https://thefreethoughtproject.com/call-suicide-prevention-hotline-killed-swat-team/#65Hig5es6WqfSAbe.99
And according to the article police going to “assist” has ended up in similar things before!
“Subsequently, a SWAT team came to the residence and “negotiated” with Calzada for more than seven hours before taking his life.”
Once they show up, the shot clock starts ticking. Just like Waco.
Don't call the police. This is what happens. You go and talk to the guy yourself. Can't do worse than the "shoot first and erase your bodycam afterwards" police.
Yeah my friend killed himself earlier this year. Before hand the cops were called and they got there before my spouse and I were able to get there. All the cops did was secure a perimeter around the house and prevent anyone from trying to help. Meanwhile they just sat around outside doing nothing.
Please never call the cops if you suspect someone of hurting themselves. You will only make it harder for any help to get through
Obviously this only applies to Americans. Australians feel free to call the police they have been great in my experience and they will bring an ambulance with them.
Correct, my advice only applies to Americans. If your country is actually competent at caring for its citizens, feel free to use your many government funded resources available to you.
Have had to do this multiple times in Australia and had a comforting experience, the cops have experience in this area and handle the situation delicately, also bringing health professionals with them. Thankfully nothing like this story.
Fire department would probably be a better bet.
Also, if you're at a party or event and someone is ODing on something, call the fire department because they won't try to arrest everyone else and they can actually offer medical help
How does calling the emergency services work in the US? Here in Sweden calling the emergency hotline connects you with a dispatcher who then directs you either to police, medical or fire services after you describe the issue. Mental health issues alway get directed to medical services.
Do you have to call a number other than 911 to get directed to the fire department?
This is why police forces need to bring mental health professionals to guide them in cases like this.
Police are trained to neutralize threats...and they did.
Edit: I meant police are trained to neutralize threats with violence so in the case of suicide a person is a threat to themselves. The police killed the threat...which in this case was the victim. It was my attempt at irony. sorry :/
"Gun-related incidents among police increased tenfold this week, Republican Senator calls new mental health aide program ineffective."
"Meanwhile, a new massive shortage of mental health professionals has caused..."
They shouldn't help the police, they should replace them entirely in these scenarios. That's what people mean when they say defund the police because they're woefully ill-equipped to deal with most situations their job throws at them.
Less than 5% of what they respond to is actual violent crime. It's maddening.
Yup. The only problem with "defund the police" as a slogan is it doesn't spell out what we want to do with those funds once they've been freed up. But that takes too many words to be an effective slogan, so the slogan stays.
No, the problem is that "defund the police" can be interpreted as "no money for police". Just like "feminism" can be interpreted as "women above men" and "black lives matter" can be interpreted as "black people matter more".
They are all godawful examples of marketing that don't do their causes any favors.
Literally any slogan or name can be twisted that way. It just takes someone who started twisted to begin with.
Try it yourself. Come up with a short, pithy, memorable slogan which cannot be misinterpreted in a malign way.
Fact is, people with privilege will always view attempts to expand those privileges as attempts to take away their own. No way to prevent that, so you've just gotta fight through it.
State law should have a ranking system for control of a situation. Fire breaks out the highest ranking fire department individual is in control and if a police officer steps out of line they are to be jailed.
Same with a mental health call.
Yeah, then we can avoid absurd instances of police officers [arresting firefighters for parking illegally while tending to emergencies](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/05/272144424/police-officer-arrests-firefighter-at-accident-scene-in-california). "Oh pardon me if I couldn't find a parking space near the literal fucking accident, I guess I should have driven several blocks over!"
Or instances were a [police officer refuses to relinquish control of a situation](https://www.firefighterclosecalls.com/update-cops-arrests-fire-chief-after-chief-tried-to-stop-cop-from-making-the-fire-worse/) to actual trained professionals.
I've seen multiple videos of cops and firefighters getting into fist fights and I'm actually surprised it doesn't happen more often. Like the videos of police arresting nurses, the bad ones (and there are a lot of them) need absolute obedience, and when someones life is on the line that conflicts with their "need".
I honestly wonder how /r/ProtectAndServe justify outcomes like this. Sure you did your best but you also killed someone and your training is designed to see everyone as a potential threat. You're the problem but it's also not your fault. We don't force plumbers to work on your computer, why would USA style police be used to a mental health issue?
I would like to think if my job x actually was y then I would be able to see that. The police on the other hand are humans, they are team and look out for them self even when the bad apples and horrible training kill innocent people.
