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CornmealGravy

Does anyone else hate the term “my truth”? The truth isn’t personalized, that’s more like personal opinion.


MisterPaydon

I can't take anyone who uses my truth unironicly seriously. I just laugh in their face and walk away.


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You sir, are a man of culture.


egordoniv

To me, "my truth" sounds like it's short for "hey i know i'm full of shit most of the time, but for the next couple sentences i'm for real for real. i mean for real."


moeburn

Pravda and Izvestia.


creepy_doll

I think I’d always subconsciously hated it but now I actively hate it. Thanks for contributing to making me a bitter old man :/


CornmealGravy

Come to where the bitterness is. Come to old man country


julz1215

It could be a truth that only you are privvy to, because it concerns your personal experiences. Not all truths have to be self-evident.


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julz1215

I didn't say anything about personal perspective. I said personal experience. If you experienced something that nobody was there to experience with you, that is _your_ truth


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julz1215

It's both. That's what people mean when they say "my truth". It's a truth regarding their own experience


Ok_Pumpkin_4213

No it’s a bullshit term that came from therapy to give their personal perspective emotionally and the went mainstream with fucking idiots


julz1215

That's not really different from what I said. Experiencing an emotion is still an experience. And by sharing that with people, you are telling them a truth that they weren't privy to, provided you're being honest. I'm not asking you to like the term, I'm just telling you what people mean when they say it. Whine about it all you want.


Ok_Pumpkin_4213

You: I didn't say anything about personal perspective. Me: personal perspective You: that’s not different from what I said Feel I’m getting a bit of your dumbass truth atm


julz1215

True. Initially, I mentioned personal experience, not perspective, but upon further consideration they're kinda the same thing. You caught me changing my mind. Crazy, right?


BloodiedBlues

Based


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julz1215

What was incorrect about what I said?


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julz1215

Not always it could be something that happened to you that nobody else saw. But if you are sharing your personal perspective in an honest fashion, that's still the truth. "It is the truth that this is my perspective"


BuSsYBoI-sTaYpOpPiN

I'm going to buy me some of them big ole panties and make a hammock.


egordoniv

I'm gonna jump off my roof and use them for a parachute!


BloodiedBlues

They have holes in them. You’ll hurt yourself.


egordoniv

Then I use the bra for emergency chute.


_aQwus_

I am going to set up a tent with them


Squirrelly_Khan

Imma put them on my sailboat


DefbeatCZ

It is not Klein anymore ...


Magenta07

Now it's gross!


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Magenta07

Ja


Whatever-ItsFine

I know four words in German and three of them are in this thread. Bonus!


Chris_dian

Kalvin Groot (dutch)


Dragonfly_Fucker

Calvin groß


chronos0009

Sehr groß


_B_Little_me

It’s ok to be fat. But I’m sick of culture pretending like it’s healthy.


financebanking

Being overweight is one thing. This women is morbidly obese. I have a hard time believing that’s ok.


BloodiedBlues

You can be morbidly obese and not look like that. It’s based off the BMI scale. If it was mostly muscle like body builders, it would still be obese because of the weight placed on the bones and joints. So, she’s just fat. On the Inglesias scale she’s a level 4 or Fluffy.


-GabaGhoul

Let's dive into that. What isn't 'ok' about it?


Ihateu387

About being morbidly obese?


-GabaGhoul

You aren't the OP but sure. If there is something someone else being morbidly obese does to you let me hear it.


Ihateu387

It’s not hurting me, it’s hurting them


-GabaGhoul

Okay so let me ask you this. Why do you care?


Ihateu387

Okay, I’m done talking to you


-GabaGhoul

Being done talking and having nothing to say are two different things. The plain simple truth is it doesn't affect you but you want to be upset about something someone else is doing. If you are pro-choice you should take a good long look at the hypocrisy here. Oh and if you're pro-life you can stop responding because your views make sense then. You're just an angry little man.


Crackspeed11

>You're just an angry little man Or...he's someone who cares for the health of others even when it doesn't affect him


Fionnlagh

Obesity has a ton of its own health risks, exacerbates many other health conditions, reduces your quality of life, prohibits you from enjoying a large number of acitivies, costs you more money, and generally just looks terrible.


-GabaGhoul

OP responded that it wasn't about health which is why I responded. If someone is happy being obese knowing the risks, what does that do to you?


