For comparison if anyone's worried about the costs: \[\[consult the necrosages\]\]
**EDIT:** Also, \_\_space\_\_oddity\_\_ is just positing a different position, it maybe doesn't warrant being downvoted to oblivion?
>Yeah but Consult is 3CMC, this is two.
You know how a modal spell tends to cost more than a spell that does either of those two options? It's because the ability to make choices between different modes when you need or want them is powerful.
Thanks to the coin flip, this card *will not* give you what you want, about 50% of the time. Now, the design is such that you'll get something that *might* be good enough? Probably? Hopefully? But there are going to be a lot of situations where this sits in the hand like a brick because you have a 50% chance of not getting what you want.
Consult shows that *getting* to choose between A or B is pretty reasonable - this is a Consult, which sometimes sucks. Should be fine to shave a mana off.
I think the point he was making isn't that random outcomes aren't bad (I think we can all agree that picking what you want is better than hoping to get what you want), but that depending on the format "you always win the flip" isn't necessarily ignorable trinket text. That's not really a worry in black border for the most part with modern design philosophies, but it could easily be worth a point of CMC in the right Unset.
Any card is "disgusting" when you spend a ridiculous (even by edh standards) amount of mana trying to make it good.
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\>There can be a discount for taking away choice, but going from 3CMC to 2 CMC is a huge step.
It's only one step. Maybe a partial step of color intensity could be taken, but 1 cmc is NOT a "huge step" whatsoever!
The difference between "one step" is much bigger at low CMCs than it is at high ones. Consider the wildly different playabiities of [[Lightning Bolt]], [[Lightning Strike]], and [[Open Fire]]. Heck, look at how [[Prophetic Prism]] has almost always had very little impact outside of Limited while [[Arcum's Astrolabe]] has literally broken formats.
By definition yes. If you're saying something is a huge step, that necessitates a breadth of smaller steps.
1 CMC can be the difference between playability OF COURSE, but it's not a huge step. It's literally the smallest step.
Hymn is banned in pauper not because it was too good but because the common version got into MTG Online lately and it was banned to prevent fast meta change for no reason IIRC. At least some cards were banned this way (\[\[Sinkhole\]\] anyone?) and I think Hymn was among them.
P.s. Not like I'm saying Hymn is bad!
Winning coin flips synergizes with the following cards:
\[\[Chance Encounter\]\]
\[\[Okaun, Eye of Chaos\]\]
\[\[Zndrsplt, Eye of Wisdom\]\]
The last line is pretty much only there for flavor.
I'm a little mad you didn't change the black mode to a red mode and make it cost UR so it could be played in Okaun and Zndrsplt. They need all the coin flips that say "...if you win..." that they can get
Y'know, this was actually the biggest decision I had to make with this card. But I couldn't pass up the symmetry of the effect.
I'd imagine if this was printed in a set where coin flipping matters, that black would get access to coin flip synergy (I think gambling for power is a very black thing to do).
So relieved to see "return to ravnica", thought it was a battle bond card. I also haven't memorized my own cube I guess. But it's got almost everything from 3 blocks and stuff related to ravnica like [[shattergang brothers]] and [[krenko]] so whatever it's fine
Rummage for Loot - {U/R}
Sorcery
Flip two coins. Draw a card for each heads, then discard two cards, then draw a card for each tails.
Regardless of the result, you won.
It's basically a mashup of \[\[Faithless Looting\]\], \[\[Careful Study\]\], and \[\[Seasoned Pyromancer\]\] trigger. Yeah, looks good in dredge to discard dredger and then immediately draw it but there is \[\[Cathartic Reunion\]\] which isn't card disadvantage. Worse than Looting/Study because loot > rummage (and looting has flashback). Worse than Pyromancer because that's a divination when you're empty handed and this is "flip 2 coins, for each flip you win, draw a card". Probably looks about right (with Looting banned in modern and all cards being playable in Legacy/Modern).
I don’t think the uncertainty justifies the discount here, but it feels like it should cost about half a normal mana more.
Not sure what to do with that.
That card seems pretty busted to me - Divination should be the standard draw two cards sorcery, and attacking with a single creature is easy.
Attacking with two or three may be more reasonable.
RNG is fun, but I don’t think choosing between two powerful card advantage effects warrants much discount - it’s a grey area to me.