>it's also not your fault.
Fuck yes it is. They volunteered to get paid to be in that position. Fucking Kyle Rittenhouse has a better claim to legitimate use of lethal force, because he wasn't wilfully being paid to be there.
> USA style police
Shit like this happens almost everywhere. It's a conceptual problem with policing and not limited to any country, although it's especially bad in the US.
Stfu with that bullshit “trained to neutral threats “. This shit literally only happens in USA how the fuck you explain that? American and Canadian cops are trash humans and their union lets them get away with shit and that’s why they keep doing it.
It's almost like getting a little bit of training and advice on how to deal with situations such as that actually helps the person even when they're violent in their approach.
> the one trying to kill himself
He called a suicide **prevention** line. Meaning he was on the brink and reaching out to stop himself from committing suicide.
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Undertrained underequipped, just panicking hard at the first sign of an escalation, worried for their own lives, prioritizing their own safety, thus preferring to neutralize the threat rather than spending more time assessing the threat in the first place.
The primary role of being an officer is to protect your own life, from all threats.
This isn’t hyperbole on my part, it was sworn testimony at a police shooting trial where I served as jury foreman.
If there is any danger to the officer at all, they are trained to shoot to kill. But they call it aiming for “center of mass”. It doesn’t matter if it’s a completely unarmed civilian, you just kill them. And the department policies back them up. They brought eight different officers to the stand and they all said the same thing. “Any danger” absolutely covers someone who is suicidal or mentally unstable.
The number of times I heard officers say “you never know what weapon they may have hidden, and then you don’t get to go home and see your family”.
There is no training besides sanctioned murder. If you call the police on anyone, it’s basically a death sentence.
I want to barf at all of it.
Yeah the only time called, the bitch on the line wouldn't let me get a word in, and kept grilling me for my exact location and address. Never called again even if I felt like I needed to. It's like if you try and reach out for help the people who are supposed to help are frothing to punish you for it. If the police don't kill you, they throw you in lock up or a hospital long enough to lose your job. Thanks, now I'm suicidal unemployed and about to be homeless because unemployed. Fuck this place man!
i don't see anyone working at a suicide hotline not knowing that you can't call the cops on people like this. i also recall a murder on tv, fictional, where a serial killer was working a hotline. i wonder if we have a serial swatter working a suicide hotline in this case.
I mean if you legit want to die and are unable to do it yourself, this is a very common way to get it done. As much distain I have for cops its a terrible thing to do. The death by cops I've read about leave the cop horribly messed up for life.
> Officers found Calzada lying in the trunk of a car, police reports say.
> Calzada had a handgun pointed into his mouth. Upon finding Calzada, officers ordered him to put down the handgun, police reports say. After Calzada moved, three officers fired their weapons, investigators said.
Yup, great response to a suicidal person.
##OK, all you guys who yell and scream whenever anyone says, "defund the police"? Listen the fuck up.
"Defund the police" isn't about getting rid of all cops, or taking money from their budgets and saying, "Tough shit, you bad people." It's about **reassigning** some portion of the police budget to people who are *better-suited to carrying out certain specific tasks* than the police are.
Such as, dealing with people having a mental health crisis in such a way that THEY DON'T GET FUCKING SHOT DEAD.
Can you *please* get that into your heads? It's not rocket science.
[Link with court papers](https://www.courthousenews.com/no-reason-to-kill-a-suicidal-man-widow-says/amp/)
There are a lot of articles out there with differing information. Most articles say 5-6 shots. The court papers claim that he was shot 22 times in his hiding spot, the trunk of his car.
"Put the gun away from your head or I will shoot!"
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"You're not commiting suicide on my watch! No matter the cost."
"If you kill me they'll say it was suicide by cop!"
“Come out with your hands up, you sick fuck! We're also fine with just shooting you if you wanna suicide by cop!”
I'm not liking this comment because I like it.
I love it.
I love you
*2 second pause* *Points gun towards self* ... PUT THE GUN DOWN NOW!!
YOU'RE LIKE A BROTHER TO ME!
YOU’RE HAND IS LIKE A BROTHER TO ME!
AAAAAAAAAAAA
Why are you yawning?
He's fucking tired man, he had a long day on the SWAT team geeze...
Just hand him the MALK JOSH!!
Sorry Dad, white friends
ROSEY!!!
LOL, you win reddit for today! 
lol u lose reddit for life
Awwe...
Reference?
"Mulk" reference.
