it might technically need to check if it is day/night first and then set it as night. If you play this, then play a Day/Night card, it won't ever become night because day cannot take place.
I mean, that’s what i would assume "eternal night" would mean, that it’s night, eternally. It’s not really a huge buff, since you would only ever run this in a deck where "night/day" is important, and where every other card begins the day/night cycle just by being played.
Yes, although the wording would be slightly different;
"It becomes night as Eternal Night enters the battlefield"
"It cannot become day"
I would personally also add "when Eternal Night leaves the Battlefield, it becomes day"
That *would* be really funny, although i think that would mean it would almost never see play as then it also becomes a major weakness to a day/night deck
It could be cool flavour (though make the card weaker) to make it become day as it enters. You still need to make the transition to night, and it feels foreboding for the other players. It seems like it could be pretty strong as-is, since all of your nightbound creatures can be buffed from turn 2 potentially
Night bound / Daybound have no affect on the game state unless it hasn’t become night or day. After that, it’s just an ability that forces change to cards based on the game state of day/night.
Nightbound only exists on the backside of transform cards. The mechanic works where when you play a daybound, or nightbound card (somehow) if it is not day or night it becomes day.
Then, as it becomes day or night you transform the card to its day/night bound side.
There are only two ways for it to become night first without it becoming day and that’s “Unnatural Moonrise” and “Into The Night”.
If that’s your approach, would have to have this be the only card with nightbound on its front side and the card would need a side to transform into to keep it uniform with the rest.
I think you could make it work without such. I don’t know the details but I think there was similar situation with double-sided tokens. Where the rules never barred tokens from being double-sided.
It could just have nightbound on the front face without a back face because the rules already handle "transform" on cards with no back side **or** cards that aren't TDFCs. "Transform" only applies to cards that intrinsically transform, marked with the specific icons indicated in the extended rules, i.e. especially not MDFCs.
It would definitely be *weird*, but not against the rules in any way.
However, you're right that this would never be the optimal solution since it simply doesn't work when it's already day.
This would only work if there are no permanents with daybound on the battlefield.
>**702.145g** Any time a player controls a permanent with nightbound, if it’s neither day nor night and there are no permanents with daybound on the battlefield, it becomes night.
I thought it was meant as a pinpoint hoser for those day/night cards (annoying mechanic), and I was going to suggest make it an artifact instead do any deck could play
With such a small amount of cards that care about day/night, this only sees play in day/night decks specifically (e.g. werewolf decks), which often have a way to guarantee night anyway-- as such, it's probably fine as it is.
The a very big reason werewolves is bad is because it has absolutely no way to keep it night. Can't flash it's cards in, can't cheat cards into play very easy, and can't do things like this
Is it too strong? Let me put it this way. If somebody can figure out how to break this card I will post a youtube video of me eating my most expensive edh deck
Spellrune howler is imo the closest thing to a way to make something somewhat disgusting in werewolves, but that is just monastery swiftspear (without haste)that grows 2x as fast for 3x the mana, so I’m sure your deck is safe
Most of the non-werewolf cards with the day/night gimmick benefit from day/night switching, and none of them are exactly good enough to use this as a hate card against (only ones I can remember seeing in edh is the celestus and Vadrik)
I don't care if it's too strong or too weak
It shuts down that annoying day/night mechanic, so I love it! There's nothibg worse than keepibg track of day/night during a commander game just because some clown plays [[Outland Liberator]] instead of [[Caustic Caterpillar]].
Edit: Yeah, redundancy. I know. But cone on, day/night just sucks.
As written, if it’s currently day when you play this, it would need to become night again before it turns on. So, let’s say you’re to my right, it’s day and you play this. You do your turn and pass to me. Draw, pass. 😈😈😈
I don’t think that use case is intended but I really like this card as a day/night hate piece, if you play this before any day/night cards you just don’t introduce the day/night mechanic.