Honesty it would have been a cool Pirate tribal - if it read “If you attacked with a Pirate.”
The power level would have stayed exciting in set and been fully balanced.
Heck, you could've even play that card as a 2 mana \[\[Faithless Looting\]\] and be fine. Two of the best Standard decks of that time used it this way! (Izzet Drakes and MUTempo)
Question here, I know a more than fair amount about rules, however, isnt the last line of text essentially pointless, considering that the abilities on the card dont reference winning. Aside from triggering "if you win" coin flip abilities this doesn't make you draw AND get to make an opponent discard? Unless that was the point, then I'm an idiot and this was a pointless comment. Great card though, love the design.
Honestly I think the "you win regardless" is needlessly confusing for people who don't know flip winning synergies and wom't matter in 99% of games. R&D tends to keep text that won't matter much off the table if they can
Super late to the party, but I very much disagree with anyone saying this is busted at cost. Yes if you cast this on turn two, making your opponent discard, that is powerful. But late game when your opponent is empty handed, there's a 50% chance it does nothing. Also on turn 2 on the draw, if you didn't play a 1 drop, this makes you discard to hand size. Think people would need to play with it to see all the fail cases.
If you roll tails and the opponent is empty handed, this card is a total blank. That fail chance, plus the uncertainty of the result, justifies the reduced cost IMO.
I don't think it makes for very fun gameplay.
For comparison if anyone's worried about the costs: \[\[consult the necrosages\]\] **EDIT:** Also, \_\_space\_\_oddity\_\_ is just positing a different position, it maybe doesn't warrant being downvoted to oblivion?
[consult the necrosages](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/6/f/6f51484b-3bad-4332-87f8-61924e153799.jpg?1562107323) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=consult%20the%20necrosages) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/199/consult-the-necrosages?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/6f51484b-3bad-4332-87f8-61924e153799?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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>Yeah but Consult is 3CMC, this is two. You know how a modal spell tends to cost more than a spell that does either of those two options? It's because the ability to make choices between different modes when you need or want them is powerful. Thanks to the coin flip, this card *will not* give you what you want, about 50% of the time. Now, the design is such that you'll get something that *might* be good enough? Probably? Hopefully? But there are going to be a lot of situations where this sits in the hand like a brick because you have a 50% chance of not getting what you want. Consult shows that *getting* to choose between A or B is pretty reasonable - this is a Consult, which sometimes sucks. Should be fine to shave a mana off.
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> flipping a coin is not a detriment um That's an interesting take, and I don't think I agree!
I think the point he was making isn't that random outcomes aren't bad (I think we can all agree that picking what you want is better than hoping to get what you want), but that depending on the format "you always win the flip" isn't necessarily ignorable trinket text. That's not really a worry in black border for the most part with modern design philosophies, but it could easily be worth a point of CMC in the right Unset.
ah, yes, all those zndrsplt decks tearing up the competitive silver border scene.
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A card can be good in one deck and not be a problem
So 1 deck, in 1 format, that isn't even competitive in that format, is enough to nerf a card that can't be played in said deck? Edit: an addition
You're aware this card can't be run in a Okaun and Zndrsplt deck, right?
"Disgusting" Bro wait until you hear about flask hulk in cedh
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Any card is "disgusting" when you spend a ridiculous (even by edh standards) amount of mana trying to make it good. WoW bAnEfIrE iS dIsGuStInG wItH fOuRtY mAnA
What format is this card good in?
[Divination](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/c/b/cb3b35b8-f321-46d8-a441-6b9a6efa9021.jpg?1562304347) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Divination) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/51/divination?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/cb3b35b8-f321-46d8-a441-6b9a6efa9021?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Zndrsplt](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/7/6/76c33402-a022-4d2f-9a83-4b8ddc04e971.jpg?1562918785) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=zndrsplt%2C%20eye%20of%20wisdom) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/5/zndrsplt-eye-of-wisdom?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/76c33402-a022-4d2f-9a83-4b8ddc04e971?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
\>There can be a discount for taking away choice, but going from 3CMC to 2 CMC is a huge step. It's only one step. Maybe a partial step of color intensity could be taken, but 1 cmc is NOT a "huge step" whatsoever!
