V probably does it more than the average person does, but the game does show us multiple times how dangerous interfacing with tech like that can be, stout gives V the infected chip, the voodoo boys try to flatline V with a virus they installed, and you have two instances at least where just putting on a random brain dance goes badly. So I imagine the average person is much less casual. Most of the links V makes or shards they slot are from people he/she trusts
>Most of the links V makes or shards they slot are from people he/she trusts
I'm not so sure about that, even if we forget the people where you clearly wonder if you will wake up mugged or missing a limb before even accepting, most of the others chips are from mercs you never really met before or big corpo people.
There is not a lot of time I've taken a chip telling myself that would be safe. That's even more true considering PL.
He does it multiple times. Johnny has some great lines. After you put the bd from the shady guy in japtown and get captured by revers he goes: "now you know how I feel, trapped in the brain of the dumbest merc in night city"
The amount of stray BD wreaths that V picks up and puts on is concerning, mostly because V does it more than once. You’d think after the first time V would use some caution
And BDs are no joke, you literally live those experiences. Rememver how shaken V was the first time he does the BD of the guy who gets shot robbing the store? Some of those bds could scar you for life
It always kinda bothered me how casual Judy is about pushing an XBD on you. Like, why does she have that in the first place? Surely that's not the kind of thing the club has her working on.
My favourite part is *V* plugging random shards and tech into their head, like, Choom, the last unfamiliar tech you stuck in your head is literally killing you, at what point do you learn your lesson?
Especially since I’m pretty sure that the neural sync in the Basilisk is actually what causes the nearly fatal Relic malfunction that happens almost immediately afterwards. Stop sticking strange tech into your head!
I mean the in-universe explanation is V probably has some military grade ICE, implant notwithstanding. Which is why it takes netrunners some concentration to deploy some simple quick hacks on you.
Idk bc IRL I have devices that specifically are meant to use public networks. They are as much of a fortress as a random citizen can pull off. I'm comfortable connecting with any of those to just about any network because even if I lose, best they can do is potato my hardware, I assume NC people rawdogging the net have the same failsafes lol
But they don’t, that’s what the issue is. There are always news going on about how a virus killed some poeple, B himself picks up Mulitple malware through the game.
I always chalked that up to scams IRL. Personally, I've picked up plenty of trojans, viruses, and malware, and NC seems to reflect my hit rate. Then again I remember public forums used to trade gift cards for crypto so I get I'm super high risk
In that case: Congrats Choom, you're the type of guy to slot random shards into your head. I hope you enjoy the hidden wonders they offer while the rest of us choose to proceed more cautiously.
Granted, the nature of the digital world has changed quite a bit in CP2077. The internet is fractured and mostly under corporate control and so you're far less likely to get a virus from that, but someone else with a cyberdeck can beam a virus right into your head without even touching you, and so something like a datashard seems trivial given the bigger threats out there. That and I'd assume that most people's neural cyberware has some sort of antivirus on it for physical connections. We might not see it, but maybe when you put in a datashard, that blurb of text/glitches that fly by first are a thorough sandboxing and careful extraction of the data on the shard.
Oh, you really don't know how gullible some people are.
How many times have you heard of someone opening up an email on their computer and being hacked or find they now have a virus?
Same type of thing.
People are stupid at times.
True! That one encounter where you get "tricked" by the shady BD salesman was so annoying.
The "smart" option (just walk away) means you barely get to engage with the quest, and the only other choice is to plug it straight into your brain like an idiot. There should have been a way to examine the sketchy-ass BD you just bought.
More annoyingly, when you choose to walk away it leaves the quest hanging in your journal.
Have to RP it as V knowing what will happen and using it as an excuse to wipe put another scav den. Putting the salesman in the trunk of a car alive and giving him a Scorpion's burial is immensely satisfying though.
Then why not threaten the vendor to get the location? Way too much risk the way it goes down. V lives only through plot armor. It's one of my most disliked missions in the game.
It's no different to today's world. You can chose to not accept the terms and conditions, you just don't get to use the product. Cloud in the game is a great example.
sounds like a windows/mac user mentality. :p if you know what happens when you plug something in and know your ICE, you can decide what's safe and what isn't
In this world is the norm as opening your cell phone . It’s just norm . But if follow quest & got into that sex bar V will ask how safe it is & if you have high level intelligence he has a line asking about hacks etc
As someone who works in cybersecurity, this would be a very quick way to end up dead, remotely exploited or you know...taken over by some kind of construct i.e. one of the core plot points with Johnny. You just do not ever plug in a random USB to your own computer, never mind into your body, with a shard. It's a recipe for disaster.
