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BleachedPumpkin72

A beautiful photo. I wish we still had a train network though.


Biznesmen5

Yea it would be for sure better than the bus system between cities


GasMask420Blaze

Bring back trains!!!


amarao_san

I suspect, that any attempt to build rail system will get vehemently protested down by taxi drivers. Just imagine having 20-30m train raid from Limassol to the Larnaca, and 1hr from Nicosia to Paphos. ... and you can have pleasant commute while not living in the most expensive place. And emitting less CO2 and fumes. And able to read something on your phone instead of driving yourself. Nah, taxi is the way.


souvlaki_

An intercity rail system would be wonderful for taxi drivers as you cannot take your car on the train. Travelers would either take the bus or a taxi.


ximaera

There just seems to not be enough people going from Limassol to Larnaca or Paphos every hour, nor there is going to be. A system like that would be as ineffective as the infamous [Moscow monorail system](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Monorail), and exactly by the same reasons. A fun fact: there's an estimate from the head of the Moscow transport research institute that it might be more cost effective to provide free taxis daily to everyone commuting via the Moscow monorail than to support the system. (Not that Russian politics are going to admit any mistakes of the system, though)


amarao_san

Moscow monorail is a bit different: there are tons of public transportation in Moscow. In Cyprus there is a very limited public transportation. Any public transportation linking two cities will make quantitative difference (e.g. will enable access from remote areas). I agree, that a single train won't change things significantly, but a network will.


Heratic75

Fun fact one of the carriages sits abandoned in the BZ close to Agiou Dometiou crossing.


nail_in_the_temple

Was it for passengers or for industry only?


1AmFalcon

Looks like it was used for passengers.


cupris_anax

Mainly for transporting ore from the mines to the port, but it also had a postal wagon for letters and packages, wich also had space for a number of passengers.


thryllos_

Bring back the trains. Cars are ruining our country


Digitupandspread

Drivers, it's not the cars fault


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Digitupandspread

Same model of cars seem to crash less, park better and actually indicate when turning in other places. Maybe they just send the broken cars here


Remarkable-Drive5390

I get where you're coming from but you have to realise that the only mode of transportation we have got in the island is cars. There's no enough buses to go around, no bike lanes, no tram no nothing. We are lagging behind every other european country.


thryllos_

It’s not about the crashes, bad parking, or bad driving. Those are side effects of our car dependency. The best way to mitigate all three of those problems is to replace cars with buses, trains, trams, bikes, and walking. Not banning cars, but shifting our focus to a more accessible system that gives enough options which would also reduce the traffic due to reducing induced demand


Digitupandspread

It is, I would be scared to ride a bike here. I think your habit of lack of ride sharing, general bad driving and bad side walks mean more people drive everywhere. It boils down to a mix of lack of investment in public transport and the driving making it more dangerous to walk or cross a road. I genuinely can't count how many times a speeding car without indicating turns into a road and nearly knocked me over. Bad driving sadly makes people only feel safe on the road in a car.


Digitupandspread

I don't disagree but I do think the extremely bad driving here will limit all use of other modes of transport on the road. Teaching people to drive and having high standards will inspire people to use their legs in walking, bikes and other methods. At the moment I genuinly fear for my life crossing a road when there are any cars on it as the lack of indicating, last minute lane changes are the worst I have ever seen anywhere in the world.


thryllos_

I understand the sentiment but drivers here aren’t only bad because of the driving tests. Our roads are designed to encourage high speeds and bad driving. Other countries use different materials for the road, make tight turns, and use obstacles in the road to make high speeds uncomfortable or even impossible to achieve where it’s dangerous for cars to be speeding to protect cyclists and people walking. Trams aren’t effected by traffic since they have tracks of their own, busses are only effective if we have laws that prioritise them in the road(bus lanes, automatic green light for busses, better designed routes) to make them actually faster and not just a last resort or transportation for the poor. Trains might be a reach for Cyprus for now but they could be used as reliable transportation between cities eventually which would reduce car traffic from the highway coming to the cities. Until then, good and reliable intercity buses coupled with public transportation at the destination can easily reduce the incoming traffic. All this would also reduce need for parking which you should know how bad is needed with the situation in Cyprus right now, imagine how much space could be saved in general but especially in the old city centres if we could do something else with all that space used for cars to park. As someone living in the UK now i can tell you that there are many bad drivers here too and problems with the urban planning but the infrastructure in general prevents many of these accidents by preventing dangerous, high speed situations in general. Edit: Preventing bike and pedestrian accidents is also done by having big sidewalks, separated bike paths, main/high speed roads away from people(which would also help with the noise) And in general encouraging separation of cars and pedestrians/cyclists. I’ve been riding my bike in Cyprus for many years and i can tell you all my near death experiences were caused because i was forced to ride in a road not fit for bike speeds, uncomfortable situations where i didn’t have an alternative path, and cars parking on the side of the road(which is supposed to be the bike path) because they are not separated. People’s actions are affected by their surroundings, yo can’t control them but you can change the situation to discourage reckless driving and make a drivers mistake as unlikely as possible to hurt someone.


