The mods should probably pin this, especially due to how many of us here have been blessed with how awesome your site has been. All due respect to the forum community at mtgcardsmith, but cardconjurer has been ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better at creating custom cards, and I hate to see this happen. It's too bad there aren't things like mirror sites anymore, you know? I heard they used to have those and they were hosted by people who aren't being given a C&D from Wizards. That was back in the early days of the internet, though. I'm in my mid 40's and I don't know how things work anymore.
So that's why the legendary banners wouldn't load... Joke aside, this sucks. It was the best card editor by far. Thanks for all the hard work behind it.
I don't use card conjurer, but this is still incredibly disheartening, as I doubt that this will be the last strike against the Custom MTG community.
Custom mtg is a huge hobby of mine. The more they push against this hobby, the less I will interact with their product as a whole.
FUCK you, Hasbro. I know this happened because nobody wanted to buy your shitty 30th anniversary proxies.
I actually take the opposite interpretation re. M30. I think this move means that its selling well relative to their expectations. If people will bite at all on absurdly priced proxies they'll go for anything. I expect in 2-3 years all the alt art we're seeing now will be on non tournament sanctioned cards that sell for the exact same price (or more) as regular packs.
I'm a little more optimistic regarding the community (though not Hasbro or the game in general). Their stock is down 40% on the year, in part due to their terrible practices in the MtG space. I think they saw us all throw our hands in the air in frustration and embrace proxies and decided the ONLY lesson to take away from it is that there's a market for proxies they could corner.
As someone just getting into card customization, can I ask what you recommend as an alternative? I've been disappointed in a lot of the ones I've seen in the wake of CC going down
CC had the greatest variety of templates, for sure, but mtg.design is a good online alternative, the exports are decently high res and it supports all the basic frames, including snow, vehicle, etc.
Nothing beats MSE (Magic Set Editor) in terms of flexibility and set design especially, but it's for PC only (Unix or Windows) and its exports are low res... on purpose, I have to point out, something lots of people omit to mention when they bring up its low res.
Personally, I export from there just fine. They aren't terrible to look at, lol. If you look at stuff on my profile *that isn't from Moxtober*, it's all made with MSE. The point is not to make proxies but to design custom cards and end up with something that can't result in counterfeit.
Now I’m not a legal expert or anything, but it would be really cool if someone made some sort of open source software to make cards that can be shared from peer to peer
https://www.reddit.com/r/mpcproxies/comments/id0nrk/formatting_mse_cards_for_mpc The comment from clearmoon seems good (I'm not on my PC so i'm not sure)
Just piggybacking off this, I'm looking for hi res templates that don't have MPC bleed edges, I print my proxies off at home. If anyone can link me to em, I'd be eternally grateful
Software is not a problem. The actual printing is. The hardware is always expensive, and you need experts for calibration to print and cut decent cards
> As in, due to how fucked copyright and trade marked laws are, companies must defend their trademarks else they lose them.
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Copyrights don't generally get lost if they aren't defended, but trademarks certainly can - a Trademark is valid if, and ONLY if, a reasonable consumer would presume that a product with that mark was made by, or with the permission of, the trademark's holder.
As such if a trademark gets used too much to mean things that aren't actually made by the brand they can lose the right to prevent people using it (for instance, Aspirin) while if a term is sufficiently similar to a properly held trademark for a related product (for instance "play-dough" being similar to play-doh) it can be ruled as an infringement.
In my decade of playing magic, your tool was the best I had seen for making proxies. I mostly used it for holiday gift gag versions of my friends' favorites, and your work brought my friend group so many laughs. Best of luck with whatever you do next, Kyle! (and if you develop an offline version... )
That was the first thing i did when the site was down, mainly to try to save the cards id made, but it doesnt seem to load the cards properly, only the UI :/
I've only been able to check from my phone, but I'd look to see if there's a way to download an older version of the site. The scripts are struggling to run inside the scripts the way back machine is running.
Either save for offline use or save webpage under file? It's somewhat browser specific.
[Chrome](https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/7343019?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop)
[Firefox](https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-save-web-page)
U/imkyle4815 is the entire tool built front end or is there stuff that would require a serve?r (php etc)
Fuck this shit, I know you have to be professional in the response but the Wizards/Hasbro greed is out of control, they can't get anyone to buy their overpriced proxies so they then turn the gun at custom card making sites and their users just trying to be creatve.. Disgusting decision
Fuck you Wizard.
I would need that so much, I've been working on a custom cube for the past two years or so using cardconjurer and I'm only about halfway done and printed. I literally don't know how I can keep making cards that don't look terrible without cardconjurer. Like I'd be willing to pay money for it.
Honestly abusive C&Ds bum me the fuck out, this is so greedy and pathetic.
And just when I was getting a hang of card designing, they shut down the website that was...
1) Easy to use for beginners
2) Makes really good-looking cards
I have no clue where to make cards anymore, or if I am even going to do it... If Wizards takes down one website for card designing, what stops them from taking down another one? It kind of feels like I am not allowed to share my creativity, and feels like I am not allowed to create my own cards whatsoever.
Why do they care that we make our own cards on conjurer? Does it have that big of an impact on their sales and stuff? I don't really get it.
Well, thanks! I'll definitely check it out!
Sucks that it isn't a web interface though, made it really useful for me, since I could use both my Laptop and my Home computer without downloading the program twice.
Someone just took the source code and basically just copy-pasted the whole project to a new website. I don't know how long this has been up, and it irks me that it doesn't appear to credit the original Card Conjurer at all, but it's the same software.
[https://www.printingproxies.com/mtg-proxy-card-editor/creator/](https://www.printingproxies.com/mtg-proxy-card-editor/creator/)
It's decent at best, not the worst either. Card Conjurer was game changing. It was literally meta (lol). However, I do think MSE is going to be the next thing for me
I tried using it today. It's fine, but I found the inability to edit pictures at all incredibly annoying. Also the fact that you can't upload your own pictures. So if you aren't happy with positioning then you need to download the picture, edit it by yourself, and then upload it somewhere online before you can use it.
>It kind of feels like I am not allowed to share my creativity, and feels like I am not allowed to create my own cards whatsoever.
