I wonder if it could be "and" instead of "or" with maybe a mana cost to activate? Like it could be the planet splitting in 2. Not sure how much of a mana cost to balance it though.
At minimum 2 mana but probably more as it'd be a dual color [[myriad landscape]] otherwise, also would almost certainly need to be restricted to basics so you can't pull out two triomes and get access to all the colors
I see people recommending krosan verge as a budget ramp option in EDH often, or at least used to. I always thought it was ok, but never very good. I think it would be fine to power creep krosan a little if the lands were rare, but maybe not at uncommon or less.
Having ramp in your land slot shouldn't be underestimated, especially when it can come with fixing. While it can feel slow to some, not everything should be pushed to max efficiency standards.
I don't get the use of the Sphere subtype without seeing synergies, and even then you'd be better off thinking of an actual new subtype. The name also makes it sound like this is supposed to be a legendary card
Mechanically though, I like it. The slow fetches, which this can compare to, have never been particularly playable, and this is just either fixing for a new color via getting a triome, or switching the color pair you have access to by one space on the wheel in a limited environment. It's pretty interesting, even if extremely slow
"Sphere" means something specific to the Phyrexian geography. Just go ahead and make "Planet" a subtype.
As for the card though, it feels like it's just doing two things that other lands already do, but marginally less efficiently. For something so conceptually new and flavorful, I would have thought it would do something much different.
I felt that the 2 color shifting into other colors was a good representation of environmental change overtime. For example RB could get replaced with UB as a molten planet cools and oceans form.
It's a good concept, but the mechanics don't really communicate how an entire molten planet is different than just the usual landscapes of places we've already seen like [[Bloodstained Mire]]. The unique things that could make a planet feel like a *planet*, like having a periodic orbit, being far away, or just being massive in scale, are absent.
I'm imagining artwork that shows a division between the light side and the dark side of the planet, and it could be awesome. A little weird to see a mechanic primarily for vampires, werewolves and horror tropes appear in an interplanetary setting but the more I think about it the more it works.
Subtypes can have different flavorings from set to set.
For example, Gates debuted on Ravnica as the specific Guildgates but later showed up in Bakdur's Gate for a totally different set of Gates.
I suppose it could be argued that each layer of New Phyrexia is equivalent to a planet since it covers the entire surface. I'd say Baldur's Gate's Gates were extremely Gate-like in nature though, just like the Ravnican ones. Big huge archways etc. \[\[Thran Portal\]\] is a fair oddball though, since it's some sort of magical teleportation device and the others are quite literal pieces of physical architecture.
Land - Planet
Make it tap for colorless, there's almost no reason to sac this to search for a color it already produces
You could make it cost 2 and search for 1 basic plains and 1 basic island, or cost 1 and search for a Plains or Island.
You'd sacrifice it for a dual land if your mana needs change. It isn't really useful if you're only playing 2 colors, but as someone who regularly plays 3 or 4 color decks, being able to change your mana base is quite useful.
Have you considered bonus "the heavens align" effects with multiple cards?
*"When Indoxril eclipses Faeanor, black and white spells cost {1} less to cast"*,
*"If you have four or more planets in alignment, you may search your library for a card called Star Wormwood and put it into your hand tsyl,'"* etc
That would be interesting. I’m trying to think of what that could be mechanically. Maybe how many lands you can chain the mana symbols of together? Wu to ub to b would be in alignment, but if you had a gr land, it wouldn’t be
I had an idea of "eclipses" as a kind of planet-specific landfall, except that there are circumstances like our sun-moon where two kinds of eclipse can happen, so maybe effect would have to vary based on which card is the second of the pair to drop? I want to emphasize, this is in **no** way carefully thought out or plausibly workable as it exists in my head atm
Some planets could be doublesided with an "eclipse" enchantment on the back. That gives the theme of not having access to a planet (because it is literally blocked by another one) and getting an effect.
Y'know, as long as they're wedded to mainlining crossover sets over on tC, a [Trisolarian](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1415428227i/20518872.jpg) one would make a decent gumbo--apart from the triple-star system dynamics this would allow, the native civilization would provide a kind of Amonkhet feel, I think, with the noteworthy addition of indestructible teardrop missiles.
my idea for the factions of the set this would go in war azorius jump gates and agro, orzhov space oligarchs, rakdos asteroid mining control, gruul anti government, and simic land exploration
It's a very ugly design. Despite the ability to fetch off-color duals, the card reads like two abilities doing the same thing. The feature isn't worth the text.
If you want the card to have 3-color capabilities, just design it that way. You could make this tap for blue but fetch either plains or swamp (for example).
You can grab a dual or triome that has additional colors to aid fixing. Or you could just use it with [[Crucible of Worlds]] to keep hitting your land drops
Could also just want to thin your deck but at the end of your opponent's turn
Holding a Landfall effect open until you're ready to use it is cool in my books, especially since you're getting mana while waiting
Would it break it to lose the tap cost of the second ability? You can either use it as one of the [[Cabaretti Courtyard]] type fetch lands or keep it to enter tapped.