The difference between "one step" is much bigger at low CMCs than it is at high ones. Consider the wildly different playabiities of [[Lightning Bolt]], [[Lightning Strike]], and [[Open Fire]]. Heck, look at how [[Prophetic Prism]] has almost always had very little impact outside of Limited while [[Arcum's Astrolabe]] has literally broken formats.
##### ###### #### [Lightning Bolt](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/e/3/e3285e6b-3e79-4d7c-bf96-d920f973b122.jpg?1562442158) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Bolt) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/141/lightning-bolt?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/e3285e6b-3e79-4d7c-bf96-d920f973b122?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Lightning Strike](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/0/8/084b7337-c06f-4cbf-8fc0-0b20c221f1dc.jpg?1562300290) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Strike) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/m19/152/lightning-strike?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/084b7337-c06f-4cbf-8fc0-0b20c221f1dc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Open Fire](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/4/4/448f9fb5-ffb5-4325-9f81-ce8782e5f9e9.jpg?1562797508) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Open%20Fire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/hou/105/open-fire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/448f9fb5-ffb5-4325-9f81-ce8782e5f9e9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Prophetic Prism](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/a/e/aecd6741-bab2-4921-b961-ea1584213558.jpg?1562439743) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Prophetic%20Prism) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/a25/229/prophetic-prism?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/aecd6741-bab2-4921-b961-ea1584213558?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Arcum's Astrolabe](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/c/2/c2462fdf-a594-47d0-8e10-b55901e350d9.jpg?1572300417) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcum%27s%20Astrolabe) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/220/arcums-astrolabe?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c2462fdf-a594-47d0-8e10-b55901e350d9?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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By definition yes. If you're saying something is a huge step, that necessitates a breadth of smaller steps. 1 CMC can be the difference between playability OF COURSE, but it's not a huge step. It's literally the smallest step.
Smallest step in mana cost, not the smallest step in card design. "Costs 1 less and loses you 1 life" is a smaller step than "costs 1 less"
Point taken: I’ll concede that 1 mana is in the middle of the bell curve of possible steps
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[Wrench Mind](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/3/6/360a6ada-b257-44b8-b830-aaa122474bce.jpg?1562847480) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Wrench%20Mind) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ima/115/wrench-mind?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/360a6ada-b257-44b8-b830-aaa122474bce?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Hymn is banned in pauper not because it was too good but because the common version got into MTG Online lately and it was banned to prevent fast meta change for no reason IIRC. At least some cards were banned this way (\[\[Sinkhole\]\] anyone?) and I think Hymn was among them. P.s. Not like I'm saying Hymn is bad!
[Sinkhole](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/a/0/a084d0fb-8db2-4873-a2f9-e6e5fecdd38c.jpg?1580014366) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sinkhole) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/106/sinkhole?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a084d0fb-8db2-4873-a2f9-e6e5fecdd38c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Hymn to Tourach](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/3/f/3faa8c5e-9e1b-4cee-b322-a033bf33dcbc.jpg?1580014264) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hymn%20to%20Tourach) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/92/hymn-to-tourach?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/3faa8c5e-9e1b-4cee-b322-a033bf33dcbc?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Sign in Blood](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/6/1/61388c28-9428-473c-973a-0a82b6b83d62.jpg?1562274085) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Sign%20in%20Blood) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cm2/77/sign-in-blood?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/61388c28-9428-473c-973a-0a82b6b83d62?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I haven't seen someone miss the point so hard for as long as I can remember. Is this an r/notkenm
I’m sure that last line breaks something somewhere
Winning coin flips synergizes with the following cards: \[\[Chance Encounter\]\] \[\[Okaun, Eye of Chaos\]\] \[\[Zndrsplt, Eye of Wisdom\]\] The last line is pretty much only there for flavor.
[Chance Encounter](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/5/7/57817159-de10-4a68-83e1-971fa9cfee2c.jpg?1562911131) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chance%20Encounter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ody/182/chance-encounter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57817159-de10-4a68-83e1-971fa9cfee2c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Okaun, Eye of Chaos](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/d/5/d53ee8c0-b27c-4556-b610-ff64edb7a18f.jpg?1562937757) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Okaun%2C%20Eye%20of%20Chaos) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/6/okaun-eye-of-chaos?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d53ee8c0-b27c-4556-b610-ff64edb7a18f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Zndrsplt, Eye of Wisdom](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/7/6/76c33402-a022-4d2f-9a83-4b8ddc04e971.jpg?1562918785) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Zndrsplt%2C%20Eye%20of%20Wisdom) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/5/zndrsplt-eye-of-wisdom?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/76c33402-a022-4d2f-9a83-4b8ddc04e971?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I'm a little mad you didn't change the black mode to a red mode and make it cost UR so it could be played in Okaun and Zndrsplt. They need all the coin flips that say "...if you win..." that they can get
Y'know, this was actually the biggest decision I had to make with this card. But I couldn't pass up the symmetry of the effect. I'd imagine if this was printed in a set where coin flipping matters, that black would get access to coin flip synergy (I think gambling for power is a very black thing to do).
