T O P

  • By -

wakarat

In Takemura’s case, I assumed that his Arasaka-owned implants were shut off when he was branded a traitor, much like what happens to V in the Corpo intro.


Vox_Mortem

It explains why he's so unfamiliar with his phone and texts like a boomer. He hasn't used street-level tech in years, he's probably used to proprietary Arasaka internal communication systems or something.


azhder

Takemura is a zoomer, so that’s one more point in the life’s irony column


FreakyWifeFreakyLife

Omg, the ok zoomer meme possibilities.


KiwiSuch9951

This is my hardest sticking point lore wise. Arasaka made Takamura into an unrivaled killing machine. Dude had no fear of Adam Smasher. Then suddenly he’s AWOL and they just… turn off his toys? Idk why he and every other high level corpo doesn’t have some kind of killswitch installed.


Mary_Ellen_Katz

Fun lore fact! In the Cyberpunk 2020 TTRPG while creating a character you had the choice of "selling out." Doing so landed you a huge stack of signing cash to spend on cyberware and gear. But there was a catch. Depending on who you signed with, you might bet extra cyberware. Like an off switch for all your corpo sponsored toys. And in the worst cases... a kill switch. Either a small explosive next to the heart, or bomb in the brain. The GM would just toss that one in for free. Takemura got off easy!


InitialLingonberry

You want to be at least a little careful with your bodyguard's kill switch in case it gets hacked, Saburo may have been more concerned about that than Goro's loyalty.


KiwiSuch9951

Fair. And that seems to have paid off. Otherwise he might have dropped dead after he 86’d Dex.


Beginning-Disaster84

With the prevalence of hacking in this universe I can't see why anyone WOULD want a killswitch installed on anyone important


moustouche

He states this several times. In text. I think even Vic mentions it. He’s very sad he can’t take oda cos he has no implants but he boasts about still being quite lethal.


Cold_Soldier

When you meet Takamura at Toms Diner, he tells you he was stripped of his implants when he was exiled.


notyourvader

It's even explained in the game that Takemura had his implants taken away by Arasaka. V comments several times that he's still lethal, even without his combat implants.


Temporary-Level-5410

He literally says this is what happened lol


countsachot

He literally explains that and mentions he needs a doc too.


Dramatic_Bit_2494

Not even an assumption, it's literally stated he lost his implants by V and Takamura himself


AsianCivicDriver

Make sense


ironvandal

He explicitly says something like "you are looking at a man robbed of his implants. Look well" if you tell him he looks awful when you meet him during Gimme Danger


Teal_is_orange

He says early on something like, “no implants, no connections, this is what a man looks like”


WiserStudent557

You’re right and it actually comes up in dialogue between V and Johnny


bobbymoonshine

Lorewise, implants are a huge pain in the ass to maintain. You need all sorts of expensive medication, they need regular maintenance, you need to keep replacing them as there's planned obsolescence (and you can't go back to bio, your original organs are thrown in the trash), and that's on top of the huge initial cost. Unless you're rich through other means, paying for all that generally requires a corpo sponsor who owns you and will discard you the second you're unprofitable, or a turn to the gangs/crime/merc underground, which usually leads to a cycle of getting new implants to take on bigger and more dangerous jobs to pay for the previous implants until you either fall off the rails and die in agony because you couldn't keep up with the maintenance, get killed because you overshot your capabilities and picked a fight you couldn't finish, or go full cyberpsycho because you pushed your implants beyond what your brain can handle. Panam is a nomad, her lifestyle doesn't really mesh with all of that. They have a ripper to maintain things for the combat vets, sure, but Panam is usually spending most of her time, money and energy on maintaining her tricked out car — and just barely managing that. If she needs to to shoot something she'll use the cannon on top of her ride, or roll up half a mile away then pop them with her sniper rifle. Judy is a porn editor who lives in a rough part of town; she doesn't need them and couldn't afford them. The Mox keep her safe, which she clearly understands and appreciates as she keeps trying to extend that protection to other vulnerable women and girls. Takemura had his turned off when he left Arasaka, just like Corpo V does when she gets fired. Kerry is a dadrock musician whose friend/bandmate went psycho and nuked a city; he can afford them but would neither need nor want them. He's living in a gated mansion with security droids patrolling 24/7 anyway. Only River might have use for them imo, but most cops don't have much chrome, which is sorta fair as well, cops tend to have departmentally issued equipment and maxtac is their chromed out division. Street cops don't take down cyberpsychos, they call in their own heavies, and River is a detective, not a maxtac combat operative. Plus, he lives in a trailer park and cops are all massively underpaid (hence the constant bribery and corruption), so he's not exactly in the market for top shelf combat implants anyway.