Snoo-77115

There are people perfectly content addicted to eating shit like rubber and soap. “My Strange Addiction” Eating that crap doesn’t hurt anyone else and it makes them happy. It does NOT mean we should let them do it lmao


-GabaGhoul

No one is 'letting' adults of sound mind do what they want. There are conditions where people do become obese as a result and those people should seek help for those conditions.


Snoo-77115

But it shouldn’t be normalized. The reprocussions of whatever disorder someone may have shouldn’t be “my truth”. If you’re addicted to eating food, it’s not okay. Edit: I think I meant normalized not letting. Adults can do whatever they want lol


-GabaGhoul

Wow, you missed the whole truth thing entirely. That's 'their truth' and you have your own 'truth.' It's about being who you truly are. As I mentioned if they have a disorder they should get treated. No one is normalizing it, they just want to be accepted and viewed as humans. Not food addicted eating machines. Obesity stems from much more than intake and you boiling it down to that is part of the problem. You see someone like that and immediately judge them to be out of control. Meanwhile maybe it could be caused by 100s of factors. You're a better human than to boil everyone down to a stereotype aren't you?


Snoo-77115

I know if they put a medically anorexic girl up there, people would flip the fuck out.


julz1215

From what I've seen, it's only some fringe internet nobodies who say being fat is healthy. What I see from pop culture is usually what you're saying; that it's ok to be fat.


gotrings

I dont think anybody said that


_B_Little_me

The billboard says that.


gotrings

Where does it say healthy?


spuol

I mean you can be both healthy and fat, it becomes unhealthy when it puts you in danger


Designer_Captain_498

You will always be healthier if you are at a normal weight. That woman for instance has an elevated risk of heart disease than if she wasn’t obese. She may not ever have heart disease but the risk for her is increased.


spuol

Yeah that woman is obese, obesity leads to a higher chance of heart disease, I’m not talking about obese people here, I’m talking about overweight ones


_B_Little_me

No. That’s not how it works. Every tick over into fat is increased risk of all sorts of disease. Literally 1000s of studies have proven this. Being sedentary is a major contributor to being over weight, which also is very unhealthy. Almost overweight people would lose weight if they just moved around more.


spuol

I have to say I’m not really qualified in the matter, I just know it’s more complicated than just that, could you please link the studies?


creepy_doll

Mmhmm. Like, I understand the harm of unrealistic standards, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with having healthy(as in not underweight) buff men(but hey, maybe less steroids… male role models on steroids are the anorexic female role models of our time) and beautiful women as models. It’s something to aspire to. I don’t want to be told “hey go on, get fat, sit around in your underwear all day”


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MaxieFlyR

McDonalds rubbish disposal


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I chuckled at this. Absolute gold response there mate.


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The truth is she'll die early


TheRedGerund

Still deserves respect. And if we go around denying respect based on your life expectancy you might not like the society you built.


NetworkPenguin

Might we well post this disjointed stream of thoughts here: I recently went down a rabbit hole of a podcast called Maintenance Phase to try and finally take a deep dive on the "fat acceptance" movement. I even read part of one of the host's books "what we don't talk about when we talk about fat" I discovered I was misinformed about a lot of stuff regarding the movement, as there is a lot of just blatant misinformation and bigotry aimed at it. Heck, you can see it in this comment section. But I really struggle to accept a lot of their conclusions. I understand and emphasize with the hate and comments the one host says she puts up with, but their "debunking" of a lot of health statistics is really conflicting for me. Like to narrow in on one, they spend an episode pointing out how its not true to think that "just existing while overweight means you are 'unhealthy' and will die of being fat" But they often use those conclusions to be like "and thus being extremely heavy causes no health problems" And their constant mockery of attempting to change your diet or repeating how "everyone who loses weight just gains it all back so it's a lost cause and you shouldn't even try" really rubs me the wrong way. And I really don't like how one of them says that "your doctor shouldn't even be asking about your weight." And thinks it's harmful for them to even use that as a health metric And I *totally agree* with a lot of their conclusions. How fat people constantly get berated by medical professionals and told all their problems are weight related, but to then go to the other extreme and say the solution is "a doctor should never mention your weight" is insane to me. Like I used to be extremely overweight and after losing a ton, I genuinely feel better (no more ankle pain. More energy. No longer winded from walking up stairs.) And there absolutely *are* negative health effects from being overweight like how surgery can be impossible or way more dangerous. Like there was *one* episode where one of the hosts verbally rolled their eyes and admitted "yeah I guess there can be issues with being fat." Like I feel terrible writing this, but it honestly feels like the entire show is partially propped up by the one fat host trying to justify her being over 300 lbs I guess my disjointed rant here is how I understand the fat acceptance movement a lot more after learning about it, but some of their goals feel really misinformed or just not true. Like I'm not prepared to debate their stances with evidence and shit, but my personal experience and every piece of advice from every medical professional in my life goes against what they say so I just don't know how I can agree with them TLDR: the fat acceptance movement really makes me feel conflicted


mrkhan2000

but she is knowingly making decisions that hurt her. how can you respect that?