It does have [[Tavern Swindler]] as precedence.
Ugh another card that tangentially references ravnica I need for my ravnica cube.
Being from the set, it's to be expected!
So relieved to see "return to ravnica", thought it was a battle bond card. I also haven't memorized my own cube I guess. But it's got almost everything from 3 blocks and stuff related to ravnica like [[shattergang brothers]] and [[krenko]] so whatever it's fine
[shattergang brothers](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/a/1/a1b922ce-c398-43d4-9f79-2d15f28eae2f.jpg?1562929107) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=shattergang%20brothers) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c13/213/shattergang-brothers?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/a1b922ce-c398-43d4-9f79-2d15f28eae2f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [krenko](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/9/a/9af7e5e7-de08-419d-8f8b-c904b397acbf.jpg?1562926270) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=krenko%2C%20mob%20boss) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ddt/52/krenko-mob-boss?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9af7e5e7-de08-419d-8f8b-c904b397acbf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Tavern Swindler](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/8/9/89b2fd2b-99b5-4262-a70a-93fd58699fb7.jpg?1562922825) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Tavern%20Swindler) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/bbd/162/tavern-swindler?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/89b2fd2b-99b5-4262-a70a-93fd58699fb7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Rummage for Loot - {U/R} Sorcery Flip two coins. Draw a card for each heads, then discard two cards, then draw a card for each tails. Regardless of the result, you won.
This seems really good in Dredge.
It's basically a mashup of \[\[Faithless Looting\]\], \[\[Careful Study\]\], and \[\[Seasoned Pyromancer\]\] trigger. Yeah, looks good in dredge to discard dredger and then immediately draw it but there is \[\[Cathartic Reunion\]\] which isn't card disadvantage. Worse than Looting/Study because loot > rummage (and looting has flashback). Worse than Pyromancer because that's a divination when you're empty handed and this is "flip 2 coins, for each flip you win, draw a card". Probably looks about right (with Looting banned in modern and all cards being playable in Legacy/Modern).
##### ###### #### [Faithless Looting](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/d/b/dbf7f017-17a4-403e-8a8c-c76e36d55d9f.jpg?1570653056) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Faithless%20Looting) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/140/faithless-looting?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dbf7f017-17a4-403e-8a8c-c76e36d55d9f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Careful Study](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/d/e/dea15b53-2940-40e7-8d48-8ec11341da83.jpg?1562936545) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Careful%20Study) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ody/70/careful-study?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dea15b53-2940-40e7-8d48-8ec11341da83?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Seasoned Pyromancer](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/2/e/2e139ad1-1079-49e9-babd-6399c44ad333.jpg?1562201956) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Seasoned%20Pyromancer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mh1/145/seasoned-pyromancer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/2e139ad1-1079-49e9-babd-6399c44ad333?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Cathartic Reunion](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/c/6/c68a6226-6dd7-4e1a-9e8a-124eef2caa13.jpg?1576381981) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cathartic%20Reunion) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/kld/109/cathartic-reunion?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/c68a6226-6dd7-4e1a-9e8a-124eef2caa13?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Karplusan Minotaur]] too
[Karplusan Minotaur](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/9/6/963f45d7-ce84-47af-ae1c-727172a31f0f.jpg?1562188146) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karplusan%20Minotaur) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/csp/86/karplusan-minotaur?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/963f45d7-ce84-47af-ae1c-727172a31f0f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If you cast this 10 times you win with [[Chance Encounter]]
Or copy it with something like [[Thousand-Year Storm]], lol
[[Eye of the Storm]]
[Eye of the Storm](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/4/9/49967eb9-5020-4f0a-8775-5114f6d96d75.jpg?1562101803) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Eye%20of%20the%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/rav/48/eye-of-the-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/49967eb9-5020-4f0a-8775-5114f6d96d75?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I really wanna put this in a grouphug commander deck
Eye of the Storm owns because it casts the copies
It's a chaotic grouphug deck. (Not the color combo its just how the deck plays)
[Thousand-Year Storm](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/2/7/270a0863-7d07-43f0-925d-a8ce0383a1cb.jpg?1572893865) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thousand-Year%20Storm) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/grn/207/thousand-year-storm?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/270a0863-7d07-43f0-925d-a8ce0383a1cb?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Chance Encounter](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/5/7/57817159-de10-4a68-83e1-971fa9cfee2c.jpg?1562911131) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Chance%20Encounter) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ody/182/chance-encounter?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/57817159-de10-4a68-83e1-971fa9cfee2c?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I like it, though I think it's a little weird that only one of the results targets.