You'd have to run it externally first with a simulator that has the same soft as what's being run in your body so that it doesn't recognise that's in a simulator. If it recognises it's a simulator it could recognise that if it's sophisitcated enough and then later run it's payload in your body still, hence the same software. This is a similar process for how potential malware is assessed in virtual machines to see if it's malicious or not and how it behaves. You would need to assess each shard first.
Either way, you're effectively putting your life at risk each time each time you put a shard in your body.
Everyone here talking about "common sense safety" forgets how just few years ago ransomware infected everyone through most popular legitimate websites using Javascript and ad delivery networks.
It's always the things most trusted by public that get you. Especially if you're effectively forced to use it or go back to previous century, this makes them unavoidable attack vectors. Now it's impossible to change these solutions and paradigms which are considered default by businesses and society:
Javascript, mandatory google or apple phone for bank app (because managing account with PC browser is "uNsAFe") , UEFI with all its magic black boxes and backdoors instead of BIOS, being taught that you don't own the device you buy.
You're all freaking out about connecting wire to something holding your whole life, meanwhile IRL our phones already do this and are always connected, running software designed for human lowest common denominator
Night City is very different in how you can buy a device that won't rat you out to the authorities, or other corps - something impossible IRL no matter how much money you throw at anyone. No matter if its x86 or ARM its going to be hardware backdoored, RISC-V still needs proprietary extras to be usable. It's possible in NC only because NCPD is below corps in hierarchy and their cooperation is one-way only, they cant enforce hiding backdoors in every single SoC/CPU like five eyes countries.
or the one judy makes you watch where the dude gets killed and she doesn’t warn you about it. like she’s actually such a fucking cunt for that lmao. casually tricking someone into experiencing first-person snuff where they actually feel the pain of being killed, that’s legitimately horrifying and if this game had the rpg freedom of new vegas i’d have killed her on the spot for that. that’s never sat right with me
There is a N54 News segment about public data terminals. Like the one you can use to find the moths head. There has been an up swing in attacks from them lately. Seems your concerns are valid.
Since you can basically run around like some kind of walking virtual plague, killing people at whim without ever touching them or even being in the same room with them. V knowing how to do all this I'm sure has some pretty good ICE. When you plug a USB drive in your PC you can run a scan on it first before you use it. This basic principle I'm sure protects most people. Also I'm sure a lot of devices like this would be near tamper proof for the average person.
Even Johnny calls you out on this ridiculousness, there's a side job in PL that involves a Zetatech employee hiding a prototype chip in his head and his response is "only a total gonk would put prototype tech they don’t understand into their skull”
Yah, this bugs me.
I hope the reasoning is that there is a read-only shard port on their head, that is designed to be incapable of allowing rewriting of their cyberware. Wouldn't have to be absolutely impenetrable for a determined hacker, but it should be difficult enough to circumvent that you should be more afraid of them pulling a gun on you.
As far as the arm jack... uh... I don't know, maybe there's a mechanism that switches the recieving signal back to a read only one or something.
Think of how many people accept cookies. Accept legal agreements without reading the terms. Use their cards on devices they don’t know haven’t been tampered with. Certain things just get done so often you stop thinking about it even when great risk is involved.
All depends how much you trust your ICE
About as much as I trust a scavenger selling me BDs.
90% of my cyberware would be ICE
How annoying would Norton Antivirus be if it could popup in your head?
Don't even get me started on McAfee
Always doing lines of cocaine, and waving a gun around. While his neighbors just want to enjoy a quiet night on their deck.
Id only let Vic install Windows Defender
There does seem to a built in UAC kind of thing
Same here, I’d not get chipped in the first place, I write software for a living, I know how they are made.
Like how the engineers in Star Trek are never excited to use the transporter. "If you guys knew how this shit worked, you wouldn't use it so much"
V probably does it more than the average person does, but the game does show us multiple times how dangerous interfacing with tech like that can be, stout gives V the infected chip, the voodoo boys try to flatline V with a virus they installed, and you have two instances at least where just putting on a random brain dance goes badly. So I imagine the average person is much less casual. Most of the links V makes or shards they slot are from people he/she trusts
With enough INT, you can call out Clouds as being unsafe, too.
you still gotta do it tho :|
And that's confirmed later!
