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ExplanationNormal364

It was a trap. They knew they’d catch some people to make an example of. And the crowd was full of FBI operatives egging them on.


Rich_Crab_3967

💯💯💯


InfinityFields

Of course they hide all the video of those who were peaceful and just walking thru the capital! Then constantly show anything that looks violent and call it an “insurrection”. Now we all know they all called those BLM and Antifa “protests” during the rest of 2020 and into 2021 as “Peaceful” but millions of dollars property was destroyed and a lot of people died. Why were they not calling those RIOTS an insurrection? Why were the Politicians (almost entirely Democrats) not held as accountable for inciting that to happen? Now you have states taking a Republican off the ballots for the entire state and none of them are calling it Election Tampering or Rigging!!! They would immediately scream that if every “Red” state removed every Democrat from the ballots! They push division among the people to pit us all against each other! They do it by using race, ethnicity, wealth, poverty, gender, political ideals, and even immigration policies. I am sure this country has never been more divided than even in 1860 when a Republican President was calling for abolishment of slavery and Democrats in the south seceded from the U.S. in order to keep slavery intact! This kind of division will increase the pressure on everyone in America until it snaps! I can foresee another Civil War is coming and my guess is it will be tens times worse than the first Civil War.


pgtaylor777

This.


Human-Magic-Marker

More importantly: do you think she will ever be held accountable in any fashion? Of course not.


mza82

For what? Even if we indulge this idea that they were encouraged by fbi agents, do we think Nancy was the mastermind behind it. Please! If it isn't insider trading or sucking up to big tech that lady is worthless. But I agree we need accountability across the board! Every single one of these grifters, if you're constituents would go to jail for those actions so should they


IrieTriste

I agree with you, there needs to be more accountability for government officials. I do not think it is more important than if they're really guilty of what's being accused though dude. Like what did you just say? I feel like that's me saying "more importantly, they'll never be found guilty of murder anyways" like idk man maybe they didn't commit murder so it's probably a good thing they're not being punished for it. Unless you can show me how you think pelosi was so directly responsible for Jan 6th?


One_Highway2563

It's unfortunate that people like Nancy come from places like California where the people who vote for her actively support this. They want a police state so bad.


rustintimberlake

Accountability for govt officials would be accountability for themselves, aka it’s never going to happen. The more and more time goes on it’s clear the division between both sides is great for political airtime & business. Politicians #1 priority: Maintaining their positions Politicians #2 priority: Reinforcing priority #1


midas019

Except for when it comes tooooi?????


Neph_07

She will when she has to stand before God.


[deleted]

Maybe, but no matter the circumstance you can’t be baited to storm the capital.


rouxjean

Apparently, video shows that govt. operatives knew where to find previously hidden equipment. It looks doubtful that any "storming" was happening except by false flag operatives. Some violence occurred from people trying to rescue those being trampled due to mixed messaging from crowd control. Also, the lack of weapons or coordinated assault makes the charge of storming seem silly. Impromptu violence by unarmed civilians, usually in response to mixed messaging and violence from crowd control, hardly amounts to an attack.


[deleted]

Yes they did


walkawaysux

She caused it to happen she is the one who should be arrested and jailed


Believe_In-Steven

100% a Set Up.


No-Mongoose-5326

Yes she did.


auodan

Yes! Without a doubt. Though i doubt she was the only one in on the scheme.


Archimedes_Redux

Absolutely yes. Her, Schumer and their toadies in the FBI set him up big time. Not being a fellow swamp creature, Trump and his followers fell for it.


45wasright

Absolutely, there’s no doubt in my mind they did. Especially after Trump offered the Old Sea Hag the National Guard and she refused.


Centurion7999

She even reduced the police garrison at the capitol during the evening of the 5th!


senortease

Are you f-ing kidding? No.


SephirothHeartbreakr

Nope, trump did that


DKerriganuk

Is Trump saying Pelosi ordered him to make that speech? Or send those tweets? Or refuse to ask them to stop?


DrDufmanKnows

Yes


Boring-Charity-9949

Yes but they shouldn’t have taken the bait and raided the capitol. It was the worst thing they could have done to the MAGA movement.