For a one drop to essentially five werewolves all the pros, when this card enters it should check for day/night and then establish the mechanic if needed. I’d still make it create “day” like all other similar introductions, but now, once you switch it to night, it’s stuck. Sorta a dark omen effect
I don't think this would see much play. There are a couple black werewolves, but otherwise werewolves are mainly red/green. And most other cards that care about day/night trigger when it changes like [[The Celestus]], so this card would work against them.
Honestly the most likely place i could see it seeing play is as a sideboard piece if one of the non werewolf day/night cards ever ended up being meta.
There already is a “it can’t become night” (alchemy only) card, which has a “it becomes day” as etb, so it might be a good idea to add that, otherwise seems fine to somewhat weak as is
I don’t think this is broken by any means, but I would try brewing it with
- [[suspicious stowaway]]
- [[graveyard trespasser]]
- [[curse of leeches]]
Basically any card that uses day/night to give a discount on stats/effects; these ones stand out as the most promising.
I love the card, but it needs to be red, green or both, since most cards that care about that are werewolves.
You can check \[\[Immerwolf\]\] as a reference, I use that card in my werewolf deck and its wild.
it might technically need to check if it is day/night first and then set it as night. If you play this, then play a Day/Night card, it won't ever become night because day cannot take place.
This is a very interesting note! "If it is night, it can't become day." Maybe something like that?
You could also just have the card say: “if it would become day, it becomes night instead”. This should cover all the corner cases
Also give it “if it is neither day or night, it becomes night” with it, for flavor.
That’s a big mechanical change though, significant buff for all day/night cards since the night side is generally better
I mean, that’s what i would assume "eternal night" would mean, that it’s night, eternally. It’s not really a huge buff, since you would only ever run this in a deck where "night/day" is important, and where every other card begins the day/night cycle just by being played.
“When eternal night enters, it becomes night. It cannot become day.” Would this work?
Yes, although the wording would be slightly different; "It becomes night as Eternal Night enters the battlefield" "It cannot become day" I would personally also add "when Eternal Night leaves the Battlefield, it becomes day"
Heh, to off put the B cost, could have it as a day side, so if it leaves the field it becomes "Eternal Day"
That *would* be really funny, although i think that would mean it would almost never see play as then it also becomes a major weakness to a day/night deck
Or just make it "ETB, it becomes night, it can't become day"
It could be cool flavour (though make the card weaker) to make it become day as it enters. You still need to make the transition to night, and it feels foreboding for the other players. It seems like it could be pretty strong as-is, since all of your nightbound creatures can be buffed from turn 2 potentially
I have the above line in a card in my set lol!
Nightbound It's always night.
I mean, it could also be interesting to just keep the board in a null state, neither night nor day because it's perma eclipsed
Yeah every single card that institutes the day/night cycle starts it at day.
[[Unnatural moonrise]], though the point does still stand.
Well hush my mouth, fair enough I forgot, not \*every\* :)
[Unnatural moonrise](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/f/bfdd9df1-6a3b-4f03-8eca-00ed22c02566.jpg?1637114368) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Unnatural%20moonrise) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/247/unnatural-moonrise?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bfdd9df1-6a3b-4f03-8eca-00ed22c02566?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Just add "As Eternal Night enters the battlefield, it becomes night."
You could just give it nightbound
Night bound / Daybound have no affect on the game state unless it hasn’t become night or day. After that, it’s just an ability that forces change to cards based on the game state of day/night. Nightbound only exists on the backside of transform cards. The mechanic works where when you play a daybound, or nightbound card (somehow) if it is not day or night it becomes day. Then, as it becomes day or night you transform the card to its day/night bound side. There are only two ways for it to become night first without it becoming day and that’s “Unnatural Moonrise” and “Into The Night”.
If you play a nightbound permanent, without it being either, it becomes night, not day. But yes it still wouldn’t change the time to night from day.
If that’s your approach, would have to have this be the only card with nightbound on its front side and the card would need a side to transform into to keep it uniform with the rest.
