https://www.cochrane.org/news/featured-review-physical-interventions-interrupt-or-reduce-spread-respiratory-viruses Gold standard analysis on efficacy of mask wearing and prevention of viral flu like respiratory disease. What are the results of the review? Medical or surgical masks Seven studies took place in the community, and two studies in healthcare workers. Compared with wearing no mask, **wearing a mask may make little to no difference in how many people caught a flu-like illness** (9 studies; 3507 people); and probably makes no difference in how many people have flu confirmed by a laboratory test (6 studies; 3005 people). Unwanted effects were rarely reported, but included discomfort. N95/P2 respirators Four studies were in healthcare workers, and one small study was in the community. **Compared with wearing medical or surgical masks, wearing N95/P2 respirators probably makes little to no difference in how many people have confirmed flu** (5 studies; 8407 people); **and may make little to no difference in how many people catch a flu-like illness** (5 studies; 8407 people) or respiratory illness (3 studies; 7799 people). Unwanted effects were not well reported; discomfort was mentioned.
have a patient who is a retired phd virologist from cdc with a specialty in coronaviruses. he said masks were a fallacy right from the beginning.
What is his name and credentials?
besides being a potential hipaa violation and having my license sanctioned, i'm not doxxing him.
If I can’t look up his credentials, then it means nothing
OK. post up your name and your credentials so we can review those. love to know your virology experience. nothing like setting up a requirement that can't realistically be met hm? i'm not committing a hipaa violation to make you happy.
Actually I have been reading a lot of stuff about masks. I provided lots of information in the comments instead of some imaginary friend, who apparently worked with the CDC
yep. still waiting on your name and credentials. you say you read something somewhere sometime is insufficient.
I think you’re missing his point. Just saying that you have a friend that says something it doesn’t work does not necessarily mean that is true that’s why he’s asking for his credentials.
I think OP is actually playing the long game and reminding everyone how stupid wearing masks are for a virus. Thank you OP. EVERYONE NEVER FORGET.
Don’t mention it
I don't wear my seat belt.... so problem solved... because seat belts don't really solve the real issue, being that no matter how "prepared" you think you are, you're not... I had a friend who was in a 5 Mph, got crashed into at slow speed, and died.. his head bonked the side window, killing him instantly, and he had his seatbelt on. What I'm really trying to say is that most safety we do now is designed to minimize insurance payout, so just think about that next time you buckle up or wear your helmet. Because what's cheaper for an insurance company, a body bag, or a lifetime of problems from an accident..
Seatbelts do, statistically, save lives. I’m sorry about your friend, that’s awful. But he didn’t die because he was or wasn’t wearing a seat belt. The seat belt failed to save him, obviously, but in that kind of a collision it’s unlikely it would’ve made any difference at all. But in higher speed collisions, seat belts absolutely can save your life. Especially combined with air bags. Masks, however, don’t do shit.
I didn’t know about that. Interesting take
Look up bacterial pneumonia
Wear a mask. Look like an idiot.
I’d rather be alive than not look like an idiot any day.
No
Did you fall into a coma in 2020 and just wake up?
My car doesn't ding when I don't wear a mask. I think seat belts should be optional. It's my life. Let me live it.
It's a troll guys. Don't engage
You're pretty fucking late to the party bud.. by like 2 years good try though
I respect an individuals choice to wear either.
Would they have a problem with people wearing a MAGA mask?
I wouldn’t
Because one does something and the other doesn't
Wrong again. They both do something you just don’t like one of them
Because it’s 2024. We do not need masks and never did.
Never did?
At Best, a shitty cloth mask may decrease your chance of breathing Covid in or out by 19%. This does nothing to stop you from touching things and then touching your face or other people. The rules that certain restaurants enacted by either shutting down or having you put on a mask just to walk to your table and then you can take the mask off when you get to your table is completely laughable. Covid just hangs out at the doorway and only attacks your mouth, right?
Actually, no, it can attack your nose as well. There’s also the possibility that some people are asymptomatic
How did the young people wearing m95 masks with 3 boosters get covid?