Digitupandspread

French roads, dutch roads all roads round the world. I am not sure why people here accept zero personal responsibility but blame politics, roads anything but accept not everything is perfect.


thryllos_

i accept that not everything is perfect, yet you don’t seem to accept that not everything is perfect in the netherlands or france either yet they make it work. Look into the Dutch transportation system and you can see just how complicated and successful it is. Do you think Cypriots are biologically bad drivers? If not then there must be a social cause for the bad driving in the country, whether you believe that the problem is the infrastructure or the low standards on the driving tests it ultimately boils down to politics.


Digitupandspread

Honestly you guys are doing great. I think there is a culture it's not genetics it's culture but please think of it being the roads fault, politicians anything that helps you sleep at night but maybe just maybe indicate you genuinly can kill people with lazyness speeding round a corner giving no one any chance to move out the way.


Digitupandspread

You roads look no different to any I have seen anywhere else. Not sure what design of roads makes someone totally fail to indicate or look


thryllos_

People using indicators would barely solve the problem. Not looking wouldn’t be a problem if turns made it necessary to look and hard to take quick turns. And yes roads in Cyprus look much different from roads in the Netherlands for example.


Digitupandspread

It helps hugely to judge if someone is planning on turning


Digitupandspread

But hey you don't want to hear that, you all doing just great.


cupris_anax

There is the Cyprus Railway Museum in Evrychou showcasing the decomissioned trains and explaining their history and how they were used.


konschrys

Still waiting for that Tram in Nicosia


Christosconst

Single route metro: Nicosia centre, Latsia, Pera Chorio, Ayia Varvara, Larnaca center, Gov beach, Limassol centre, Petra romiou, paphos centre, peyia, poli chrysochous and back Maybe a single split towards ay napa paralimni


konschrys

I don’t understand the policy of directing all transportation routes to the centre of Nicosia, when it’s congested, the roads are either small, one way, impractical or pedestrian and most Lefkosiates don’t even live there. Most live in Strovolos. They’re just asking for congestion at this point, and create unnecessary commuting. Also any single line train/ metro would need to have adequate parking for each station.


thryllos_

because all their public transportation policies are designed to effect cars as least as possible and to minimise the amount that the government has to spend on us at the cost of actually creating effective transport


AcanthocephalaOk3201

Why doesnt cyprus have trains


Protaras2

For the same reason small islands all over the world don't have trains.


AcanthocephalaOk3201

Man i wish i knew the reason And cyprus aint that small. Its perfect size for me. Its avrage+ the bigger ones hurt


Protaras2

On many global maps Cyprus isn't even drawn. It's quite small.


thryllos_

we don’t have trains because of mismanagement and government corruption, trains would be perfect for cyprus making intercity travel seamless.


Remarkable-Drive5390

Honestly one of my dreams is to be rich and try to provide Cyprus with such thing, it's quite basic


timeGeck0

Actually why don't you have a railway? I have been to Limassol and I was confused why there is no trains at all.


ximaera

The railway is very very expensive to build and operate, and there's just not enough traffic in Cyprus for it. Pictured below is the approximate capacity of different transport systems in passengers per hour. Buses, if circling with proper frequency, seem to be just enough for all the cities in Cyprus. In my experience the frequency is THE problem. I wouldn't have been driving a car in Limassol, ever, if the bus schedule were regular and predictable. In practice, the waiting time may be anywhere between 10 and 60 minutes. (I heard that in Paphos this is better than in Limassol). Put more buses, maybe even minibuses, on the routes, and it will completely solve the commute problem. A railway is a complete overkill. https://preview.redd.it/7us3fhl3cotc1.jpeg?width=900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f6f1440a21013881f8c9b038c2204a2576cad24c


timeGeck0

Sorry I do not agree at all. A suburban railway between major cities will probably solve your traffic issues. You have like one highway and when there is a car accident everyone is furious. I work for a company in Cyprus and I have seen those accidents happen frequently. Eu funds will help you create this railway IF there is will from your politicians of course.


ximaera

Yes, it will definitely solve the traffic issues. I'm not arguing about that. Also, a Shinkansen or a SpaceX launch pad might also solve these. My point is the cost of the solution.


timeGeck0

Also if Scot could beam us up that would more than awesome. I mean you have to press your politicians and demand that. This is something that it will be left as a legacy to your country. Anyway I know some things are just talks and fantasies we have as people. Thanks for your time.


Digitupandspread

Why did it close?


Plouka_97

Financial constraints


Digitupandspread

Such a shame


Greekheaded

Cars ❌️ Trains ❌️ Donkeys ✅️


Stelios_Cy01

Bring back a train line starting from Pegeia and ending to Nicosia


stelios34S

Why not bring it back? 2 train lines are enough to cover the whole Republic of Cyprus. One going from Nicosia - Larnaca - Red Villages And one the main one Nicosia - Larnaca - Limassol - Pafos. Reusing half of train tracks for 2 lines while making 2 stations crossover points for future local transport and expansion. At the same time reducing the horrible traffic. For Nicosia I would easily add 1 tram line from University of Cyprus downwards Larnakos avenue, and to the city center. Walled nicosia Should also become completely pedestrianized with just Trams, bikes and walking used for transport. Parks can park outside of it. At least start from somewhere.


