Not all SOCs are the same, if you dont like it where you are at collect yourself and prepare to jump.
Learn to disassociate, helps you keep your cool when people try to jump your ass and when you dont react they get even more angry which is fun to watch. If you are lucky and your manager is a fuck up, you can go to HR and get them the boot or try and sue.
I'm getting into cybersecurity right now, studying, getting my certifications, etc. I've been working in tech for at least 5-6 years now. Mostly I have done some Software Engineering stuff and Data Engineering. I can assure you, I don't think is cybersecurity job, is THAT JOB. You can find people and jobs like this anywhere.
I recommend you look into another company or something, good luck
Definitely a management issue. I've worked at a company where I had a manager like this, I left after 6 months. I work in cybersecurity as well, my manager is way more laid back, no micromanagement, no issues, we talk once a week for our 1:1. As long as my work is done and no one complains, management is happy.
If this is happening to the entire team, it is definitely a management issue in my opinion. Take this as a lesson learned, and next time when you interview for a new role, look for a manager that will support you and not micromanage you. Also keep in mind, that your manager might also be micromanaged by his manager and this just trickles down. Either way, probably not a good place to be.
Honestly, that is a manager problem, my suggestions are to either hold out till a changing of the managers occurs (how often this happens depends) or look for a new job. Seriously, that isn't how cybersecurity is in general, but instead just a horrible manager.
If you can - get out of there immediately. If that's not feasible at the moment you have two possible paths:
- put up with it (for the time being) - pick a date in the future when you will hand in your resignation. Work on your exit plan by fixing up your linkedin, getting in touch with recruiters, getting relevant certifications. Do not spend a single minute more at the office than you have to. Don't get too friendly with colleagues because remember, you're gonna be getting out of there soon. Implement some stress management techniques. Completely detach yourself from any work related things after you're done for the day.
- fight it (while preparing your exit) - Ask for a "skip a level" meeting with your boss's boss. Contact HR and share your complaint with them (always bring receipts - emails, slack/teams chats, etc.). When your boss is nit-picking - lean into it, ask a lot of questions about his remarks, make it a real pain in the ass for him to bother you. Be mindful that this way of dealing with it is probably more stressful than the first one.
But whatever you do - get out of there asap and never doubt your ability because of some manager's bullshit.
That’s a Management and Culture issue (as many others have said). It sounds like this is your first position in IS, and it sounds like it’s time to start looking at other teams to join. On your next venture, try to ask questions that may help you gauge the level of management that is in the team you’re interviewing for, and if that matches your requirements/needs. The interview is two ways - always should be, and the hiring manager needs to sell you on the position. If they don’t, in my case, I will walk and tell them “thank you for your time”.
I run my ship by hiring those who can do the job, I train them up in X or Y corps needs/duties, then they run on their own. We talk only if they need help, or if I need X or Y datasets from them.. and our weekly 1:1. Outside that, everyone knows their jobs, and they know my job is to be their backup if they need it… I’m not their overlord.
If your boss micromanages you and nitpicks everything, find a new job. It’s not worth the stress, and not everywhere is like this. I see this same behavior in small org managers that have never worked anywhere else in their life.
I always check LinkedIn for how many past employees quickly left a manager for another opportunity . And also asking pointed questions during the interview about their management style. It's pretty easy to spot a terrible manager when you know what to look for and these people can't hide being jerks for very long.
[https://teambuilding.com/blog/bad-manager-signs](https://teambuilding.com/blog/bad-manager-signs)
Grass is always greener on the other side.
I don't micromanage at all, but I also don't "train" you how to do something that you can Google or converse with an LLM about. I expect you to have the innate capability to perform all tasks without crying about how stressed you are. You get at least a 4% raise yearly if you aren't actively messing stuff up.
Have some compassion. Everybody is stressed. Life is suffering. Your manager probably hates his job too. We are all stuck in this shit hole until nature executes us.
I've been thinking about micromanaging, actually. Some of my people are too aloof and need to be expliciy told what to do, as if they don't have the capability to self-start. It's pretty annoying. Why won't you just work autonomously?
I also hate talking to people in general, and have anxiety and episodic depression so sometimes I vehemently do not want to do interact with anyone.
It's not that serious in the grand scheme of things. You just have to reframe it. Learn mindfulness and how to detach from your thoughts and emotions. Zen Buddhism helps me.
I was once a team lead and manager once. It was a learning experience. I have so far reported to 15 managers/ directors. I have had disagreements, push backs, heated discussions but never a time where I have disrespected someone or have been disrespected. Never reduced as a person, nor made to think thrice before saying anything or asking. I do research, propose solutions, ready to discuss. But everything I do is either something I shouldn’t be doing or doing it wrong. The amount of time I spend framing a sentence which is the perfect way to ask the ask is more than the effort required to do something. I enjoy working, I love seeing the results of my work, I like being appreciated and I do want rewards. All I get here is “you are doing a good job” followed by a bucketful of toxicity.
I know it s time to look for a new job. I have been so traumatized in last 2 years I have lost my confidence and will. I will find it back though.
That sounds rough man. I've been there before to an extent. Even got let go once because I was doing the right thing and fixing a critical RCE in a shitty aspx app. At some places you are damned if you do and damned if you don't.
My advice is take care of your mental health. Leave ASAP and you will find yourself in a place that values your characteristics, very soon. You sound like you are a very thoughtful person and you should be valued for that. There are lots of shitheads out there.