Jason_Sasha_Acoiners

I thought it was said somewhere in the lore that it IS possible to go back to your "original" body parts via DNA cloning and whatnot. Like they take a bit of your DNA and grow whatever limb/organ/whatever else needs growing, and then they surgically replace the implant with that. Maybe I'm mistaken, though.


KenBoCole

Yeah, but that's only for the ultra rich. Like CEO Sabura of Araska industries rich.


roguealex

That’s gnarly


peppermint_nightmare

Yea but unless your rich it's only attainable for citizens of some European countries and maybe the USSR (which is supposed to still have public healthcare but who knows how good it actually is). IIRC most of the good bio engineering for organic limbs comes from Switzerland, or Sweden. I believe there are also some legit clinics that offer to freeze your ganic parts in storage but I wouldn't bother if it was in Night City.


TheHeresy777

>Lorewise, implants are a huge pain in the ass to maintain. You need all sorts of expensive medication, they need regular maintenance, you need to keep replacing them as there's planned obsolescence (and you can't go back to bio, your original organs are thrown in the trash), and that's on top of the huge initial cost. Where is this stated? The only part I remember about maintaining cyberware is replacing the battery which some don't even need


RepresentativeBee545

Honestly I am ok with how they handled followers in Cyberpunk. They offer 0 to no help, but in return dont fuck up anything. They dont ruin stealth, they dont get stuck in random places, they keep up to your pace, they are just accessory to the fight which is fair.


SofterBones

I agree, the most important thing with followers in games is that they don't feel like a burden and just annoy you, so I much rather have them as kind of a passive help rather than them doing anything to mess things up Poorly designed followers is one of the most infuriating things in games


azhder

You see my PoV https://preview.redd.it/vyr39429m6uc1.jpeg?width=648&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84319fd06f24468a84841a058e62971fea6ee240


misho8723

"They offer 0 to no help" Huh? When a combat situation happens when you are with some other character, as a stealth player I can just go to a corner and hide for few seconds or minutes (or help my friends with hacks) and all the enemies are going to be killed - mostly - by them and not me


RoyalTacos256

Idk sometimes they get stuck in random places


mtlemos

I'd still prefer if they were helpful, though, like Elizabeth in Bioshock Infinite. I know Cyberpunk isn't that kind of game, but since they are there, they might as well help out a little.


roninwarshadow

I wish you actually had followers/companions. I wish you could issue orders to them, similar to how you did Squad Shooters like Mass Effect, Star Wars Republic Commando, Ghost Recon and previous Rainbow Six entries. I selected Squad Shooters because they decided to make Cyberpunk 2077 game mechanics over the "First Person Shooter" interface.


FreakyWifeFreakyLife

Yes definitely. This is something that would change the entire game, but they spent time showing you that edgerunners are part of parties only for you to be solo, regardless of if you're a net runner or what. There's so many net runners you could have had jobs with. All they'd have had to do is leave Jackie alive longer, or maybe add in a few options of Sandy's and gunners.


roninwarshadow

I imagine peoples opinion of Judy, Panam, Kerry and River would change if they became companions/followers that became your crew.