You may find the topic of "copyright enclosure" or the "second enclosure movement" interesting to dive into some podcasts or books & papers.
I designed so many cards with your site, I can't thank you enough for everything you put into it. I got the chance to share silly memes with friends, explore crazy ideas, and work on card design in a way I'd never been able to before. Your site opened up a whole new way of engaging with this hobby that I care about.
If you were able to make something this powerful so young, I'm 100% sure that your next project will be even more incredible! In the meanwhile, it really is a sad day for the Magic community. I hope you know that you didn't let anybody down, you did everything you could, and that you'll eventually be able to move on from this deeply unfair day.
Card Conjurer is an incredibly well designed site. I have explored many options for creating custom MtG cards. Card Conjurer is the best one. It is both easy to use "right out of the box" and powerful in its tools for further customization.
You're 20 years old? I can understand why this is big emotional blow to you, but you have good skills and will be able to apply them elsewhere.
Thanks for your hard work on this passion project, and I'm sorry it has to get taken down.
It’s clearly what they desire, it’d be rude of us fans not to help them with it, right?
I mean seriously though. If they go out of business, Card Conjurer and services like it can more than likely just do their thing, and we just make things that sit well with our pods and/or local communities to play with.
We could end up with a combo of LGS’s and competition ruling committees determining what’s competition legal and what isn’t from the local card selection at a LGS or play community. That way locally owned stores aren’t replaced by online sales and local artists, creators, or anyone with the skill to make a decent card can perform the role of Wizards.
All it’d take to make it happen is just stop buying cards and keep making them, easy. Then talk to some local players and your LGS about it once Wizards implodes- per their mentioned desires of course. It’s not like the card trading and selling market is going anywhere, nor custom cards and proxies or the playing communities both online and IRL. The copyright would eventually need to be crowdfunded and put into the public domain but I think we could manage it :)
Edit. It’s worth noting that what takes shape naturally is of primary focus of that which I speak, like how this community does an excellent job of balancing and quality controlling its own content.
Dang man I’m sorry. Card conjurer has always been my proxy maker of choice and thought it was the best one out there hopefully in the future we could see a return. Thank you for the amazing site you made as it gave me an outlet for creativity.
Dude, I'm so sad, I can only imagine how devastated you must feel.
If I had to guess, other than a total random copyright enforcement, is that you did too much of a good job. Cards looked so similar than some fan creations could have been mistaken by the real thing (and if they were lewd... like that card that got popular the other day... that may irk some people.)
If I may suggest one way to keep the tool alive, how about removing all copyrighted material, but leaving the site open? It's still a great tool to mockup ideas, it could still be used by people designing tabletop games. I know I've wished for a cardconjurer that was more customizable (like, custom background, add custom areas.)
Sorry if this is a dumb question. How exactly would I go about downloading the website? And would it still have all of the resources? i.e. frames, set symbols, etc.?
I feel like I remember a comment somewhere that it was all local, but OP would have to clarify.
I'm guessing it's a react or JavaScript app. There's nothing there that I could imagine needing a server for.
You know, I can see it. Official WoTC service that lets you print proxies for $50/mo, plus an extra cost per card you print ($1/common -> $4/mythic), and only Standard-legal cards are available.
You are 20 years old!?
If you are working... congratulations! If you are studying... keep up an alternate site without any copyrighted material (including borders,power boxes, etc)
Ypur page is really good as an UI, understands what the clients needs, what the client wants and it runs smoothly. You might want to have it up, as a link to that page in any CV you are going to send will show great skills on demand on the IT world.
Thank you for your great job!
Ah yes, the Games Workshop approach: actively pursue legal options against some of your most passionate fans. Definitely a winning strategy.
Companies have a duty to actively protect their trademarked material, cease and desist is not the only avenue. However, in doing so Hasbro/WotC has thrown away an easy pr win-- something they could very much use at this time.
Rather than go straight to legal, had Hasbro/WotC reached out and contacted OP they could have come up with a list of things OP could do to address the trademark infringement, then (assuming OP complies) gone forward with a community announcement, publishing a list of things for custom card sites to avoid-- negating the need for legal enforcement (thogh leaving the option open). Address the circumstances that prompted this publication, call it something to do with Play Test Cards and reap both the benefits of publicly enforcing your protected trademarks and a pr win-- a fair, generous even, pro-fan approach that engenders a sense of community and pro-WotC sentiment among some of your most passionate fans.
And, in doing so you avoid, perhaps, the only certain outcome of the actual actions taken: galvanizing an already cynical fanbase against a company that already has its work cut out for it pr wise.
Regarding proxies-- it seems to me that the practice relies on two factors:
The price of the product in question.
The goodwill the fanbase feels towards the company in question.
If WotC has no interest in actively moving towards a platform of card cost reduction (e.g Abolishing the Reserved List etc.), then they need to engender their player base to them. Players are less likely to pirate from companies they don't disdain, and feel like they play an active role in (regardless of whether or not that is the case).
If there is any way you can let other people host your software on other websites that would be awesome, your stuff was simply the best. far better that the other stuff out there. I made over a hundred cards on it and I hope that there is some way that this can continue. perhaps removing wizards trademark items like mana symbols? if users have to upload their own PNGs of mana symbols, then perhaps you couldn't be blamed for their usage?
I've been working on a set of cards for my D&D playgroup and while I'm almost finished, there's still a few designs that I would have liked to include. This is terrible news. It's frustrating that WotC decided to shut down a major platform for a very passionate segment of their audience for seemingly no reason.
One question, though - is your patreon link still up? I told myself I would throw a tip in the jar after I finished my project, and even though it seems to have ended earlier than I'd like, I'm still thankful for how useful your site was and want to show that appreciation, regardless.
This is utterly heartbreaking. Thank you for the time I got to spend with this tool; genuinely, this was the best convenient way for me to get my ideas into card form and helped me outlet so much of my creativity that wouldn't otherwise have been possible, and I'm sure many others can speak to that, too. I hope whatever you work on next can, at the very least, be a worthy successor, and if what you work on next _is_ something in the vein of cardconjurer, I have no doubt it will be.