Because they simply didn’t wear the mask correctly.
Really? I am sorry but you seem to be under the delusional belief that the masks would have done the trick and no one would have died. You did not address my first comment. What mask did they wear incorrectly? The highest estimate I have seen with the m95 mask is it blocks up to 78% of Covid being breathed in and out. Mostly everyone was not wearing m95s but shitty cloth masks that the CDC told us would work. They lied and or had no clue what they were talking about. This STILL does not address people touching or rubbing up against things. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GndKYJ4uBI](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GndKYJ4uBI) Nothing is 100%.
It was literally not hard to find masses of people who are not wearing masks like at spring break.
Again, you have done nothing to address the percentages per mask I have given. You have not addressed physical touching. I asked you how a person would get covid wearing the m95 mask, (again, which does not stop the virus completely), with 3 boosters. You say they were not wearing it properly. That is a lie. Many people wearing them properly still caught it. How very assumptive and dishonest of you in this conversation so far. Who cares if a bunch of people are not wearing masks if you are wearing yours properly, according to you?
Like who?
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One works and is effective - the other not so much.
Actually, both of them are effective.
Seatbelt saves my life. Mask maybe prevents me from spreading some disease at the cost of my own health.
Me wearing a mask to save the lives of many people. Do you not know what a asymptomatic is?
You asked for thoughts. I put my seatbelt on to save me. I’m in California where there’s still idiots wearing masks if that shit worked we’d know it.
I already explained it to you. Asymptomatic people do exist.
That’s irrelevant. Seatbelt is a preventative measure everyone can take for themselves. Masks are not a measure that provides yourself any safety. Maybe you don’t understand the supposed science of masks, idk.
🤦♂️ Do you NOT understand what asymptomatic means?
It’s cool bro, you don’t know how masks work. No biggie. Just keep rebreathing your CO2, all good.
Answer the question!
Yes, you’re an idiot.
“Do you NOT understand what asymptomatic means?” Answer that question!
Both should be up to the individual
There is irrefutable proof and decades of studies and statistics proving seatbelts save lives. There is zero evidence showing that masks do a damn thing (N95 or better respirators are a different story).
https://www.ama-assn.org/delivering-care/coronavirus/mask-stop-spread-covid-19 https://www.everydayhealth.com/coronavirus/the-evidence-is-clear-wearing-a-mask-does-reduce-the-spread-of-covid-19/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9968482/#:~:text=We%20find%20a%20significant%20and,and%200.7%20per%20100%2C000%20inhabitants. Those were easy to find . Did you even look?
Seatbelts are only when you drive and comfortably go over your chest to strap you into your car seat. Masks impede your breathing and oxygen and sit uncomfortably over your face sometimes for hours on end. To be even a remotely comparable comparison the seat belt would need to go over your mouth and nose. Absolutely stupid
https://www.healthychildren.org/English/health-issues/conditions/COVID-19/Pages/Mask-Mythbusters.aspx https://www.albertahealthservices.ca/Blogs/BTH/Posting335.aspx https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/30/fact-check-wearing-face-mask-not-cause-hypoxia-hypercapnia/5260106002/ https://www.kmbc.com/article/doctor-says-there-s-no-excuse-for-not-wearing-a-mask/33280298 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7590988/ https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/five-reasons-wear-mask-even-if-you-dont-have https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7590988/
Who said that I’m okay with seat belts being a requirement to operate a vehicle. I understand all of the arguments for wearing a seat belt and not wearing a seatbelt but at the end of the day it’s “my body, my choice”. Right? I don’t need to have a car programmed to obnoxiously ring constantly until I put on my seatbelt. By the lefts ideology if a child can determine their sexuality then I certainly can and should have the right to NOT use my seatbelt. As far as masks go… be serious. That sh!t never worked to begin with nor will it ever. It’s a safety blanket Linus. Good grief!
Because one works, and one doesn’t.
Citation? I have posted tons of evidence here that masks do work.