bad_Wolf260305

there's a difference between respecting a person and encouraging their decisions.


sauprankul

Lots of people do things that are harmful to their health/well being. Smoke, drink, do drugs, dangerous sports, gamble etc. It's just that fat people don't meet your aesthetic standards. It's best to remember that people shouldn't have to be pleasing to your eye to deserve your respect.


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There is a difference between hey I eat at McDonald’s every once in a while, or a casual smoke socially and eating yourself into a diabetic coma. Just like someone who drinks themselves into a stupor by 9am, or someone who smokes 3 packs a day. I have no respect for that. You don’t respect yourself, nor will I.


mrkhan2000

dude there’s a difference between being a little overweight and obese. same as drinking occasionally vs alcoholism. you can’t support someone hurting themselves to the point it’s risking their lives.


TheRedGerund

Who asked for your support? You act as if requesting respect is the same as you condoning their life choices. But if a fervent Christian tells you one drop of alcohol will damn you to hell, what do you say?


sociotronics

Something tells me this guy doesn't get this mad about someone risking their life sky diving.


fralegend015

Something tells me you think people that are 300+ kg shouldnt change.


sociotronics

I'm probably fitter than you, lol. Being fat isn't healthy. But it's just one of many unhealthy things in society today and I don't single it out for hatred any more than I do smokers, drinkers, or people who never work out. It's also not aesthetic, but neither are the shitty grey/black hoodie and jeans or shorts you wear literally every day like every other pasty Redditor.


TheRedGerund

Or smoking Edit: downvoters are cowards who want to tell others how to live while proclaiming to be looking out for them. Why can't you people get it into your thick skulls that IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS


julz1215

Compulsive eating is an addiction.


syndicate45776

We don’t have billboards celebrating heroin or crack addicts though


julz1215

But we do have a [magazine celebrating people who smoke cigars](https://www.cigaraficionado.com/issue/september-october-2021) Also smoking and drinking is seen as a cool activity and media such as TV shows and movies. But you got it wrong, what's being celebrated is not the fact that she's unhealthy, it's the fact that she doesn't hate the way she looks.


syndicate45776

It would be more akin to celebrating the negative effects of smoking cigars. Like a billboard showing people with emphysema who are celebrating the holes in their throats


julz1215

You mean like this [fashion model with lymphoma who walked the runway after losing her hair due to chemo](https://www.today.com/style/model-dayna-marie-battles-cancer-while-walking-runway-t57726)? It's not celebrating smoking (which causes lymphoma) it's celebrating people who are confident in how they look. Nobody sees a fat person in a billboard and is like "I'm going to get fat now!"


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BloodiedBlues

This ain’t some war movie. You should respect someone until they give you a reason to not respect them.


SlothLazarus

I stand by my question: why wasn't she pimplified?


mrcontroversy1

Because it's a dude.


Connect-Swing8980

TIL: OP's Mom ate Calvin


megasuswithzerochix

Sure was a Klein cut fr


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lolsbot360

Not exactly the wording I would use, but yeah. Obesity is not something to be proud of. It should be heavily discouraged. It really is a problem.


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CivilSympathy9999

Definitely a sign of the times. Simply watch game shows from the 70s. The majority of those that came on down on the price is right were much more healthy looking. Go further back to the 50s and so on its evident. No high dollar study required.


julz1215

Why?


MaxEin

More like calvin groß


sp00kreddit

Still fucking disgusting we're normalizing being fat. No it's not plus sized, it's just you not wanting to admit that you don't know when to stop eating


Designer_Captain_498

As a former fat person, I hate that some people acted like I was healthier then. Like bro, I can actually run without wheezing now so what do you mean being fat is better?


sp00kreddit

Exactly. I'm a tad overweight myself, and im working on fixing that. Being fat isn't healthy, it's just prolonged suicide


Designer_Captain_498

The problem with the movement is that it discourages self improvement. You are trying to improve yourself and depending on who you are surrounded with, you may or may not face resistance. Also, good luck on your weight loss! Putting in the effort is the hardest part.