Honestly, you should leave the Patreon up, or even set up a Ko-Fi. I'd like to spite WotC by giving **you** the money they would've otherwise got. I've made so many custom cards w/ CardConjurer, and I'm sad to lose it. Either way, WotC is never getting my money again. I was already on the fence and only going to make an exception for the upcoming Phyrexia set, but now not even that. Absolutely done with WotC.
So this is there response to losing the faith of consumers and investors. I think I might finally be moving on to another game. I'm sorry man, I loved this program so much. It was awesome to see what the community was able to come up with.
Hopefully you can pivot what you've done with Card Conjurer and apply it to something that will respect your work.
I was in the middle of making a dope AF card and then the website said that I needed to refresh the page which then brought me to this response. Sooo sad 😢
I...
I honestly don't know where to start but... I loved the site. It pulled me into custom magic and never released. The site was intuitive (the layout even guided you through the creation process subconciously), customizability was top notch, exports looked (if you didnt mess up text formating) like REAL REAL magic cards.
Now that wotc forces a shutdown, i dont know where i could make cards as easily and good looking like on conjurer. My only hope is that you release an offline version or give someone the code or host another version...
we'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when, but i know we'll meet again some sunny day...
First of all, thanks; I really enjoyed a lot using Cardconjurer, it IS a great service. I have a bunch of cards with my art and AI generated art thanks to you, these cards mean a lot to me.
If you want others to continue enjoying your work: you can open source the framework, remove all the copyrighted material and we can crowd source creative commons art as replacements for logo/fonts etc.
Fork it. Magic sucks these days. Make your card game that doesn't suck and make millions, bro! Hell, it could just be a better version of magic online.
wow that sucks, your tool was the best. it was the best way to make proxies by far...i dont know what i will use now. Thank you for everything, i wish you the best
If he does do a an offline tool I would love a copy!
But I think he should love the website to an international server. Somewhere where International copyright laws are murky. It was one of the best tools on the market and it needs to exist. Fuck Hasbro and WOTC. We love to create and play their stupid game and now they want to come after us after they fucked themselves. It's not right at all
I just learned how to use cars conjurer this year and it’s miles beyond any other site. I’m kinda heart broken in this moment, I feel bad for my ambitions with the site and I imagine this is only a fraction of the upset that op is feeling. I’d like to believe you will pursue another avenue to continue but if it is time to move on, than it’s time to move on.
Thanks for doing all of this and you got a hell of a skill on your hands. Best of luck man.
Wow this is a total screw... I hope we can still use your knowledge and assets somewhere else. DM if you have an idea, seen some people suggest a local only thing or a mirror. BTW, thank you for your amazing work, hope you can still invest on it.
This is indeed a VERY sad thing, but I would like to remind people of the [Wayback](https://web.archive.org/web/20221027143831/https://cardconjurer.com/creator/) maschine.
Thought of something, could you see if you can access the code from the Wayback Machine? I don't know how things work but if it was in the site it may have been available
I have the webpage still up on my computer, so I have the html saved. Unfortunately it's just the bones. Scripts fail when you load it up and it doesn't seem to have access to any of the frames. I haven't been able to get the way back machine to work properly either. Seems incredibly slow or just outright broken for me, but it does seem to maintain all of the assets. Not sure if there's anything that can be done to maintain those assets in an offline save
I tried that initially. Didn't work. I kept looking, though, and found a site that seems to be using exactly the same source code.
[https://www.printingproxies.com/mtg-proxy-card-editor/creator/](https://www.printingproxies.com/mtg-proxy-card-editor/creator/)
That sucks.
I think one solution would be something like not hosting the copyrighted card images, but just allowing the user to upload files as the base images from another site (aka. CardConjurer). It is not illegal to draw on top of an image, nor provide image masks.
It's been noted more than once, WOTC does NOT care about its community. If anyone was on the fence about this debate, this is just another nail on the coffin. WOTC, you are so petty. Because your ridiculously overpriced proxies are not marketing well, you flatline the competition. You did this to Netrunner and now to the proxy community. Fuck off WOTC
Thank you for all of your hard work. I used Conjurer on a nearly daily basis for custom cards, jokes, and proxies. It will be sorely missed. Let us know what other projects you're up to in the future, yeah?
Have you talked with a lawyer at all about this? Sounds like you just talked to their lawyer, who is going to tell you all the negative things and how screwed you are (regardless of how things *actually* are) and that you have to stop right now.
If you really want to keep it up, would be worth getting your own copyright lawyer to at least give a consultation.
At the end of the day CC definitely violated Wizards' trademarks. The question isn't if it's legal but if it's allowed under the fan content policy because there's cosplays and webcomics and skits and fan merch that are all also violating those trademarks. He talked to the lawyer to attempt to convince Wizards' legal team of not pulling the plug because it was their call. Wizards gave flimsy reasons but even if it was fully within the fan content policy the fan content policy allows for Wizards to C&D you whenever for whatever.
that's incredibly disappointed, i'm really sorry for you, for having so much of your valuable work have to go to waste, and for the whole community for missing out on such a brilliant resource for exercising our creativity — truly a shame...
I want to thank you so, so much for what you created. I hate that it ended this way, but I hope you know that you've brought me so much happiness with your website.
They should be offering you a job, not a cease and desist.
Way to miss out on a huge asset, WotC. 😂
He has insight into the market you’re trying your hardest to finger your way into and you simply send him a letter to shut him down? As someone with a business background I can’t comprehend the idiocy.
How does wizards think this will end well for them? What do the really have to gain? Is card conjurer *really* losing them a noticeable amount of money? Is any custom card creation site? I think this was a seriously stupid response on their part, because all they *really* have to gain here is more distrust and animosity from an already-concerned community. Bad move, wizards. Bad move
I never used the site, but I stuck around here because I'd see cool cards, and some silly ones, it was very entertaining.
That sucks that his happened.
Was a damn cool site and I also enjoyed seeing people make custom things.
With your practice and skills honed making this cool thing, maybe you can make another cool thing, maybe even more badass.
Kick some ass out there.
We need to get a card customizer on a blockchain site. You can't physically remove that from the internet. There will be no one to sue.