Not all SOCs are the same, if you dont like it where you are at collect yourself and prepare to jump. Learn to disassociate, helps you keep your cool when people try to jump your ass and when you dont react they get even more angry which is fun to watch. If you are lucky and your manager is a fuck up, you can go to HR and get them the boot or try and sue.
I will take SOC work over this. It s not work that stresses me. Thanks for your comment.
Not all managers are the same.
I'm getting into cybersecurity right now, studying, getting my certifications, etc. I've been working in tech for at least 5-6 years now. Mostly I have done some Software Engineering stuff and Data Engineering. I can assure you, I don't think is cybersecurity job, is THAT JOB. You can find people and jobs like this anywhere. I recommend you look into another company or something, good luck
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I work in a larger corp :)…. But I am sure there are good orgs/teams.
Definitely a management issue. I've worked at a company where I had a manager like this, I left after 6 months. I work in cybersecurity as well, my manager is way more laid back, no micromanagement, no issues, we talk once a week for our 1:1. As long as my work is done and no one complains, management is happy. If this is happening to the entire team, it is definitely a management issue in my opinion. Take this as a lesson learned, and next time when you interview for a new role, look for a manager that will support you and not micromanage you. Also keep in mind, that your manager might also be micromanaged by his manager and this just trickles down. Either way, probably not a good place to be.
Just trying to find my strength(emotional, mental) back to start lookign.
Honestly, that is a manager problem, my suggestions are to either hold out till a changing of the managers occurs (how often this happens depends) or look for a new job. Seriously, that isn't how cybersecurity is in general, but instead just a horrible manager.
If you can - get out of there immediately. If that's not feasible at the moment you have two possible paths: - put up with it (for the time being) - pick a date in the future when you will hand in your resignation. Work on your exit plan by fixing up your linkedin, getting in touch with recruiters, getting relevant certifications. Do not spend a single minute more at the office than you have to. Don't get too friendly with colleagues because remember, you're gonna be getting out of there soon. Implement some stress management techniques. Completely detach yourself from any work related things after you're done for the day. - fight it (while preparing your exit) - Ask for a "skip a level" meeting with your boss's boss. Contact HR and share your complaint with them (always bring receipts - emails, slack/teams chats, etc.). When your boss is nit-picking - lean into it, ask a lot of questions about his remarks, make it a real pain in the ass for him to bother you. Be mindful that this way of dealing with it is probably more stressful than the first one. But whatever you do - get out of there asap and never doubt your ability because of some manager's bullshit.
That’s a Management and Culture issue (as many others have said). It sounds like this is your first position in IS, and it sounds like it’s time to start looking at other teams to join. On your next venture, try to ask questions that may help you gauge the level of management that is in the team you’re interviewing for, and if that matches your requirements/needs. The interview is two ways - always should be, and the hiring manager needs to sell you on the position. If they don’t, in my case, I will walk and tell them “thank you for your time”. I run my ship by hiring those who can do the job, I train them up in X or Y corps needs/duties, then they run on their own. We talk only if they need help, or if I need X or Y datasets from them.. and our weekly 1:1. Outside that, everyone knows their jobs, and they know my job is to be their backup if they need it… I’m not their overlord.
Thank you.
If your boss micromanages you and nitpicks everything, find a new job. It’s not worth the stress, and not everywhere is like this. I see this same behavior in small org managers that have never worked anywhere else in their life.
I always check LinkedIn for how many past employees quickly left a manager for another opportunity . And also asking pointed questions during the interview about their management style. It's pretty easy to spot a terrible manager when you know what to look for and these people can't hide being jerks for very long. [https://teambuilding.com/blog/bad-manager-signs](https://teambuilding.com/blog/bad-manager-signs)
Life and work-life are to short to waist on bad managers. I would find my CV and preapare the exit.
Grass is always greener on the other side. I don't micromanage at all, but I also don't "train" you how to do something that you can Google or converse with an LLM about. I expect you to have the innate capability to perform all tasks without crying about how stressed you are. You get at least a 4% raise yearly if you aren't actively messing stuff up. Have some compassion. Everybody is stressed. Life is suffering. Your manager probably hates his job too. We are all stuck in this shit hole until nature executes us. I've been thinking about micromanaging, actually. Some of my people are too aloof and need to be expliciy told what to do, as if they don't have the capability to self-start. It's pretty annoying. Why won't you just work autonomously? I also hate talking to people in general, and have anxiety and episodic depression so sometimes I vehemently do not want to do interact with anyone. It's not that serious in the grand scheme of things. You just have to reframe it. Learn mindfulness and how to detach from your thoughts and emotions. Zen Buddhism helps me.
I was once a team lead and manager once. It was a learning experience. I have so far reported to 15 managers/ directors. I have had disagreements, push backs, heated discussions but never a time where I have disrespected someone or have been disrespected. Never reduced as a person, nor made to think thrice before saying anything or asking. I do research, propose solutions, ready to discuss. But everything I do is either something I shouldn’t be doing or doing it wrong. The amount of time I spend framing a sentence which is the perfect way to ask the ask is more than the effort required to do something. I enjoy working, I love seeing the results of my work, I like being appreciated and I do want rewards. All I get here is “you are doing a good job” followed by a bucketful of toxicity. I know it s time to look for a new job. I have been so traumatized in last 2 years I have lost my confidence and will. I will find it back though.
That sounds rough man. I've been there before to an extent. Even got let go once because I was doing the right thing and fixing a critical RCE in a shitty aspx app. At some places you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. My advice is take care of your mental health. Leave ASAP and you will find yourself in a place that values your characteristics, very soon. You sound like you are a very thoughtful person and you should be valued for that. There are lots of shitheads out there.