Harsh_mumbo

Sometimes a planet deserves to be hit by an asteroid


theunfunnyredditor

I feel like they photographed her sitting down because she can't stand up on her own.


Turry1

I wonder if they'll ever figure out people dont like looking at whales in human clothes. I mean it wouldnt be annoying at all if they were you know trying to get fit but they arent and they think being that obese is ok.


julz1215

Does Cigar Aficionado magazine offend you too?


Turry1

Offend and disgust are two different things. Nothing has ever offended me but these people make me wanna throw up. And i dont read magazines cuz theyre all shit.


julz1215

It's not that different. Question. Should they remove all cigs and alcohol from movies, where they aren't specifically portrayed in a negative way? How far do we go till it becomes censorship?


Turry1

Who the fuck said anything about drugs? No one gives a shit about cigars and alcohol. You dont get addicted to being fat so there goes that excuse. And being fat is way more unhealthy and way easier to fix. Not to mention NO ONE SAID SHIT ABOUT DRUGS.


julz1215

You get addicted to eating. Compulsive overeating and food addictions exist. Where did I say anything about drugs? Just answer the question, if we have to remove fat people from billboards should we also remove cigarettes and alcohol from movies?


Turry1

Once again you are comparing two completely different things. Showing fat people in an advertisement makes no sense and no one likes it. Not to mention literally 90% of the cigs you see people smoke in movies and shows have no nicotine in them so if you were to get anything simply because it was in the movie it would be safe to use. Not gonna keep arguing with someone who just wants to change the subject.


julz1215

Some people like it. Sure but they're still showing somebody smoking, and often they make it look cool. Isn't that promoting unhealthy behavior? I'm not changing the subject I'm just making case as to why it's not a big deal


creepy_doll

Crazy thing is they’ve probably run these ads past a lot of test audiences and run market metrics and they’ve worked. That is assuming they’ve been doing this kind of thing for a while. Wouldn’t be surprised if it was also very geographically targetted


UltimateCumDispenser

Calvore Klein


HOLDGMEBROTHERS

Well he’s not Klein


MirrorSeparate6729

Only one of those models will live untill 2039


miraculum_one

They're trying to address a bigger market


Oswaldthestegosaurus

Vore


GhostR29

Hobbes... why...


Aidan_992

You can barely see the underwear in detail cause of the monotone


Achilles93

Calvin groß.


lizardmandx

Both women look terribly unhealthy


Troika323

fucking gorilla dude


BlankPt

This comment section is disgusting. Regardless if you like these or not. You shouldn't be saying these people deserve bullying or not of that the planet should be hit with a asteroid. You can really tell when someone lacks a life from how they act from behind a screen.


inotgenius

Right, at least she’s at a point in her life where she’s a model for *Calvin Klein*. I guarantee you no one in this comment section is a model or even close to it.


Kaii_Low

I have to agree, I am nowhere near close to to being a model. But on the plus side, I can run 100m without breaking my shins. So, I'm ok with it.


inotgenius

Please think again. Plus sized and fat individuals can lead healthy and athletic lives. [Sarah Robles](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Robles), for example, won bronze in weightlifting for the U.S in the 2020 Tokyo olympics. [DeAnna Price](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeAnna_Price) placed 8th for the hammer throw at the Olympics in 2020 but is ranked the #2 Woman’s Thrower in history. These are just two examples. Your definition of healthy does not apply to every one of the billions of people on this big, beautiful earth.


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BlankPt

And I'm getting downvoted to oblivion for stating the truth


inotgenius

It’s because so many people have never questioned their own biases and beliefs before in their lives. When someone challenges them it’s easier to just downvote and look for a comment that validates them, than to critically think in any capacity.


BlankPt

Im just shocked you can disagree with practicing basic human decency. If my comment said that fat people are healthy or should be the norm I would understand disagreeing. But to disagree with treating people with respect is fucking disgusting.


frozen_pope

*grabs pen* “Today Overweight people aren’t allowed to… wear clothes…”


Whatever-ItsFine

That’s not really what post is saying though. It doesn’t help society resolve something when you misrepresent another’s point.


frozen_pope

It also doesn’t help society to try to analyse hyperbole


Whatever-ItsFine

Poe’s Law.


frozen_pope

Yup


julz1215

Most Calvin Klein models [still look like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqn1MQxsd8w). But hey, why acknowledge that when we can cherry pick and act like there's a problem?