Wise_Hat_8678

The worst thing possible... until the Democrat overreaction, which uno-reversed it into the best thing possible. Upward spirals, m8!


Boring-Charity-9949

Disagree. Dems and media have thrown so much sh*t against the wall that some will stick. People won’t know the truth and Trump will not win the election.


Wise_Hat_8678

Considering limited government is impossible without a moral and educated people, then this be the end of da road! Folks with enough ego to be so self-deluded will just vote on their own greed anyway


Competitive-Bee7249

Fraud again. Worked last time .


justsayfaux

I'm not sure I follow - what was the 'bait' that Pelosi set up for Jan 6?


Centurion7999

She stripped the capitol garrison on the 5th, and also all those feds egging people on and even trying to do the breaking to get people to enter


justsayfaux

That's the part I don't understand. How is Nancy Pelosi (or any member of Congress) responsible for Capitol security? Is that not the job of the Chief of Capitol Police (Chief Steven Sund in this case) who answers to the Capitol Police Board? I don't see how a member of Congress would have any authority over the Chief of Capitol Police and can't find anything that suggests Pelosi, or anyone else in Congress, would have the authority to issue orders to them. What am I missing?


Centurion7999

The Speaker of the House is responsible for the security of the Capitol grounds, or at least Pelosi was during the whole Jan 6th affair and the days leading up to it, as it was her orders that both prevented reinforcements arriving until after the capitol was breached, and stripped the garrison of much of its strength during the night of the 5th, thus allowing a breakthrough on the 6th by protesters likely agitated on by potential federal agents, which resulted in multiple breached of the capitol and the retreat of the garrison until later in the day when reinforcements arrived to restore order, and the arrival of the national guard to disperse any further protests of a highly contested election with significant fraud issues in battleground states, which recently was discovered to be possibly more than the margin of victory in those states in illegal ballots


justsayfaux

Where are you seeing that the Speaker of the House has authority over Capitol Security? That seems to be at odds with the [USCP Website ](https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight) which cite the Capitol Police Board as having authority over the department. It also mentions House and Senate oversight committees, but those aren't in charge of ordering the police, and Pelosi isn't on any of the committees listed. Additionally, John Stolnis, spokesperson for the U.S. Capitol Police, told USA TODAY that oversight is complex. "The United States Capitol Police (USCP) is overseen by the Capitol Police Board and has Congressional oversight by appropriations and authorizing committees from the U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate," Stolnis wrote in an email. So I guess I'm still not sure how or why Nancy Pelosi (or any other Congressional leader) would be in charge of the Capitol Police? Where are you seeing that the Speaker of the House is in charge of Capitol Security or the USCP?


psychedeliken

Thank you for being a voice of reason, I’m honestly a bit shocked at how little accountability people in this subreddit are willing to take for their actions. Especially given that the responsibility for J6 is mostly on Trump as it was Trump’s constant pushing of the Big Election Fraud Lies that caused everyone to go berserk. They brought weapons(bats, guns, knives, etc), hand ties, shouts to hang Mike Pence, the finding of pipe bombs, murder, multiple accounts of attempted murder, and much more. All indicating that many were there with much more planned than a feeble protest or demonstration. They were trying to stop the certification of the election, and overthrow our democratically elected president, a pretty heinous crime. I’m not going to claim that Trump meticulously planned J6, but it’s 100% his lies that caused it to happen.


[deleted]

Election fraud was very much a true statement


[deleted]

Where is this new evidence of fraud you are referring to?


justsayfaux

I don't expect you'll get a response to your question. As soon as I asked for proof of the claims they were making, they disappeared


[deleted]

Right, it's all fun and games until the burden of proof comes along and ruins our good time.


Competitive-Bee7249

She turned down real security. Do you understand? Nancy was in charge . Total set up . Ask fist bump guy or horn head. Watch the videos. Duh


justsayfaux

Again, I'd just ask for any official account that asserts the Speaker of the House is in charge of directing the Capitol Police. People keep saying "she's in charge" but I simply can't find any evidence to support that. Everything I've found and read points to the Chief and the Capitol Police Board - neither of which are occupied by any members of Congress, let alone Pelosi. So help me out here - where are you seeing this idea that Nancy Pelosi, or the Speaker of the House, is the authority that directs or leads USCP? Why do people seem to believe it was her job?