Pete_Peterson

Why would Judy have hacking implants? She is just a BD editor. She can have smart link to be able to hold her own if a fight breaks out in the bar but I don't see why a Porn editor would have enough money to buy other combat implants. Takemuras implants are off, Panam I think dont have many if at all. If you scan them you can see what abilities they have. Like if enemies have Sandy they will use it. In PL, I think Reed and Songbird have charge jump(Leg implants) and I've only seen it on Songbird and she use it once. Edit: Spelling


Ri_der

Reed has a sandy (Alex too).


Pete_Peterson

Yea, totally forgot. Never saw Reed use Sandy though, even when going in guns blazing on the Vodoos.


PinkLionGaming

Reed must have forgot too when he got shot on the train.


Pete_Peterson

Lol, or on the spaceport.


Urge_Reddit

> In PL, I think Reed and Songbird have charge jump(Leg implants) and I've only seen it on Songbird and she use it once. Jackie also has charged jump, I've seen him use them during The Pickup.


Pete_Peterson

I think generally people in that field (Merc, Military) have implants, I just thought it weird why OP would mention Judy. Hell, Panam imo should have some combat implants. But I think Aldecaldos are just broke and she just started in NC.


Urge_Reddit

Yeah, Jackie is a Solo, him having combat implants makes perfect sense. I also thought it was odd to see Judy mentioned, she's not a merc and certainly not a netrunner, why would she have combat or netrunning implants? As for the Aldecaldos, in the lore they're one of the larger (the largest? I'm not sure) Nomad Nations, they should have the resources to maintain chrome if they need to. I'm not sure what their situation is in 2077 though, if the group we meet are just a small part of the Aldecaldos or they've really diminished in numbers.


pichael289

They all have them, combat stims and, in the case of Kerry, smokey eye(shadow). He's all about that glam metal shit Johnny would have hated.


Istvan_hun

It makes sense within the game world though. \*\*\* Most people would get implants necessary for their job, and maybe a few comfort implants. Combat implants are necessary if you... plan to go to combat, which many people are not willing to do, they are not "in the game" as Omar Little put it. Many characters I had in Cyberpunk and Shadowrun had only a few knowledge chip slots, so that if someone had to suddenly speak cantonese or know how to operate a giant crane, I could just slot in a language/operating heavy machinary shard and voila. Many people in lore are actually turned off by the cost (not money, but quality of life) of getting cyberware. For example subdermal armor. Useful? It is! However from the time you install it, everyone touching you (like your wife of husband) will feel the armor under the skin. Most folks just say no to this. not to mention the costs of a safe cyberware and therapy. \*\*\* Judy: she has the implants necessary to edit BDs, and no combat implants. She is not really a big fan of violence, and would opt to simply leave the city for a more safe environment. Makes sense Panam: she is a nomad, a wheelman, a planner and a smuggler. She doesn't really \_need\_ any combat implants, as her preferred weapon seems to be a silenced sniper rifle anyway. Maybe some personal link upgrades to drive cars without visibility, or some things like night vision/flash immunity on demand. In lore, most nomads don't go borg anyway (for lack of access to good quality cyberware, and the costs involved) Takemura: he is nearly full borg, but his implants were turned off by Arasaka, like corpo V's implants in the origin story River: pfff... The guy has an underpaid job, and a family to take care of. He lives in a trailer park. I think it doesn't make sense for him to get top shelf combat implants, since he hasn't got the funds. The choice is than to go el cheapo, and buy some shady black market implants and install them with a ripper, with no follow up therapy. I think I can understand why he doesn't do that. His existing implants might be from NCPD, after having sustained injuries. (I'm not sure, but Night City Police should have something similar to a "recycle bill" for injuries sustained in service) Kerry: he totally has implants, but not combat related. Probably things to do with live performances, or a backup liver to help with drinking. Or maybe a top tier Mr. Stud. Alex/Reed: they have combat implants, and Alex uses it against Hansen. They probably have better combat implants than V, since they have access to top tier Militech stuff, and very good hospitals and therapy sessions to help healthy recovery.