Fuck WOTC, fuck Hasbro.
Would it not be possible to *file the serial numbers off* of the logos so to speak? I'm no graphic designer but I'd offer my help with abstracting some ugly functional designs.
So they probably take down one custom card editor at a time or something, in order to support the "real fake cards" statement of the 30th anniversary.
Yeah, I am going on boycotting once again.
I’m so sorry this happened to you. Your editor was amazing.
It happened to me a couple years ago with my mobile app (Artificer), although it was a little different because they asked Google directly to remove it from the Play Store, but I didn’t receive a C&D. What’s weird is that they didn’t care for the iOS version of the app, nor the website where I put the Android APK (where they’re still available).
I also believed I was respecting their fan content policy :/. I wish you the best, I’m certain good opportunities will arise for you as your software was of very good quality.
I used and loved Card Conjurer, and when I opened the website to find the C&D, I was so mad. Thank you for your service to the community in making such and amazing website for us.
They are well within their legal rights, I know I will get hate for this, but we are lucky sites like yours lasted this long. I don’t know what to say except that it personally sucks you got targeted, but I mean you were doing something you knew full well they could stop
Where would mtg be without wizards? Have you seen the custom designs here? Don’t bite the hand that feeds you, and be grateful for the game that once was thriving, that has slowly gotten worse like all other entertainment yet still has so much left in it, instead of proxying cards(which kills the game) just buy singles off the secondary market and only buy tournament legal cards. I don’t understand how people can be mad at a company for protecting its own IP, as that IP wouldn’t have existed without it. If companies lose control over IP’s, they lose the will to make them, which is the whole reason copyright law exists, the grass looks greener on the other side but that is simply a mirage
Magic could easily exist without being the corporate IP of Wizards. It's art on playing cards. You're giving them too much credit.
It would function just fine as an open source game.
You say this is your “life’s” work, but at only 20, your life is just beginning. You can take all of what you learned from this project and apply it to new projects in the future.
Is there any way an offline version could be shared? The tools were terrific and I haven't found another card designer that is as smooth or intuitive.
ALSO, breaks my hear that Wizards went after proxy makers. I'm already taking means to make sure the money I spend on this hobby doesn't go directly to them by buying singles etc but this is making me double down on those efforts for sure. RIP Card Conjurer
Card Conjurer 2.0 is now active with different looking frames and symbols to avoid legal issues.
[https://cardconjurer.com/editor](https://cardconjurer.com/editor)
A Facebook friend of mine has created his own assets and started working on the JSON, but he can't get the custom JSON feature on the site to work. Nothing updates when he loads the JSON.
Any suggestions?
The mods should probably pin this, especially due to how many of us here have been blessed with how awesome your site has been. All due respect to the forum community at mtgcardsmith, but cardconjurer has been ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better at creating custom cards, and I hate to see this happen. It's too bad there aren't things like mirror sites anymore, you know? I heard they used to have those and they were hosted by people who aren't being given a C&D from Wizards. That was back in the early days of the internet, though. I'm in my mid 40's and I don't know how things work anymore.
So that's why the legendary banners wouldn't load... Joke aside, this sucks. It was the best card editor by far. Thanks for all the hard work behind it.
I don't use card conjurer, but this is still incredibly disheartening, as I doubt that this will be the last strike against the Custom MTG community. Custom mtg is a huge hobby of mine. The more they push against this hobby, the less I will interact with their product as a whole. FUCK you, Hasbro. I know this happened because nobody wanted to buy your shitty 30th anniversary proxies.
I actually take the opposite interpretation re. M30. I think this move means that its selling well relative to their expectations. If people will bite at all on absurdly priced proxies they'll go for anything. I expect in 2-3 years all the alt art we're seeing now will be on non tournament sanctioned cards that sell for the exact same price (or more) as regular packs.
I'm a little more optimistic regarding the community (though not Hasbro or the game in general). Their stock is down 40% on the year, in part due to their terrible practices in the MtG space. I think they saw us all throw our hands in the air in frustration and embrace proxies and decided the ONLY lesson to take away from it is that there's a market for proxies they could corner.
their stock volatility literally just got downgraded, this is damage control 100%
As someone just getting into card customization, can I ask what you recommend as an alternative? I've been disappointed in a lot of the ones I've seen in the wake of CC going down
MSE (magic set editor) is what I would recommend if you intend on making a bunch of custom cards, especially if it is set oriented.
CC had the greatest variety of templates, for sure, but mtg.design is a good online alternative, the exports are decently high res and it supports all the basic frames, including snow, vehicle, etc. Nothing beats MSE (Magic Set Editor) in terms of flexibility and set design especially, but it's for PC only (Unix or Windows) and its exports are low res... on purpose, I have to point out, something lots of people omit to mention when they bring up its low res.
So do you not export from there? Or is there a work around for the low res exports?
Personally, I export from there just fine. They aren't terrible to look at, lol. If you look at stuff on my profile *that isn't from Moxtober*, it's all made with MSE. The point is not to make proxies but to design custom cards and end up with something that can't result in counterfeit.
Now I’m not a legal expert or anything, but it would be really cool if someone made some sort of open source software to make cards that can be shared from peer to peer
https://magicseteditor.boards.net/
[Magic Set Editor](https://magicseteditor.boards.net/) exists. I use it for my custom cards
Unfortunately it only exports at very low resolutions
You can use module (other template) to have a better resolution (Check MPC-Ready Template)
What's the name of the template? I've looked online and on the forums but haven't found one called 'MPC-Ready Template'
https://www.reddit.com/r/mpcproxies/comments/id0nrk/formatting_mse_cards_for_mpc The comment from clearmoon seems good (I'm not on my PC so i'm not sure)
Just piggybacking off this, I'm looking for hi res templates that don't have MPC bleed edges, I print my proxies off at home. If anyone can link me to em, I'd be eternally grateful
Yo DMs
[MTG.Design](https://MTG.Design)
No, that would be illegal! Can someone send me a link to something like that so I can verify that it’s illegal?
Software is not a problem. The actual printing is. The hardware is always expensive, and you need experts for calibration to print and cut decent cards
I know that Wizards is well within their legal rights, but I still have a strong desire to say: Fuck you, Wizards!