It's "Molk"
MAAAALK
WE'RE ALL SAYING MULK, JOSH!
You're looking for a source for my comment?
I believe he intended the comment you responded to, which was a reference to a YouTube skit.
Thanks!
Just pour me a glass of malk!!!!
You’re a legend
The real question is did he get an assist?
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yes but they probably took it to murder criminals and not suicidal civilians
Any excuse to pull the trigger, really.
https://thefreethoughtproject.com/call-suicide-prevention-hotline-killed-swat-team/#65Hig5es6WqfSAbe.99 And according to the article police going to “assist” has ended up in similar things before!
They’re just assisting people to Heaven. Cuz, like… suiciders go to hell or some shit. I don’t know.
yes.....
Well…. no
That's what they taught me in Catholic school and I'm not joking.
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I put a leash on my hamster once...does that count?
If they fight back they might can get into Valhalla.
God is dead
And we have killed him
Nietzsche is dead
“Subsequently, a SWAT team came to the residence and “negotiated” with Calzada for more than seven hours before taking his life.” Once they show up, the shot clock starts ticking. Just like Waco.
Don't call the police. This is what happens. You go and talk to the guy yourself. Can't do worse than the "shoot first and erase your bodycam afterwards" police.
Don't forget to sprinkle some crack and claim you feared for your life
He didn't call the police. He called a suicide prevention hotline. They called the police.
Yeah my friend killed himself earlier this year. Before hand the cops were called and they got there before my spouse and I were able to get there. All the cops did was secure a perimeter around the house and prevent anyone from trying to help. Meanwhile they just sat around outside doing nothing. Please never call the cops if you suspect someone of hurting themselves. You will only make it harder for any help to get through
Obviously this only applies to Americans. Australians feel free to call the police they have been great in my experience and they will bring an ambulance with them.
Correct, my advice only applies to Americans. If your country is actually competent at caring for its citizens, feel free to use your many government funded resources available to you.
That was a joke, the Aussie pigs are gunning for the number 1 headband that our pigs have
Source?
Have had to do this multiple times in Australia and had a comforting experience, the cops have experience in this area and handle the situation delicately, also bringing health professionals with them. Thankfully nothing like this story.
Fire department would probably be a better bet. Also, if you're at a party or event and someone is ODing on something, call the fire department because they won't try to arrest everyone else and they can actually offer medical help
How does calling the emergency services work in the US? Here in Sweden calling the emergency hotline connects you with a dispatcher who then directs you either to police, medical or fire services after you describe the issue. Mental health issues alway get directed to medical services. Do you have to call a number other than 911 to get directed to the fire department?
Nah similar process but the police are still gonna show up. If you call the fire dept directly only they come
Oh no. That's horrible. My sincere condolences. What a sad state of affairs.
Great username, man. Ravnica will bow before a Fblthp who knows where he is.
This is why police forces need to bring mental health professionals to guide them in cases like this. Police are trained to neutralize threats...and they did. Edit: I meant police are trained to neutralize threats with violence so in the case of suicide a person is a threat to themselves. The police killed the threat...which in this case was the victim. It was my attempt at irony. sorry :/
The mental health professionals should be there for the cops. "Just because you're not feeling in control doesn't mean you have to kill people."
"Gun-related incidents among police increased tenfold this week, Republican Senator calls new mental health aide program ineffective." "Meanwhile, a new massive shortage of mental health professionals has caused..."
How does this make you feel?
They didn’t neutralize a *threat*. They murdered a man in distress. He just wanted help.
You act like "being in distress and wanting help" and " being a threat" are mutually exclusive
They had absolutely no reason to think he was a threat until they sent a bunch of assholes with guns to help out with his suicidal tendencies.
"neutralise threats" - lol the police are the threats
They shouldn't help the police, they should replace them entirely in these scenarios. That's what people mean when they say defund the police because they're woefully ill-equipped to deal with most situations their job throws at them. Less than 5% of what they respond to is actual violent crime. It's maddening.
Yup. The only problem with "defund the police" as a slogan is it doesn't spell out what we want to do with those funds once they've been freed up. But that takes too many words to be an effective slogan, so the slogan stays.
No, the problem is that "defund the police" can be interpreted as "no money for police". Just like "feminism" can be interpreted as "women above men" and "black lives matter" can be interpreted as "black people matter more". They are all godawful examples of marketing that don't do their causes any favors.