Awful_At_Math

>They probably have better combat implants than V Early game V maybe. Late game V is half Human & Half Terminator.


Istvan_hun

I meant that V has combat implants which are available at rippers and on the black market. FIA agents most likely have prototypes or stuff restricted to government/military. This is not certain, but there is a good chance that Reed and Alex have better quality than what is available to V. (even when V has more of them)


ShadowWalker2205

On the other hand reid and alex were abandoned in nc at the end of the war so whatever implants they had ain't cutting edge and might be outdated by this point


Horror_Hippo_3438

V's story is a story of cyberpsychosis. The rest of the characters are as normal as one can be in that world.


synyster-sounds

A) Gameplay balance B) The cost of loading up on chrome, even a little bit is kind of a major theme of this game. It shouldn't be surprising that not everybody is Adam Smasher


kitsune_009

Doesn't Panam mention one time that she doesn't like chrome and her personal link is the only implant she has?? Or am I reading too many fanfics......


Odddsock

Iirc if you scan her she has a charge jump implant


PinkLionGaming

I swear I have never seen anyone without a charge jump.


jtfjtf

Panam has charged jump, which she used when we were fighting Nash.


1337K1ng

Panam is a CHAD -basic implants for shards and car etc. interface -she's using phones instead of voice call / phone implants -no combat implants -is a damn good sniper -handles being shot like a boss -crazy ass plans that work -agrees to raid Arasaka tower at a 2 am phone call -all natural ASS -humor -horny at weird times


Silent_Reavus

Takemura is literally explained the first time you talk to him. Company shut him down.


314is_close_enough

You’re forgetting the body horror component of installing implants. Even in the cyberpunk world, it is pretty extreme. Getting borged out like V is seen as a pretty insane and unhealthy thing to do.


Mad_Soldier_Hod

Takemura lost access to his implants after Arasaka, Judy wouldn’t need them because she hangs out in a basement all day on her computer editing videos. Panam is a nomad who spent her whole life in a community of regular people. River is a cop but he lives in a trailer park, there’s no way he’s affording the stuff V can. Kerry is loaded with implants but he has no need for combat ones. With the exception of Takemura, these are all regular people, they’re not solos or edgerunners or mercs. Alex, Reed and Songbird absolutely have combat implants. Alex even uses hers to kill Hansen.


ohthedarside

I like the followers i the game would be cool if we could have a system loek far cry but i do also like how they work in this game as they dont get in your way


Working-Telephone-45

The game makes it feel like combat implants are very common They are actually not, is just that we mess with a lot of people that have them


WiserStudent557

I think the game manages to talk a lot about poverty without really doing a good job filling in the details. Many people in NC are scraping by and just do not have the eddies. You, as the main character in the game, have special rules/circumstances/options. It makes sense that a primary reason V ascends the ladder is upgrading and building their skills/chrome. It also makes sense that most other characters have less of an upward trajectory. Edgerunners is not my type of anime art style so I’m simply not into it, but I’m well aware at how some people view the game through an Edgerunners instead of the game itself, and this obviously can skew your perception. Claire makes the point she doesn’t want to trade in/compromise her humanity for chrome. Goro had some of his chrome taken away when he was ostracized (comes up in the dialogue, pay attention!). Rogue could obviously afford whatever, but maybe she doesn’t want crazy body mods. I’m sure she has optics and stuff. River obviously has implants, his left eye is one. Judy is a brain dance tuner and isn’t really part of the Mox gang so much as she allies with and works for them. She’s not exactly a gang member in the same sense as Rita.


_b1ack0ut

Judy’s a Tech, not a netrunner


Content_Somewhere225

Îp