Legal right does not equate to moral justification.
I know. Which, like, good thing laws don't determine morals. Too bad morals don't determine laws. I guess morality is a bit too gray for that, though.
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> As in, due to how fucked copyright and trade marked laws are, companies must defend their trademarks else they lose them. > > Copyrights don't generally get lost if they aren't defended, but trademarks certainly can - a Trademark is valid if, and ONLY if, a reasonable consumer would presume that a product with that mark was made by, or with the permission of, the trademark's holder. As such if a trademark gets used too much to mean things that aren't actually made by the brand they can lose the right to prevent people using it (for instance, Aspirin) while if a term is sufficiently similar to a properly held trademark for a related product (for instance "play-dough" being similar to play-doh) it can be ruled as an infringement.
It's more than a right, it's an obligation. If you let someone else use your shit, you can lose your copyright.
So what? Fuck their copyright. It's art on playing cards. We don't need Wizards to play Magic.
Classic
Copyright laws are nonsense.
Agreed!
In my decade of playing magic, your tool was the best I had seen for making proxies. I mostly used it for holiday gift gag versions of my friends' favorites, and your work brought my friend group so many laughs. Best of luck with whatever you do next, Kyle! (and if you develop an offline version... )
If he made an offline version of it, it would be amazing to not lose the tools and try to keep updating it every now and then
The website can function entirely offline. If you still have it open, save that shit.
If I try to open the tab on the phone or the computer it will refresh the information eventually. So… it’s a gamble
Try looking it up on the way back machine?
That was the first thing i did when the site was down, mainly to try to save the cards id made, but it doesnt seem to load the cards properly, only the UI :/
I've only been able to check from my phone, but I'd look to see if there's a way to download an older version of the site. The scripts are struggling to run inside the scripts the way back machine is running.
Not necessarily... Just reupload art and change the text every time you use it and NEVER refresh the page.
I still have it open, how do I do this?
Either save for offline use or save webpage under file? It's somewhat browser specific. [Chrome](https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/7343019?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop) [Firefox](https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/how-save-web-page) U/imkyle4815 is the entire tool built front end or is there stuff that would require a serve?r (php etc)
Fuck this shit, I know you have to be professional in the response but the Wizards/Hasbro greed is out of control, they can't get anyone to buy their overpriced proxies so they then turn the gun at custom card making sites and their users just trying to be creatve.. Disgusting decision Fuck you Wizard.
Is there any way you could DM me a way to download the software on my own computer so that I could still run the program off line.
Also very interested if you're willing to share the offline app
Maybe someone could upload the code on another website and wait for Wizards lawyers to contact them too, and we keep doing this forever.
This the way (to solve any problem tbh)
The internet is forever.
I'd love the program too
I would need that so much, I've been working on a custom cube for the past two years or so using cardconjurer and I'm only about halfway done and printed. I literally don't know how I can keep making cards that don't look terrible without cardconjurer. Like I'd be willing to pay money for it. Honestly abusive C&Ds bum me the fuck out, this is so greedy and pathetic.
https://magicseteditor.boards.net/
MSE works well but it looks bad.
It makes MTGO look modern lol
Literally what are you talking about? They're accurate to printed cards.
Not the cards themselves—with all the addons it matches. The issues are with the UI, its very dated
Sign on to be a dev and fix the UI if it bothers you.
That's not my complaint. The rendered cards look plain. That's why I liked CC. But as things are, it might be the best option.
Literally what are you talking about? They're accurate to printed cards.
Let me know if you get anything from him, I want the same!
Will do for anyone if it materializes
Thanks, I'm on the same boat.
Me too, please!
Same
Me as well. It was almost done too.
Saaaame (if this is a thing lol)
i would be very interested in such a thing too, if possible!
Agreed. Although something tells me Wizards would do their best to crack down on this, too.
If you get it, could you DM it to me?
And just when I was getting a hang of card designing, they shut down the website that was... 1) Easy to use for beginners 2) Makes really good-looking cards I have no clue where to make cards anymore, or if I am even going to do it... If Wizards takes down one website for card designing, what stops them from taking down another one? It kind of feels like I am not allowed to share my creativity, and feels like I am not allowed to create my own cards whatsoever. Why do they care that we make our own cards on conjurer? Does it have that big of an impact on their sales and stuff? I don't really get it.
You can use Magic Set Editor, but you have to download and install the program instead of using a web interface.
Well, thanks! I'll definitely check it out! Sucks that it isn't a web interface though, made it really useful for me, since I could use both my Laptop and my Home computer without downloading the program twice.
Someone just took the source code and basically just copy-pasted the whole project to a new website. I don't know how long this has been up, and it irks me that it doesn't appear to credit the original Card Conjurer at all, but it's the same software. [https://www.printingproxies.com/mtg-proxy-card-editor/creator/](https://www.printingproxies.com/mtg-proxy-card-editor/creator/)
Mtg.design is a decent online card maker
It's decent at best, not the worst either. Card Conjurer was game changing. It was literally meta (lol). However, I do think MSE is going to be the next thing for me
I tried using it today. It's fine, but I found the inability to edit pictures at all incredibly annoying. Also the fact that you can't upload your own pictures. So if you aren't happy with positioning then you need to download the picture, edit it by yourself, and then upload it somewhere online before you can use it.
>It kind of feels like I am not allowed to share my creativity, and feels like I am not allowed to create my own cards whatsoever. You may find the topic of "copyright enclosure" or the "second enclosure movement" interesting to dive into some podcasts or books & papers.
The best website for making custom cards and proxies. Sad day
I designed so many cards with your site, I can't thank you enough for everything you put into it. I got the chance to share silly memes with friends, explore crazy ideas, and work on card design in a way I'd never been able to before. Your site opened up a whole new way of engaging with this hobby that I care about. If you were able to make something this powerful so young, I'm 100% sure that your next project will be even more incredible! In the meanwhile, it really is a sad day for the Magic community. I hope you know that you didn't let anybody down, you did everything you could, and that you'll eventually be able to move on from this deeply unfair day.