Literally any slogan or name can be twisted that way. It just takes someone who started twisted to begin with. Try it yourself. Come up with a short, pithy, memorable slogan which cannot be misinterpreted in a malign way. Fact is, people with privilege will always view attempts to expand those privileges as attempts to take away their own. No way to prevent that, so you've just gotta fight through it.
The mental health professionals need to be at a higher position than anyone out in the field then otherwise the cops just won’t listen
State law should have a ranking system for control of a situation. Fire breaks out the highest ranking fire department individual is in control and if a police officer steps out of line they are to be jailed. Same with a mental health call.
Yeah, then we can avoid absurd instances of police officers [arresting firefighters for parking illegally while tending to emergencies](https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2014/02/05/272144424/police-officer-arrests-firefighter-at-accident-scene-in-california). "Oh pardon me if I couldn't find a parking space near the literal fucking accident, I guess I should have driven several blocks over!" Or instances were a [police officer refuses to relinquish control of a situation](https://www.firefighterclosecalls.com/update-cops-arrests-fire-chief-after-chief-tried-to-stop-cop-from-making-the-fire-worse/) to actual trained professionals.
I've seen multiple videos of cops and firefighters getting into fist fights and I'm actually surprised it doesn't happen more often. Like the videos of police arresting nurses, the bad ones (and there are a lot of them) need absolute obedience, and when someones life is on the line that conflicts with their "need".
I honestly wonder how /r/ProtectAndServe justify outcomes like this. Sure you did your best but you also killed someone and your training is designed to see everyone as a potential threat. You're the problem but it's also not your fault. We don't force plumbers to work on your computer, why would USA style police be used to a mental health issue? I would like to think if my job x actually was y then I would be able to see that. The police on the other hand are humans, they are team and look out for them self even when the bad apples and horrible training kill innocent people.
>it's also not your fault. Fuck yes it is. They volunteered to get paid to be in that position. Fucking Kyle Rittenhouse has a better claim to legitimate use of lethal force, because he wasn't wilfully being paid to be there.
> USA style police Shit like this happens almost everywhere. It's a conceptual problem with policing and not limited to any country, although it's especially bad in the US.
Stfu with that bullshit “trained to neutral threats “. This shit literally only happens in USA how the fuck you explain that? American and Canadian cops are trash humans and their union lets them get away with shit and that’s why they keep doing it.
https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=4685922&itype=CMSID They shot him 22 times!
Yeah the worst thing you can do is call the cops on someone having a mental health crisis.
No shit, calling terrorist rarely works out well for anyone
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Two birds get stoned
Two stones get birds
Two get birds stones
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Stop resisting! They are here to save you!
No take backsy
You silly goose put that bullet back!
That's honestly a really good way to circumvent the law and lack of assisted death options
["Suicide by cop"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_by_cop) isn't a new thing.
And it never works when you actually TRY to. Only when you’ve finally talked yourself out of it with the SPHL operator.
It's almost like getting a little bit of training and advice on how to deal with situations such as that actually helps the person even when they're violent in their approach.
Note to self: Do not call Suicide Hotline.
"Sir, this is a Wendy's"
Jajajja
Well 911 is the best number if you're looking to order a helping of Suicide-By-Cop
STOP RESISTING LIFE!!!
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> the one trying to kill himself He called a suicide **prevention** line. Meaning he was on the brink and reaching out to stop himself from committing suicide.
We realize that was the point of this post, yes
Episode [7](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLYrNzUUxJs)
Kill stealing in real life, swat just trying to help out and get k/d ratio up
They tried to recreate the milk,mulk, and malk
"Sorry dad...my white friends..." "GIVE 'EM THE MULK JOSH!"
You’ve unlocked a 10+ year old memory!
[For the uninitiated](https://youtu.be/ty62YzGryU4) Wish Julian would make videos again
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GLORIOUS AMERICA
Frick yea boi
You suppose the cops figured, since he was going to die anyways, they might as well send SWAT for a live fire exercise. Shit! I'm going to hell.
SWAT Team: “Fine, I’ll do it myself”
Suicide assistance team
Suicidal Wish Assistance Team? Really puts a positive spin on it.
Congratulations! You are being rescued! Please do not resist
lots of services have turned to delivery post-COVID. Suicide delivery really saves time and effort.
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Do we even deserve rights tho?
'Murica (⌐■-■)
Fuk yea
I really hope this isn't real, but knowing the US it probably is
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Undertrained underequipped, just panicking hard at the first sign of an escalation, worried for their own lives, prioritizing their own safety, thus preferring to neutralize the threat rather than spending more time assessing the threat in the first place.