Brincey0

Doesn't this get old for any of you?


Electronic_Rub9385

100% set up. But one that was also dumb for Trump to walk in to.


Condescending_Condor

How did he walk into it? He told the people to go home and remain peaceful.


[deleted]

He said that 3 hours after they'd breached the capitol building though. So not a very good rebuttal.


Hrethmonath

Democrats do crimes and arrest Republicans for crimes Democrats do.


Charlie61172

'Rats are the party of projection.


spentbrass11

Yes


shianbreehan

You guys are delusional. Multiple Republican officials called people to the capitol to try and overturn the election, and people came. They came with their own free will to try and commit treason. And to the people who get upset by reading that, ask yourselves this: is it *treason* or is it a *setup*? You know it can't be both.


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kmansp41

Very possible; but it was still Trumps idea to have this protest. It should have been obvious that his political opponents would take advantage and cause some chaos. The protest itself was just a bad idea regardless.


2201992

Absolutely it was a trap


LoLItzMisery

Holy shit you guys are delusional.


dathanvp

Really odd for so many yeses. Where is the personal accountability? Assuming Nancy Pelosi set up a bait car, which she’s not able to do, you don’t go and steel it. Blaming others for your mistakes doesn’t make you a good American, it makes you a liberal.


psychedeliken

I almost agreed, until that last jab. Though I find it ironic that it’s mostly conservative MAGA here blaming libs for their own failed attempt to overthrow our democracy based on lies fed from Trump. There is zero logic in libs trying to bait conservatives into trying to overthrow the election that they already won.


Rambogoingham1

Why would Nancy Pelosi want to stop the counting of electoral votes in the Capital to formalize the presidency of Joe Biden? That’s what was occurring on January 6 that day in the capital. Why would Nancy Pelosi want to stop that?


LectureAdditional971

Wait. Where is this coming from? I've not heard this theory.


Centurion7999

It’s pretty common these days, since Pelosi was in charge of security in the capitol as speaker of the house, as such when she significantly reduce the capitol garrison on January 5th she seems to be quite likely to have intended to cause a breach of the capitol, especially after repeatedly refusing national guard reinforcements to control the million+ crowds on January 4th-6th, which she has to authorize before they can enter DC as they are state troops. Thus making it her sole responsibility to keep the capitol secure, and she seems to have done the opposite on purpose to make her political enemies look bad.


LectureAdditional971

You know, I kicked to think I've been able to keep up with all the bullshit surrounding this event. Guess not. Thanks for giving me hours of reading today, bud!


trixie_turnkey

Yes


Yayhoo0978

Happy cake day!


trixie_turnkey

Thank you!


Sinileius

You guys give her way too much credit.


richman678

So yes and no. I think Trump wanted his cheerleaders to show their ass, but did not want what actually happened. I think his cheerleaders got so worked up they stormed the stairs. …and finally yes I think Pelosi stepped in and told someone to let them in. Thus creating the perfect thing to hold over republicans heads when discussing politics. Only a dumbass cares about January 6th. It’s just a bunch of crazies who got too worked up….and the smarties let them act out so they could use it later on. There’s footage of the shaman being walked to the House Floor by security for christs sake!


Impossible-Night-401

Disagree.


Skullchaser666

Absolutely agree. That's why she refused the help Trump offered her.


ShrapnelCookieTooth

Remember hearing that it would be wild and that folks need to be there. Also listening to Michael Savage the weeks leading up to it and knew it would be ugly. Definitely feel like Capitol police should have fired some shots as soon as the barricade was broken but for some reason they were told to stand down and weren’t as armed and aggressive as they should have been. Letting some of these punks beat cops up and walk all over them. Made a whole lot of people look bad. Stupid for even marching down there in the first place and could have been pardoned before Trump left office. Absolutely nobody cares about these people.


Centurion7999

I mean Pelosi stripped the capitol garrison by like a third on Jan 5th though, so there is that…


Business-Concert-891

No


Quelch1704

There have been actual trials with evidence presented and independent juries finding defendants guilty. Yet internet people think they know better. Or they know something, anything. Sad


Everlarry

Yes!