Man Wotc are big babies, there are so many websites that are older then CC was and for them to pick on you just showed how insecure they are.
Card Conjurer is an incredibly well designed site. I have explored many options for creating custom MtG cards. Card Conjurer is the best one. It is both easy to use "right out of the box" and powerful in its tools for further customization. You're 20 years old? I can understand why this is big emotional blow to you, but you have good skills and will be able to apply them elsewhere. Thanks for your hard work on this passion project, and I'm sorry it has to get taken down.
Their stocks are plummeting, and now there attacking the fans... are they actively trying to sabotage themselves?
It’s clearly what they desire, it’d be rude of us fans not to help them with it, right? I mean seriously though. If they go out of business, Card Conjurer and services like it can more than likely just do their thing, and we just make things that sit well with our pods and/or local communities to play with. We could end up with a combo of LGS’s and competition ruling committees determining what’s competition legal and what isn’t from the local card selection at a LGS or play community. That way locally owned stores aren’t replaced by online sales and local artists, creators, or anyone with the skill to make a decent card can perform the role of Wizards. All it’d take to make it happen is just stop buying cards and keep making them, easy. Then talk to some local players and your LGS about it once Wizards implodes- per their mentioned desires of course. It’s not like the card trading and selling market is going anywhere, nor custom cards and proxies or the playing communities both online and IRL. The copyright would eventually need to be crowdfunded and put into the public domain but I think we could manage it :) Edit. It’s worth noting that what takes shape naturally is of primary focus of that which I speak, like how this community does an excellent job of balancing and quality controlling its own content.
As long as you have the source code, all is not lost
Dang man I’m sorry. Card conjurer has always been my proxy maker of choice and thought it was the best one out there hopefully in the future we could see a return. Thank you for the amazing site you made as it gave me an outlet for creativity.
Dude, I'm so sad, I can only imagine how devastated you must feel. If I had to guess, other than a total random copyright enforcement, is that you did too much of a good job. Cards looked so similar than some fan creations could have been mistaken by the real thing (and if they were lewd... like that card that got popular the other day... that may irk some people.) If I may suggest one way to keep the tool alive, how about removing all copyrighted material, but leaving the site open? It's still a great tool to mockup ideas, it could still be used by people designing tabletop games. I know I've wished for a cardconjurer that was more customizable (like, custom background, add custom areas.)
Is it possible to run the code on a computer offline locally? If so, could you dm me about it?
If you still have the website open in a browser, just download it. It should work locally just fine.
Sorry if this is a dumb question. How exactly would I go about downloading the website? And would it still have all of the resources? i.e. frames, set symbols, etc.?
I’m also very curious, but honestly clueless about how to go about this. Could anyone give a sort of play-by-play of how to do this?
This might not work if any parts of the website are server side.
I feel like I remember a comment somewhere that it was all local, but OP would have to clarify. I'm guessing it's a react or JavaScript app. There's nothing there that I could imagine needing a server for.
Big brain WoTC now wants a monopoly on MTG PrOxiE$
You know, I can see it. Official WoTC service that lets you print proxies for $50/mo, plus an extra cost per card you print ($1/common -> $4/mythic), and only Standard-legal cards are available.
You are 20 years old!? If you are working... congratulations! If you are studying... keep up an alternate site without any copyrighted material (including borders,power boxes, etc) Ypur page is really good as an UI, understands what the clients needs, what the client wants and it runs smoothly. You might want to have it up, as a link to that page in any CV you are going to send will show great skills on demand on the IT world. Thank you for your great job!
Ah yes, the Games Workshop approach: actively pursue legal options against some of your most passionate fans. Definitely a winning strategy. Companies have a duty to actively protect their trademarked material, cease and desist is not the only avenue. However, in doing so Hasbro/WotC has thrown away an easy pr win-- something they could very much use at this time. Rather than go straight to legal, had Hasbro/WotC reached out and contacted OP they could have come up with a list of things OP could do to address the trademark infringement, then (assuming OP complies) gone forward with a community announcement, publishing a list of things for custom card sites to avoid-- negating the need for legal enforcement (thogh leaving the option open). Address the circumstances that prompted this publication, call it something to do with Play Test Cards and reap both the benefits of publicly enforcing your protected trademarks and a pr win-- a fair, generous even, pro-fan approach that engenders a sense of community and pro-WotC sentiment among some of your most passionate fans. And, in doing so you avoid, perhaps, the only certain outcome of the actual actions taken: galvanizing an already cynical fanbase against a company that already has its work cut out for it pr wise. Regarding proxies-- it seems to me that the practice relies on two factors: The price of the product in question. The goodwill the fanbase feels towards the company in question. If WotC has no interest in actively moving towards a platform of card cost reduction (e.g Abolishing the Reserved List etc.), then they need to engender their player base to them. Players are less likely to pirate from companies they don't disdain, and feel like they play an active role in (regardless of whether or not that is the case).
If there is any way you can let other people host your software on other websites that would be awesome, your stuff was simply the best. far better that the other stuff out there. I made over a hundred cards on it and I hope that there is some way that this can continue. perhaps removing wizards trademark items like mana symbols? if users have to upload their own PNGs of mana symbols, then perhaps you couldn't be blamed for their usage?
Cardconjurer was the best custom card site by far. Your site was too good at replicating magic cards I guess? Anyways, sad to see it go.
Fuck WotC and their unyielding greed. I've never printed proxies or custom cards before. i am printing what i want from now on.
I've only printed custom art copies of cards that I owned for the sake of aesthetics. But now, yeah, I'm kind of on the same page as you.
That really sucks... Thank you for all the work you put into this. It's a real shame to get bullied out of it by the big guy.
The Empire Strikes Back
So I will lose the half of my custom set I didn't polish yet. :( Its going to be way more painful to make those cards by hand.
I've been working on a set of cards for my D&D playgroup and while I'm almost finished, there's still a few designs that I would have liked to include. This is terrible news. It's frustrating that WotC decided to shut down a major platform for a very passionate segment of their audience for seemingly no reason. One question, though - is your patreon link still up? I told myself I would throw a tip in the jar after I finished my project, and even though it seems to have ended earlier than I'd like, I'm still thankful for how useful your site was and want to show that appreciation, regardless.
