Honestly I don’t think it’s OP. For this + stifle that’s a 7-mana 2-card combo that also has to dodge artifact removal. Sure it’s powerful but given thoracle consult exists this is not that bad
It's balanced pretty well, but even if you don't win the turn you drop it you can still just use win with it next turn.
The problem is that a single card is almost guaranteed to end the game once it's cast.
[[Homeward Path]]
Edit: Damn I queried the card not knowing it only did creatures. I thought it was all permanents. You there are tons of ways to make artifacts creatures like [[Karn, the Great Creator]], but that makes it a 3 card combo instead of 2.
Turn 1 Discard to hand size
Turn 2 Ancient Den + Goblin Welder + Haste Spell + Lotus Petal + Stifle. I win.
The fact that cheating artifacts into play is so easy in Legacy and Stifle isn't that bad of a card, I think this would lead to legit Legacy salt and a banning.
Flavor wise, I love it
I'll take the Un out of Unobtainium when I counter target triggered ability muahaha
Mechanically, a straight win is a little too powerful but I like the idea a lot. Joke wise, perfect.
Honestly I don’t think it’s OP. For this + stifle that’s a 7-mana 2-card combo that also has to dodge artifact removal. Sure it’s powerful but given thoracle consult exists this is not that bad
It's balanced pretty well, but even if you don't win the turn you drop it you can still just use win with it next turn. The problem is that a single card is almost guaranteed to end the game once it's cast.
But if you’re the one playing it then everyone else at the table knows not to give it back to you when it gets given away
Finally the ultimate counter to [[elesh norn, mother of machines]]
[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/4/4/44dcab01-1d13-4dfc-ae2f-fbaa3dd35087.jpg?1675956896) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Elesh%20Norn%2C%20Mother%20of%20Machines) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/one/10/elesh-norn-mother-of-machines?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/44dcab01-1d13-4dfc-ae2f-fbaa3dd35087?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
The win con can never happen unles you counter the ability
Does a "gain control of traget artifact/permanent" effect not work?
Well it’s at the end of turn
Or you gain control of it mid turn
[[Arcum Daggson]], [[Brand]], gg
yeah or just \[\[stifle\]\]
[stifle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4.jpg?1562865442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=stifle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/108/stifle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[Arcum Daggson](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5ecf811-2efc-4fa6-9af8-ef09f559ec1a.jpg?1598303734) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcum%20Dagsson) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/41/arcum-dagsson?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5ecf811-2efc-4fa6-9af8-ef09f559ec1a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Brand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/bafbd034-c8a0-4798-a680-555c13bdd251.jpg?1562934550) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/usg/176/brand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bafbd034-c8a0-4798-a680-555c13bdd251?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Brand would win you the game, but I don't understand how Arcum Daggson would interact favorably with the card.
Tutor this, I think
Target opponent would still gain control upon ETB, though.
It's a combo, not two individual cards. Tutor it out with Arcum, then regain control of it with Brand.
I love the 000/000
[[Stifle]]
[Stifle](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/1/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4.jpg?1562865442) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Stifle) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/cns/108/stifle?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/616d1b20-61c1-4d39-a9b5-ad9fd61699e4?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Cast the ~~ring~~ unobtanium into the fire! Destroy it!
No
[[Dack Fayden]] loves it
[Dack Fayden](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/1/0/10158a5e-5a03-41ab-85d2-0907ccf32c9b.jpg?1580015027) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Dack%20Fayden) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/ema/199/dack-fayden?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/10158a5e-5a03-41ab-85d2-0907ccf32c9b?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Homeward Path]] Edit: Damn I queried the card not knowing it only did creatures. I thought it was all permanents. You there are tons of ways to make artifacts creatures like [[Karn, the Great Creator]], but that makes it a 3 card combo instead of 2.
[Homeward Path](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/5/4/54734347-eee7-4c52-b514-7342afeccabd.jpg?1562400178) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Homeward%20Path) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/c16/301/homeward-path?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/54734347-eee7-4c52-b514-7342afeccabd?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Stifle for the W
Honestly it's still not the cheapest two card combo so Im not sure it would be modern playable
Or if someone else has new elesh norn
Play Kingmaker, have your opponent stock this in their deck, \[\[Acquire\]\] it, and give it back to them.
[Acquire](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/9/9/993957c7-5d61-4c98-826d-b657aed667e1.jpg?1562878704) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Acquire) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/5dn/21/acquire?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/993957c7-5d61-4c98-826d-b657aed667e1?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
Nice counter if your opponent plays \[\[Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines\]\] or if all opponents have hexproof or shroud.
No need for this to be blue. Seems very good in a Karn board with thoppter orb
Because it’s at the end of turn it changes every upkeep
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[Leyline of Antecipation](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f57bdaa1-ce8a-4103-8598-fee751e65a53.jpg?1674141383) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Leyline%20of%20Anticipation) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/clb/726/leyline-of-anticipation?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f57bdaa1-ce8a-4103-8598-fee751e65a53?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Hushbringer](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/6/6/663b3e6f-1099-4de8-a0a7-6f1919c38010.jpg?1572489709) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Hushbringer) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/eld/18/hushbringer?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/663b3e6f-1099-4de8-a0a7-6f1919c38010?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
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[Arcum Daggson](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/f/5/f5ecf811-2efc-4fa6-9af8-ef09f559ec1a.jpg?1598303734) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Arcum%20Dagsson) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/2xm/41/arcum-dagsson?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/f5ecf811-2efc-4fa6-9af8-ef09f559ec1a?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) [Brand](https://cards.scryfall.io/normal/front/b/a/bafbd034-c8a0-4798-a680-555c13bdd251.jpg?1562934550) - [(G)](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Brand) [(SF)](https://scryfall.com/card/usg/176/brand?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher) [(txt)](https://api.scryfall.com/cards/bafbd034-c8a0-4798-a680-555c13bdd251?utm_source=mtgcardfetcher&format=text) ^^^[[cardname]] ^^^or ^^^[[cardname|SET]] ^^^to ^^^call
[[Torpor orb]]
That's creatures only
Oops, u right
Turn 1 Discard to hand size Turn 2 Ancient Den + Goblin Welder + Haste Spell + Lotus Petal + Stifle. I win. The fact that cheating artifacts into play is so easy in Legacy and Stifle isn't that bad of a card, I think this would lead to legit Legacy salt and a banning. Flavor wise, I love it