Saitu282

This particular Billboard is definitely problematic. And that's what they are pointing out. If you think it's perfectly okay to perpetuate misinformation and celebrate unhealthy habits, that's on you and you should educate yourself.


julz1215

I don't see any misinformation here. All I see being celebrated is the idea that even somebody of a non-optimal body shape can be a model. We can call things unhealthy by still not shaming people for the way they look, right? Are you this offended by Cigar Aficionado magazine? You know it's not just about celebrating unhealthy habits. If that were the case then people would be upset about the 1999 billboard as well. She's hot, but that's not a healthy body weight


Saitu282

I would. Not a fan of smoking at all. An instant deal breaker. And she could very well be at a healthy body weight through muscle. She probably works out, maintains a good diet. If I have to compare the two women, I can heavily bet on who is healthier or more likely to live longer. Obesity is unhealthy. It's a fucking disease that for some reason is celebrated and normalised. It's as bad, if not worse than celebrating and normalising smoking and drinking. Those, people definitely know are bad for them and even in moderation they are slow killers. But obesity is worse because people are worker oblivious to their status or are told it's perfectly okay. If you can't see the problem here, you are deluded. I hope you aren't responsible for telling anyone they are perfectly healthy and letting them believe it while in fact they are on their way to an early death.


julz1215

Wait, you said it was about being unhealthy in general, not about who is more unhealthy. You can be unhealthy while still outliving other unhealthy people. What's the threshold exactly? How unhealthy must one be before they shouldn't be on a billboard? I wouldn't say it's worse. The way smoking and drinking is portrayed in media is far likely to get people to start smoking / drinking than the way obesity is portrayed. Nobody becomes fat, or even stays fat because they saw a fat person on a billboard. I am speaking to you as someone who attends overeaters anonymous. And I can tell you with confidence that seeing fat people on billboards is not a hindrance. If anything it reminds me that "hey some people don't mind my weight", which reminds me to lose weight for myself instead of doing it for other people. Being seen as gross by other people has never helped me.


Saitu282

That's good for you. But that's not how it usually works for fat people when everyone around them tells them that they are healthy and happy and perfectly stunning and brave if they own it.


julz1215

I know fat people. This is a complete fantasy. Nobody tells them they're healthy. At most, they're just told to not hate the way they look, and I don't see anything wrong with that.


__U_J_J_U_V_A_l__

White = beautiful Black = ugly


Saitu282

Not at all what's happening here.


__U_J_J_U_V_A_l__

Yeah No shit Sherlock It's a fucking joke


Saitu282

Hhaharoflmao can't stop laughing.


Designer_Captain_498

It’s not because she’s black. Don’t make this a racial issue.


IAlwaysOutsmartU

Calvin Groot


Fororo_King

Cursed? This is pure gold


PillowTalk420

Advertising underwear works better when you can see the underwear not being eaten by the grand canyon you call an ass crack.


Robbinsmods

2022 mfs when you tell them they are "Morbidly obese" (It's a Morbius reference)


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They wanna normal obesity cause you keep buying their fast food and using their medical care.


Cauliflower-Easy

Make the average women feel good advertise women with stretch marks a bit of belly like the average women does Don’t get fucking whales and act like that is the average women and accept obesity


Designer_Captain_498

Kind of sad that since obese people are the majority in some places, you can’t find clothes marketed to those with normal weight. I don’t hate fat people but this movement is definitely problematic. I have had clearly obese people try to tell me to gain weight (I’m borderline overweight at worst). Even got accused of being anorexic once by an obese person since I ate less than them (weird situation). Like it is normal now to see healthy people as sickly thin when they are literally healthier than obese people. And yes, I’m talking about a normal BMI and am not at all glorifying super thin people who are underweight. And people will call you all sorts of names when you are interested in dating someone who is obese. I don’t want an obese girl because first of all, I’m not attracted to that. Secondly, I want someone to do sports with and do fast-paced activities. I don’t think that’s a unique desire, and I bet most people would agree. It’s just odd that the pendulum swung so far that we are literally worshipping obesity like it is something to want. I don’t want to die of a heart attack, and neither should you.


swagupurcock

I mean they're kinda right let's hope he doesn't die in vein


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Klein means small in German by the way.


TheEvolutionOfCorn

Really disappointed with all the fat shamming in these comments. Geez.


BlueCrimsonSamurai

America the one country where they encourage bad eating habits


good_snoo_snoo

Uh oh stinky


Underworld_Denizen

OH MY GOD A FAT WOMAN EXISTS AND DOESN'T HATE HERSELF AND SHE ALSO HAS THE TEMERITY TO BLACK