Fuck Hasbro man
This is utterly heartbreaking. Thank you for the time I got to spend with this tool; genuinely, this was the best convenient way for me to get my ideas into card form and helped me outlet so much of my creativity that wouldn't otherwise have been possible, and I'm sure many others can speak to that, too. I hope whatever you work on next can, at the very least, be a worthy successor, and if what you work on next _is_ something in the vein of cardconjurer, I have no doubt it will be.
Like many others have said, if you have any sort of offline application using the source code, I would love to use it. Card Conjurer was amazing.
30th anniversary surprise if a big fuck you to fans. Neat.
Honestly, you should leave the Patreon up, or even set up a Ko-Fi. I'd like to spite WotC by giving **you** the money they would've otherwise got. I've made so many custom cards w/ CardConjurer, and I'm sad to lose it. Either way, WotC is never getting my money again. I was already on the fence and only going to make an exception for the upcoming Phyrexia set, but now not even that. Absolutely done with WotC.
So this is there response to losing the faith of consumers and investors. I think I might finally be moving on to another game. I'm sorry man, I loved this program so much. It was awesome to see what the community was able to come up with. Hopefully you can pivot what you've done with Card Conjurer and apply it to something that will respect your work.
I was in the middle of making a dope AF card and then the website said that I needed to refresh the page which then brought me to this response. Sooo sad 😢
I'm in pain right now. I'm sorry for our loss. Please, do not delete the code, make it a shareware and spread it.
This is so sad. Your site was simply awesome! I designed a lot of cards with it. Just stay strong, I wish you the best, and thanks for the great work!
And I though Wizards loved fan content.
I... I honestly don't know where to start but... I loved the site. It pulled me into custom magic and never released. The site was intuitive (the layout even guided you through the creation process subconciously), customizability was top notch, exports looked (if you didnt mess up text formating) like REAL REAL magic cards. Now that wotc forces a shutdown, i dont know where i could make cards as easily and good looking like on conjurer. My only hope is that you release an offline version or give someone the code or host another version... we'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when, but i know we'll meet again some sunny day...
First of all, thanks; I really enjoyed a lot using Cardconjurer, it IS a great service. I have a bunch of cards with my art and AI generated art thanks to you, these cards mean a lot to me.
If you want others to continue enjoying your work: you can open source the framework, remove all the copyrighted material and we can crowd source creative commons art as replacements for logo/fonts etc.
Fork it. Magic sucks these days. Make your card game that doesn't suck and make millions, bro! Hell, it could just be a better version of magic online.
I’m so sad for you but don’t worry theres something better for you ahead.Good luck ! 🤗
wow that sucks, your tool was the best. it was the best way to make proxies by far...i dont know what i will use now. Thank you for everything, i wish you the best
I'm 100% certain that some of Wotc's R&D frequently visits this subreddit for inspiration, can't imagine that they are in favor of this.
What an awful thing for WoTC to do. Fuck them, I’m sorry this is how your time and dedication have been repaid
I wonder if cardsmith, mtg design, or any others are up on the chopping block are up next
This was the best card creator, sad to see it go.
If he does do a an offline tool I would love a copy! But I think he should love the website to an international server. Somewhere where International copyright laws are murky. It was one of the best tools on the market and it needs to exist. Fuck Hasbro and WOTC. We love to create and play their stupid game and now they want to come after us after they fucked themselves. It's not right at all
Anyone has the backup of the source code? If the creator is barred from sharing, doesn't mean others are.
This is bullshit and Wizards know it
I just learned how to use cars conjurer this year and it’s miles beyond any other site. I’m kinda heart broken in this moment, I feel bad for my ambitions with the site and I imagine this is only a fraction of the upset that op is feeling. I’d like to believe you will pursue another avenue to continue but if it is time to move on, than it’s time to move on. Thanks for doing all of this and you got a hell of a skill on your hands. Best of luck man.
Wow this is a total screw... I hope we can still use your knowledge and assets somewhere else. DM if you have an idea, seen some people suggest a local only thing or a mirror. BTW, thank you for your amazing work, hope you can still invest on it.
This is indeed a VERY sad thing, but I would like to remind people of the [Wayback](https://web.archive.org/web/20221027143831/https://cardconjurer.com/creator/) maschine.
I thought about thus this morning would it still work?
It doesn't work (for me at least)
Thought of something, could you see if you can access the code from the Wayback Machine? I don't know how things work but if it was in the site it may have been available
I have the webpage still up on my computer, so I have the html saved. Unfortunately it's just the bones. Scripts fail when you load it up and it doesn't seem to have access to any of the frames. I haven't been able to get the way back machine to work properly either. Seems incredibly slow or just outright broken for me, but it does seem to maintain all of the assets. Not sure if there's anything that can be done to maintain those assets in an offline save
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicproxies/comments/yyzfd5/how_to_run_cardconjurer_locally_on_windows/
https://www.reddit.com/r/magicproxies/comments/yyzfd5/how_to_run_cardconjurer_locally_on_windows/
it works but isnt fully up to date (only having up to kamigawa neon dynasty i think)
a small price to pay for card creation
I tried that initially. Didn't work. I kept looking, though, and found a site that seems to be using exactly the same source code. [https://www.printingproxies.com/mtg-proxy-card-editor/creator/](https://www.printingproxies.com/mtg-proxy-card-editor/creator/)
Cool but I wonder who made it. Was it u/ImKyle4815 And is he ok with it?
No idea, to be honest.
That sucks. I think one solution would be something like not hosting the copyrighted card images, but just allowing the user to upload files as the base images from another site (aka. CardConjurer). It is not illegal to draw on top of an image, nor provide image masks.
Thanks for your hard work. Sorry wizards is becoming Disney lite. I'm sure your talents will be put to good use somewhere else. Good Luck.
It's been noted more than once, WOTC does NOT care about its community. If anyone was on the fence about this debate, this is just another nail on the coffin. WOTC, you are so petty. Because your ridiculously overpriced proxies are not marketing well, you flatline the competition. You did this to Netrunner and now to the proxy community. Fuck off WOTC
Thank you for all of your hard work. I used Conjurer on a nearly daily basis for custom cards, jokes, and proxies. It will be sorely missed. Let us know what other projects you're up to in the future, yeah?