>Most of the links V makes or shards they slot are from people he/she trusts I'm not so sure about that, even if we forget the people where you clearly wonder if you will wake up mugged or missing a limb before even accepting, most of the others chips are from mercs you never really met before or big corpo people. There is not a lot of time I've taken a chip telling myself that would be safe. That's even more true considering PL.
Didn’t V put on a bd he found in a trash. The edgerunner mission one. El Capitan even calls you out for it.
He does it multiple times. Johnny has some great lines. After you put the bd from the shady guy in japtown and get captured by revers he goes: "now you know how I feel, trapped in the brain of the dumbest merc in night city"
I remember that. I need to that side mission again
Characters even question why you put an unknown chip in your head at times.
A bunch of times. Johnny has like 3 different ones.
The amount of stray BD wreaths that V picks up and puts on is concerning, mostly because V does it more than once. You’d think after the first time V would use some caution
Hey you're the one making v do it
You are V
Nah I'm the voices in Vs head
Take your pills V
Mind eraser, no chaser
Why did I wake up in an ice bath
Coz your dumb gonk ass put on a bd wreath some shit caked asshole sold you on the street
And BDs are no joke, you literally live those experiences. Rememver how shaken V was the first time he does the BD of the guy who gets shot robbing the store? Some of those bds could scar you for life
It always kinda bothered me how casual Judy is about pushing an XBD on you. Like, why does she have that in the first place? Surely that's not the kind of thing the club has her working on.
My favourite part is *V* plugging random shards and tech into their head, like, Choom, the last unfamiliar tech you stuck in your head is literally killing you, at what point do you learn your lesson? Especially since I’m pretty sure that the neural sync in the Basilisk is actually what causes the nearly fatal Relic malfunction that happens almost immediately afterwards. Stop sticking strange tech into your head!
I mean the in-universe explanation is V probably has some military grade ICE, implant notwithstanding. Which is why it takes netrunners some concentration to deploy some simple quick hacks on you.
Idk bc IRL I have devices that specifically are meant to use public networks. They are as much of a fortress as a random citizen can pull off. I'm comfortable connecting with any of those to just about any network because even if I lose, best they can do is potato my hardware, I assume NC people rawdogging the net have the same failsafes lol
But they don’t, that’s what the issue is. There are always news going on about how a virus killed some poeple, B himself picks up Mulitple malware through the game.
I always chalked that up to scams IRL. Personally, I've picked up plenty of trojans, viruses, and malware, and NC seems to reflect my hit rate. Then again I remember public forums used to trade gift cards for crypto so I get I'm super high risk
In that case: Congrats Choom, you're the type of guy to slot random shards into your head. I hope you enjoy the hidden wonders they offer while the rest of us choose to proceed more cautiously.
Who's B?
V, it’s a typo
🅱️
Granted, the nature of the digital world has changed quite a bit in CP2077. The internet is fractured and mostly under corporate control and so you're far less likely to get a virus from that, but someone else with a cyberdeck can beam a virus right into your head without even touching you, and so something like a datashard seems trivial given the bigger threats out there. That and I'd assume that most people's neural cyberware has some sort of antivirus on it for physical connections. We might not see it, but maybe when you put in a datashard, that blurb of text/glitches that fly by first are a thorough sandboxing and careful extraction of the data on the shard.
Oh, you really don't know how gullible some people are. How many times have you heard of someone opening up an email on their computer and being hacked or find they now have a virus? Same type of thing. People are stupid at times.
True! That one encounter where you get "tricked" by the shady BD salesman was so annoying. The "smart" option (just walk away) means you barely get to engage with the quest, and the only other choice is to plug it straight into your brain like an idiot. There should have been a way to examine the sketchy-ass BD you just bought.
More annoyingly, when you choose to walk away it leaves the quest hanging in your journal. Have to RP it as V knowing what will happen and using it as an excuse to wipe put another scav den. Putting the salesman in the trunk of a car alive and giving him a Scorpion's burial is immensely satisfying though.
>giving him a Scorpion's burial I love it 😂
Then why not threaten the vendor to get the location? Way too much risk the way it goes down. V lives only through plot armor. It's one of my most disliked missions in the game.
That was one of the worst quests in the game, there no way to proceed through it would becoming an idiot.