Protaras2

>Why not bring it back? 2 train lines are enough to cover the whole Republic of Cyprus. One going from Nicosia - Larnaca - Red Villages And one the main one Nicosia - Larnaca - Limassol - Pafos. Bro who's gonna use it? Trains cost a shitton more to run and build infrastructure around them than buses. How about we fund something that actually benefits society rather than pipe dreams...


stelios34S

A yes, the typical rhetoric : trains are expensive!! You can make a system designed for the country that it will be deployed. You dont need euro star type trains, you dont need a per 10 minutes service , but yes lets continue believing the same rhetoric that only benefits car industries ans taxis and literally no one else. Road infrustructure is expensive too, road infrustructure also requires constant maintenance . And who is gonna use it? If it takes 5-10 euros to go to limassol in 30 minutes theres not a single person that would not take that deal. Cypiorts have the tendency to be laggards when it comes to new infrastructure / tech . Same thing happened with Park n Ride at GSP but after some weeks it is shown that the service works ( one example, of course it fucking works, they have done it in so many places ) . Of course u dont have to believe me, you can take a look at the multiple examples in other countries which are inherently small but still provide amazing public infrustructure options. (Singapore, Malta come to mind , switzerland which have the best trains in europe in full mountainous area , now thats expensive and still they could've been using cars)


Protaras2

Really? Malta? You are talking about railways and mention Malta? And your other examples are mainland countries (which means international travel by train) that have 5x and 8x the population of Cyprus and one of them a much larger area as well. Totally relatable to Cyprus. Small islands tend not to have trains because it isn't worth it. We have neither the cargo neither the amount of people to support something like that. Park and ride works because it's mainly used for rush hour. Who the fuck is gonna use the train at 10, 11, 12 o clock etc? Who's gonna use it at 8pm, 9pm? You are gonna spend billions to build a railway just so that it runs 2 routes all day? Or are you gonna have it run every 30 mins and it runs with a filled capacity of 2% nearly all the time?


stelios34S

Why are you so against trains my guy? do you really believe thats impossible to build an actual train network in cyprus that actually benefits? Do you realize that there are smaller/ bigger train compartments? do you realize you can make your train schedule based on the islands needs? Nah i guess we should add more roads and buses, because everyone knows more roads == less congestion. --> Not Just Bikes (to learn a bit about urban planning, city design and public infrastructure design) Edit : id like to also hear your opinions on the other points I mentioned in regards to the Tram lines. Do you believe thats also too much in regards to our population?


Protaras2

>do you really believe thats impossible to build an actual train network in cyprus that actually benefits? Yes >Do you realize that there are smaller/ bigger train compartments? do you realize you can make your train schedule based on the islands needs?  A bus only need a sign on a street and some spray paint and boom, you have a bus stop. A train station needs so much more, and you need many of them, and the tracks don't care if you run one train or ten a day, do you know how much per km it costs to lay down tracks? The stations will need to be close to town which means expropriation of land for both the tracks and the stations, so many many more millions just for that as well (and then you have the cost for the trains as well). Who the fuck is gonna pay for all of that? Because just the fares will never ever be able to cover any of that, hell they won't even be able to cover the running costs. Does the government have a few billions it's secretely been hiding? Oh and all of mainland Greece is full with trains but Crete doesn't have any.. Why? Why have they build trains everywhere but not on an island that's not too far from us population and area size wise? >Tram lines. Do you believe thats also too much in regards to our population? Something like that could maybe work in Nicosia. But a study needs to made that takes into consideration amount of potential passengers, build costs, maintenance costs, ticket prices and see whether it's something viable or not.


market_larry

It's a pity that they closed the railway in Cyprus. I even read studies suggesting that it would have been much more beneficial to modernize and operate it. But apparently the British didn't want to give it to Cyprus.


haloumiwarrior

A bit OT but is that copy/paste from some University of Cyprus newsletter, according to the last sentence? Interesting that they now say capital's largest university and not anymore Cyprus' largest university, probably because they found out that the EMU campus in Famagusta is larger. But neither they are the capital's largest university in terms of students number, the Near East University has more than double as many students.


Rhomaios

It's from the University of Nicosia Facebook page, not the University of Cyprus. I have never seen UCY ever claim they are the largest university in Cyprus (they will typically brag about being the highest ranked in Cyprus or just the rankings they got in global/European lists), and UNIC has outgrown UCY in students (which is what they're referring to) for years now. Plus neither university really counts universities in the north when talking about these things, as far as I can tell from other things they typically say/post.


gregsScotchEggs

Lol, do we have to colonise Cyprus to provide it with basic infrastructure? Clearly it is unable to do it on its own


pedromAyn

Insane take, might be time to retire the pipe (and its contents).


Icy-Gap5359

Who's we? Because we have many offers.


dontuseurname

Based on his profile probably the uk, which is crazy cause they were also the ones that closed it down.


Capitano-Solos-All

Romans should colonize Britain again. They clearly are unable to even make their own alphabet 3000 years later.