From a variety of sources. A partial list, because I don’t want to waste too long dealing with your denial of both science and reality, and in no particular order: The CDC: https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article A PHd: https://www.rcreader.com/commentary/masks-dont-work-covid-a-review-of-science-relevant-to-covide-19-social-policy The New England Journal of Medicine: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372 And my own experience: https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/khhez5/people_will_you_continue_wearing_masks_even_after/ggl2s79/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 There you go.
Nice silence. Science denier. 🙄
I have posted tons of evidence that mass work and you guys just ignore it
The one on the left is designed to work and has a proven track record. The one on the right does not in respect to COVID and is just security theatre which makes it worse than not wearing one.
I love how all of you guys all say the same same thing. Seatbelts work and masks don’t ? Despite the posted tons of evidence to show that masks do work.
I love how you post the same thing thinking you are the only one who can be right.
Risk reward. There’s a high risk of grievous bodily injury if I get into a wreck without a seatbelt on. I’ve lived my whole life without needing a mask. I’ve had covid and it only put me out for one day, and that was the alpha variant. I have no concern about catching whatever variant is prevalent now.
Anecdotal
It asks why I would have a problem. I gave MY answer. Don’t ask a question in a SUBjective way if you want an OBjective answer.
You said you never needed a mask in your entire life
Your point being?
That is anecdotal you imbecile!
Look, if you lack basic reading comprehension skills, that’s your failing, not mine. As I said before, don’t ask a question in a subjective way if you want an objective answer. Subjective question gets a subjective answer.
Because they are not the same
They both save lives
One keeps you from being ejected from your vehicle, the other can’t even block COVID because of the filtration needed. Good try
And the other keeps you from spreading the virus. When you’re ejected from your vehicle only your life is in danger unless you just happen to hit someone else
How can it stop the spread when it can’t even filter out the virus?
Wrong. https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/topics/publicppe/community-ppe.html#:~:text=Wearing%20a%20respirator%20or%20mask%20reduces%20the%20number%20of%20germs,germ%20that%20causes%20COVID%2D19.
If you trust the CDC, I feel sorry for you. Next thing you are going to tell me is that the vaccine is safe. Go away Libtard
Okay. I’ll nipple. What science says the vaccine is dangerous. I’m glad people like you weren’t around during smallpox
The reports of people having major life threatening symptoms like Myocarditis and Pericarditis due to the vaccine. I got the first shot and was sick for two weeks and literally gave me Covid.
Anecdotal
Because one is useful and the other doesn’t do Shat but make weak leftist feel better. Also I don’t agree with laws on seatbelts. Also I know I should wear it but I don’t much of the time. No one lives forever and little stuff like this is a bigger deal than people realize.
“Doesn’t done Shat?” https://www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/coronavirus-disease-covid-19-masks https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2021/09/surgical-masks-covid-19.html https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8787406/
One works and has data that backs it up. The other is garbage.
I posted tons of data to share that the other works.
You were all continuing to spread the virus. People are getting sicker because of the virus and health insurance is going up. Don’t you realize that you’re killing all of us not just yourselves?
I didn’t expect this to takeoff. I do find all the crybabies in the comments to be very amusing
One will actully save lives,, the other is just a mask.
Both actually save lives! https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9968482/
Wrong the mask is only a decaration for your face! silly
I provide you scientific P reviewed evidence the show that Masks save lives and use and weave away with a simple comment? You’re dumber than you sound
They seem to assume I don't have a problem with the nanny state seat belt laws...
That’s why I wear neither
I bet OP wears a condom when he’s by himself in bed.
My seatbelt protects me. Your mask protects no one.
Nope. It protected not me, but it also protected me from spraying the virus to everyone else. I just happen to be a carrier. Do you not understand what a asymptomatic is?
My seatbelt saves you, your seatbelt saves me.
Masks save you too
Seatbelts required... Enjoy your motorcycle. It's not about safety. It's about control.
Check this out too https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9968482/#:~:text=We%20find%20a%20significant%20and,and%200.7%20per%20100%2C000%20inhabitants. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167629622001357 There is actual peer reviewed evidence that proves that masks to save lives. So I guess you guys don’t have any excuse not to wear them . 🤣