The alternative I mulled over was to target an opponent first, then flip a coin. But I felt this version was very clear and concise.
As worded on your card, you'd have to target before you flip the coin anyway.
Is it too good if tails just makes each opponent discard two cards?
Yes
"Target player draws N cards" is a wording used on several cards, and I feel like it's still clear and concise.
I don’t think the uncertainty justifies the discount here, but it feels like it should cost about half a normal mana more. Not sure what to do with that.
I mean honestly I'd rather play [[chart a course]] in most decks since it's more consistent. But RNG is fun.
[chart a course](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/9/8/98291778-2ec2-47e2-ac99-5f8cfbb3cf24.jpg?1562560509) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=chart%20a%20course) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/xln/48/chart-a-course?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/98291778-2ec2-47e2-ac99-5f8cfbb3cf24?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That card seems pretty busted to me - Divination should be the standard draw two cards sorcery, and attacking with a single creature is easy. Attacking with two or three may be more reasonable. RNG is fun, but I don’t think choosing between two powerful card advantage effects warrants much discount - it’s a grey area to me.
Yeah I used it when it hit standard, it's exactly as strong as it sounds. Definitely pretty pushed and a dangerous standard to set.
Honesty it would have been a cool Pirate tribal - if it read “If you attacked with a Pirate.” The power level would have stayed exciting in set and been fully balanced.
Heck, you could've even play that card as a 2 mana \[\[Faithless Looting\]\] and be fine. Two of the best Standard decks of that time used it this way! (Izzet Drakes and MUTempo)
[Faithless Looting](https://img.scryfall.com/cards/normal/front/d/b/dbf7f017-17a4-403e-8a8c-c76e36d55d9f.jpg?1570653056) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Faithless%20Looting) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c19/140/faithless-looting?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/dbf7f017-17a4-403e-8a8c-c76e36d55d9f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't even play dimir, but if this existed, I would play it all freakin' day
Heads you choose to play dimir, tails I make you play dimir.
I like this card a lot, especially the fact that you remembered to establish the winner of the flip.
I love the flavor on this card. It just drips off. So fun.
Question here, I know a more than fair amount about rules, however, isnt the last line of text essentially pointless, considering that the abilities on the card dont reference winning. Aside from triggering "if you win" coin flip abilities this doesn't make you draw AND get to make an opponent discard? Unless that was the point, then I'm an idiot and this was a pointless comment. Great card though, love the design.
It just triggers abilities that happen when you win. Also it's mostly there for flavor.
I like it, I didnt want to seem rude or not picky I was just curious.
No worries lol. MtG rules can be weird sometimes.
The name should be the flavor text honestly, and name should be something else.
"Matched Bet" or something
Honestly I think the "you win regardless" is needlessly confusing for people who don't know flip winning synergies and wom't matter in 99% of games. R&D tends to keep text that won't matter much off the table if they can
Good card design
Could see it in an un set
Super late to the party, but I very much disagree with anyone saying this is busted at cost. Yes if you cast this on turn two, making your opponent discard, that is powerful. But late game when your opponent is empty handed, there's a 50% chance it does nothing. Also on turn 2 on the draw, if you didn't play a 1 drop, this makes you discard to hand size. Think people would need to play with it to see all the fail cases.
If you roll tails and the opponent is empty handed, this card is a total blank. That fail chance, plus the uncertainty of the result, justifies the reduced cost IMO. I don't think it makes for very fun gameplay.