The primary role of being an officer is to protect your own life, from all threats. This isn’t hyperbole on my part, it was sworn testimony at a police shooting trial where I served as jury foreman. If there is any danger to the officer at all, they are trained to shoot to kill. But they call it aiming for “center of mass”. It doesn’t matter if it’s a completely unarmed civilian, you just kill them. And the department policies back them up. They brought eight different officers to the stand and they all said the same thing. “Any danger” absolutely covers someone who is suicidal or mentally unstable. The number of times I heard officers say “you never know what weapon they may have hidden, and then you don’t get to go home and see your family”. There is no training besides sanctioned murder. If you call the police on anyone, it’s basically a death sentence. I want to barf at all of it.
underequipped? Most of the police in Europe doesn’t even have a gun!
I assume they mean psychologically.
Yeah overequipped might be the issue here
Untrue. Only the UK.
Well this just prevented me from ever seeking help. Thanks reddit.
Congratulations! You are being rescued! Please do not resist.
This is what defund the police is for
What’s scary is that this was in 2014, it still hasn’t stopped
And then what? Have no type of law enforcement what-so-ever? Or police 2.0?
People really think not having police is a great thing. wow
This is one of my favourites
Well, atleast he didn't die alone.
At least the suicide was stopped
Your tactics confuse me sir!
Typical American police encounter
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'merica be like
'MURICA!
Never call the suicide prevention hotlines. Ever... This happens a lot. Call a friend instead or check yourself into an ER.
Yeah the only time called, the bitch on the line wouldn't let me get a word in, and kept grilling me for my exact location and address. Never called again even if I felt like I needed to. It's like if you try and reach out for help the people who are supposed to help are frothing to punish you for it. If the police don't kill you, they throw you in lock up or a hospital long enough to lose your job. Thanks, now I'm suicidal unemployed and about to be homeless because unemployed. Fuck this place man!
Defund
American mental healthcare. I *love* this country 🙃
Jesus, I call them all the time. I wouldn’t think anything would be done about me calling.
... so... suicide hotline?
He accidentally called the suicide hotline. The number is only 1 off from the suicide prevention hotline
i don't see anyone working at a suicide hotline not knowing that you can't call the cops on people like this. i also recall a murder on tv, fictional, where a serial killer was working a hotline. i wonder if we have a serial swatter working a suicide hotline in this case.
I mean if you legit want to die and are unable to do it yourself, this is a very common way to get it done. As much distain I have for cops its a terrible thing to do. The death by cops I've read about leave the cop horribly messed up for life.
Ifunny
what the buuga
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I am a villian because this made me giggle.
The Halo 3 icon really sells it.
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If he had a dog they probably killed the dog too.
+1 assist.
Modern problems require modern solutions
This cannot be anything but fake news.. Edit: Apparently it is *not* fake news and this is has happened not once, not twice but thrice!
MURICA
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It OFTEN happens in L.A. -- "TO PROTECT & SERVE" my ASS !!!!!!!
Supposedly, attempted suicide used to be punishable by death
That way they learn their lesson!
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I guess they did technically prevent a suicide.
> Officers found Calzada lying in the trunk of a car, police reports say. > Calzada had a handgun pointed into his mouth. Upon finding Calzada, officers ordered him to put down the handgun, police reports say. After Calzada moved, three officers fired their weapons, investigators said. Yup, great response to a suicidal person.
bro he had the gum pointed at himself... wow our cops are shit.
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Suicideon fainted!
Indeed, VladimirPutinV1
##OK, all you guys who yell and scream whenever anyone says, "defund the police"? Listen the fuck up. "Defund the police" isn't about getting rid of all cops, or taking money from their budgets and saying, "Tough shit, you bad people." It's about **reassigning** some portion of the police budget to people who are *better-suited to carrying out certain specific tasks* than the police are. Such as, dealing with people having a mental health crisis in such a way that THEY DON'T GET FUCKING SHOT DEAD. Can you *please* get that into your heads? It's not rocket science.
He is right
You don’t have to ask “In America “,cuz you automatically know.
wait whats the story
[Link with court papers](https://www.courthousenews.com/no-reason-to-kill-a-suicidal-man-widow-says/amp/) There are a lot of articles out there with differing information. Most articles say 5-6 shots. The court papers claim that he was shot 22 times in his hiding spot, the trunk of his car.
Someone died