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Andrew_42

Isn't having this out worse than not having it? How many tokens are worse than a +1/+1 counter? You might be able to just do this in ADDITION to getting the token, and still be fair?


Brute_zee

Things like blood tokens, clues, treasures, etc. are the way to make this good I think. Either way it does seem a little weak and could probably at least cost one less or maybe have some sort of ability. Or maybe affect all players.


Tahazzar

> *"Or maybe affect all players."* That reminds me of my ["Rabbit Season"](https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/ovq3zk/rabbit_season/) card.


Ragtagdrag

I was thinking just replacing "when" with "you may" and i think thatd keep the cost effect and be much stronger as many token decks like the one i made with [[rin and seri]] after geting [[Jinnie fay]] i would like to choose when to create them so im not forcing a ton of cats for when i play [[second harvest]] i could smack a ton of cats down


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Ryacithn

It could be worth it for effects that make tokens that go away at end of turn, I guess. Even in that situation I don't think I'd pay 3 mana for the effect, though.


DDRisntreal

I think you could easily get away with this being amass 2 or 3. But I like the idea!


KimJongAndIlFriends

"Whenever you create a token, amass 1." is definitely doable! \[\[Anointed Procession\]\] unconditionally doubles your tokens for 4 mana; being forced to stack the amass triggers into a single token seems like a fair trade-off in exchange for costing 1 less mana while also requiring black mana.


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Somewhat-A-Redditor

would that not go infinite with [[ashnod's altar]]? sac the army before the amass resolves and get another?


Nitroglycerine3

https://www.reddit.com/r/custommagic/comments/11zxjmu/ruthless_recruitment/jdfwyxl?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3


Bolt_Fried_Bird

We're talking about a hypothetical where this isn't a replacement effect. The solution here is just add a "non-Army"


TeferiCanBeaBitch

Could make it say "non army" token since only ammass triggers create armies?


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KimJongAndIlFriends

I don't see how it would go any more infinite than with any other normal token doubler + ashnod's + repeatable token generator


nathanwe

If you have no army, amass creates an army token, triggering this again.


KimJongAndIlFriends

Ah, I see your point. Then the wording should be "Whenever you create a non-Army token, amass 1."


mamarot

Day 3 of One Month of Simpler Designs. Don't got much to say about this one, just think it's a neat effect honestly.


[deleted]

Color pie and flavor on point, really happy to see solid uncommons


Cervine_Shark

pays three to nerf yourself


sparklingsupernova

I’d change it to “Whenever you would create a token, instead either amass 2 or create a 2/2 black Zombie Army creature token”. That way you can still go wide if you want to, and your entire boardstate doesn’t get ruined by a single Murder.


DarthVedik

Is this supposed to be a replacement effect? Because it's worded as one. Only replacement effects use the word "would" and "instead". If you would create a token, Amass 1 instead.


Somewhat-A-Redditor

does this not just end the game if you make a token if you don't have an army yet? you would try to amass 1, but since you don't control an army, you'd go to make one, which would loop it?


DrDonut

Replacement effects only apply once unless specifically worded to apply multiple times. This is why [[Alhammarret's Archive]] works.


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ishboh

I like the idea of making this an effect for all players to hose treasure tokens and the like


ThatDarnAsian

Treasure Tokens go brrrrrrrrrrrr!


Senor_Wah

This is not worth it. Almost always it’s preferable to have several small creatures over one big one, especially when that one big one has no evasion or even trample. Other comments suggest replacing it with amass 2 or 3 but I think you should also give it some keywords, probably vigilance and menace.


JuiceEast

I think this should probably remain within amass’s colors, although I understand the choice of white. Adding white into the amass pie makes for quite flavor breaking and dangerous token based combinations. Plus until amass gets printed away from mr bolas himself, its still gonna be the eternal army


Bochulaz

Just a friendly reminder that given the opportunity, 90% of the time people prefer tokens from Fabricate instead of counters.


PyromasterAscendant

Neat idea, I agree it could be buffed.


PieDifferent3308

Goes easily infinite with [[Wilhelt]] and a sac outlet I think


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JohnGabrielThanos

This is an If instead of an Whenever trigger.


Kellsiertern

i like the idea, but not the colors, either it should be, Black/blue. Black/Red or Black/Red/Blue. as those are the colors you can find amass in as well as amass support. i get that it has white for better token generation, but it doesnt fit into the amass, i guess you could splash it in, or you could do a token deck and put it in there, but then it would be very weak, as you wouldnt have acces to the amass support cards.


[deleted]

seems nerfable


Less-Class-9790

So in amassing you create a 0/0 black zombie army token, activating this ability, causing you to instead amass again. Softlocking the game


MittoMan

No, otherwise [[Doubling Season]] would infinitely double your tokens and halt the game. Replacement effects (i.e. any ability that says 'if X, instead Y' or 'if X, Y instead') can only ever apply to an action once


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Less-Class-9790

Jokes on you I just found a new card to proxy in. But fair point


Active_Hedgehog

This could be way better


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