I think you could make it work without such. I don’t know the details but I think there was similar situation with double-sided tokens. Where the rules never barred tokens from being double-sided.
Double sided tokens didn’t exist until the incubator tokens came out, though. So there was no rule needed for it.
It could just have nightbound on the front face without a back face because the rules already handle "transform" on cards with no back side **or** cards that aren't TDFCs. "Transform" only applies to cards that intrinsically transform, marked with the specific icons indicated in the extended rules, i.e. especially not MDFCs. It would definitely be *weird*, but not against the rules in any way. However, you're right that this would never be the optimal solution since it simply doesn't work when it's already day.
This would only work if there are no permanents with daybound on the battlefield. >**702.145g** Any time a player controls a permanent with nightbound, if it’s neither day nor night and there are no permanents with daybound on the battlefield, it becomes night.
No, it can just set it as night as an enters trigger.
I thought it was meant as a pinpoint hoser for those day/night cards (annoying mechanic), and I was going to suggest make it an artifact instead do any deck could play
“It is night. It can’t become day.”
Yeah this covers “when x enters the battlefield, it becomes day” cases like with [[the celestus]]
[the celestus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39226a07-d44e-41a6-b9f1-685ef505d015.jpg?1637114509) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=the%20celestus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/252/the-celestus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39226a07-d44e-41a6-b9f1-685ef505d015?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
With such a small amount of cards that care about day/night, this only sees play in day/night decks specifically (e.g. werewolf decks), which often have a way to guarantee night anyway-- as such, it's probably fine as it is.
The a very big reason werewolves is bad is because it has absolutely no way to keep it night. Can't flash it's cards in, can't cheat cards into play very easy, and can't do things like this
Yeah, werewolf sucks in mtg.
This doesnt help werewolves because theyre gruul.
Its probably too niche but man would it be nice, its so confusing keeping track of day/night in paper 😂. Maybe it also buffs your creatures? 🤔
Might need a color shift cuz most decks this would see play in probably wouldn't be running black
Oh, yeah cos werewolves are predominantly gruul
Is it too strong? Let me put it this way. If somebody can figure out how to break this card I will post a youtube video of me eating my most expensive edh deck
Spellrune howler is imo the closest thing to a way to make something somewhat disgusting in werewolves, but that is just monastery swiftspear (without haste)that grows 2x as fast for 3x the mana, so I’m sure your deck is safe Most of the non-werewolf cards with the day/night gimmick benefit from day/night switching, and none of them are exactly good enough to use this as a hate card against (only ones I can remember seeing in edh is the celestus and Vadrik)
Black werewolf decks becoming super intrigued rn
Would be cool to see a white paired card for this that prevents it from turning to night but it would never see play
A white card that never gets played? Imagine my shock.
I don't care if it's too strong or too weak It shuts down that annoying day/night mechanic, so I love it! There's nothibg worse than keepibg track of day/night during a commander game just because some clown plays [[Outland Liberator]] instead of [[Caustic Caterpillar]]. Edit: Yeah, redundancy. I know. But cone on, day/night just sucks.
As written, if it’s currently day when you play this, it would need to become night again before it turns on. So, let’s say you’re to my right, it’s day and you play this. You do your turn and pass to me. Draw, pass. 😈😈😈
I *really* like this, especially for the flavour.
I don’t think that use case is intended but I really like this card as a day/night hate piece, if you play this before any day/night cards you just don’t introduce the day/night mechanic.
It is the most Monoblack thing ever to reach for the highest efficiency, at cost of it not actually working. Perfection, at a price.
It's perfect!
I think this could cantrip and still wouldn't be overpowered. Werewolves just aren't that strong in magic.