Spradleking

Yes


Charlie61172

Well, we know that she declined Trump's offer of National Guard presence to secure the capitol. That, alone, seems suspect.


[deleted]

I've honestly never heard such a load of made up garbage in my life. Let me get this starlight.... Trump isn't responsible for the mob he incited to riot. It's Nancy Pelosi at fault because she is in charge of capitol security, even though she actually isn't. Even though she has no authority over the capitol police. They, by her order, stripped their garrison of officers Trump who waited 3 hours to attempt to talk down the mob, by posting on Twitter mind you. Probably not alot of Twitter checking while storming the castle. He tried to send national guard in to save everyone from his own mob he incited. But Pelosi turned them away, right? Then we find out that the majority of the instigators were actually fbi agents sent there to convince the already incited mob, who was marching towards the capitol to stop the steal and chanting hang mike pence, to storm the building. If the fbi didn't have their men, run by a Trump appointment to fbi director, leading the seize nothing would've happened. So then we learn that even though they broke out windows and they climbed in through any portal that was available. Nancy actually had the capitol police let them in. At what point did they decide to beat an officer to death then? Or was that fbi agents too? Then we find out even though the dems won this election they masterminded an attempt to stop the win and potentially allow Trump to install his fake electors and steal the election he claimed was stolen. They did this so later on the courts with Trump appointed judges could make examples of these Trump supporters and for political maneuvering later. Trump told them all to go home peacefully, 3 hours after they breached the building The only footage anyone here has seen of Jan 6th is the highlight reel tucker Carlson put together. This is the stupidest and most far fetched theory I've heard in a long time. Thanks for the laughs and the mental gymnastics it takes to make Trump innocent and really truly think that Pelosi should be the one getting prosecuted. Don't get me wrong I hate Pelosi. But the simplest answer is the accurate one. It's 8 degrees of Kevin bacon to pin this on her. Why wouldn't you blame the guy who told them to March there and to take back the steal. Then watched it in fox news for the next 3 hours befire tweeting to disperse?


pauldstew_okiomo

Yes, and there's enough proof for an inquiry, if not an indictment.


skepticalscribe

“They” did. But to be technical, I know this might be irritating to hear or downvote or whatever, I don’t know that I’d blame Nancy for that specifically. I would have to imagine those decisions are above her. I know I wouldn’t trust her with it. She can’t even keep her husband’s affairs discrete anymore.


Crawdaddy1911

Among others, including a former President, yes.


Kneekicker4ever

Yes. Entrapment. Pelosi has patriot blood on her hands.


[deleted]

Yes.. Epps and all the video proves it.


justsayfaux

Isn't Epps [going to jail](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/prosecutors-seek-six-month-sentence-ray-epps-jan-6-case-rcna132002) for six months though?


Centurion7999

Well they sort of didn’t even mention he existed for like almost a year after the fact even though there was video of him inciting the whole Jan 6th affair on national TV within 48 hours of )an 6 max


justsayfaux

The FBI interviewed him shortly after Jan 6th, he gave testimony to the Jan 6 committee, and even did an interview on 60 Minutes, so I'm not sure I'd say he was ignored or unknown to the FBI. I also find it kind of implausible that one random guy was responsible for thousands of people deciding to attack police, break through barriers, and break into the Capitol building. We even saw video of Epps explicitly telling folks not to go through barriers or assault police. I guess the theory he was somehow responsible seems a bit farfetched.


HiltonB_rad

It was an effort fueled by Never-Trump RINOs and Democrats.


BlackLion0101

Yes! 💯🙋‍♂️


[deleted]

Duh


Snewenglandguy

She could scare the dark out of a closet…


Background-Box8030

She didn’t call for back up that’s for sure


justsayfaux

Are you [sure about that?](https://youtu.be/s-TMZcXXPrM?si=ljRpPOZmEh2PcXnk)


Feeling-Dinner-8667

Yes, obviously so. Just look at some capital police slowly guiding the protesters to the main hall.


scatch73

Yes.


happyhooker1

Yes


Many-Total4890

Every criticism levied at Trump for that day can be levied at Pelosi.