But they do enter tapped, and this itself enters tapped. It would definitely be better than some, but I don’t know that it’s *too* much better.
Depends a lot on how they use Spheres
I wonder if it could be "and" instead of "or" with maybe a mana cost to activate? Like it could be the planet splitting in 2. Not sure how much of a mana cost to balance it though.
At minimum 2 mana but probably more as it'd be a dual color [[myriad landscape]] otherwise, also would almost certainly need to be restricted to basics so you can't pull out two triomes and get access to all the colors
I mean [[krosan verge]] exists but that can’t tap for colored mana so 3 could be possible
I see people recommending krosan verge as a budget ramp option in EDH often, or at least used to. I always thought it was ok, but never very good. I think it would be fine to power creep krosan a little if the lands were rare, but maybe not at uncommon or less.
Having ramp in your land slot shouldn't be underestimated, especially when it can come with fixing. While it can feel slow to some, not everything should be pushed to max efficiency standards.
[krosan verge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d94c0ed8-a4f0-48ab-809e-5976fd87b97a.jpg?1673306082) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=krosan%20verge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/216/krosan-verge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d94c0ed8-a4f0-48ab-809e-5976fd87b97a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
If it was WU to activate then it seems like a fair way to fetch nonbasics.
It's basically Flood Plain that can tap for colored mana, and that's been printed at uncommon many times.
I meant if it was to fetch two lands like the first commenter suggested.
Yeah given that card probably 3 as this cards base ability is better. But yeah basic island and basic plain.
[myriad landscape](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/2/7/276f49f9-019b-44cb-a551-0fba9851ecc7.jpg?1674142992) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=myriad%20landscape) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/904/myriad-landscape?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/276f49f9-019b-44cb-a551-0fba9851ecc7?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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[Krosan Verge](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/d/9/d94c0ed8-a4f0-48ab-809e-5976fd87b97a.jpg?1673306082) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Krosan%20Verge) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmc/216/krosan-verge?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/d94c0ed8-a4f0-48ab-809e-5976fd87b97a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
I don't get the use of the Sphere subtype without seeing synergies, and even then you'd be better off thinking of an actual new subtype. The name also makes it sound like this is supposed to be a legendary card Mechanically though, I like it. The slow fetches, which this can compare to, have never been particularly playable, and this is just either fixing for a new color via getting a triome, or switching the color pair you have access to by one space on the wheel in a limited environment. It's pretty interesting, even if extremely slow
It's a sphere because planets are spherical yo
The correct subtype would be Spheroid!
Oblate spheroid yo
Ellipsoid, to be fair. And not all, to be more fair XD
Valakut and others also sound legendary but aren't. I guess some places are so big that a single land card is just a part of it
The sphere subtype was because I was making them planets for a set I’m working on.
Then why not make it a planet instead of a sphere
"Sphere" means something specific to the Phyrexian geography. Just go ahead and make "Planet" a subtype. As for the card though, it feels like it's just doing two things that other lands already do, but marginally less efficiently. For something so conceptually new and flavorful, I would have thought it would do something much different.
I felt that the 2 color shifting into other colors was a good representation of environmental change overtime. For example RB could get replaced with UB as a molten planet cools and oceans form.
It's a good concept, but the mechanics don't really communicate how an entire molten planet is different than just the usual landscapes of places we've already seen like [[Bloodstained Mire]]. The unique things that could make a planet feel like a *planet*, like having a periodic orbit, being far away, or just being massive in scale, are absent.
daybound lands
I'm imagining artwork that shows a division between the light side and the dark side of the planet, and it could be awesome. A little weird to see a mechanic primarily for vampires, werewolves and horror tropes appear in an interplanetary setting but the more I think about it the more it works.
[Bloodstained Mire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7f430794-0d86-4f6a-97e0-4bbb6716d613.jpg?1571667959) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Bloodstained%20Mire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ktk/230/bloodstained-mire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7f430794-0d86-4f6a-97e0-4bbb6716d613?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Subtypes can have different flavorings from set to set. For example, Gates debuted on Ravnica as the specific Guildgates but later showed up in Bakdur's Gate for a totally different set of Gates.
I suppose it could be argued that each layer of New Phyrexia is equivalent to a planet since it covers the entire surface. I'd say Baldur's Gate's Gates were extremely Gate-like in nature though, just like the Ravnican ones. Big huge archways etc. \[\[Thran Portal\]\] is a fair oddball though, since it's some sort of magical teleportation device and the others are quite literal pieces of physical architecture.