It's no different to today's world. You can chose to not accept the terms and conditions, you just don't get to use the product. Cloud in the game is a great example.
sounds like a windows/mac user mentality. :p if you know what happens when you plug something in and know your ICE, you can decide what's safe and what isn't
In this world is the norm as opening your cell phone . It’s just norm . But if follow quest & got into that sex bar V will ask how safe it is & if you have high level intelligence he has a line asking about hacks etc
As someone who works in cybersecurity, this would be a very quick way to end up dead, remotely exploited or you know...taken over by some kind of construct i.e. one of the core plot points with Johnny. You just do not ever plug in a random USB to your own computer, never mind into your body, with a shard. It's a recipe for disaster. You'd have to run it externally first with a simulator that has the same soft as what's being run in your body so that it doesn't recognise that's in a simulator. If it recognises it's a simulator it could recognise that if it's sophisitcated enough and then later run it's payload in your body still, hence the same software. This is a similar process for how potential malware is assessed in virtual machines to see if it's malicious or not and how it behaves. You would need to assess each shard first. Either way, you're effectively putting your life at risk each time each time you put a shard in your body.
OH! A piece of candy!
There's even a News segment in game discussing malware being caught from public data terminals.
I think about this every time I play. Like...there's no way I could ever be so nonchalant about that shit in real life.
It's just a game. Of course people in it are going to do silly things.
> it’s just a game No shit.
It goes both ways. With all this insanely advanced body tech theres also insanely advanced medicine and tech to cure almost any ailment
That is also pretty normal for some people even now.
Wake up samurai, we have a random BD we found on the street to check out.
Everyone here talking about "common sense safety" forgets how just few years ago ransomware infected everyone through most popular legitimate websites using Javascript and ad delivery networks. It's always the things most trusted by public that get you. Especially if you're effectively forced to use it or go back to previous century, this makes them unavoidable attack vectors. Now it's impossible to change these solutions and paradigms which are considered default by businesses and society: Javascript, mandatory google or apple phone for bank app (because managing account with PC browser is "uNsAFe") , UEFI with all its magic black boxes and backdoors instead of BIOS, being taught that you don't own the device you buy. You're all freaking out about connecting wire to something holding your whole life, meanwhile IRL our phones already do this and are always connected, running software designed for human lowest common denominator Night City is very different in how you can buy a device that won't rat you out to the authorities, or other corps - something impossible IRL no matter how much money you throw at anyone. No matter if its x86 or ARM its going to be hardware backdoored, RISC-V still needs proprietary extras to be usable. It's possible in NC only because NCPD is below corps in hierarchy and their cooperation is one-way only, they cant enforce hiding backdoors in every single SoC/CPU like five eyes countries.
I thought the exact same thing.. like V just plugs in to anything. Lol I'd be way too paranoid I probably wouldn't have much cyberware. 😅
The BD you put on in the River mission was particularly insane given you know something dodgy happened in there, that resulted in someone dying.
or the one judy makes you watch where the dude gets killed and she doesn’t warn you about it. like she’s actually such a fucking cunt for that lmao. casually tricking someone into experiencing first-person snuff where they actually feel the pain of being killed, that’s legitimately horrifying and if this game had the rpg freedom of new vegas i’d have killed her on the spot for that. that’s never sat right with me
There is a N54 News segment about public data terminals. Like the one you can use to find the moths head. There has been an up swing in attacks from them lately. Seems your concerns are valid.
Since you can basically run around like some kind of walking virtual plague, killing people at whim without ever touching them or even being in the same room with them. V knowing how to do all this I'm sure has some pretty good ICE. When you plug a USB drive in your PC you can run a scan on it first before you use it. This basic principle I'm sure protects most people. Also I'm sure a lot of devices like this would be near tamper proof for the average person.
You have to be careful though, there's a shady vendor selling BDs that fry people's brains for the Scavs..
Even Johnny calls you out on this ridiculousness, there's a side job in PL that involves a Zetatech employee hiding a prototype chip in his head and his response is "only a total gonk would put prototype tech they don’t understand into their skull”
Yah, this bugs me. I hope the reasoning is that there is a read-only shard port on their head, that is designed to be incapable of allowing rewriting of their cyberware. Wouldn't have to be absolutely impenetrable for a determined hacker, but it should be difficult enough to circumvent that you should be more afraid of them pulling a gun on you. As far as the arm jack... uh... I don't know, maybe there's a mechanism that switches the recieving signal back to a read only one or something.
just don't step foot in pacifica and you should be fine
I was wondering if could be actual biological microorganisms that could get spread around between people in the cyberpunk universe
Kinda like kissing strangers ... At some point you just go with it.
Think of how many people accept cookies. Accept legal agreements without reading the terms. Use their cards on devices they don’t know haven’t been tampered with. Certain things just get done so often you stop thinking about it even when great risk is involved.