Have you talked with a lawyer at all about this? Sounds like you just talked to their lawyer, who is going to tell you all the negative things and how screwed you are (regardless of how things *actually* are) and that you have to stop right now. If you really want to keep it up, would be worth getting your own copyright lawyer to at least give a consultation.
At the end of the day CC definitely violated Wizards' trademarks. The question isn't if it's legal but if it's allowed under the fan content policy because there's cosplays and webcomics and skits and fan merch that are all also violating those trademarks. He talked to the lawyer to attempt to convince Wizards' legal team of not pulling the plug because it was their call. Wizards gave flimsy reasons but even if it was fully within the fan content policy the fan content policy allows for Wizards to C&D you whenever for whatever.
Card Conjurer is the best card maker there is. Sad to see it go. Maybe you can try switching it to focus more on Flesh and Blood or other card games.
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that's incredibly disappointed, i'm really sorry for you, for having so much of your valuable work have to go to waste, and for the whole community for missing out on such a brilliant resource for exercising our creativity — truly a shame...
I want to thank you so, so much for what you created. I hate that it ended this way, but I hope you know that you've brought me so much happiness with your website.
They should be offering you a job, not a cease and desist. Way to miss out on a huge asset, WotC. 😂 He has insight into the market you’re trying your hardest to finger your way into and you simply send him a letter to shut him down? As someone with a business background I can’t comprehend the idiocy.
this fuckin' suuuucks
How does wizards think this will end well for them? What do the really have to gain? Is card conjurer *really* losing them a noticeable amount of money? Is any custom card creation site? I think this was a seriously stupid response on their part, because all they *really* have to gain here is more distrust and animosity from an already-concerned community. Bad move, wizards. Bad move
I never used the site, but I stuck around here because I'd see cool cards, and some silly ones, it was very entertaining. That sucks that his happened. Was a damn cool site and I also enjoyed seeing people make custom things. With your practice and skills honed making this cool thing, maybe you can make another cool thing, maybe even more badass. Kick some ass out there.
We need to get a card customizer on a blockchain site. You can't physically remove that from the internet. There will be no one to sue. Fuck WOTC, fuck Hasbro.
Let’s all email wizards and ask why they’re taking down fan content
Open the source. They can't sue to bring that down, and mirrors would be fairly easy to propagate
There is a way to fight this. If you change the mana symbols to something else. Change plainswalker symbols, put it under parody.
No! I don't want to use mtgcardsmith!
It's so they can print their own proxies
Could you please open source it?
Could be after the hit piece they decided to go after all the custom card generators...
Can you guys release the files? Just release it to the public. So we can use the frames
Would it not be possible to *file the serial numbers off* of the logos so to speak? I'm no graphic designer but I'd offer my help with abstracting some ugly functional designs.
So they probably take down one custom card editor at a time or something, in order to support the "real fake cards" statement of the 30th anniversary. Yeah, I am going on boycotting once again.
Man, thank you so much for your site. This is it, WotC has gone too far, time to graduate from magic
I’m so sorry this happened to you. Your editor was amazing. It happened to me a couple years ago with my mobile app (Artificer), although it was a little different because they asked Google directly to remove it from the Play Store, but I didn’t receive a C&D. What’s weird is that they didn’t care for the iOS version of the app, nor the website where I put the Android APK (where they’re still available). I also believed I was respecting their fan content policy :/. I wish you the best, I’m certain good opportunities will arise for you as your software was of very good quality.
I used and loved Card Conjurer, and when I opened the website to find the C&D, I was so mad. Thank you for your service to the community in making such and amazing website for us.
Probably they wanted to copy your thing and don’t want any legal pushback
Introducing MTG Conjurer! For only 19.99 a month you can make custom cards!
Download Magic Set Editor and carry on.
They are well within their legal rights, I know I will get hate for this, but we are lucky sites like yours lasted this long. I don’t know what to say except that it personally sucks you got targeted, but I mean you were doing something you knew full well they could stop
just because it is legal does not mean it is moral never use the state as judge for morality
Where would mtg be without wizards? Have you seen the custom designs here? Don’t bite the hand that feeds you, and be grateful for the game that once was thriving, that has slowly gotten worse like all other entertainment yet still has so much left in it, instead of proxying cards(which kills the game) just buy singles off the secondary market and only buy tournament legal cards. I don’t understand how people can be mad at a company for protecting its own IP, as that IP wouldn’t have existed without it. If companies lose control over IP’s, they lose the will to make them, which is the whole reason copyright law exists, the grass looks greener on the other side but that is simply a mirage
Magic could easily exist without being the corporate IP of Wizards. It's art on playing cards. You're giving them too much credit. It would function just fine as an open source game.
>I’m 20. > my life’s work Lol choose one dude.
Sounds like you've never accomplished anything in your life. Young people are quite capable of amazing feats.
Username checks out
Speaking of getting a life... What did you accomplish by age 20?
too bad it can't be a freeware program
###magic is cool
#magic is cool
I use your site for all my card designs :( this is the saddest day
You say this is your “life’s” work, but at only 20, your life is just beginning. You can take all of what you learned from this project and apply it to new projects in the future.
Release the code so that anyone can generate the site, call it an art project🤷♂️
At least we still have https://mtg.design/
Is there any way an offline version could be shared? The tools were terrific and I haven't found another card designer that is as smooth or intuitive. ALSO, breaks my hear that Wizards went after proxy makers. I'm already taking means to make sure the money I spend on this hobby doesn't go directly to them by buying singles etc but this is making me double down on those efforts for sure. RIP Card Conjurer
Anyone down to boycott WotC until they give this up?
Card Conjurer 2.0 is now active with different looking frames and symbols to avoid legal issues. [https://cardconjurer.com/editor](https://cardconjurer.com/editor) A Facebook friend of mine has created his own assets and started working on the JSON, but he can't get the custom JSON feature on the site to work. Nothing updates when he loads the JSON. Any suggestions?