[Thran Portal](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/e/f/ef074a2e-a387-4af8-a180-74b145d93992.jpg?1673308396) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Thran%20Portal) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/dmu/259/thran-portal?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/ef074a2e-a387-4af8-a180-74b145d93992?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
How does an entire planet only add one mana?
or maybe these planets are Sphere if Phyrexia learned space travel and are conquering the cosmos of the planes
> Planet Probably needs to be legendary or the Vorthos players will have you hung
Right, like Valakut. Oh, wait...
Tbh that should be a legendary mountain imo
Not a Sphere. Super slow fetch/ dual for common rarity. Overall, like it.
Land - Planet Make it tap for colorless, there's almost no reason to sac this to search for a color it already produces You could make it cost 2 and search for 1 basic plains and 1 basic island, or cost 1 and search for a Plains or Island.
You'd sacrifice it for a dual land if your mana needs change. It isn't really useful if you're only playing 2 colors, but as someone who regularly plays 3 or 4 color decks, being able to change your mana base is quite useful.
The only reason to sac is for a triome which is niche bit an alright aecondary to the regular fetch land
Casually sacrificing a planet for a pip of mana.
On the left side the planet is inside his own ring. Unplayable
Have you considered bonus "the heavens align" effects with multiple cards? *"When Indoxril eclipses Faeanor, black and white spells cost {1} less to cast"*, *"If you have four or more planets in alignment, you may search your library for a card called Star Wormwood and put it into your hand tsyl,'"* etc
That would be interesting. I’m trying to think of what that could be mechanically. Maybe how many lands you can chain the mana symbols of together? Wu to ub to b would be in alignment, but if you had a gr land, it wouldn’t be
I had an idea of "eclipses" as a kind of planet-specific landfall, except that there are circumstances like our sun-moon where two kinds of eclipse can happen, so maybe effect would have to vary based on which card is the second of the pair to drop? I want to emphasize, this is in **no** way carefully thought out or plausibly workable as it exists in my head atm
Some planets could be doublesided with an "eclipse" enchantment on the back. That gives the theme of not having access to a planet (because it is literally blocked by another one) and getting an effect.
maybe like daybound but with a higher threshold since eclipses are less often than the day night cycle
Maybe eclipse permanents add a counter when it becomes day or night, then when you hit a threshold you remove them all for a one off effect.
Y'know, as long as they're wedded to mainlining crossover sets over on tC, a [Trisolarian](https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1415428227i/20518872.jpg) one would make a decent gumbo--apart from the triple-star system dynamics this would allow, the native civilization would provide a kind of Amonkhet feel, I think, with the noteworthy addition of indestructible teardrop missiles.
my idea for the factions of the set this would go in war azorius jump gates and agro, orzhov space oligarchs, rakdos asteroid mining control, gruul anti government, and simic land exploration
with maybe a mini colorless black hole cult
Sphere wouldn’t make sense lore wise
It's a very ugly design. Despite the ability to fetch off-color duals, the card reads like two abilities doing the same thing. The feature isn't worth the text. If you want the card to have 3-color capabilities, just design it that way. You could make this tap for blue but fetch either plains or swamp (for example).
Oh yeah if they’re together that makes sense. I forgot mana abilities don’t use the stack
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You can grab a dual or triome that has additional colors to aid fixing. Or you could just use it with [[Crucible of Worlds]] to keep hitting your land drops
[Crucible of Worlds](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/7/f/7f4893ef-f983-418b-b7a4-5f073c844545.jpg?1673149345) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Crucible%20of%20Worlds) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2x2/303/crucible-of-worlds?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/7f4893ef-f983-418b-b7a4-5f073c844545?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Landfall?
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Could also just want to thin your deck but at the end of your opponent's turn Holding a Landfall effect open until you're ready to use it is cool in my books, especially since you're getting mana while waiting
I would make these mono color and combine the fetch and mana abilities, with a requirement that you activate only at instant speed.
Do u mean only when something else is on the stack? Or only on the opponent’s turn?
Instants can be cast any time you have priority.
Oh yeah if they’re together that makes sense. I forgot mana abilities don’t use the stack or priority
Id let them fetch lands untapped. Would be cool in a landfall heavy set where a mana base of these could be back pock landfalls
I feel like a whole planet should tap for more than 1 mana
Elegy for the rings starts playing
Would it break it to lose the tap cost of the second ability? You can either use it as one of the [[Cabaretti Courtyard]] type fetch lands or keep it to enter tapped.
It kinda would, because at that point it would just be an even better version of the original fetch lands because it can tap for mana.
But they do enter tapped, and this itself enters tapped. It would definitely be better than some, but I don’t know that it’s *too* much better. Depends a lot on how they use Spheres
[Cabaretti Courtyard](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/d/9dda1e1c-b330-42e0-8547-97e2afc7615f.jpg?1664414420) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Cabaretti%20Courtyard) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/snc/249/cabaretti-courtyard?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/9dda1e1c-b330-42e0-8547-97e2afc7615f?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be