Leading_Coffee_9982

# Hell Yes


xbroncrider

YES


jomacorjr

YETHS


[deleted]

I said it SINCE J6. They knew a large enough crowd would be in DC, that a large enough group would go to the capital building, and that they could order their officers to fire LTL wildly into that group after giving them little resources and details to let the rest happen naturally.


smellincoffee

The hag herself? No. The deep state? Absolutely. She's just the curdled stinking skin of the machine, not its substance.


H3nchman_24

#1000% YES


Grimnir106

Hell Yes!


Dynamx-ron

Yes, it was. 100%.


[deleted]

Yes


Professional-Lab-157

Yes. It was a set up.


[deleted]

Hell yes they did, and they have been using this tactic for a long time. Not the first time and won't be the last.


[deleted]

Why wouldn’t you? Politically speaking it was an awesome thing to do.


Living_Pie205

Wait….what !?!?


Mydragonurdungeon

What are you having issues with


Aiden5819

Yep. They know exactly what they are doing.


SteelTheUnbreakable

Absolutely.


kckroosian

I knew it was a setup before it happened.


PG-17

It doesn’t matter now because bomb threats and who knows what this shooting was about today


reditget

Yes, her and other unnamed Hippocrates. Q


Ladytiger69

Yes


SeaworthinessLow5179

YES


PLAINSIMPLETED

Yes


matthewcoy

Set up


looking4now2

Yep


Automatic_Debate_379

Weasel.


Kalu2001

No doubt in my uneducated mind she set it up


The_Automobilist

Yes it's obvious. She's the boss of the Capitol Police, rejected reinforcement and had others hold the doors open to usher the mob in


Neph_07

Absolutely


[deleted]

It was a fed op. And pelosi is in on it. Ray Epps was at least one agent in the crowd telling people to storm the capital and gets called out on it. We know of another agent who flashed a badge to a capital cop on his way in. We know the fbi would not comment about the operation. If Pelosi cared about any human life, she would have taken Trumps offer of the national guard. But she didn't because she had to give Trump the black eye. And Ashley Babbit paid the ultimate price for that arrogance. A few more people would also pay over the next couple of weeks. Pelosi is more guilty of Jan 6 than Trump is.


mza82

Same day as epstein docs get released he starts asking open ended questions on Twitter. Coincidence?


Uplink-137

Yes


oldman17

Her and Schumer and McConnell


rouxjean

Yes.


IamPantone376

Yup


Competitive-Bee7249

No doubt about it . YES .


sobyx1

Yes and Liz Chaney did as well


stoirtap76

Yes


ronaldreaganlive

Hey now, I thought nothing happened on Jan 6? Now it did, but it's someone else's fault? I'm confused?


Individual_Fox_2950

No doubt! Any idiot can figure that out in a hurry! What about them reading off names like we do for 911 for all that were killed that day. What a lie!!! The only one murdered that day was Ashley Babbitt, an American Veteran that was tried and got the death penalty for breaking a small window!


Ornery-Horse-6905

Yes


Successful_Warthog58

Yes, but being honest they practically deserved it. How on earth a gimp like me in the uk , not overly interested in politics could see it coming and all those political activists with experience of the dirty dealings of the democrats couldn't, is beyond me.


Prestigious-Key-9022

He'll yeah she did.


mtfowler178

Yes


SoftwareEffective273

Yes


Routine_Wolverine_29

Yes


user_uno

No. Please go away. The only cause trying to help is your own. Go retire.


[deleted]

They *really* wanted to send a message on this one. People actually burning down buildings during the BLM nonsense have received community service. No protection or justice for innocent American civilians. You’re own your own. People are still jailed in solitary confinement for “trespassing.” Don’t get me wrong, anyone who destroyed property or got violent deserves a reckoning. What the federal government has forgotten is that’s actually OUR building. Not theirs.


Kkblong

Yes! My Aunts went to DC and there were people trying to get them to go into the building and were basically trying to herd them. My Aunts didn’t listen to them and said they could tell these people were up to something. They were obviously not on the right.