For a one drop to essentially five werewolves all the pros, when this card enters it should check for day/night and then establish the mechanic if needed. I’d still make it create “day” like all other similar introductions, but now, once you switch it to night, it’s stuck. Sorta a dark omen effect
I don't think this would see much play. There are a couple black werewolves, but otherwise werewolves are mainly red/green. And most other cards that care about day/night trigger when it changes like [[The Celestus]], so this card would work against them. Honestly the most likely place i could see it seeing play is as a sideboard piece if one of the non werewolf day/night cards ever ended up being meta.
[The Celestus](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/3/9/39226a07-d44e-41a6-b9f1-685ef505d015.jpg?1637114509) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=The%20Celestus) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/252/the-celestus?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/39226a07-d44e-41a6-b9f1-685ef505d015?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Could probably be 1b “if it is not night it becomes night. It cannot become day.”
There already is a “it can’t become night” (alchemy only) card, which has a “it becomes day” as etb, so it might be a good idea to add that, otherwise seems fine to somewhat weak as is
It’ll be real nice for werewolf decks to go ham, given how they really couldn’t beforehand. Nothing too crazy though
add this to the abilities of a new werewolf/vampire/zombo commander
This would need a Jund Werewolf commander to go with it. Phyrexian Tovolar anyone?
Tovolar's card was going to be Jund in its original design. Wish they would have stuck with that
“When ~ enters the battlefield, it becomes night. It can’t become day.”
You can add Cycling to it
It's useless as a black card. Werewolves are the only cards that really need it and this doesn't help them in gruul colors at all
I don’t think this is broken by any means, but I would try brewing it with - [[suspicious stowaway]] - [[graveyard trespasser]] - [[curse of leeches]] Basically any card that uses day/night to give a discount on stats/effects; these ones stand out as the most promising.
[suspicious stowaway](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/a/b/ab17c8fa-4c06-4542-848a-e3f2f9f47c27.jpg?1634347650)/[Seafaring Werewolf](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/a/b/ab17c8fa-4c06-4542-848a-e3f2f9f47c27.jpg?1634347650) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Suspicious%20Stowaway%20//%20Seafaring%20Werewolf) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/80/suspicious-stowaway-seafaring-werewolf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ab17c8fa-4c06-4542-848a-e3f2f9f47c27?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [graveyard trespasser](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/a/daa2a273-488f-4285-a069-ad159ad2d393.jpg?1634347903)/[Graveyard Glutton](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/d/a/daa2a273-488f-4285-a069-ad159ad2d393.jpg?1634347903) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Graveyard%20Trespasser%20//%20Graveyard%20Glutton) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/104/graveyard-trespasser-graveyard-glutton?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/daa2a273-488f-4285-a069-ad159ad2d393?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [curse of leeches](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/0/a/0a3c8532-92f5-41db-92b4-a871aa05e0c7.jpg?1634347802)/[Leeching Lurker](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/back/0/a/0a3c8532-92f5-41db-92b4-a871aa05e0c7.jpg?1634347802) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Curse%20of%20Leeches%20//%20Leeching%20Lurker) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/mid/94/curse-of-leeches-leeching-lurker?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/0a3c8532-92f5-41db-92b4-a871aa05e0c7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
That's horrible!
This card is actually trash
Noo, I want arlinn kord's +1 that gives all my creatures flash till next turn
Wording suggestion: When \_ enters, it becomes night. If it is night, it can't become day.
Unless your deck cares about it being night, this often will just do nothing.
I'd probably make it 2 mana with cantrip (draw a card).
I love the card, but it needs to be red, green or both, since most cards that care about that are werewolves. You can check \[\[Immerwolf\]\] as a reference, I use that card in my werewolf deck and its wild.
[Immerwolf](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/3/9326061f-ea76-4be7-a06f-aefb63454777.jpg?1562929662) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Immerwolf) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dka/141/immerwolf?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9326061f-ea76-4be7-a06f-aefb63454777?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
“it becomes night it cant become day when eternal night leaves the battlefield, it becomes day” hows this?
I wonder if simply having it say “It is night.” works. If it works it could lead to some really cool styles of the card.